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What About Vitamin Supplements?

Can we get all our vitamins naturally? Today we take a look at the necessity of vitamin supplements.

This episode features audio from The Best Way to Get Vitamin D: Sun, Supplements, or Salons?Is Vitamin D3 Better Than D2?, and Vitamin C Supplements for Terminal Cancer Patients

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Hello and welcome to Nutrition Facts – the podcast that brings you the latest in evidence-based nutrition research.  I’m your host, Dr. Michael Greger.

I know that facts have been in the news a lot lately, both real and fake.  The concept of alternative facts is nothing new in the field of nutrition, though, where powerful commercial interests have tried to not only keep people in the dark, but actively try to confuse them.  That’s why I stick to the science:  What’s the best available balance of evidence published in the peer-reviewed medical journals right now?  That’s why I wrote my New York Times best-selling book, “How Not to Die”, why I created my nonprofit site NutritionFacts.org and, now, this podcast.

Today, we take a close look at vitamin supplements and first up is vitamin D.  If one is going to make an evolutionary argument for what a natural vitamin D level might be, how about getting vitamin D in the way nature intended, sun instead of supplements?  Here’s my answer.

Though supplements may only cost about ten bucks a year, sunlight is free.  You never have to worry about getting too much vitamin D from sunlight, since your body has a way to regulate production in the skin; so, we don’t have to put our trust in poorly regulated supplement companies to not mislabel their products.  Only about half the brands came within 10% of their labeled amount.

And, sunlight may have benefits beyond vitamin D, like the amazing story about how your body may use the sun’s near-infrared rays that penetrate your skin to activate chlorophyll by-products in your bloodstream to make CoQ10.  Well, there’s another way your body appears to use the sun’s rays to maximize the effects of the greens we eat.  Within 30 minutes of exposure to the ultraviolet rays in sunlight, you can get a significant drop in blood pressure and improvement in artery function, thanks to a burst of nitric oxide-releasing compounds that flow into your bloodstream.  You can even measure the nitric oxide gas, gassing straight off of your skin.  Of course, you actually have to eat greens or beets in the first place for this to happen, but that combo of greens and sunlight may help explain some of the protection that plant-based eaters experience.

Morning sun exposure may help those with seasonal affective disorder, as well as improve the mood of wheelchair-bound nursing home residents.  I’ve talked about the benefits of avoiding light at night, but underexposure to daytime sunlight may also affect our melatonin levels, which doesn’t just regulate our circadian rhythms, but may also be helpful in the prevention of cancer and other diseases.  Older men and women getting two hours of outside light during the day appear to secrete 13% more melatonin at night, though we’re not sure what, if any, clinical significance this has.

The downsides of sun exposure include increased risk of cataracts, a leading cause of vision loss, though this risk can be minimized by wearing a brimmed hat and sunglasses.  Sunlight also ages your skin, as illustrated here.  Who can guess what profession this guy was in?  He was a truck driver who spent his decades getting more sun on the left side of his face—even through a window.  You can see what sun can do.

The effects of sunlight on the skin are profound, accounting for up to 90% of visible skin aging, wrinkles, thickening, loss of elasticity.  Things like sun exposure and smoking can make you look 11 years older.  Cosmetic surgery can make you look eight years younger, but a healthy lifestyle may work even better.

The reason doctors preach sun protection, though, is not for youthful facial looks, but because of skin cancer.  Medical authorities from the World Health Organization, the American Cancer Society, and the Surgeon General warn about excess sun exposure and for good reason, given the millions of skin cancers and thousands of deaths diagnosed every year in the U.S. alone.

The UV rays in sunlight are considered a so-called complete carcinogen, meaning they can not only initiate cancer, but promote its progression and spread.  Melanoma is the scariest, which makes the rising incidence among young women particularly alarming.  This increase has been blamed on the increased usage of tanning salons.  Tanning beds, and UV rays in general, are considered class 1 carcinogens, like processed meat, accounting for as many as three-quarters of melanoma cases among young people; six times the risk of melanoma for those who visited the tanning salons ten or more times before the age of 30.

The tanning industry is big business, bringing in billions.  There may be more tanning salons than there are Starbucks and they use those dollars like the tobacco industry, to downplay the risks of their products.  Now, laws are being passed to regulate tanning salons, including complete prohibitions, like in the country of Brazil, to age restrictions for minors.

But unlike tobacco, right, tanning isn’t addictive—or is it?  There are people who tan compulsively and report a so-called tanner’s high.  Describing tanning behavior like a substance abuse disorder seems, on the face of it a little silly—until you stick people in a brain scanner, and can show the same kind of reward pathways light up in the brain, thanks to endorphins released by your skin when you’re exposed to UV rays, such that you can even induce withdrawal-like symptoms giving tanners opiate-blocking drugs.  So, potentially addictive, but dangerous.  Harvard researchers suggesting we should view recreational tanning and heroin abuse as engaging in the same biological pathways.

But there’s a reason sun exposure feels good.  That’s a good thing evolutionarily, because sunlight is the primary natural source of vitamin D.  So, throughout evolution, right, it’s more important, in terms of passing along your genes, to not die of rickets in childhood; forget skin cancer in your old age.  

Unlike natural sunlight, tanning bed lights emit mostly UVA, which is the worst of both worlds–cancer risk with little or no vitamin D production–but the small amount of UVB many do emit may be enough to raise vitamin D levels.  If only there was a way to raise vitamin D levels without risking cancer; there is, vitamin D supplements.

Did you know that vitamin D3, sourced from sunlight exposure, animal, and plant sources may be preferable to vitamin D2 sourced from fungi.  Here’s the research.

Years ago, it was shown that vitamin D isn’t just the sunshine vitamin for us, but for mushrooms, as well.  You take some shiitakes, for example, put them under a sun lamp for an hour, and they make vitamin D, just like we do lounging at the pool.

Now, most mushrooms you buy at the store don’t have any vitamin D because they’re grown in the dark.  But, there are now sun-bathed varieties on the market that boost significant levels—even now available in sprinkle form.  Some mushrooms grown outside in the wild may have some as well but, only about 12% of one’s recommended daily allowance per cup.

Is the vitamin D in mushrooms bioavailable, though?  In 2008, there was a case report of a dark-skinned individual living in England in the winter, who, like the other nine out of ten South Asians living in the UK, was vitamin D-deficient.  His physician prescribed a vitamin D supplement; however, after doing his own research, the patient decided to self-treat.  He bought a UV bulb from a local hardware store and proceeded to shine this directly onto two cups of regular mushrooms a day, before stir-frying and consuming them.  He repeated this on a daily basis for 3 months and, indeed, his vitamin D levels shot up and he was cured.  So, it’s reasonable to assume that such mushrooms may be able to provide a source of vitamin D for those at risk for deficiency.  This was only one person, though, so further studies are necessary and, finally, those studies have been done.  

Bioavailability of Vitamin D from Ultraviolet Light-irradiated Button Mushrooms in Healthy Adults Deficient in Vitamin D, a randomized controlled trial.  They compared the mushrooms to vitamin D supplements, to placebo, and both the mushrooms and the supplements were equally effective in raising D levels compared to placebo.

The type of vitamin D made by mushrooms, though, is vitamin D2, which is typically derived from yeast, and is the form traditionally prescribed by doctors to cure vitamin D deficiency.  Most supplements, though, are D3, which is the type found in plants and animals, and typically derived from sheep’s wool.

Back in 2008, it was established that vitamin D2 was effective as D3 in maintaining one’s vitamin D levels at standard daily doses.  Whether folks were given D2, D3, or a combination of half D2/half D3, it didn’t seem to matter much, in terms of improving vitamin D levels in their bloodstreams but that was five years ago.  What’s the update?  Is vitamin D2 better than vitamin D3?  It apparently depends on how much you take, and what your starting levels are.  Taken daily, in doses up to 4,000 units a day, there appears to be no significant difference in the ability of D2 or D3 to raise vitamin D levels.  But, if you take megadoses on a weekly or monthly basis, in doses up to 50,000 units at a time, D3 works better than D2 and, if you’re not vitamin D deficient; if your vitamin D levels are normal, for example, you live in California, get enough sun, then D2 from mushrooms or supplements doesn’t appear to raise your levels further.

But, if your levels are fine, why take supplements in the first place?  The only reason we care about the levels in our blood is because of the benefits we expect to get from those levels, such as a longer lifespan.  The latest Cochrane review on vitamin D and mortality found that while D3 supplementation may be able to reduce mortality, other forms of D (including D2) did not.  This may be because most of the D2 trials used megadosing regimens, up to 300,000 units injected into people.  But, you know, until we have good data suggesting D2 supplementation can actually extend one’s life, D3 (the type of vitamin D found in animals and plants) may be preferable to vitamin D2, the vitamin derived from fungi.

The best animal to get D3 from is yourself.  But, if you live at a latitude where you’re not able to make enough, then there are both animal and non-animal sources of vitamin D3 supplements.

Studies from the ‘70s showed that cancer patients treated with vitamin C lived four times longer and sometimes 20 times longer.  So why isn’t vitamin C recommended more often today?  Here are some answers.

Vitamin C is no stranger to controversy, as evidenced by the fact that it took 40 years between when citrus fruits were shown to cure scurvy in the 1700’s and the widespread implementation of this practice to save lives.  Is it possible we’re in the midst of a similar 40-year lag with research in the mid-70’s purporting to show that terminal cancer patients treated with vitamin C lived four times longer and sometimes 20 times longer?  

Researchers at the venerable Mayo Clinic decided to put it to the test and they failed to show any benefit.  The survival curves for both groups of patients were essentially identical.  In fact, the one success story, a guy with end-stage pancreatic cancer who had shown no response to any previous attempts at chemo, but started improving and was still alive five years later, was one of the patients who got the sugar pill placebos.  It was official; vitamin C didn’t work.  The apparently positive results reported previously, read the accompanying National Cancer Institute editorial, almost certainly resulted from systematic bias in terms of which historic controls were chosen to compare with the treatment group.

Linus Pauling disagreed, arguing that the prior chemotherapy in nearly all the Mayo Clinic study patients may have negated the effect of the vitamin C.  If the vitamin C works by boosting your immune system and your immune system is first destroyed by chemo, the thinking goes, well, no wonder it didn’t work.  

In the original vitamin C study, only 4 out of the 100 patients had ever received chemo.  The Mayo Clinic researchers were skeptical, but Pauling had a legendary reputation in science for being right about all sorts of things.  So, one might do worse perhaps than rely, at least partly, on Pauling’s awesome intuition and, so, a second, randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled study was performed on patients with advanced cancer, but this time who had no prior chemotherapy and, again, it was a spectacular failure.  No measureable response, the cancer in the vitamin C group progressed just as rapidly, and the patients on the placebo sugar pills lived just as long.  In fact, if anything, the sugar pill group lived longer.  At two years, everyone in the vitamin C group was dead, but there were still a few survivors in the placebo group that made it out at least past three and, so, they concluded:  High-dose vitamin C therapy is not effective against advanced cancer, regardless of whether the patient has had prior chemotherapy or not.

Because the Mayo Clinics were taken as definitive, the medical community concluded that vitamin C was useless; however, in the Mayo Clinic studies, they gave the vitamin C orally in supplements, not intravenously, through the vein.  In retrospect, the route of administration may have been key.

In the original study, they started out infusing 10 grams of vitamin C a day intravenously, where in both the Mayo studies designed to replicate the protocol, they just gave people vitamin C supplements to take orally, just sent them home to swallow 20 capsules a day, same dose, but 10 grams given orally is not the same thing as 10 grams given IV, but they could be excused because this wasn’t discovered until decades later.

It turns out vitamin C concentrations in our bloodstream is tightly controlled, such that if you try to swallow more than you’d get like eating five servings of fruits and veggies, your body cuts down on the absorption in the intestine.  For example, if you go from eating 200 mg a day to eating 10 times more, 2,500 mg, the level in your bloodstream only goes up 3 mg per liter (or quart of blood).  In contrast, because intravenous injection bypasses the intestinal absorption system, it can result in super high blood concentrations, as in like one or two hundred times the level in the bloodstream you can achieve just taking vitamin C orally no matter how much you take.  So, maybe that explains why the original studies seemed so promising but the follow-up studies were so disappointing

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5 responses to “What About Vitamin Supplements?

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  1. My Multiple Sclerosis definitely improved when I changed my diet to super low fat vegan. This video gives me a second reason. Low fat combined with low salt. No wonder I got good results.




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  2. I have a question rather than a comment.

    I apologise if I use wrong terminology, however I hope I manage to explain my gran’s problems. In Poland, she was diagnosed with redness/flushed gastric mucosa in pylorus antrum. It was worse and worse and currently she looks like bare bones with skin. She is unable to eat anything as everything results in pains and not being able to sleep. She has seen different doctors over the years and nobody is able to advise what she could or should not eat. For what it seems to be a simple question to people within this field of study, all doctors answer that she should try and test various foods rather than advising her on particular acids she should avid or whether she should avoid fiber or certain fats to avoid irritation etc. I am reaching for a wider help, whether someone is able to advise on anything she should be avoiding or focusing on eating? I would be truly grateful for any help or any kind into where I could research such things, or whom I could contact for a consultation or advise.

    Regards,
    Marietta




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    1. I would ask for Dr John McDougall’s advice.  His office email is  office@DrMcDougall.comHe will help you with a plan to find the right foods to eat so you can find out which ones are a problem.   You may be able to find his elimination diet at his large website.  DrMcDougall.com  All of the information there is free.   Good luck with a difficult problem to live with.  I am confident that DrMcDougall can help without costing you much at all.  He is a humanitarian and quite generous with his knowledge.  




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  3. Dr. Greger, you went through this long interesting story about vitamin C and cancer treatment; which was proven NOT to help with cancer survival, but at the end of the podcast you said the studies were done using oral vitamin C, not intravenous. But you FAILED to say whether or not the studies show benefit for using intravenous vitamin C???




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