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Paleolithic Diets

Paleolithic Diets

In this episode, we go back in time to look at the diet of Paleolithic man and discover what there is to recommend in today’s Paleo fad diets.

This episode features audio from The Problem With the Paleo Diet Argument, Paleo Diet Studies Show Benefits, and Paleolithic Lessons

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Hello and welcome to Nutrition Facts – the podcast that brings you the latest in evidence-based nutrition research.  I’m your host, Dr. Michael Greger.

I know that facts have been in the news a lot lately, both real and fake.  The concept of alternative facts is nothing new in the field of nutrition though, where powerful commercial interests have tried to not only keep people in the dark, but actively try to confuse them.  That’s why I stick to the science:  What’s the best available balance of evidence published in the peer-reviewed medical journals right now?    That’s why I wrote my New York Times best-selling book, “How Not to Die”, why I created my nonprofit site NutritionFacts.org and, now, this podcast.

Today, we go back in time–way back in time, to the Paleolithic.  The Paleolithic period represents just the last 2 million years of human evolution, though. What did our bodies evolve to eat during the first 90% of our time on earth before that?

Our epidemics of dietary disease have prompted a great deal of research into what humans are meant to eat for optimal health. In 1985, an influential article was published proposing that our chronic diseases stem from a disconnect between what our bodies evolved eating during the Stone Age, during the last 2 million years, and what we’re stuffing our face with today, advocating for a return towards a hunter-gatherer type diet of lean meat, fruits, vegetables, and nuts.

Though it may be reasonable to assume our nutritional requirements were established in the prehistoric past, the question of which prehistoric past remains.  Why just the last 2 million?  We’ve been evolving for 25 million years since our common great ape ancestor, during which our nutrient requirements and digestive physiology were set down, and therefore probably little affected by our hunter-gatherer days at the tail end.  So, what were we eating for the first 90% of our evolution?  What the rest of the great apes ended up eating 95-plus percent plants.

This may explain why we’re so susceptible to heart disease.  For most of human evolution, cholesterol may have been virtually absent from the diet.  No bacon, butter, trans fats, and massive amounts of fiber, which pulls cholesterol from the body.  Now, this could have been a problem since, you know, our body needs a certain amount of cholesterol.  So, our bodies didn’t just evolve to make cholesterol, but preserve it, recycle it.  Our bodies evolved to hold onto cholesterol.  So, if you think of the human body as a cholesterol-conserving machine and plop it into the modern world of bacon, eggs, cheese, chicken, pork, and pastry, well then, no wonder artery-clogging heart disease is our #1 cause of death.  What used to be so adaptive for 90% of our evolution–holding on to cholesterol at all costs since we aren’t getting much in our diet–is today maladaptive, a liability leading to the clogging of our arteries.  It seems our bodies just can’t handle it.

As the editor-in-chief of the American Journal of Cardiology noted 25 years ago, no matter how much fat and cholesterol carnivores eat, they do not develop atherosclerosis.  You can feed a dog 500 eggs’ worth of cholesterol and a stick of butter and they just wag their tail.   Their bodies evolved from wolves, are used to getting, eating, and getting rid of excess cholesterol, whereas within months, a fraction of that cholesterol can start clogging the arteries of animals adapted to eating a more plant-based diet.

Even if our bodies were designed through natural selection to eat mostly fruit, greens and seeds for 90% of our evolution, why didn’t we better adapt to meat-eating in the last 10%, during the Paleolithic?  We’ve had nearly 2 million years to get used to all that extra saturated fat and cholesterol.  If a lifetime of eating like that clogs up nearly everyone’s arteries, why didn’t the genes of those that got heart attacks die off and get replaced by those that could live to a ripe old age with clean arteries, regardless what they ate?  Because most didn’t survive into old age.  They didn’t live long enough to get heart attacks.  When the average life expectancy is 25, then the genes that get passed on are those that can just get us to reproductive age by any means necessary, and that means not dying of starvation.  So the higher the calorie foods, the better.  So eating lots of bone marrow and brains, human or otherwise, would be a selective advantage, as would discovering a time machine stash of Twinkies for that matter.  If we just have to live long enough to get our kids to puberty to pass along our genes, then we don’t have to evolve any protections against the ravages of chronic disease.

To find a population nearly free of chronic disease in old age, we don’t have to go back a million years.  In the 20th century, networks of missionary hospitals in rural Africa found coronary artery disease virtually absent–and not just heart disease, but high blood pressure, stroke, diabetes, common cancers, and on down the list.

In a sense, these populations in rural China and Africa were eating the type of diet we’ve been eating for 90% of our last, you know, 20 or so million years–a diet almost exclusively of plant foods.  

How do we know it was their diet that protected them and not something else?  Well, in the 25-year update to their original Paleo paper, they tried to clarify that they did not then, and do not now, propose that people adopt a particular diet just based on what our ancient ancestors ate.  You know, dietary recommendations must be put to the test.  That’s why the pioneering research of Pritikin, Ornish, and Esselstyn is so important, showing that plant-based diets can not only stop heart disease, but have been proven to reverse it in the majority of patients.  Indeed, it’s the only diet that ever has–perhaps because that’s what we ate throughout the vast majority of our evolution.

What happens when Paleolithic-type diets are put to the test?  Let’s find out.

There have been about a half-dozen studies published on Paleo-type diets, starting around 20 years ago.  In what sounds like a reality TV show, 10 diabetic Australian aborigines were dropped off in a remote location to fend for themselves, hunting and gathering foods like figs and crocodiles.

In my video on wild game, I showed that kangaroo meat causes a significantly smaller spike in inflammation, compared to retail meat.  Of course, ideally, we’d eat anti-inflammatory foods, but wild game was significantly better—so low in fat, you can design a game-based diet with under 7% of calories from fat.  Skinless chicken breast has 14 times more fat than kangaroo meat.  So, you can eat curried kangaroo with your cantaloupe, and drop your cholesterol almost as much as eating vegetarian.

So, how did they do?  Well, nearly anything would have been preferable to the diet they were eating before—evidently centered around refined carbs, soda, beer, milk, and cheap fatty meat.  But, they did pretty good; significantly better blood sugar response, thanks to a ton of weight loss.  But it’s because they were starving.  They evidently couldn’t catch enough kangaroos and, so, even if they were running around in the desert for seven weeks on 1,200 calories of their original junky diet, they may have done just as well, but we’ll never know, because there was no control group.

Same problem with some of the other Paleo studies: short, small, no control group; but, favorable results were reported.  No surprise, given they cut their saturated fat intake in half–presumably because they cut out so much cheese, sausage, or ice cream.  Same with this one:  Nine people go Paleo for ten days.  They cut their saturated fat and salt intake in half, and their cholesterol and blood pressure drops, as one might expect.

The longest Paleo study was only 3 months, until this one, 15 months–but, done on pigs.  It was a Paleo pig study, but the pigs did better, because they gained less weight on the Paleo diet.  Why?  Because they fed the Paleo group 20% fewer calories.  The improvement in insulin sensitivity in pigs, though, was not reproduced in people, though there were benefits, such as improved glucose tolerance, thanks to these dietary changes.  The Paleo group ate less dairy, cereals, oil, and margarine, and more fruit and nuts, with no significant change in meat consumption.

A follow-up study also failed to find improved glucose tolerance over control, but did show other risk factor benefits—and no wonder.  Any diet cutting out dairy and doughnuts, oil, sugar, candy, soda, beer, and salt is likely to make people healthier and feel better.  Compare these representations of a day’s worth of food on a Paleo diet, versus the standard American diet.  Although it looks like there’s a tomato peeking out behind the Frosted Cheerios, the Paleo diet has lots of foods that actually grew out of the ground.  So, this kind of Paleo diet would be way better.

Won’t it hurt people to tell them to stop eating beans, though?  Hardly anyone eats beans.  More than 96% of Americans don’t even reach the measly minimum recommended amount—only like 1 in 200 middle-aged American women.  So, telling people to stop isn’t going to change their diet very much.

I’m all for condemning the standard American diet’s refined carbs, “nonhuman mammalian milk,” and junk foods, but proscribing legumes is a mistake.  As I’ve noted before, beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils may be the most important dietary predictor of survival.  Beans and whole grains are the dietary cornerstones of the longest living populations on earth.  Plant-based diets, in general, and legumes in particular, are a common thread among longevity Blue Zones around the world.

The bottom line may be that reaching for a serving of kangaroo may be better than a cheese Danish, but foraging for an apple might prove to be the most therapeutic of all.

Here’s an evolutionary argument for a plant-based diet in contrast to Paleo fad diets. 

A review published recently makes an evolutionary argument for a plant-based diet, given the fact that we apparently evolved eating huge amounts of whole plant foods.  Two hundred thousand years ago, it’s estimated that we consumed 600 mg of vitamin C a day.  That’s the amount of vitamin C found in ten oranges, the amount of vitamin E found in two cups of nuts, the amount of calcium found in five cups of collard greens and they weren’t milking mammoths or anything.  That all came from their wild greens.  A hundred plus grams of fiber; now, we’re lucky if we get 20 a day.  In fact, we were exposed to such a quantity of healthy, whole plant foods, we as a species lost our ability to make vitamin C.  We still actually have the vitamin C synthesis gene in our DNA, but our bodies just junked it because, why bother?  Why waste the energy?  We were getting massive doses all day long, every day.

The problem is, now what happens when you take our evolutionary heritage, finely tuned over the millennia, and plop it down into meat-and-potato-chip country?

Advocates of the so-called Paleo diet are certainly right in railing against refined and processed junk, but may just use it as an excuse to eat just loads of meat that bears little resemblance to the flesh of prehistoric wild animals.

Just on the contaminant issue alone, recently in the Journal of the American Meat Science Association, a review was published cataloging the laundry list: arsenic, mercury, lead, cadmium, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, preservatives, veterinary drugs, like the antibiotic residues.  Given what’s now in fish, for example, it would be impossible to follow the Paleolithic diet while avoiding the risks associated with consuming mercury in amounts in excess of the suggested EPA threshold.

The Paleo diet patients I saw in my practice weren’t consisting on weeds and eating 100 grams of fiber a day.  They were eating burgers, not bugs.  Based in part on our evolutionary history, sufficient scientific evidence exists for public health policy to promote a plant-rich diet for health promotion.

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  1. Hi there Dr. Greger,

    Did some cultures who migrated away from the equator and started eating meat because plants were too scarce end up creating a resistance to cancer through eating meat?

    Cheers!

    1. I doubt. However, there’s probably a reasonable argument to explain why Caucasians like Whites, Persians, Arabs, etc. and Mongolian Asians like Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc. have larger brains and higher IQs than some other groups is indeed due to Natural selection in the harsh environment.
      A couple of good resources aside from Eugenics.net and GaltonInstitute.org.uk is the book MAN BETWEEN PAST AND FUTURE as Well as VDARE.COM and AMREN.com.
      It’s important to not that Euthenics and Eugenics matter. Keep in mind that some of the healthiest people are near vegetarian Mesoamerican tribesmen and Tribeswomen along the Amazon. Living in a Natural Environment as these folks do and eating primarily whole plant foods and exercising 7 hours a day feed the brain and the body.

      1. IQ is a very culturally biased metric. For example, one of the subscales on the Weschler Adult Intelligence Scale is vocabulary, which can be clearly influenced by one’s environment. Whilst there may be an argument that certain groups of people were evolutionarily selected for certain features, using IQ as a broad brush construct doesn’t apply to your argument.
        Furthermore, larger brains do not equate to higher IQ scores.
        This is a website based on scientific fact, please stick to the facts.

    2. Dr. Gregor, I am a physician that sees 5 to 15 patients a day. They are all infected with HIV-1. I talk to each patient about eating whole plant-based foods and I give each of them one the the Nutritionfacts.org business cards. Although they are all Americans and speak English (there are exceptions), it’s as though l am speaking a different language! What else can I do???

      1. I think that many people get motivated by some of the documentaries, like Forks Over Knives and What The Health, both of which Dr. Gregor was featured in I believe.

        1. I work with highly educated and experienced scientific professionals. Most eat meat at nearly every meal and many look upon the very few of us who shun meat as pityible. Many are so culturally bound to traditional diets and since they can expect to live into their 80’s, don’t see the benefit of having a less satisfying and enticing meal. The culling of those from cancer, chronic disease, or early death are seen as normal and were they to suffer such a personal calamity, only then would they consider radical change. That this mindset remains consistent across disparate cultural, educational, political, and financial groups is evidence that progress to enlighten our society is not progessing as fast as needed.

          1. We are extremely habitual animals and do the same foods over and over again. Men especially are taught by society
            and other men that real men eat meat. Thoughts of testosterone, virility, masculinity, strength, stamina (and even
            erections) come to mind. Through history vegetables were seen as (weak) what girls ate, and men did not want to feminize
            themselves. In addition the poor were relegated to (poor quality) vegetables, plus milk, cheese and bread a few
            centuries ago while the obese rich and elite ate multiple meats at every meal. Guess what, envy happened and the
            status symbol of wealth/power=meat eating was obvious. Today china and other countries are becoming wealthier
            and their citizens are increasing their meat consumption (and their diseases). When the documentary GAME CHANGERS comes out
            have them watch it. Tell them that animal saturated fats are not good for arteries in the heart or penis. namaste’, rachel

  2. I love the idea of a plant based diet, but getting enough of certain B vitamins can become an issue without supplements. So in todays age, how would one guarantee they get enough of all the B vitamins on a plant based diet?

    1. I should like to suggest, in consideration of deficiency mentality, that one ask themselves “am I effectively absorbing what I am taking in to begin with”? There are four principles to consider concerning what we are eating: digestion, assimilation, utilization, and elimination. If the body is effective at ALL four, then deficiencies are PRACTICALLY eliminated… a plant-based diet is optimal for reaching and maintaining a balance of these, of course. However, inside the plant-based dietary regimen lie even more ideal choices. Reducing/excluding certain plant food choices, such as beans, seeds, and nuts which contain high phytic acid levels, is one suggestion.

  3. Legumes for longevity! What is it about beans that may keep us living longer? Is it the spermidine, often called “the longevity elixir” because it induces autophagy, a cellular housekeeping process that gets rid of bad cells? And/or the protease inhibitors, which once were thought to harm us but recently have been found to have all sorts of health-promoting effects? And/or the protein quality (generally low in methionine and high in glycine), the phytic acidand/or all that fermentable soluble fiber?

    How about let’s each post our favorite legume recipe to help each other out?

  4. I get the B-12 argument frequently. I wonder who else faces this easily refuted but still compelling argument about the need to consume meat. The simple answer is that prehistoric and even recent cultures drink water from steams and water sources which are slightly contaminated with animal waste – which is where the water-soluable vitamin cobalamin (aka B-12) is found. That plus they didn’t wash their hands compulsively!

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