Paleo Diet Studies Show Benefits

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The Healthiest Way to Eat Paleo

There have been about a half dozen studies published on Paleo-type diets, starting around 20 years ago. For example, in what sounds like a reality TV show: ten diabetic Australian Aborigines were dropped off in a remote location to fend for themselves, hunting and gathering foods like figs and crocodiles.

In Modern Meat Not Ahead of the Game, my video on wild game, I showed that kangaroo meat causes a significantly smaller spike of inflammation compared to retail meat like beef. Of course, ideally we’d eat anti-inflammatory foods, but wild game is so low in fat that you can design a game-based diet with under 7 percent of calories from fat. Skinless chicken breast, in comparison, has 14 times more fat than kangaroo meat. So you can eat curried kangaroo with your cantaloupe (as they did in the study) and drop your cholesterol almost as much as eating vegetarian.

So, how did the “contestants” do? Well, nearly anything would have been preferable to the diet they were eating before, which was centered on refined carbs, soda, beer, milk, and cheap fatty meat. They did pretty well, though, showing a significantly better blood sugar response—but it was due to a ton of weight loss because they were starving. Evidently, they couldn’t catch enough kangaroos, so even if they had been running around the desert for seven weeks on 1,200 daily calories of their original junky diet, they may have done just as well. We’ll never know, though, because there was no control group.

Some of the other Paleo studies have the same problem: They’re small and short with no control groups, yet still report favorable results. The findings of one such study are no surprise, given that subjects cut their saturated fat intake in half, presumably because they cut out so much cheese, sausage, or ice cream. In another study, nine people went Paleo for ten days. They halved their saturated fat and salt intake, and, as one might expect, their cholesterol and blood pressure dropped.

The longest Paleo study had been only 3 months in duration, until a 15-month study was conducted—but it was done on pigs. The pigs did better because they gained less weight on the Paleo diet. Why? Because they fed the Paleo group 20 percent fewer calories. The improvement in insulin sensitivity in pigs was not reproduced in a study on people, however. Although, there were some benefits like improved glucose tolerance, thanks to these dietary changes: The Paleo group ate less dairy, cereals, oil, and margarine, and ate more fruits and nuts, with no significant change in meat consumption.

A follow-up study also failed to find improved glucose tolerance in the Paleo group over the control group, but did show other risk factor benefits. And no wonder! Any diet cutting out dairy, doughnuts, oil, sugar, candy, soda, beer, and salt is likely to make people healthier and feel better. In my video Paleo Diet Studies Show Benefits, you can see a day’s worth of food on the Standard American Diet, filled with pizza, soda, burgers, processed foods, and sweets, versus a Paleo diet, which, surprisingly, has lots of foods that actually grew out of the ground.

But the Paleo diet also prohibits beans. Should we really be telling people to stop eating beans? Well, it seems hardly anyone eats them anyway. Only about 1 in 200 middle-aged American women get enough, with more than 96 percent of Americans not even reaching the minimum recommended amount. So telling people to stop isn’t going to change their diet very much. I’m all for condemning the Standard American Diet’s refined carbs, “nonhuman mammalian milk”, and junk foods, but proscribing legumes is a mistake. As I’ve noted before, beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils may be the most important dietary predictor of survival. Beans and whole grains are the dietary cornerstones of the longest living populations on Earth. Plant-based diets in general and legumes in particular are a common thread among longevity blue zones around the world.

The bottom line may be that reaching for a serving of kangaroo may be better than a cheese danish, “but foraging for…[an] apple might prove to be the most therapeutic of all.”

I’ve reported previously on Paleo’s disappointing results in Paleo Diets May Negate Benefits of Exercise.

The underlying philosophy behind “caveman” diets may be flawed in the first place. See:

So, What’s the Natural Human Diet? Watch the video!

The wild game video I mentioned is Modern Meat Not Ahead of the Game. Kangaroo is kind of the Australian version of venison. Note that it also matters how the animals are killed. See Filled Full of Lead and Lead Contamination in Fish and Game.

And, for more on the musical fruit, see:

In health,
Michael Greger, M.D.

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Michael Greger M.D., FACLM

Michael Greger, M.D. FACLM, is a physician, New York Times bestselling author, and internationally recognized professional speaker on a number of important public health issues. Dr. Greger has lectured at the Conference on World Affairs, the National Institutes of Health, and the International Bird Flu Summit, testified before Congress, appeared on The Dr. Oz Show and The Colbert Report, and was invited as an expert witness in defense of Oprah Winfrey at the infamous "meat defamation" trial.

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  1. Paleo diet thinking doesn’t appear to be realistic, in so far as its assumptions about what our ancestors ate in the paleolithic period have been disproved.

    Since Neanderthals have been shown to have consumed legumes, grains and tubers. it is hard to beiieve that contemprary anatomically modern humans weren’t also consuming legumes,grains and tubers in the Paleolithic.

    1. For example:

      “Our data show that Neanderthals in both environments included a spectrum of plant foods in their diets, including grass seeds (Triticeae cf. Hordeum), dates (Phoenix), legumes (Faboideae), plant underground
      storage organs, and other yet-unidentified plants, and that several of the consumed plants had been cooked’

      1. Apparently they confuse the advent of agriculture… with it’s inherent ability to select and concentrate specific crops… with their millennia of availability prior! We may have done some hybridizing since then, but it’s ridiculous to assume legumes and grains didn’t exist and weren’t widely utilized before we started growing them as controlled crops. (which is precisely why we chose to grow them!)

        1. Yes, just look at John Newell’s post where he assumes that these foods were only occasional and/or minor parts of the diet throughout the entire paleolithic period.

          TBH, this seems like fantasising to me. People in thepaleolithic would have eaten a wide range of diets and in equatorial/tropival areas, many such foods would have been available all year round.

          The popular paleo diet beliefs found n the internet seem to assume that the entire human population lived in Eurasian high Northern latitiude areas and necessarily relied heavily on animal foods because snow, ice and frozen ground limited foraging for plant foods especially grains, legumes and tubers. in fact, even that is fantasy …..

          ‘Three grinding stones from Shizitan Locality 14 (ca. 23,000–19,500 calendar years before present) in the middle Yellow River region were subjected to usewear and residue analyses to investigate human adaptation during the last glacial maximum (LGM) period, when resources were generally scarce and plant foods may have become increasingly important in the human diet. The results show that these tools were used to process various plants, including Triticeae and Paniceae grasses, Vigna beans, Dioscorea opposita yam, and Trichosanthes kirilowii snakegourd roots. Tubers were important food resources for Paleolithic hunter–gatherers, and Paniceae grasses were exploited about 12,000 y before their domestication. The long tradition of intensive exploitation of certain types of flora helped Paleolithic people understand the properties of these plants, including their medicinal uses, and eventually led to the plants’ domestication.

          The weird thing is that Paleo Diet believers keep repeating their favourite stories even when objective evidence that refutes them, is presented. it’s as though their stories are somehow more important and meaningful to them than actual evidence.

          1. What makes you think the first use of grain was food? It turns out that grain and mud make a pretty good bandage or even a cast. Don’t assume that just because we eat it now that anyone was eating it to start with. Yes I grant you that monkey see, monkey do and it might see a no brainer to eat it. But preparing grain to eat on a regular basis would have been too much work for too little return.

            Fumble fingers the evidence is in the teeth and bones.

            No assumptions on my part.

            Go out there yourself and pick some grain. Let us know how sustaining that is long term. Try cooking it without a pot. Or try eating it raw.

            1. John

              You are confusing your own beliefs, imagination and opinions with reality. For exampke, f course you can cook grains without a pot. You can make flat bread using a stone nest to a hot fire.

              This was done in the Paleolithic for example.

              And the belief that paleolithic people did not have extensive dental caries is equally false as is the idea that dental caries only appeared with the advent of agriculture and widespread grain cultivation eg

              You are basing your opinions on a narratve that you have invented … or that Paleo Diet gurus have invented.

              1. Let me just clarify.

                I agree that caries rates went up significantly with agriculture but they were hardly unkown in previous eras.

                And arguing that increased risk of dental caries trumps the decreased mortality and morbidity risk associated with whole grain consumption, makes no logical sense whatsoever to me..

            2. Grain use arrived in different areas at different times. Also the type of grain used was not the same in every area so the time frame I use is based on the western world which is the people who have typically had the most problems with diet that we know of as they apply to most North Americans. Dietary problems and grain use go hand in hand.

              The paleo grains bear little resemblance to those grains grown today as far as I know.

              I don’t eat grain and have no health issues as a result. I’m 70 and as active now as I was when I was 20 and take no medications. I am not fat.

              I finally found a source for wild meat locally yesterday so that aspect of my diet will undergo a further reversion next week (today is Sunday and they aren’t open).

              As I said, even if there were people consuming grain back then, they could not have been doing it regularly or in sufficient quantities per person to cause problems due to the difficulty in harvesting it, the seasonality, the lack it being a field crop and many other things.

              The glue factor would have been much less as a result. But ingestion would certainly have accounted for the dental carries you mentioned. There is no free ride with grain of any description.

              Yams are not mucus forming. Beans, nuts, seeds have mild glue factor that doesn’t seem to impact teeth the way wheat does. I do eat wild rice. I have no mucus problems with it.

              Give me wheat and I’m snoring that night. Same with dairy.

              As for plant foods becoming increasingly important, that is archeologists finding more evidence of plant foods, not plant foods becoming increasingly important. We did not start out as carnivores. You know that from the length of your intestinal tract. You don’t need an archeologist to tell you that.

              As for fantasizing, I prefer to view it as thinking of as examining, analyzing possibilities and putting myself in my ancestors’ place. Then I visualize how I’d go about trying to solve problems with the resources at hand. When you do that, you soon realize that just like now, convenience is king. You eat what is readily available. In that respect, some grains were probably always at least a small part of our diet.

              Satiety would always have been a prime concern. Raw grain swelling in their stomachs could have helped with that. If so, maybe chewing was not necessary if the grain was swallowed with water. But if so, trying to swallow grain without a cup of water (no cups) would have been difficult without being eaten by a crocodile.

              Grains are the seeds of the next generation of that plant. As such, plants don’t want the integrity of their next generation to be breached before they have a chance to grow. So seeds and grains in general are indigestible to all species except for those few who specialized to consume them. Those few include certain microbes, bacteria, fungoids, insects, birds and rodents. In each case since grain was a major food source for them they evolved physical characteristics to avoid damage from such consumption.

              No other life form did that including us.

              So we compare what modifications rodents have compared to us:

              Rodent teeth: continuously growing, so no gum disease and thus no heart disease and other issues that accompany grain consumption if your teeth don’t keep growing;

              Rodent cecum: much bigger in comparison to ours in order to digest cellulose. We don’t eat nearly enough grain or other similar roughage to need a cecum of that comparative size. Our appendix is also vestigial likely as a result. So grain could not have been a major dietary component at any time in our history or we would have a cecum the size of a cantaloup.

              Mucosal/Epithelium in rodents can’t break down the mucus in grain any more than we can. It’s water insoluble. Grain proteins mixing with saliva or water changes the viscosity of saliva making it very difficult to pass through the colon walls into the blood stream and lymph vessels. Modern science has not figured that out yet and they also don’t tell the public that the way rodents do manage to consume grain at all is because after it’s been though their bodies and exited as fecal matter, they eat it again after it’s dried out. That very likely eliminates the glue factor. Without doing that, rodents shrivel.

              Every grain eating species lives a short life – less than five years. Horses and cattle don’t intentionally eat grain when left to their own devices. Wild cattle and horses are far, far healthier than domestic cattle and horses. For them the evidence is in their hooves. Wild cattle and horses have far tougher hooves than domestic animals. Science diets have not been able to duplicate what natural foraging does. If that holds true for them, it holds true for us too. That is a reality that brooks no argument.

              Since we don’t eat our own fecal material, when we consume grain we miss out on nutritional elements that enable metabolization.

              Many animals including dogs, cats, monkeys and so on eat their own fecal matter and we probably did too at some point.

              For some reason, archeologists have not reported our fecal matter consumption. Could that be be because we didn’t need to? We weren’t eating enough grain for it to matter?

              The bottom line is that something our ancestors did or did not do enabled them to grow bigger, stronger, healthier and more complete than we are today.

              By complete, I mean the senses our ancestors had were of a completely different order than ours are today. Our senses are incredibly weak and unresponsive compared to any aboriginal even today if they aren’t being affected by civilization in any way. Civilization has been bad news for human health. We are weaker and sicker and incapable of living as our ancestors once lived because we are in such bad shape in every way.

              The biggest difference as I see it is that our ancestors did not eat what we eat.

              You can argue all you like about different populations consuming grain but the reality is that soon after, they became shorter, sicker and their life spans became shorter too.

              Guess who the shortest people are in general? Asians whose ancestors have been consuming grain the longest. Guess who became the most accomplished at dreaming up natural cures? Asians who were among the earliest grain (rice) consumers. Rice causes all sorts of health issues so they needed and still need all the help they can get to keep eating rice and continue to live with it.

              Grain consumption was not a major factor in the arctic. Yet Inuit peoples lived well without grain before contact with Europeans. They still got their basic nutrition from their diet that was almost completely meat based. Their teeth and bodies were strong and perfect. Now on the western diet consuming grain products, their teeth are a mess and their overall health is the worst of any Canadians and their suicide rate is through the roof. Other First Nations people are in a similar state. The western diet is decimating them. Diabetes is rampant. Same in Australia, Africa, anywhere that aboriginal people are ingesting grain, physical devastation soon follows.

              The other thing that accompanies grain consumption is constipation. Whole or not. The difference between whole grain consumption and refined flour is a small percentage unrelated to real numbers. That is to keep people believing in and consuming grain. We used to have a saying for that sort of blind faith that involved swamp land in Florida. Well guess what, billions have been made from Florida swampland. But look at what’s happened – sink holes, fires all summer long, and pretty soon, the rising seas will submerge it all. Here in eastern Canada, our lakes and rivers are full to the very top for the first time in my life. If this winter coming is like the last one, entire communities will be lost all along those bodies of water.

              If grain was as good as people on this site seem to think, grain would be seen as a huge benefit for aboriginals. There is no evidence there is any benefit accruing to those people from grain consumption. Instead, between modern dairy and grain, degenerative diseases have changed the fabric of life for those people in short order. They are not growing taller, stronger and their teeth are nothing to brag about due to diet. They are a mess.

              Instead of blabbering about how I’m fantasizing, why not do some fantasizing of your own and try and think outside the box.

              Stop thinking scientists and archeologists are the only people qualified to think independently about how things are or were done. If people in general always did that we’d still be hunter/gatherers.

              You people are idolizing medical professionals who cannot even treat an ingrown toenail properly without surgery. You can’t get a medical procedure simpler than that yet all of you if you had a badly ingrown toenail would stagger off to the doctor and have your toe destroyed because you could not think through the problem and fix it yourself. How completely daft is that? But that is exactly how you think. That is why you keep thinking grain is food when it isn’t. Same sort of irrational thought process.

              1. Again, you ignore the evidence in favour of your own speculations. Sounds like fantasising to me.People have been eating grains for well over 100,000 years. possibly for millions. But that doesn’t fit Paleo Diet ideology so you have to come up with a story that denies or minimises that fact.

                Humans unlike other primates have multiple copies of amylase enzyme genes. These allow us to digest starch. It suggests that we have evolved over to be able to digest starchy foods like grains, legumes and and tubers. That alone is a pretty big hint that grains and tubers have been important parts of our diet throughout much of our evolutionary history.

                It is therefore not surprising that there is hard evidence that our homo ancestors millions of years ago were eating such foods ……….

                ‘.An analysis of the vanilla and cinnamon carbon in A. afarensis from the middle Pliocene (3.0 to 3.7 million years ago) shows that this hominin had already shifted to a C4-based diet. Jonathan Wynn, a geologist at the University of South Florida, and colleagues analyzed 20 fossilized teeth of A. afarensis from the Hadar region of Ethiopia. Although there was significant variability in the proportion of C4 plants consumed, on average, A. afarensis consumed significantly more C4 plants than its recent ancestor Australopithecus anamensis. These hominins were thus already eating grain in an adaptation for life on the savannah, Cerling said.

                Cerling’s own analysis of hominin fossils found in the Turkana basin in Kenya, and published in a second paper, shows that some hominins there were also making the shift to a C4-based diet. Several species of Homo (the authors did not distinguish between several of these closely related species) as well as Paranthropus boisei, which lived between 2.3 to 1.2 million years ago, showed evidence of a grain- and grass-based diet. This shift coincided with the retreat of heavily forested areas that were replaced by open savannah.’

                Modern Paleo Diet beliefs about grains etc are contradicted by the evidence. Little wonder you have to tell stories in an attempt to justify your claims instead of referring to the paleoarchaelogical record.

    2. Mr. Fumblefingers,

      I liked the description of wild meat, compared to domesticated meat.

      In Wisconsin, tests of deer meat showed that those in the southern part of the state were much more like beef cattle — because the deer grazed on farmers’ fields, especially the corn fields!

      So the point is, that it’s practically impossible to eat wild gamey meat; not from the meat industry, and often not even from wild animals themselves.

      Though I wouldn’t eat meat anyway. I love my plant based whole food! Right now I’m making a 4 bean salad — with garden green beans and 3 different hard beans — for dinner. Which means that I also love my electric pressure cooker!! Faster, easier, more energy efficient, and keeps the house much cooler. (I have an Instant Pot.)

    3. “Paleo diet thinking doesn’t appear to be realistic, in so far as its assumptions about what our ancestors ate in the paleolithic period have been disproved.”


      What I also love is that the “Paleo” diet folks also seem to ignore eating insects, grubs, worms, a dead but found carcass, etc.

      Back in those days, often times you had to be an opportunity eater. Meat, tubers, etc. weren’t just waiting to be picked up and consumed. Less you were in some fertile valley or near the equator where it was easier to eat plant foods, you were probably eating lots of bugs, grubs, carrion, etc. in addition to what you could hunt or dig up from the ground.

      Wait – maybe we should write a book on how to actually eat Paleo and throw in all the ignore grains, bugs, crubs, and stolen kills from other predators.

      1. Nobody is forgetting that Micheal. We just weren’t talking about that. I have no qualms discussing that part of the diet if you’re interested.

        For instance, have ever eaten worms? I have. They are an acquired taste. And you don’t cook them. Straight down the hatch still wriggling.

        We don’t eat them these days because of the chemicals they crawl through. But back in the day a worm was definitely food encapsulating clean soil.

        THAT is worth talking about. Nothing we eat today confers the benefits bestowed by occasional bits of soil loaded with microorganisms and other elements that cannot be ingested any other way. When in the worm the earth is mostly encapsulated in the worm’s mucus until that tasty morsel hits your stomach acids. It’s all further insulated by our own stimulated, secreted mucus to ensure our safety.

        Bugs are a similar problem. Pesticides are global now. There is no truly safe place to obtain bugs unless they’re grown in a lab. But they were the first vitamin pills. The ones people take now are a poor substitute.

        Walk the talk.

        1. I was not specifically speaking about anyone here. Are you the spokesman for all Paleo followers, writers, and “experts”?
          I haven’t heard any of them really talk about what Paleo would really mean but rather what they cherry pick from it. Likely the intent has nothing to do with Paleo at all but simply used it for marketing a trendy diet that simply boils down to this – don’t eat refined foods.
          Anyway, I was speaking in general about Paleo diets and the typical, and poor arguments that are often used – appeal to nature and appeal to tradition.
          You never hear the paleo people talk about anything except the parts that they like or that are appealing. They also like to neglect the constant work that it was to eat. To be paleo is much more than a targeted diet of what one likes. The activity level was certainly higher than today by an order of magnitude.
          I did enjoy that you threw in an argument that sounds like an appeal to futility.

          1. More bad news for the typical paleo diet from a new (2019) study.

            “A “paleo diet” increases levels of TMAO, a metabolite associated with heart disease, according to a study published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition. Researchers tracked TMAO levels and markers of gut-bacteria health for those following a “paleo diet,” which included meat, while excluding grains and dairy products, and compared results to a control group. Decreased consumption of carbohydrates, ****especially from fiber-rich grains****, and increased fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol intake in the paleo group led to more gut bacteria species linked to heart disease and inflammation than those in the control group. The authors note that these results suggest that a paleo dietary pattern may be harmful to long-term health.”

            Original study:

            1. The keyword in tat study had three important letters in it: m a y.

              That study had lots of room for errors in it and was basically nonsense.

              If the real Paleo Diet was that flawed Homo sapiens could not have survived. You would not be here.

              By the way, you will note that no moderators are picking sides here.

              1. >>>>The keyword in tat study had three important letters in it: m a y.

                No, the key part was ” Decreased consumption of carbohydrates, ****especially from fiber-rich grains****, and increased fat, saturated fat, and cholesterol intake in the paleo group led to more gut bacteria species *** linked** to heart disease and inflammation than those in the control group.”
                In other words, fiber-rich grains, as is known from other studies, supports healthful gut bacteria, quite the opposite of your unsupported claim that grains are “glue” and so bad for you.

                >>> That study had lots of room for errors in it and was basically nonsense.

                Most studies have room for errors. That’s why people look at multiple studies and disparate sources of evidence. This is in contrast to your methodology, which seems to consist in simply asserting your views based on your imagination.

                >>>By the way, you will note that no moderators are picking sides here.

                So when it is convenient, you invoke an argument from authority, which is, of course, invalid. But at other times you rant about scientists/experts don’t know know which end is up .

                FYI: moderators on this forum rarely, if ever, take sides in debates.

                >>>If the real Paleo Diet was that flawed Homo sapiens could not have survived. You would not be here.

                I never said otherwise. My comment, which was concerned with typical, current paleo diets, and made the point that grains in current diets support a healthful gut microbiome, the opposite of your unsupported claim.

              2. “if the real Paleo Diet was that flawed Homo sapiens could not have survived. You would not be here.”

                There is a huge difference between thriving and surviving. The human body can adapt (Hormesis) but not without a price.

                1. Paleo man could have done nothing but thrive. In a wild environment only the fittest survive. Sick animals, birds, whatever, don’t last unless exceptional events occur. They don’t have doctors or technology.

                  Infants and children had very high mortality the same as any other species. Once they reached adulthood, they lived into their 70s with perfect teeth.

                  Once grain was on the menu lives shortened an degenerative diseases started.

                  In the wild without human interference animals don’t live long enough to get beyond slightly sick. Once that happens they are killed and eaten.

                  In overcrowded captive conditions with unnatural foods, disease is a constant threat just as in human societies. Fish farms for instance represent a huge threat to wild populations.

          2. WellI have to agree with you on your stance. Hardly anyone seems to have a clue about what’s really involved in a Paleo Diet. That does not mean I consider myself an expert since my crystal ball doesn’t work work well in reverse gear.

            My position is all about what works from a health restoration perspective. That is; if we did not evolve to consume it, it will hinder health restoration attempts.

            If we did evolve to consume it it will help. That doesn’t mean all the things we evolved to consume can be consume indiscriminately. Rather, you consume what works for the process as needed. Food as medicine – an ancient concept that people here don’t get.

            1. John

              You wrote:
              “My position is all about what works from a health restoration perspective. That is; if we did not evolve to consume it, it will hinder health restoration
              If we did evolve to consume it it will help.”

              Since we have clearly evolved to consume starchy foods like grains, tubers and legumes, shouldn’t you be arguing that these things are healthful not harmful?

              ‘In summary, we have shown that the pattern of variation in copy number of the human AMY1 gene is consistent with a history of diet-related selection pressures, demonstrating the importance of starchy foods in human evolution. While the amylase locus is one of the most variable in the human genome with regard to copy number10, it is by no means unique; a recent genome-wide survey identified 1,447 copy number variable regions among 270 phenotypically normal human individuals11, and many more such regions will likely be discovered with advances in copy number variation detection technology. It is reasonable to speculate that copy number variants other than AMY1 are or have been subject to strong pressures of natural selection, particularly given their potential influence on transcriptional and translational levels (e.g., ref. 29). The characterization of copy number variation among humans and between humans and other primates promises to offer considerable insight into our evolutionary history.’

              1. I so far have not said a single word about starchy foods that are not grain. That’s you making an assumption while accusing me of making assumptions.

                We did not clearly evolve to consume grains.

                If we did, we would have teeth like rodents so that gum disease is not an issue. We would have a larger cecum and we would be eating our own fecal matter the same as rodents do. Or do you do that and aren’t telling anyone about it?

                Other than rodents, no higher animal eats grain other than accidentally.

                You talk about me and delusions but you can’t get your head around the chemistry or physics that accompany grain ingestion. THAT is delusional.

                Sorry to pop your bubble. As has been said before: Sacred cows die hardest and yours is being tortured to death.

              1. I have been doing my research longer than he has from a completely different perspective. I’m not making stuff up. My views are based on my observations.

                Just because my conclusions are different does not invalidate them.

                My results speak for themselves.

                You guys are searching for answers and I’m telling you what works.

                The holes in my work are due to science lagging behind me so there are times when a theory has to suffice while I wait. Lots of my work was formerly theories 40 years ago. In those days and since there has been no shortage of naysayers. But one by one most of my theories have been borne out.

                Some needed modification but on the whole I’ve done better than most professionals I’ve ever heard of. So you griping about my information now is no big deal.

                Of course everything would be different if I were a professional in a medical discipline instead of a retired interior designer, manufacturer, and other disciplines but in my view there is no lock on who can learn what or who can solve problems. It’s open to anyone who wants to try their hand and make the effort.

                To presume I’m fantasizing without having done what I’ve done is premature.

                Don’t forget, no one really knows what happened 100,000 years ago for sure.

                Until Dr. Price’s work was found and revisited, no one had a clue about how damaging grain was and is.

                I’m not saying grain offers no benefits. I am saying constant use of grain results in dental destruction no matter what era people lived in. My dating was a general thing. I don’t know when each and every culture adopted grain a a dietary basic. But when they did dental catastrophes followed.

                So go right ahead and destroy your teeth and make the most of your constipation while laminating your gums with glue.

                1. So we evolved to eat blood, butter, organ meats, and other mammals milk but not grains? The answer is yes according to the Price Foundation.

                  Why is is that butter and milk are two KNOWN causes of cardiovascular disease while whole grains are proven to prevent and reduce heart disease?

                  The bottom line is he compared 14 groups of people who were still eating a traditional diet to a group of people who were eating a processed diet full of white flour, vegetable oils, and sugar. For the most part, the processed food group already had disease and tooth decay. It’s great research for helping someone see the problem with modern processed food, but it has nothing to with whole-grain consumption. In fact, whole-grains were not even part of the study as far as I can see. Ultra-processed food is the cause of nutritional deficiencies and dental issues.

                  1. As with all animals on the entire planet, we evolved to eat raw food. We did adapt to eat cooked food. The butter eaten by Paleo man was live butter, not dead butter. There is a big, big difference people don’t seem to understand. You can figure that out I expect. Same for blood. It was alive unless cooked as part of say cooked meat. No problem as long as you aren’t constipated. But Paleo people weren’t constipated. So cooked meat didn’t cause the issues that accompany meat whose transition through the gut is delayed.

                    Doctors have been steadfastly telling us meat does not decompose in the gut. Until last year when Dr. Greger among others finally agreed with me that yes, meat delayed in the gut certainly does decompose.

                    Grains are a form of seed. Since plants have extremely limited options for fighting back and can’t get out of the way or escape, they’ve developed other means of procreating. One of those ways is to make their seeds practically impossible except by accident to be destroyed by being eaten to the point where not enough survive to see another generation. Consequently among higher animals, rodents are the only mammals to evolve the necessary organs and teeth to be able to consume grain with seeming impunity.

                    Apparently, that impunity entails a short life span. No grain eating rodent lives very long. And to do so, they have to eat their own shit because even with a cecum much larger comparatively than ours, they still cannot metabolize the mucus in the grain. They break up the seeds the first time around, shit them out then eat their dried and now non-sticky fecal matter. If they are prevented from eating their own fecal matter they suffer malnutrition.

                    From that we can assume that since we don’t chow down on our own shit, we too are missing vital nutrients when we ineffectively consume whole grain. Rodents (and pigs) are considered to have similar digestive tracts to humans. Both eat their own shit and stay healthy as part of the grain consumption lifestyle. We as a species somehow think that we have been magically blessed and all the nasty things that can and do happen when grain is improperly consumed will give us a free pass. Hospitals are full of those people.

                    Then there is the glue issue. Do you think you have a magic intestine that can metabolize glue that no one and nothing else can? Just because you aren’t connecting what happens to you when you consume grain, don’t think for a moment you are getting off scot free. You are from planet earth and both chemistry and physics works the same way for you as it does for any other animal.

                    Yes there are benefits to eating grain.

                    So in the short term whole grain does indeed reduce cardio issues. But in the long term grain caused gum disease catches up with those people unless their dental care is impeccable.

                    Grain is the number one cause of gum disease and in case you have not heard, gum disease is a major cause of cardiovascular disease. Grain is also acidic and that causes lots of issues for the microbiome in the gut.

                    The reason you haven’t heard more about this (you will) is because the people doing the studies are constipated themselves. They always leave those issues out of their studies.

                    People eating live butter who don’t brush their teeth end up with a coating over their teeth that in the Swiss case investigated by Dr. Price had turned green. Likely a symbiotic form of algea. Add any chemicals at all to their menu and good bye teeth in short order.

                    Populations such as the Masai and others who mixed blood with their milk did so immediately. There was and is no delay from source to mouth thus no disease.

              2. Earliest evidence of dental caries manipulation in the Late Upper Palaeolithic

                G. Oxillia et al.

                NCBI; US Library of Medicine, National Institutes of Health; Published online 2015 Jul 16

                “Prehistoric dental treatments were extremely rare, and the few documented cases are known from the Neolithic, when the adoption of early farming culture caused an increase of carious lesions. Here we report the earliest evidence of dental caries intervention on a Late Upper Palaeolithic modern human specimen (Villabruna) from a burial in Northern Italy.

                Recent studies show that dietary changes towards a more carbohydrate-rich diet (e.g., large exploitation of grains and starches) may have occurred well before the Neolithic, predating the origin of agriculture by ca. 10,000 years30,31, if not 20,000 years32. Though it is undeniable that the frequency of dental caries increased with the advent of agriculture9,10, some regions may have experienced a dietary shift during the mid-Late Upper Palaeolithic, as suggested by a greater incidence of carious lesions (rarely observed in fossil hominins)33 in some modern human populations34. The rise in caries incidence, coupled with appropriate lithic technology during the Late Upper Palaeolithic may have created an optimal context within which to adapt the habitual use of a toothpick (made of wood/bone) towards a rudimentary dental intervention using microlithic tools.”

                This is the most recent information I can find that ties dental caries to grain consumption. Not conclusive in and of itself but the physical process of how gum disease worked in the Paleo and Neolithic eras has not changed one jot. Regular grain consumption causes gum disease whether you people want to admit it or not. Gum disease leads to degenerative diseases of quite a wide variety with the number one candidate being heart disease due to inflammation of the soft tissues.

                Our bodies are not good at fighting inflammation to begin with. They are less able when the source of the inflammation is added on a regular and continuous basis. Arthritis is the marker most commonly associated with inflammation. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out.

                1. That’s an interesting study. Thanks. I don’t really doubt that eating lots of grains, even intact ones, can contribute to dental/gum disease IF you do not take proper care of your teeth. My experience: I have eaten tons of grains in my life, most of the time not whole grains, and have not had cavities since my teen years more than 50 years ago and I have never had any gum disease. I should add that I am also not a fan of bread, even supposedly whole grain varieties, since it does seem make my teeth feel sticky.

                  Just to be clear, as I mentioned the last time you posted your views on this topic, I do not think eating whole grains is necessary for excellent health, as the traditional Okinawan diet indicates. But that’s a different matter from your very strong claims.

                2. >>> Gum disease leads to degenerative diseases of quite a wide variety with the number one candidate being heart disease due to inflammation of the soft tissues I completely agree with this particular statement. It is also associated with Alzheimer’s disease as the same bacteria that causes periodontal disease has been found in the brains of those with Alzheimer’s disease.

    4. Paleo people who were not eating “processed” grains had good dentition. Anybody, Paleo or otherwise who eats grains pays a price in terms of overall physical health despite the acknowledged benefits of grain unless they have ready access to excellent, professional dental care which is expensive for most people and non-existent for nearly anyone until 1914. It wasn’t common for even affluent people until the 21st century.

      So early on in grain consumption, people reap benefits from eating whole grain anything. As they continue to consume grain once processing or milling of the grain regardless of how primitive the operation, is carried out, certain developments take place in the human body upon consumption that are definitely not beneficial. The first is mucus contamination, second is constipation accompanied by excess mucus. Despite scientists telling us whole grains are preventative for constipation, the reality is they are not preventative for most people. Science is very misleading to the point of fraud on this subject.

      Natural bowel movements involve food in/waste out. Eventually, grain consumption slows that process down to the point of chronic constipation. Right now chronic constipation is one of the most common human afflictions. NO other animal suffers from this condition naturally and neither do we unless we are consuming substances we did not evolve to consume. We are the only animal consuming grain besides rodents. They live short lives. We eat grain and are the sickest species that has ever lived and the sickest generation of humans globally there has ever been.

      Cattle and horses are fed grain by humans – corn for cows, oats for horses. Both require drugs to overcome the resulting inflammation. Dogs and cats have for about 60 years had grain added to their supposed science diets. As a result starting in the 60s both species illnesses have developed human type diseases – especially cancer.

      Constipation is not a side effect of something else for most people despite there being at least 28 separate causes for constipation and 55 major degenerative diseases linked to grain consumption. That is an awful lot of risk for toast and jam.

      I think recommending whole grains as a panacea is criminally irresponsible unless you are also talking about the downside which so far is never. It’s outrageous. Dr. Greger especially should know better.

      This link could help you broaden your mental horizons:

      So here we have a recent example of information finally being made public that I’ve been talking about for 40 years. It’s not me who is delusional; it’s you. As I’ve said, this is pretty simple stuff. Basic chemistry and physics. In fact you can’t get much simpler than flour and water equals wall paper paste. Lumpy of course if the hulls are still present but still GLUE.

      1. Medieval Peasants in my home country of Britain ate a diet composed nearly entirely of porridge made of rye, barley and buckwheat and skulls from the time show that they had very good teeth.

        1. THAT is interesting. If that’s correct, then the grain issue lands squarely on wheat!

          Can you direct me to some references and photographs?

          Thank you for telling us that.

    5. Tubers and legumes do not cause mucosal problems so I consider them a legitimate Paleo food. Tubers and legumes aren’t associated with constipation which is a key criteria. Grain is. And where grain is concerned I’m talking about those that are implicated in constipation and degenerative diseases. Quinoa is not for instance.
      Quinoa is so far not being blamed for dental destruction where wheat is. Rice is.

      Once a substantial amount of grain is chewed on a regular basis by anyone in any age dental and health problems follow like night follows day. Chemistry and physics don’t take holidays on your say so.

      You blabber on about people who try to follow a Paleo menu as best they can – blindly in your opinion yet you are doing the same thing in support of grains that are implicated in at least 55 different major degenerative diseases. You’re the pot calling the kettle black.

      Grain despite its obvious benefits has very insidious downsides you seem incapable of grasping. Get over it.

      Dr. Greger does great work but so far he appears just as walleyed as you are on this subject.

      I’ve been saying for 40 years that meat decomposes in the gut. For 39 of them I’ve been slammed for those assertions but guess who announced my position was the right one after all this time? Dr. Greger. So I do know he eventually arrives at the Eureka moments.

      Even so, the science and the medical profession are still wallowing in a sea of blissful ignorance while they try to rationalize how that could be using archaic suppositions.

      It would laughable if it weren’t so tragic.

      So you and your ilk will continue blunder about in your modern dark ages scratching your heads wondering why white won’t turn black because you think it should.

      Why not look at the issue as if I’m right? Then see what happens. You cannot get past the status quo without accepting that there are viable alternatives.

      Tomatoes were considered poisonous right up until they weren’t. Keep that in mind.

      Arsenic was a former ingredient in bread. Good for you. Then it wasn’t. Meme choses.

  2. I read recently that roasting foods increases Advanced Glycation End Products (AGE), which are not considered healthy. Much of the Daily Dozen is nut-based, and peanuts and other nuts are typically roasted, and have relatively high AGE values. Are these health risks? In a paleo diet, presumably any nuts consumed would not be roasted.

    1. It depends how much you eat and whether or not you buy raw peanuts,

      This paper lists a number of foods and can perhaps help you calculate your daily AGE consumption.

      People in the Paleo period cooked their foods so it’s quite possible they threw nuts on the fire to make it easier to remove the shells and/or improve digestibility. I suspect that some did and some didn’t. The Paleo era covered a long period of time and many environments/climates, so very many different diets would have been eaten around the world varying according to season, food availability and culture.

      1. Thanks Tom for your thoughts and insights. I’ve pretty much decided to switch from roasted peanuts to raw walnuts. Greger loves walnuts, but I do love the snap of a peanut and will miss them.


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    2. Hi, Dave Larue! You are right that roasted nuts are likely to have higher levels of AGEs, but it is possible to purchase nuts that have not been roasted. There is nothing in the Daily Dozen that suggests nuts should be roasted, and the Daily Dozen is not really nut-based. Nuts and seeds are only a small part of the Daily Dozen. You can find more about that here: You can find everything on this site related to AGEs here: I hope that helps!

  3. Dr. Fiber, that is completely new information to me, thank you. I tend to be a bit more gassy than most even though my digestion is quite accustomed to beans. I will be doing some reading on this! I have friends who won’t eat any beans at all for fear of passing gas (ever, anywhere).

    1. Most of the work on hydrogen as a medical gas is out of China and Japan.
      There is a hydrogen institute in US promoting hydrogen water but the most effective way to boost H2 levels in the body is simply fiber and beans are one of the best H2 producing foods. Tell your friend “no gas no gain”
      Cheers, Gerry

    2. Anne,

      My husband and I are also quite gassy — sometimes exuberantly so! And we are also quite accustomed to beans; we’ve been eating a lot more since I bought an electric pressure cooker (mine is an Instant Pot) 2 years ago.

      But, since we are easily entertained, we just laugh and laugh in response!

      And lately, it seems that we know several family members and friends suffering heart attacks; they are younger than us. It’s scary. We’d like to avoid that, if possible. So far, so good; knock wood, and eat WFPB. And exercise.

      1. Yes, farts are hilarious! . I don’t like it when my farts are silent but deadly, I feel very self conscious and uncomfortable with those, but noisy toots with the husband, and the dog, are a running joke around here.

        I’ve found that corn, the whole kernals, not ground, seem to be a serious fart inducer.

        1. We eat a WFPB diet including the daily dozen, but centered on starches (Dr. McDougall). That is; potatoes, corn meal, beans, whole grains, oats, pumpkin (winter squash). Our dogs eat essentially the same diet. They fart almost as much as us. Namely, a lot.

          1. Being gassy and farting after eating indicates an inability to digest your food. If you are past 50 yrs old, it might help to take a digestive enzyme like Digest Gold, made by Enzymedica. Getting gas after eating dairy might mean you are lactose intolerant, which means taking Lactose enzyme will help digest the milk. I’m 75 yrs old and need enzymes to digest fat, dairy, and cooked foods. Raw food have just enough enzymes to digest itself IF it has not been irradiated. All the more reason to eat organic. Feed your cells, not your mouth. Vote with your dollar, vote organic, vote real food.

            1. We are not meant to digest dairy. It isn’t our food – it’s for baby cows. Use the search function here at Nutrition Facts to find hundreds of videos explaining why leaving dairy off the menu is one of the best things you can do for your health!

      2. Dr. J,

        I still use an old fashion pressure cooker on my gas stove. When I cook beans, I ensure that they are VERY cooked as I have found that significantly reduces the gas from eating beans. Since super cooking my beans, I infrequently experience gas at all.

  4. ten diabetic Australian Aborigines were dropped off in a remote location to fend for themselves, hunting and gathering foods like figs and crocodiles.


    Diabetic Australian Aborigines gathering crocodiles is something I would be afraid to watch. It sounds a bit like Shark Week.

  5. Dr. Fiber,

    That is fascinating!

    I ended up looking up a few studies and the results were interesting.

    . The consumption of hydrogen rich water for 8 weeks resulted in a 39% increase (p<0.05) in antioxidant enzyme superoxide dismutase (SOD) and a 43% decrease (p<0.05) in thiobarbituric acid reactive substances (TBARS) in urine. Further, subjects demonstrated an 8% increase in high density lipoprotein (HDL)-cholesterol and a 13% decrease in total cholesterol/HDL-cholesterol from baseline to week 4.

  6. I wonder how they did wrestling with sugar cravings when they got back home? I have sugar cravings throughout the day, but have been eating well for years, decades. I have soy milk, soup boullion cubes, and bread (meets the rule of 5 , video below) as my only processed foods. Yes I am eating enough calories, and no fruit does not help.

    I have been scouring youtube for hints on getting rid of cravings. I’ll post again if I find something.

    1. First, are you getting enough Magnesium?

      I say that because I craved chocolate until I dealt with Magnesium.

      I don’t get too many sweet cravings, but when I do: frozen fruit with dark cacao or one date or one square of very dark cacao or even eating a salad with my salad dressing, which has orange juice in it all work.

      Are you craving a Snickers Bar or are you craving date syrup?

      1. When I first started WFPB, I bought a package of dates and ate 1 per day and bought a 95% cacao bar and those were all the sweets I needed.

          1. ok, I found a couple of interesting ones. increasing Heart rate variability helps strengthen willpower

            How to quit sugar

            How to quit sugar, 7 steps.

            Having watched a slew of documentaries last weekend on the topics of obesity, addictions, food deserts etc. I can see that I am not the only one with a sweet tooth. Maybe these resources have some good ideas.

          2. Deb I make date cacao balls in the food processor. Sometimes, depending availability I’ll add some finger lime or lime juice etc. yesterday I added four cumquats. My favourite so far

            1. Betty, those date cacao balls sound yummy.

              I haven’t been doing things like those or like the frozen banana nice cream.

              I think mostly because I was a chocoholic for decades and I was an ice cream-a-holic and I was a sweets of all types-a-holic.

              When I ate breakfast, it would be donuts, eclairs, cinnamon rolls, pop-tarts or Hostess products from a convenience store many times.

              I haven’t craved any sweets since I got my Nutrition up. I feel like I don’t want to mess with it.

              I do put some honey in my yogurt with blueberries is where I have started having a sugar form, but that is to get me to eat the blueberries and heal my brain and I am really, really, really enjoying my blueberries and blackberries that way, so I am sticking with it, but I have an internal, “Note to self” to watch and see if I do start craving sugar from having it.

              Barb, that video is so great! I learned the breathing techniques from the chiropractors 2 years ago, but that video is explaining why to do it in a way where I think I will up my will-power and get work done more efficiently.

              1. “I do put some honey in my yogurt ”
                – – – – –

                Deb, as you say you do not eat dairy, I assume you mean a no-dairy brand. What would be that brand? I’d be curious to see what ingredients they put in it.

                1. Forager unsweetened.

                  It isn’t perfect. I have watched videos of people making their own, but sick dogs and sick relatives and sick friends and incessantly researching brain studies have sucked up my free time.

                  Cashewmilk (Filtered Water, Cashews*), Tapioca Starch*, Pectin, Coconut Cream*, Locust Bean Gum*, Agar, Live Active Cultures. *Organic.

                    1. YR,

                      Yeah, I get that.

                      I just am not ready to make my own and the blueberries are helping my brain and I am starting to have an inner sense of enjoying them and that has taken over a year and a half.

                      I don’t want to blow it with the blueberries.

                2. YR (Yeah Right),

                  I make my own yogurt, from soy milk (store bought, made only from water and organic soybeans, no other ingredients) and starter culture. (I do add a bit of maple syrup; I like the flavor.). I buy a vegan brand of yogurt starter culture, but some folks use from 1-3 probiotic capsule contents. Stir well, and incubate at 110 F for about 12 hours. Refrigerate. Done.

                  Easier than making it from dairy milk, which needs to be pre-heated then cooled before adding the yogurt culture; soy milk has already been cooked, so no need to preheat. Though preheating might make an even firmer yogurt.

                  So, total ingredients are water, soybeans, starter culture. (And maple syrup in my case.) Like you, I prefer to avoid additives, and the fewer the better.

          3. I agree with you Deb. My sweet tooth craving is satisfied with 1 square of 95% cacoa. (that’s how it’s spelt in Aust). Love it and look forward to it – and no one else can stand the taste!

        1. I hated chocolate when I consumed a sugar diet. Since I have eliminated all sugar from my diet, when I get a craving, I eat 85% dark chocolate and wow it helps! It is sweet enough to curb the cravings. So I guess it all depends what you are used to.

      2. Thanks Deb, yes, I take magnesium. I will get some more raisins, and maybe some figs or something like Blair suggested. Raisins are pretty good thrown into curried rice, cole slaw, oatmeal and other recipes too.

        I get cravings a lot over the past few years, and know what a powerful addiction sugar can be. I think it can be a real obstacle to people (my friends particularly) trying out wfpb so I want to find some helpful resources.

        1. Barb,

          There was a video I watched and it said that food cravings are generally related to nutritional deficiencies of some sort or another.

          They gave the concept of “if you crave chocolate, you are probably low or out of balance with Magnesium” so I went and bought some Magnesium and never had a chocolate craving again.

          I did try the cacao and I was afraid that it would drag me back in, but if anything, it is protective.

          I am not sure if “Nice cream” might trigger something. It may not. I just know that I mentally have a reality that I eat cake 4 or 5 birthdays and usually a wedding and something at Thanksgiving and Christmas and those are my junk food now.

          I used to eat candy all day long. Snack size candy, but I would eat sugary things every 2 hours.

          A few of the diets I did were just chocolate based. Shakes and Nutritional Ice Creams and nutritional candy bars, Slim Fast, Atkins, Special K, Power Bars. I did them all and those were easy ones to do.

          So when you speak about sugar cravings and sugar addictions, I definitely would have fit that bill.

          I was utterly shocked that Magnesium worked.

          I was also a soda addict and never thought I could get free. I was up to over 2 liters a day and now, I drink that on the holidays and birthdays, too.

          Maybe 8 times per year. Maybe 10 if bridal showers are thrown in.

          It is all gone. Fruit, particularly dates, helped me. So did Cacao.

          If my parents had given us Cacao when we were young and called it, “Chocolate” we would never have understood what everybody else was doing that they were becoming addicts.

          1. Barb,

            I am going to ask if you are seeing sweets or adds for sweets or smelling them?

            I say it because I am not lying that I lost the food addictions, but when Dr. Greger put up the candy, pot wrappers, I went from someone who doesn’t crave candy or pot and I wanted to move someplace and eat one of each. Something in the color of the packaging and it was a very vivid almost Halloween as a child wanting to taste one of everything experience.

            It helps that pot isn’t legal where I live and that I know that I would probably die if I binged on every flavor of pot candy, but that video is one I won’t watch again. No, I didn’t buy a Reeses. I do not crave them ever. I don’t crave soda ever.

            I watched a Bright Lines video and realize that I would have thought I was one of them, but I seem to be able to do small doses of sugar and soda and it doesn’t draw me back in and I broke off of the junk food before I found Dr. Greger and WFPB. That was just getting my nutrition up.

            1. You have done so great Deb! I think we have developed ‘tools’ to deal with our cravings without even realising it. Recognising where/when we are vulnerable to slip ups is important. I try to do most of my shopping at the fruit stand so I don’t have to walk past aisles of baked goods. I only shop for produce, soy milk and cleaning supplies anyway!

              I’m going to make some chia pudding tomorrow and shop for a few things like dates or maybe figs to have on hand. Most of the time I am ok, but when I am overtired, stressed, or depressed, I start thinking about sweet foods.

              1. “…..but when I am overtired, stressed, or depressed, I start thinking about sweet foods.”
                – – – – –

                Barb, you know how to pace yourself so you don’t get overtired, don’t you? Are you ever able to take a short 15-20 minute nap during the afternoon? I need my daily nap! :-)

                Seems to me you said you meditate every day too. I remember we both said how long we could sit there without breathing….almost a minute or so. That should help with your stress, shouldn’t it? And remember to take long deep breaths whenever you think of it. Your walking after every meal should help too. (And of course I’m always enthusing over my rebounder; maybe get yourself one?)

                As for feeling depressed: If you don’t have what they call clinical depression, I can see that the dreading of upcoming events could put you in a funk. I think you said you have some thumb surgery scheduled for sometime this summer. But it too will pass! Your mind-body will be eager to help you with the healing process. :-)

                Whenever I’m sitting in my dentist’s torture chair *shudder* I sing this song to myself. I posted the link earlier in another thread:


                  1. Wow, that was powerful, YR!

                    Mental health is such a big deal.

                    I have people around me who I am worried about with depression.

                    My friend and her husband are both unemployed right now and she is about to lose unemployment and he needed 2 surgeries and her unemployment is too much for him to get on Medicare. They are going to have over $100,000 in debt.

                    I see so many people going through things like that. Situations like that do cause depression. They already were stressed about the jobs and their mortgage. I am praying that they don’t go homeless.

                1. Thank you for your encouragement YR! Yes, stressful is putting it mildly with what we have going on around here, but I consider it almost miraculous that I manage to focus on healthy habits just the same. I don’t wait til I feel li,e it to meditate, I do it anyway. Same with walking, or making healthy meals in advance, yoga and gym class, whatever it is. Consistency is key for me. Sleep is hard to come by, but I grab a nap when I can. And yes, this too shall pass!

                  I love the song, ty!

              2. I was watching a TED Talk and he started talking about will-power.

                He was talking about the concept of 100% commitment is easier than 98% and about how will-power is basically “decision-fatigue” where we haven’t made decisions, so when we walk past a bakery, we don’t know whether we will walk in.


                It was interesting, though I will say that having an internal rule of “no sweets and no soda except birthdays and holidays” is how I stopped having “decision-fatigue” it is a clear rule and that is working for me so I don’t have to think about it. I already made the decisions and I haven’t been having trouble following it.

                I am amazed at how well it is working.

                I think I am afraid of doing a 100% process because “my inner perfectionist” always “gave up” during diets.

                But I really, really, really understand the concept of “decision-fatigue” and my 8-1/2 year old pal is the one who tries to get me to change my mind and I feel like if I messed with my current rules, I might suddenly be confused.

                I know that from experience.

                It has happened before.

                1. It’s Five O’Clock somewhere is an example of “decision-fatigue” where suddenly the brain has to decide whether that “rule” is settled or not. Once you cross the line, it becomes that you have to make the decision over and over again.

    2. “Yes I am eating enough calories, and no fruit does not help.”
      – – – – –

      Barb, are you saying that you do not eat any fresh fruit? If so, why would that be? Fresh fruit would certainly satisfy a sweet tooth, IMO.

      As for your cravings for sweet foods, am wondering what you do about it. Do you give in and eat….well, what do you eat in such a case? It’s one thing to (merely?) crave and another to give in to “temptation.” Sugar really doesn’t do a body good! (But you already know that.)

      1. Hey, YR, I sure do eat fruit and lots of it. Maybe 5 servings/day depending on the day and the season. I don’t give in and buy sugary foods Y R, just crave it all the time even though we eat very well and generally have enough. I am glad I spent time watching some of the documentaries last weekend. It helps to understand how our environment exacerbates the problem.

        Maybe the topic is out of the scope of NutritionFacts, but there are people who look at me as if I’m crazy to even want to eat wfpb so I thought I’d learn more about food addictions.

        1. “… and no fruit does not help.”

          – – – – –

          Okay, I interpreted that to mean you ate “no fruit.” But you say you do, so……

          1. I did a very poor job writing that sentence YR! Should have said something like : And no, eating fresh fruit does not seem to pacify my sweet tooth cravings.

  7. Hmmm…. I tried to leave comments before, but here goes.

    I learned recently that roasted peanuts have higher AGE (advanced glycation end products) values than raw. Are roasted nuts to be avoided? In the paleo world, I suspect that nuts weren’t roasted.

    1. I think that it is worth commenting at this point, that just because a food is Paleo, it doesn’t mean that it is healthy. Yes, diets eaten in the Paleolithic were probably on average significantly less unhealthy than the Standard Western/Amerucan Diet …. but less unhealthy isn’t the same thing as healthy. They were possibly healthier than diets in the Neolithic (when farming became widespread etc). On the other hand the human population expanded with farming which indicates a clear survival advantage compared to Paleolithic diets .. or conversely greater mortality with Paleolithic diets.

      Evolution and adaptation to the environment don’t always select for healthy longevity in idividuals. It’s about the survival of the species. For example, sickle cell disease is advantageous on balance since it improves survival in regions where malaria is endemic. But it doesn’t promote healthy longevity. Eating meat is advantageous because it allowed our ancestors to access a high calorie foodstuff and expand their range to areas/environments where plant foods were not abundant. But meat eating doesn’t promote healthy longevity (assuming one is already consuming sufficient calories and has a nutritionally adequate diet).

      For my part, I am more concerned about what the science has to say about diets and lifestyles that promote healthy longevity, than just following the many different diets that allowed our ancestors to survive simply because they were paleo. I think that is a fascinating topic but identifying a food as paleo doesn’t automatically make it eat in more or less unlimited quantities).

  8. Hello, I have a question – do you have an article or citation on the paucity of bean consumption cited here “more than 96 percent of Americans not even reaching the minimum recommended amount.” I read through the linked article and found that the measurement was for “meat and beans” together and then the legumes were listed only after the minimum amount was reached. It was unclear how “meat and beans” were measured (100% consumption of meat, 0% beans, 50/50?). The study said most people actually met the minimum standard for “meat and beans” but with no breakdown of how they divided that up it is hard to find. I tried a quick google search on the 96% stat and could not find anything.

    Also, just up front – I am a big believer in Dr. Gregger. I eat beans every day and have almost eliminated animal protein from my diet. I’m off my BP medication after 17 years and couldn’t be happier – I would appreciate any extra detail or insights on those cited statistics because they are so dramatic and the impact on my personal health has been nothing short of miraculous.

    thank you and keep up the great work!

  9. The problem with eating mammalian meat and dairy does not only an issue of saturated fat. There is well substantiated evidence that Neu5Gc, which all mammals but humans have, elicits an immune response and provides a mechanism for the increased risk of hearts attacks and cancers.

    For a recent update, cf.

    Red meat is by far the most concentrated source of Neu5Gc but diary also has it, perhaps in significant amounts. It seems rather rare in poultry and fish.


  10. Okay, my question for Dr. Greger is that he is going to take a stand for legumes, but not mention whole grains, which Paleo also doesn’t eat, are beans “life and death” and do whole grains fall in a different category for you? Optional? Do you put them with the white potato? I am asking because I do not yet know where I put them in my own life.

      1. Thanks for saying that. It is the one thing on the daily dozen, which I tend to not remember is even on the list.

        I am not anti-whole grain. It is more that I used to be more addicted to refined grains and intentionally threw the baby out with the bathwater and whole grains generally require something like an Instapot, which I hate, and my other brand cooker died after a few months.

        My stupid instapot doesn’t have a manual setting. It has a knob, which dials between the machines so-called intuitive settings, but the “rice” setting is the wrong time even for their own rice recipe. Someone tried to make the rice recipe from the instapot’s cookbook with the intuitive settings on the instapot and that is the man who showed me that a “cup” of rice means a different thing than a “cup” of anything else and that, on top of that, you can’t use their rice setting,

        Yes, there is someone else out there who is like me.

        1. Deb,

          I have an Instant Pot with a knob, and I LOVE it.

          I use very few of the pre-set functions, and instead mostly use the “manual” button; this allows me to select the time, pressure, and whether the “keep warm” function is on or off.

          Then I follow the cooking charts in the pressure cooking cookbooks by Jill Nussinow (an RD who has been teaching vegan cooking and eating for 30+ years): “The New Fast Food” and “Vegan Under Pressure.” The cooking charts contain instructions for cooking beans (soaked or unsoaked), grains and rice, and vegetables; the amount of water, pressure, and time, plus release (quick or natural) are included for each entry. Her recipes are quite good also; fairly easy, and usually simple, made mostly from ingredients I keep on hand. Either book (or both) are worth the money. There is general information about pressure cooking at the beginning of each book.

          I can’t imagine my life without my IP; it literally changed the way we eat. For example, I could never cook quinoa on the stove top; now, it’s easy, and comes out perfectly each time. I would burn polenta, and it would be lumpy with stovetop cooking — but perfect cooked in the IP. Beans are now much easier to prepare. Plus, the IP is energy efficient and keeps my house much cooler in the summer (we have no AC). I’m even considering getting a second one. And I rarely use my gas cooktop any more.

          Oh, yes, I’ve never used the rice setting; I use the pressure setting, and follow the cooking chart instructions for the specific type of rice (brown long grain or basmati, etc). Perfect every time!

          1. Where is your pressure setting?

            Do you have buttons or a knob, which cycles through the options?

            Most of the recipes use “manual button” which mine doesn’t have.

            1. What I will tell you is that by the end, I was using the inner sleeve of the Instapot, which is very convenient, I was mixing my ingredients, filling a bowl and microwaving a serving size for dinner and putthg the rest in the freezer or fridge without touching the instapot other than the big sleeve.

    1. Laughing.

      I am not going to provoke John with comments.

      I am not against whole grains.

      I just expected them to be in the Paleo blog.

  11. Deb, the intro page to the grains topic gives some good info on what grains do for us. Also, whole grains are a featured category on Dr Greger’s Daily Dozen list and have their own chapter in his book “How Not to Die” starting on page 369….

    “people who eat whole grains tend to live significantly longer lives independent of other dietary and lifestyle factors”.

  12. The longest Paleo study was 300,000 years long, not 3 months.

    That our sickly modern scientists have not figured that out doesn’t matter.

    What does matter is this: after grain became frequent enough to become a reliable food staple due to farming, dental health went to hell in a hand cart. That is the fossil record. The evidence.

    Health restoration never includes grain whether it’s whole, refined, striped or speckled with polka dots.

    When you embark on a health restoration regimen, the first things you are told is to eliminate dairy and grain of any description from your diet.

    Guess what? It works.

    Both dairy and grains are forms of glue. They are known as mucus forming and have been since 1922.

    That does not mean these foods cause our bodies to generate excess mucus. Dairy and grain ARE mucus once mixed with saliva.

    Don’t take my word for this. LOOK IT UP!

    It’s hard to believe so many otherwise intelligent people have problems getting their heads around this very BASIC physics reality.

    Once these foods become glue in our systems they are a form of mucus that is completely different in many ways from the mucus we secrete ourselves.

    Most of you probably think mucus is just mucus. Well get over it. Our bodies secrete specific mucus for many different functions. One recipe does not fit all requirements. To think so is to short change your second seat of intelligence – your digestive tract.

    Not only that, we secrete mucus in a constantly modifying formula that changes as the food we eat digests and travels through our bodies.

    You won’t be able to look that up because I made it up. The reason I made it up was because I got sick and tired of waiting for scientists to figure out how to stumble on the process.

    Well they are hopelessly mired in trying to figure out how to study mucus and how it works in such primitive terms that I had to figure it out. They are still years away from figuring out what happens when mucus from dairy/grain mucous meets our mucous that is a completely different viscosity, acid/alkalinity composition, chemical make up and the fact that secreted mucus is alive and ingested mucus is dead before we ingest it.

    Both forms of mucus share a common trait – they are water-insoluble. Our bodies do NOT like foreign water-insoluble mucus – especially when it shows up as a blob coating everything else we ate. Foreign mucus causes havoc in our intestinal tracts.

    Besides that scientists use rodent intestines that are grain friendly to do their studies to justify why Big Food can be allowed to continue to convince people eat fake grain based food. That’s kind of like using yellow paint to prove lemons are yellow. Yes they are yellow but they aren’t painted yellow.

    So concluding that grain was a staple in the Paleo Diet based on residues in rocks is a stunning leap of faith by people who want it to be true and will go to great lengths to continue to believe it. Sort of like believing in God, only this time the evidence is right there. We build monuments to this stupidity just like we do for God who wishes we didn’t destroy the environment to build churches. We don’t call them churches though. We call them hospitals. People donate money to them much as they do in church. This is a better racket than churches these days though because the crime involved is all sanctioned by legislation globally. Who doesn’t like buttered toast?

    Use a few brain cells to think about how long it would take to gather grain that is growing wild. Have you ever picked wild raspberries? They grow at an easier height to pick than grain would have at like 18” high maybe.

    Regardless, it takes a long time. Then you pound it on a rock. Have you ever tried that? It takes a looong time to end up with enough to feed a gang of 12 hungry Paleo humans who are bigger and stronger than you with a better appetite.

    Having done that you boil it in your skin bag over a much better fire than the artist provided above so the bag wouldn’t catch fire. Plus you have to keep replacing the mud that you coated the bag with so it wouldn’t burn through before the grain cooked. Now how do you eat it without any utensils? Sticking your fingers in the hot mush is not going to provide anyone with a bowl of anything substantial.

    Hopefully they had bowls made out of ostrich eggs. Maybe they cooked in ostrich eggs. Wouldn’t that add a lovely flavour? You had to drink your grain, not chew it.

    Then there’s geography and climate.

    Grain doesn’t grow just anywhere and then there’s the seasonality. If the climate isn’t right the grain could not grow. So grain didn’t grow everywhere luckily.

    The bottom line for me is that grain caused and still causes major dental problems even with modern dental care. Dental problems were sort of over come in some areas of Switzerland and possibly other areas too where the Paleo Diet persisted into the 1930s. But even so, there were other factors present in those communities that did not exist 105,000 years ago.

    Yes grains are Paleo because they were around then and we humans ate whatever would keep us alive. But grain was no snack food back then. Grain was long hard work for negligible return until wheat was domesticated. Once it was, the dental wreckage set in and has been with us ever since.

    As for lentils, that was more hard work until pottery was invented and that didn’t happen until we passed from Paleo to Neolithic.

    I think beans would have been eaten as a portable snack food that could be carried and eaten raw. We have no fossil evidence one way or the other.

    This issue cannot be discussed without taking teeth and bone structure into account. Once grain appeared on the menu, we got shorter, weaker, sicker and have been ever since.

    Civilization could not have happened without grain but adding it to our menu is still the biggest dietary mistake we ever made and made worse when we added dairy and sealed our fates. Grain farming was the defining moment in human history and that’s how our calendar should be articulated. Nothing else compares.

    You can do all the research you like but fossils beat constipated scientists every time.

      1. YR, your question is worded hilariously!

        My question is: should we look for the book in the science fiction section of Barnes & Noble?

        1. Yes, probably science fiction. Or maybe humor or memoir.

          After the book has been on the market for a month or so, I’d look for it on the Remainder Table at B&N. Marked off at maybe 80%. :-)

    1. Dear John Newell,

      “Both dairy and grains are forms of glue. They are known as mucus forming and have been since 1922.”

      I have been waiting for somebody to come along on this forum and reference Prof. Arnold Ehret (which I am presuming you are doing). Thanks for that. He had it all figured out well before most. Even his theory on ‘acid vs. alkaline’ forming foods, cancer, and other disease. Not a doctor, and not even a scientist. Just a guy with poor health through the process of elimination figured out what science is telling us today.

      1. Yeah, it is always more fascinating when the non-scientists make scientific theories.

        Ehret held a number of fascinating beliefs.
        He believed that the body was not dependent on food for energy.
        White blood cells cause disease.
        Lungs pump blood, the heart is just a valve.
        Mental illness comes from gas pressure on the brain
        Fasting can cure insanity.
        Eating rice causes leprosy.
        Dandruff is dried mucus.
        Eating a mucus-free diet, the body never sweats.
        Gonorrhea is caused by eating mucus foods.
        Hairless persons are sexually inferior.
        The white race is un-natural.
        The white skin color comes from white blood clogging the system.

        He fasted over 100 days one year.

        I saw someone on the cancer site on the internet who said that he was up to 70-something days of water fasting. That is an awfully long time.

        1. Deb,

          You are correct about all those (oddball) things that Erhet claimed. I guess I just read past them and stuck to the ‘plants only’ and fasting parts. 14 days has been my longest and I always like to fast while living outside in the mountains or on some remote coast, go to bed with the sun/get up with the sun.

          1. LG King,

            Yes, he had some things right, but the problem with him as a leader is that he had some things wrong and people tend to follow leaders.

            There is a group of “plant-eaters” which keep failing and that is from the extreme communities and his being extreme is why he concerns me as a leader.

            He became an extreme Fruitarian, based on wrong science, rather than a Whole Food Plant-Based Vegan.

            That is the group, which consistently seems to be leaving Vegan altogether by the end and I feel like, if beans and whole grains and vegetables are important, he may have missed

  13. I saw my cousin tonight and he has been in a rehab facility. He goes home tomorrow.

    Without me bringing up the topic, he said the same thing my friend did. He said that the rehab doesn’t serve foods with Diabetes in mind.

    He said that during this time, he had been put on 3 different pills all of which has steroids and they got his blood sugar up to 900. He went back to the ER, and the hospital put him on ridiculously high levels of insulin and other diabetes meds. Then, he went back to the rehab, and got off some of the steroids and his insulin went down, but he found out that they never would lower the insulin or other meds.

    They put him in a coma and even after they gave him glucagon, he didn’t come right back. He went back to the ER and the episode had permanent negative effects. He went back to the rehab and felt like, “Finally, now we are all on the same page” and they did it again, but this time, he didn’t go unconscious with it and he couldn’t get an aide to bring him orange juice. They wanted to talk to a doctor first. Now, he was so frustrated that he asked to see how much insulin they were giving and they were still going to give the same amount and he asked why and they said, “Because that is what the hospital doctor said to give.”

    1. He is so with it and understands exactly what steroids do and how much insulin to dose based on how much food, etc.

      He has the math in his head and is still as sharp as a tack.

      This same thing happened at the other rehab last time.

  14. I am still trying to save chili powder from being toppled.

    I got up to the countries with the highest Alzheimer’s and they are: Finland, United States, Canada, Iceland, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, and Belgium.

    When I went to which countries use the most chilis, they defaulted to “spiciest food” and the answer was:

    India, Sri Lanka, Mexico, China, Thailand, Tunisia, Malaysia, Ethiopia, Bhutan, Jamaica

      1. Tom,

        Okay, I will look it up again.

        I am aware that there are different answers out there.

        I get confused about which resources to trust for data. Some are probably older.

        This might have been it because I copied the countries and Googled and this has the order I gave. It doesn’t mean that I used that source, but it could have been.

        Here is a site comparing countries in Europe.

        I can compare that one to the site you gave.

          1. Looking at studies in China

            There is one between 1990 and 2010

            with 6357 cases of Alzheimer’s total

            of whom 3543 had vascular dementia, frontotemporal dementia, or Lewy body dementia

            Later, they said that other rare forms of dementia were 0·46 cases per 1000 person-years.

            Alzheimer’s disease 1.9%, vascular dementia 0.9%, and total dementia 3.0%. Vascular Dementia was significantly higher in Northern China than in Southern China and in urban compared to rural areas.

              1. Yes, I suspect that I have both, but that is based on the diet I was eating and the fact that I can’t smell things out of my left nostril and the degree of brain breakdown I had.

          2. Thanks Deb but the source it provides for that claim doesn’t actually support the list of countries that it gives.

            The cource it cites is the one I quoted above.

            1. Yes, the wrote a list, but the link they provide is the site you gave, where the names are different.

              Fascinating that they say that they “corrected” the order and didn’t provide evidence of their order at all.

    1. Okay, so

      Tunisia is 6th worst rate in the world. Wow, they are one to look at.
      Sri Lanka is 85 and China 73 and Thailand 56 and Malaysia 45 are not the worst, but not good.
      Bhutan 98, Ethiopia 114 are better, but only fair.
      India is 124 is 1 point away from being called good.
      Jamaica 160 and Mexico 175 are in the good category.

      Most of those don’t mean all that much to me, but

      Mexico is in the good category and that might say something about chili.

      1. Mexico may be a hint to something.

        My theory was that chili would be protective against vascular, but a risk factor for environmental and through that channel, a risk factor for the Homocysteine/glutamate/ synapse one.

      2. I thought about the countries who use chili’s most and only 1 has a very bad rate, but I think it is only one or two which have very good rates.

        I decided to compare it to countries which eat the most turmeric to put it in perspective.

      3. It is worth remembering that dementia prevalence and dementia death rates are two separate things.

        Many people with dementia might actually die of heart disease, cancer or infectious diseases for example. Or ’cause of death’ reporting practices might vary significantly between countries. .

        I wouldn’t place too much stock in country by country international comparisons even if they use age-standardised death rates. There are just too many differences. For example people in wealthy Western countries might be less likely to die of infections, heart disease etc because they have better health systems.

        1. Yes.

          Education, particularly early childhood education is something where wealthier people have an advantage and there are studies correlations between low education and Alzheimer’s in some locations. Though Brazil didn’t have either education or socioeconomic factors correlated.

          Brain plasticity should be the mechanism related to education. Better educated people should have stronger neural pathways.

          Brazil maybe the education is less diverse and maybe wealthy people didn’t Westernize their diets.

  15. Okay, can someone help me with this?

    Here is the data from Alzheimer’s rates, which I am linking to the study, because they mentioned 2 specific places where 1 out of 3 people eat spicy food every single day.

    In certain regions of China, such as Sichuan and Hunan, almost one in three adults consume spicy food every day

    I think those places have lower Alzheimer’s but at least one of them seems to be on the chart twice and I don’t understand.

    1. Yes, some regions are mentioned twice. That is because it is data for different years eg 2016 data for Gansu and 2010 data for gansu.

        1. Oh, I forgot, I looked up Alzheimer’s and poor people and they mostly don’t get it.

          I guess I have to look up Hunan and see if they had a very large jump in it in the years before 2000.

          Either they just started using chili powder or it will be environment or somehow a wealthy diet ingredient just made it to the poor. Maybe a charity shows up to feed them?

          1. They had a similar big jump in GNP and they are known for harvesting tea, so that is another potential lead source and the GNP going up is what is correlated with Alzheimer’s most.

            So why did the poor ones get it?

                1. Well, pipeline would increase the blood brain barrier crossing of every other contaminated thing.

                  For us it would be Pesticides, aluminum, can linings, etc.

                  There is s risk factor which caused their poor people to get it when poor people don’t.

                  The obvious lessen is to not overdo it with chili, but are they the mechanism or is pipeline the mechanism.

                  1. I think my final answer, at least until the next data comes out is that:

                    Eating chili is linked to improved mortality, and there are a lot of mechanisms, which it helps, but there is wisdom to staying beneath the 50 grams and there is wisdom to attempt to lower your exposure to toxins, particularly when you are eating spicy food.

                    If you are out to dinner and eating at a non-organic salad bar and drinking green tea, which could be from China or Japan (Have their teas been tested lately?) Maybe that is the time to not order chili.

              1. Tom,

                Thanks so much! That is very helpful!

                And, yes, except that it is the poor people with low BMI being pointed to in that study, the other chart I looked at, it makes sense that the wealthier people Westernized.

                Dr Bredesen breaks Alzheimer’s into subtypes. It is subtype 2, which I have to look at.much more. Subtype 3 fits.

                Subtype 1 is an inflammatory subtype of Alzheimer’s disease.

                Characterized by systemic inflammation reflected in a high-sensitivity C-reactive protein, low albumin: globulin ratio, and high cytokine levels such as interleukin-1 and interleukin-6.

                Subtype 2 would be the atrophic subtype of Alzheimer’s disease — a reduction in support for synaptogenesis.

                A type characterized by an atrophic profile, with reduced support from molecules such as estradiol, progesterone, brain-derived neurotrophic factor, nerve growth factor (NGF), testosterone, insulin, and vitamin D, often accompanied by increased homocysteine and insulin resistance, and glucotoxicity.

                The third subtype, he considers the cortical subtype — an environmental toxin-related type associated with chronic Inflammatory response syndrome (CIRS) that presents with more general cerebral atrophy and frontal-temporal-parietal abnormalities, resulting in an emphasis on executive deficits, rather than the more amnestic quality of hippocampal impairment.

                1. The things from the second subtype, which I would put question marks by would be Homocysteine, Omega 3 related to Nerve Growth Factor.

                  When I looked up things like estradiol, they spoke about fiber, and when I looked up Brain-derived neurotrophic factor, they were talking about high fats and sugar.

                    1. I am realizing that I might not be intelligent enough to grasp these things. Or educated enough.

                      I am not sure which.

                      I keep trying to learn and keep trying to learn and it feels like it is always just outside of my mental comprehension.

                      I feel like I am getting there and, yes, never quite arriving.

          2. Deb, not quite sure I follow the chili topic but that’s ok. Chili powder (as we know it) is a mixture of spices whereas cayenne pepper is powdered chili peppers. Here is Dr Greger’s blog about Alzheimer’s incidence around the globe

            It’s interesting ( and scary!) to see the sharp increases in people suffering Alzheimer’s, but maybe not so surprising given the rapid spread of the western unhealthy diet in asia, africa. Also interesting is that grains appear to be protective as mentioned in the blog and accompanying videos.

            1. Barb,

              I will have to look up grains.

              The chili when used in 50 mg (I think that was the amount) increased Alzheimer’s in the poor community in China.

              They emphasized the poor, low BMI people, but Hunan had a large increase in GNP and there was a chart I saw where Alzheimer’s increased in every group, except the poor, and most in the wealthiest.

              Hunan increasing GNP should have had an increase in Alzheimer’s, and it did, but they are only talking about the low BMI poor people. It should have said rates increased with the wealthiest and the poor or across the board and it surprised them to see it in the poor.

              I looked at all of the causes of Alzheimer’s mentioned by the Sherzai’s and chili should have improved almost all of it and should be protective against Alzheimer’s unless it is tainted or eaten with meat.

              It was in China, and probably was tainted, but in Hunan where 1/3 of the people eat spicy foods, the answer should be there.

              That data is important.

              1. Low BMI means I can’t pin it on meat.

                They are more likely to be vegans not supplementing B12.

                But still chili at dose amounts made them more likely to get it.

                It won’t be vascular type of Alzheimer’s.

                To think.

                Trying to remember the other type.

                1. I am figuring low B12, lead in tea and spices, pesticides, etc. Leading to anemia, leading to high Homocysteine, leading to high glutamate and chili maybe messing up synapses and raising glutamate directly.

                  Piperine bringing things like lead into the brain.

                  If the whole community had a high bump in GNP and Alzheimer’s and the rich people didn’t get it, even though 1/3 of the whole eats high spices, then there is a second mystery.

                  1. I haven’t gone back to Bredesens types of Alzheimer’s or Dr Fuhrman’s DHA supplementing.

                    I would think it would be some of us who have something to learn by it.

                    Versus the Keto crowd.

                2. Sorry Deb but the study didn’t show that ‘chili at dose amounts made them more likely to get it.’ The study only demonstrated an association not causation.

                  As mentioned previously, it may even be reverse causation. That is, loss of taste resulting from Alzheimer’s caused people to use more chili because they could no longer taste chili in small amiounts,

                  1. Yes, you are right about that.

                    Still, I feel like I am making a decision that chili could genuinely be a risk factor if there are environmental toxins (and it might genuinely be protective in other cases) and that is all the information I have right now to make my life decisions.

                    It is easy to focus so much on the mechanisms that I end up putting cause back in the equation.

                    There are mechanisms where it could harm my brain and there are mechanisms where it could help my brain and I am trying to learn about the mechanisms, so this was a useful exercise for me.

                    Sorry to the moderators and Dr. Greger, who obviously already know the science and do not need my mental gymnastics.

                    1. Possibly. However, there are other possible explanationns for the association.

                      For example, spicy Sichuan cuisine contains many pork and fried dishes. It also uses a fair bit of chili oil – which is 9probably cheap hydrogenated oil?).

                      in other words, chili consumption in China may be a marker for high fat diets … which would explain why the poor people were fat. Just as in the US many poor people are overweght because they eat high fat fried foods.

                      Assuming that the association between chili consumption and Alzheimer’s in China is causal, is a step too far to mind. It could equally well be reverse causation or confounded by uncontroled factors like fat and/or meay consumption. I regard the latter explanations as possibly more likely given the neuroporotective effects shown in other studies eg of capsaicin.

              2. Fascinating Deb! Thank you for the explanation! You did get me reviewing videos and blogs that NF has on the topic, but the chili connection appears to be a slightly different issue. Maybe your idea about contamination is on the mark.

                While I was cruising around, bbc had this article
                and this
                I’ll have to check at our library for the Sherzai’s book.

                They are working on blood testing for diagnosing Alzheimer’s, and they discovered a new type of dementia.

                1. That is so interesting.

                  The synapse researcher thinks that it is an overactive microglia trying to clean up the proteins which is more important because it messes with the synapses.

                  She got me to stop the gamma blinking light and sound.

                  I do suspect the brain cleaning helps up to the point when the synapses start being the problem.

                  1. I was looking up foods with Thiamine. If we eat spicy foods, we probably need more nuts or oats or legumes or oranges.

                    The oranges being on the list brings me back to a study Dr Greger used recently and oranges were higher than blueberries and it was correlational, but I was trying to figure what oranges could offer to the cognitive equation of the brain and thiamine is something.

                    1. YR,

                      Yes, when I am trying to learn, I overthink, but I think brain plasticity works that way.

                      Tonight, I am learning that post-menopausal women’s brains run on Ketones.

                      Estrogen helps maintain the brain’s energy metabolism by increasing glucose transport and glycolysis. As estrogen wanes, the female’s brain becomes uncoupled from the glucose metabolism pathway. It begins to use ketone bodies as its primary source of energy.

                      That is interesting to me. I remember when I was a younger woman, I spoke with an older woman and she said that when you reach menopause, women often begin to feel like they are going crazy mentally and then it gets better post-menopause. Ketone bodies? Possibly?

                      The article was about Estrogen therapy being linked to brain atrophy in women with diabetes. I had been trying to figure out the “atrophy” category,, which I didn’t like because it had hormones, homocysteine and it would be where Type 1.5 Diabetes type of Alzheimer’s is listed. I wanted to separate Homocysteine from Diabetes and I had no idea what to do with the hormones, but they have to stay with Diabetes. I don’t know if Homocysteine has to stay with those, too. Low B Vitamins being the cause of Homocysteine issues so often, I want to separate Homocysteine and Glutamate to their own category.

                      “Among older women with diabetes for whom the glucose-based energy metabolism promoted by estrogen is already compromised, this downregulation of alternative energy sources may lead to increased atrophy of gray matter, which has a greater metabolic demand relative to white matter,” Dr. Hugenschmidt and her colleagues wrote in a paper published in Neurology

                      Yes, you may be right, YR, I have all these concepts which I am trying to learn by myself and someday, Dr. Greger might do chili in China. It is highly likely that he will do it so that I don’t have to, but I might want to eat chili by then and he may not teach the Alzheimer’s mechanisms.

      1. January.

        You got me thinking, The comments section here was originally based on WordPress software and required people to open a WordPress account. When NF ditched WordPress, it must have still carried over the links to people’s WordPress IDs for some reason.

        So I tracked down my old WordPress account yesterday and updated the ID photo …. and, hey presto.

    1. Does this sentence mean that the women’s brains use both Ketones and Glucose, but the more Ketones versus glucose the more incipient Alzheimer’s?

      Further, persons with incipient AD exhibit a utilization ratio of 2:1 glucose to alternative fuel, whereas comparably aged controls exhibit a ratio of 29:1, whereas young controls exclusively use glucose as with a ratio of 100:0

      1. I read a post by a man whose sisters and brother went Keto and lost weight, but they all developed dementia symptoms shortly after.

  16. It’s so hard to find accurate information these days with all of the things being shared on social media that aren’t backed by science. I’m so glad I was able to find your website! Paleo seems so difficult to stick with.

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