What we eat determines what kind of bacteria we foster the growth of in our gut, which can increase or decrease our risk of some of our leading killer diseases.
Flashback Friday: How to Develop a Healthy Gut Ecosystem
Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.
As I’ve explored before, whether you’re young or old, male or female, smoker or non-, high blood pressure, low blood pressure, high cholesterol or low, having high levels of a toxic compound called TMAO—trimethylamine oxide—in your bloodstream is associated with a significantly higher risk of having a heart attack, stroke, or dying over a three-year period. Where does TMAO come from? The choline in foods, like eggs, can be turned by gut bacteria into TMAO, which is then absorbed back into our system. And, the more eggs we eat, the higher the levels climb.
“Given the similarity in structure between…carnitine and choline,” the same group of Cleveland Clinic researchers wondered if carnitine found in red meat, energy drinks, and supplements might also lead to TMAO production. So, they put it to the test. If you feed someone a steak, their TMAO levels shoot up. Now, this was someone who regularly ate meat. Those who eat strictly plant-based may start out with almost no TMAO in their system, presumably because they’re not eating any meat, eggs, or dairy. But, even if the vegan eats a sirloin, almost no TMAO is made. Why? Presumably, they don’t have steak-eating bacteria in their guts. No TMAO is produced if you don’t have TMAO-producing bacteria in your gut. If you don’t regularly eat meat, then you’re not fostering the growth of the meat-eating microbes that produce TMAO.
This suggests that “once we develop a plant-based [gut ecosystem], our bacteria will not [produce] TMAO,” even if we eat meat every once in a while. However, we still don’t know how rapidly gut bacteria shift after a shift in our diet. But, it does not appear to be all or nothing.
If you take men eating the Standard American Diet, and have them eat two sausage, egg, and cheese biscuits, before and after just five days of eating lots of high-fat meals like that, you can boost TMAO production even higher. So, it’s not just, do you have the bad bugs or not? You can apparently breed more of them, the more you feed them.
On the other hand, meat-free diets “have been demonstrated to have a profound influence on human metabolism.” You can analyze a urine sample, and tell what kind of diet people eat, based on measurements like how low the TMAO levels are in the urine of those eating egg-free vegetarian diets. You can even take the same people, and rotate them through three different diets, and you can tell who is who; who is on a high-meat, low-meat, or no-meat diet—in part, based on the different compounds churned out by the different gut flora, or different flora activity, after just about two weeks on the different diets. It’s possible that some of the beneficial effects of whole plant foods may be mediated by the effects they have on our gut bacteria. At the same time, the Standard American Diet may increase the relative abundance of undesirables that produce toxic compounds, including the cardiotoxicant TMAO.
Strictly plant-based diets “have gained acceptance as a dietary strategy” for preventing and managing disease. Perhaps, in part, because of their rather unique gut flora, less of the disease-causing bacteria, and more of the protective species. So, all along, we thought the reason those eating plant-based had lower heart disease rates was because they were eating less saturated fat and cholesterol. But, maybe, their lower TMAO levels may also be contributing to their benefits—thanks to their reduction of ingestion of carnitine and choline.
I talked about the egg industry response to the choline revelation. How has the carnitine supplement industry reacted? Well, the former VP of Advocare, a multilevel marketing company that sells carnitine supplements, like “Slam,” while getting slammed with lawsuits, finding them, for example, guilty of “false, misleading, or deceptive…practices,” forced to pay over a million dollars in response to the research implicating carnitine in TMAO production, he questioned whether there was a secret vegan conspiracy at the Cleveland Clinic. Restricting our intake of meat or carnitine supplements to prevent our gut bacteria from making TMAO, he argues, is like trying to prevent car accidents by restricting “the sale of fuel.”
Uh, okay, but there are benefits to transportation. We’re talking about TMAO, which may be fueling our epidemic of heart disease, the #1 killer of men and women in this country. As far as I’m concerned, the more we can cut the fuel for that, the better.
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- Tuohy KM, Fava F, Viola R. 'The way to a man's heart is through his gut microbiota'--dietary pro- and prebiotics for the management of cardiovascular risk. Proc Nutr Soc. 2014 May;73(2):172-85.
- Boutagy NE, Neilson AP, Osterberg KL, Smithson AT, Englund TR, Davy BM, Hulver MW, Davy KP. Short-term high-fat diet increases postprandial trimethylamine-N-oxide in humans. Nutr Res. 2015 Oct;35(10):858-64.
- Ferguson JF. Meat-loving microbes: do steak-eating bacteria promote atherosclerosis? Circ Cardiovasc Genet. 2013 Jun;6(3):308-9.
- Miller MJ. Risk factors for cardiovascular disease: a cautionary tale of diet-microbiome interactions. J Am Coll Nutr. 2013;32(2):75-8.
- Brown JM, Hazen SL. Eggs as a dietary source for gut microbial production of trimethylamine-N-oxide. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Sep;100(3):741-3.
- Miller CA, Corbin KD, da Costa KA, Zhang S, Zhao X, Galanko JA, Blevins T, Bennett BJ, O'Connor A, Zeisel SH. Effect of egg ingestion on trimethylamine-N-oxide production in humans: a randomized, controlled, dose-response study. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Sep;100(3):778-86.
- Xu J, Yang S, Cai S, Dong J, Li X, Chen Z. Identification of biochemical changes in lactovegetarian urine using 1H NMR spectroscopy and pattern recognition. Anal Bioanal Chem. 2010 Feb;396(4):1451-63.
- Bäckhed F. Meat-metabolizing bacteria in atherosclerosis. Nat Med. 2013 May;19(5):533-4.
- Glick-Bauer M, Yeh MC. The health advantage of a vegan diet: exploring the gut microbiota connection. Nutrients. 2014 Oct 31;6(11):4822-38.
- Tuso P, Stoll SR, Li WW. A plant-based diet, atherogenesis, and coronary artery disease prevention. Perm J. 2015 Winter;19(1):62-7.
- Stella C, Beckwith-Hall B, Cloarec O, Holmes E, Lindon JC, Powell J, van der Ouderaa F, Bingham S, Cross AJ, Nicholson JK. Susceptibility of human metabolic phenotypes to dietary modulation. J Proteome Res. 2006 Oct;5(10):2780-8.
- Tang WH, Wang Z, Levison BS, Koeth RA, Britt EB, Fu X, Wu Y, Hazen SL. Intestinal microbial metabolism of phosphatidylcholine and cardiovascular risk. N Engl J Med. 2013 Apr 25;368(17):1575-84.
- Tang WH, Wang Z, Levison BS, Koeth RA, Britt EB, Fu X, Wu Y, Hazen SL. Supplementary Appendix. Intestinal microbial metabolism of phosphatidylcholine and cardiovascular risk. N Engl J Med. 2013 Apr 25;368(17):1575-84.
- Koeth RA, Wang Z, Levison BS, Buffa JA, Org E, Sheehy BT, Britt EB, Fu X, Wu Y, Li L, Smith JD, DiDonato JA, Chen J, Li H, Wu GD, Lewis JD, Warrier M, Brown JM, Krauss RM, Tang WH, Bushman FD, Lusis AJ, Hazen SL. Supplemental materials for: Intestinal microbiota metabolism of L-carnitine, a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis. Nat Med. 2013 May;19(5):576-85.
- AdvoCare Slam® Liquid Vitamin and Amino Acid Supplement.
Image credit: MelSi via pixabay. Image has been modified.
Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.
As I’ve explored before, whether you’re young or old, male or female, smoker or non-, high blood pressure, low blood pressure, high cholesterol or low, having high levels of a toxic compound called TMAO—trimethylamine oxide—in your bloodstream is associated with a significantly higher risk of having a heart attack, stroke, or dying over a three-year period. Where does TMAO come from? The choline in foods, like eggs, can be turned by gut bacteria into TMAO, which is then absorbed back into our system. And, the more eggs we eat, the higher the levels climb.
“Given the similarity in structure between…carnitine and choline,” the same group of Cleveland Clinic researchers wondered if carnitine found in red meat, energy drinks, and supplements might also lead to TMAO production. So, they put it to the test. If you feed someone a steak, their TMAO levels shoot up. Now, this was someone who regularly ate meat. Those who eat strictly plant-based may start out with almost no TMAO in their system, presumably because they’re not eating any meat, eggs, or dairy. But, even if the vegan eats a sirloin, almost no TMAO is made. Why? Presumably, they don’t have steak-eating bacteria in their guts. No TMAO is produced if you don’t have TMAO-producing bacteria in your gut. If you don’t regularly eat meat, then you’re not fostering the growth of the meat-eating microbes that produce TMAO.
This suggests that “once we develop a plant-based [gut ecosystem], our bacteria will not [produce] TMAO,” even if we eat meat every once in a while. However, we still don’t know how rapidly gut bacteria shift after a shift in our diet. But, it does not appear to be all or nothing.
If you take men eating the Standard American Diet, and have them eat two sausage, egg, and cheese biscuits, before and after just five days of eating lots of high-fat meals like that, you can boost TMAO production even higher. So, it’s not just, do you have the bad bugs or not? You can apparently breed more of them, the more you feed them.
On the other hand, meat-free diets “have been demonstrated to have a profound influence on human metabolism.” You can analyze a urine sample, and tell what kind of diet people eat, based on measurements like how low the TMAO levels are in the urine of those eating egg-free vegetarian diets. You can even take the same people, and rotate them through three different diets, and you can tell who is who; who is on a high-meat, low-meat, or no-meat diet—in part, based on the different compounds churned out by the different gut flora, or different flora activity, after just about two weeks on the different diets. It’s possible that some of the beneficial effects of whole plant foods may be mediated by the effects they have on our gut bacteria. At the same time, the Standard American Diet may increase the relative abundance of undesirables that produce toxic compounds, including the cardiotoxicant TMAO.
Strictly plant-based diets “have gained acceptance as a dietary strategy” for preventing and managing disease. Perhaps, in part, because of their rather unique gut flora, less of the disease-causing bacteria, and more of the protective species. So, all along, we thought the reason those eating plant-based had lower heart disease rates was because they were eating less saturated fat and cholesterol. But, maybe, their lower TMAO levels may also be contributing to their benefits—thanks to their reduction of ingestion of carnitine and choline.
I talked about the egg industry response to the choline revelation. How has the carnitine supplement industry reacted? Well, the former VP of Advocare, a multilevel marketing company that sells carnitine supplements, like “Slam,” while getting slammed with lawsuits, finding them, for example, guilty of “false, misleading, or deceptive…practices,” forced to pay over a million dollars in response to the research implicating carnitine in TMAO production, he questioned whether there was a secret vegan conspiracy at the Cleveland Clinic. Restricting our intake of meat or carnitine supplements to prevent our gut bacteria from making TMAO, he argues, is like trying to prevent car accidents by restricting “the sale of fuel.”
Uh, okay, but there are benefits to transportation. We’re talking about TMAO, which may be fueling our epidemic of heart disease, the #1 killer of men and women in this country. As far as I’m concerned, the more we can cut the fuel for that, the better.
Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.
- Tuohy KM, Fava F, Viola R. 'The way to a man's heart is through his gut microbiota'--dietary pro- and prebiotics for the management of cardiovascular risk. Proc Nutr Soc. 2014 May;73(2):172-85.
- Boutagy NE, Neilson AP, Osterberg KL, Smithson AT, Englund TR, Davy BM, Hulver MW, Davy KP. Short-term high-fat diet increases postprandial trimethylamine-N-oxide in humans. Nutr Res. 2015 Oct;35(10):858-64.
- Ferguson JF. Meat-loving microbes: do steak-eating bacteria promote atherosclerosis? Circ Cardiovasc Genet. 2013 Jun;6(3):308-9.
- Miller MJ. Risk factors for cardiovascular disease: a cautionary tale of diet-microbiome interactions. J Am Coll Nutr. 2013;32(2):75-8.
- Brown JM, Hazen SL. Eggs as a dietary source for gut microbial production of trimethylamine-N-oxide. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Sep;100(3):741-3.
- Miller CA, Corbin KD, da Costa KA, Zhang S, Zhao X, Galanko JA, Blevins T, Bennett BJ, O'Connor A, Zeisel SH. Effect of egg ingestion on trimethylamine-N-oxide production in humans: a randomized, controlled, dose-response study. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Sep;100(3):778-86.
- Xu J, Yang S, Cai S, Dong J, Li X, Chen Z. Identification of biochemical changes in lactovegetarian urine using 1H NMR spectroscopy and pattern recognition. Anal Bioanal Chem. 2010 Feb;396(4):1451-63.
- Bäckhed F. Meat-metabolizing bacteria in atherosclerosis. Nat Med. 2013 May;19(5):533-4.
- Glick-Bauer M, Yeh MC. The health advantage of a vegan diet: exploring the gut microbiota connection. Nutrients. 2014 Oct 31;6(11):4822-38.
- Tuso P, Stoll SR, Li WW. A plant-based diet, atherogenesis, and coronary artery disease prevention. Perm J. 2015 Winter;19(1):62-7.
- Stella C, Beckwith-Hall B, Cloarec O, Holmes E, Lindon JC, Powell J, van der Ouderaa F, Bingham S, Cross AJ, Nicholson JK. Susceptibility of human metabolic phenotypes to dietary modulation. J Proteome Res. 2006 Oct;5(10):2780-8.
- Tang WH, Wang Z, Levison BS, Koeth RA, Britt EB, Fu X, Wu Y, Hazen SL. Intestinal microbial metabolism of phosphatidylcholine and cardiovascular risk. N Engl J Med. 2013 Apr 25;368(17):1575-84.
- Tang WH, Wang Z, Levison BS, Koeth RA, Britt EB, Fu X, Wu Y, Hazen SL. Supplementary Appendix. Intestinal microbial metabolism of phosphatidylcholine and cardiovascular risk. N Engl J Med. 2013 Apr 25;368(17):1575-84.
- Koeth RA, Wang Z, Levison BS, Buffa JA, Org E, Sheehy BT, Britt EB, Fu X, Wu Y, Li L, Smith JD, DiDonato JA, Chen J, Li H, Wu GD, Lewis JD, Warrier M, Brown JM, Krauss RM, Tang WH, Bushman FD, Lusis AJ, Hazen SL. Supplemental materials for: Intestinal microbiota metabolism of L-carnitine, a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis. Nat Med. 2013 May;19(5):576-85.
- AdvoCare Slam® Liquid Vitamin and Amino Acid Supplement.
Image credit: MelSi via pixabay. Image has been modified.
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If that was the supplement industry’s response, how did the egg industry react? See my video Egg Industry Response to Choline and TMAO.
For more background on TMAO, see Carnitine, Choline, Cancer, and Cholesterol: The TMAO Connection, then find out How to Reduce Your TMAO Levels.
Our gut flora are what we eat. Check out:
- Microbiome: The Inside Story
- Microbiome: We Are What They Eat
- Prebiotics: Tending Our Inner Garden
- What’s Your Gut Microbiome Enterotype?
- How to Change Your Enterotype
- Paleopoo: What We Can Learn from Fossilized Feces
- Gut Dysbiosis: Starving Our Microbial Self
- Is Obesity Infectious?
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