Lead Contamination in Fish & Game

Lead Contamination in Fish & Game
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Most hunters may not be aware about the health risks related to consuming meat from animals shot with lead ammunition.

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I’m often asked in lectures if microwaves are safe, to which I respond: not if you drop them on your foot. But otherwise, it matters what you’re putting in them—sweet potatoes and broccoli, or Hot Pockets and Pop Tarts. Similarly, when I was exploring the safety of hot sauces, given their potential for lead contamination, I had the same reaction. It matters what you’re putting it on.

When I think toxic pollutants, the first thing I think of is the aquatic food chain. We know, for example, that giving people even just a seven-ounce portion of a high-mercury fish, like tuna or swordfish, once a week—that’s about a can-and-a-half of tuna’s worth a week—can quadruple mercury levels in the blood within a few months. What about lead?

A dietary intervention with not one, but five, portions a week, “significantly increased…blood concentrations” of toxic metals, including lead. Even though “the background intake of lead was [found to be] disturbingly high,” the seafood intake increased it by about a quarter. But, “[f]rom a public health perspective,” it’s important to recognize that the amount of seafood that they used in that study “far exceed[s] the intake of most populations.”

Lead can also bioaccumulate in other animals. But, half of our dietary exposure to lead probably comes from plant foods. Animals shot with lead ammunition, though, may present a special case.

We know “[l]ead is toxic and…banned from [most] household items in…developed countries”—except for lead ammunition, “now likely the greatest, largely unregulated source of lead that is knowingly discharged into the environment in [America].” But, not just discharged into the environment, but into the meat itself. “People generally reject the idea of injecting toxic substances into food, except when it involves hunting wild game.”

“Eighty percent of ground [venison]” was found to contain lead. No surprise, given the hundreds of metal fragments that end up in deer carcasses “after being shot” with standard, lead-based rifle bullets—”an impossible number of fragments to pick out by hand, especially because some of these fragments are microscopic.”

Using X-rays, researchers have shown that “[d]uring…penetration, expanding [lead] core bullets typically release hundreds or thousands of fragments.” Or, even millions. Tens of millions of microscopic lead particles per gram; so, one serving could have a billion particles, though they were nanoparticles—extremely tiny, about the size of viruses.

The only good lead, though, is no lead. Even “[v]ery low levels of lead exposure can result in [brain and nerve damage], yet most “hunters [may not be] aware about [the] health risks related to consuming meat from [animals] killed with lead ammunition.

Children may be at risk for losing IQ points, which could reduce their future prospects. A common response from hunters, though, when confronted with the risks of lead exposure, may be, look, “I have been hunting for years, and I am fine.”

To which this physician responds: Ah, “but just imagine how smart you could have been.”

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

I’m often asked in lectures if microwaves are safe, to which I respond: not if you drop them on your foot. But otherwise, it matters what you’re putting in them—sweet potatoes and broccoli, or Hot Pockets and Pop Tarts. Similarly, when I was exploring the safety of hot sauces, given their potential for lead contamination, I had the same reaction. It matters what you’re putting it on.

When I think toxic pollutants, the first thing I think of is the aquatic food chain. We know, for example, that giving people even just a seven-ounce portion of a high-mercury fish, like tuna or swordfish, once a week—that’s about a can-and-a-half of tuna’s worth a week—can quadruple mercury levels in the blood within a few months. What about lead?

A dietary intervention with not one, but five, portions a week, “significantly increased…blood concentrations” of toxic metals, including lead. Even though “the background intake of lead was [found to be] disturbingly high,” the seafood intake increased it by about a quarter. But, “[f]rom a public health perspective,” it’s important to recognize that the amount of seafood that they used in that study “far exceed[s] the intake of most populations.”

Lead can also bioaccumulate in other animals. But, half of our dietary exposure to lead probably comes from plant foods. Animals shot with lead ammunition, though, may present a special case.

We know “[l]ead is toxic and…banned from [most] household items in…developed countries”—except for lead ammunition, “now likely the greatest, largely unregulated source of lead that is knowingly discharged into the environment in [America].” But, not just discharged into the environment, but into the meat itself. “People generally reject the idea of injecting toxic substances into food, except when it involves hunting wild game.”

“Eighty percent of ground [venison]” was found to contain lead. No surprise, given the hundreds of metal fragments that end up in deer carcasses “after being shot” with standard, lead-based rifle bullets—”an impossible number of fragments to pick out by hand, especially because some of these fragments are microscopic.”

Using X-rays, researchers have shown that “[d]uring…penetration, expanding [lead] core bullets typically release hundreds or thousands of fragments.” Or, even millions. Tens of millions of microscopic lead particles per gram; so, one serving could have a billion particles, though they were nanoparticles—extremely tiny, about the size of viruses.

The only good lead, though, is no lead. Even “[v]ery low levels of lead exposure can result in [brain and nerve damage], yet most “hunters [may not be] aware about [the] health risks related to consuming meat from [animals] killed with lead ammunition.

Children may be at risk for losing IQ points, which could reduce their future prospects. A common response from hunters, though, when confronted with the risks of lead exposure, may be, look, “I have been hunting for years, and I am fine.”

To which this physician responds: Ah, “but just imagine how smart you could have been.”

Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.

Icons created by Pavel Melnikov, Oliviu Stoian, Benwithpen, Gay Khoon Lay, Nook Fulloption, Jacob Halton, Bakunetsu Kaito, and Yazmin Alanis from The Noun Project.

Image credit: By Dinomite (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 via Wikimedia Commons. Image has been modified.

Motion graphics by Avocado Video

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  1. I wish you had more videos about plant based diet and Autism. My son is 15 years and besides the Autism he has other labels on top of this one, Severe Cognitive Delay, Bipolar Disorder. Please help me.




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    1. Did you see the video about sulforophane? Found in cruciferous vegetables. I would personally recommend turmeric and ginger but the whole root it’s hard to know what’s in the powders.




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      1. You’ll note that Dr. Greger acknowledged in the video that ” . . . half of our dietary exposure to lead probably comes from plant foods.”

        More to the point for most people who visit NFO, I’d like to see a video with an overview withe lots of specifics on “Lead Contamination in Plants.”

        And this unfortunately holds true even for some superfoods, like green tea or turmeric. Some sources (especially from India through adulteration) of turmeric powder, even organic turmeric powder, can have high levels of lead ( http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/003335491770010 ), and the same applies to some sources ( especially from China) of green tea, and yes even organic green tea. (https://nutritionfacts.org/video/lead-contamination-of-tea/). Chocolate seems another food to look out for ( https://www.asyousow.org/our-work/environmental-health/toxic-enforcement/lead-and-cadmium-in-food/lead-and-cadmium-in-food-faqs/ )

        If you routinely include such foods as staples in your diet, organic does not seem good enough – look for sources that certify that they test their products for lead and optimally, also that their product meets California Prop 65 limits ( http://www.americanbiosciences.com/product/prop-65/ ) of 0.5 mcg / day for lead.

        Aside from its other toxic effects, lead seems a potent inhibitor of telomerase, and if a food seems heavily enough contaminated can transform an extremely beneficial food into a harmful one. To me becoming an informed consumer, and making discriminating choices has become essential.

        (If you want to learn more about telomeres and telomerase, I highly recommend The Telomere Effect, by the Nobel prize winner Dr. Elizabeth Blackburn, and found it a real eye opener, as it referenced a number of studies with results I had not heard about and would not have expected. It combines easy to understand reports of research, with comprehensive references, followed by practical recommendations, many of them well worth considering, both for preserving one’s telomeres, and even lengthening them.

        What has the most harmful effect on telomeres? Surprisingly, lead poisoning (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3694068/ ), although acute and chronic stress (like care-giving) and especially poor sleep (they have a chapter just on this) can have profound effects as well. For me the fact that research shows that shortened telomeres can often spontaneously recover from these kinds of impacts seems best news in the book, and the worst news, that babies can inherit shortened telomeres if their parents have them, beginning life at a real disadvantage.)




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          1. Susan, have you watched the video you linked? Or was your question rhetorical and that’s why you cited the video? Because in the video it is explained that dairy consumption in humans increases lead absorption. I remember seeing in another video here as well about how diary worsens lead toxicity.




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        1. Ok virtually no products meet prop 65 because the labeling laws are so strict. But if you watch other videos of Dr. Greger’s, you’ll see that when consuming plant foods, your body does not hold onto the contaminates within it whereas with animal “foods” it does. In fact, if you ate a liver (rich in heavy metals) and paired it with vegetables that also contained lead, you’d end up receiving LESS lead than if you ate the liver alone.
          Green tea is fine if it’s from China as long as you don’t eat it. In his chart, if memory serves, it says you can drink as much green to as you want from China but there is a limit for black to and matcha.
          I consume a ton of cacao and my favorite brand is Sunfood. They have the prop 65 warning label but do strict tests form my understanding. I had my blood tested for lead and other heavy metals including mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc… and my blood results came back great. I agree you should get from a trusted company, but apart from that (and buying organic for health and environmental concerns and even animal and human rights concerns) it doesn’t seem like anything to worry about.
          Telomeres are also talked about in Dr. Greger’s book “How Not To Die” which is how I learned about them and how a plant based diet can regrow them! :)




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          1. “I had my blood tested for lead and other heavy metals including mercury, arsenic, cadmium, etc… and my blood results came back great. ”

            Hi S –

            Great? Compared to what? You might want to have a look at this NFO video to see what levels human beings should have:

            https://nutritionfacts.org/video/Normal-Blood-Lead-Levels-Can-Be-Toxic/

            ” But what these new data, on what’s natural for our species, shows is that typical levels of lead in humans are quite definitely not very low at all, “but instead constitute grossly excessive 1000-fold over-exposure levels.” (transcript quote)

            As far as detox goes, these two videos offer helpful advice:

            https://nutritionfacts.org/video/Best-Food-for-Lead-Poisoning-Garlic/

            “As expected, the chelation drug reduced blood lead levels by about 20%—but, so did the garlic. The garlic worked just as well as the drug and, of course, had fewer side effects. Thus, “garlic seems safer…and as effective.” . . . Significant clinical improvements were seen in the garlic group: less irritability, fewer headaches, improvements in their reflexes and blood pressure after treatment with garlic—but not the drug. So, garlic was safer and more effective. ” (transcript quote)

            https://nutritionfacts.org/video/Yellow-Bell-Peppers-for-Male-Infertility-and-Lead-Poisoning/

            “That’s why studies like this are so important: “Vitamin C or placebo.” Vitamin C versus an identical-looking sugar pill, and the vitamin C failed to help. That really put a damper on enthusiasm for using vitamin C for lead poisoning—until this now-famous study was published in 1999, which showed that vitamin C supplementation could lead to a decrease in blood levels. But, check this out. Here’s where the control group started, and after four weeks of taking a placebo, pretty much nothing happened, which is what you’d expect. Okay, but check out the vitamin C group. Started out at about the same, but within one week of taking 1,000mg of vitamin C a day, lead levels dropped 81%. So, “[vitamin C] supplementation may provide an economical and convenient method of reducing blood-lead levels, possibly by reducing the intestinal absorption of lead.” (transcript quote)

            And as far as Prop 65 goes, as I see it the safety limits they set don’t seem strict, but truthful. The problem comes that we live in a world where we have deliberately polluted the world to such an extent it seems very difficult to grow objectively safe foods, but rather than give up, it makes sense to do our best to at least find safer and less contaminated foods. And I have found companies – for example one that sells an organic turmeric powder I use – that at least claims it tests it products for heavy metals, and according to the manufacturer at least, that they pass the Prop 65 test.

            From: https://naturerestore.com/pages/our-story

            “Nature Restore also wanted to make sure that every supplement label actually contains the exact amount stated. Each and every product we provide to you yields the lowest amount of heavy metals possible (all soil contains minute amounts of metals), no pesticides, no plant-based fillers, and no synthetic vitamins & minerals.

            All of our ingredients have a specification sheet, and each production batch goes to a third-party for independent verification of metals, pesticides and gluten status.”

            Of course, you have to take their word for it – foods and supplements often have carry labels that misrepresent the contents – but at least this California company claims to have addressed the problem for the products they sell, rather than ignore it.




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            1. aled1, I don’t have my doctor reports by my side at the moment and I don’t feel like sifting through folders to recite the readings at the moment. But by great, I meant that my levels were extremely low. I had no issues with lead or any other heavy metal in my blood work and my doctor was impressed at my results. I’m sure my readings would say this better than I can right now, but it’s 10pm and I’m not searching for medical documents. Anyways, I was very pleased and I know all about lead and other metal toxicities thus my wanting to get it tested. I even had cyanide tested due to the fact that I consume so much flax and I had no issues there either. I wasn’t surprised though due to my diet. I’ve watched and read about detoxing heavy metals and was pleased that these methods are already a regular part of my diet and I’m a WFPB vegan – plants are really quite miraculous! I also go on how I feel and I feel amazing, literally haven’t gotten sick in years ever since going WFPB (I wasn’t WFPB upon first becoming vegan but even then I felt so much better than before).
              I have made myself miserable through over worrying though and that kind of stress has definitely done more harm than good.
              I too buy from companies that do tests for heavy metals and I pay attention to where things are grown and manufactured, but even the purest forms of something don’t always pass prop 65 because the standard is set so high. I’m not complaining about prop 65, I love it! I believe in the strictest standards and the stricter the standards, the better companies will strive for and the better we’ll all be off for it. But I am saying that if something doesn’t pass prop 65, it can still have extremely low lead levels as prop 65 can be almost impossible for foods to pass depending on the food. Conscientious and proactive is good, but over worrying is another thing entirely.
              One has to wonder if some of the longest living civilizations in the world test for heavy metals.. like the Indians who scientists believe live so long due to their daily cacao consumption or the Okinawans. I’m not saying we shouldn’t test for these things, again, I believe in the strictest standards and total transparency and I think we need more of that, but I’m simply saying that plant foods are amazing.




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              1. Hi S –

                I agree that many plant foods have amazingly beneficial effects, and that a whole foods plant based diet in which such superfoods play a central role definitely seems the way to go, and this can and does do a great deal to minimize much of the environmental toxicity to which everyone now living gets exposed. But minimizing and eliminating seem two very different things. I recommend a both/and approach. And while I also agree that worrying seems counterproductive, in today’s world I do see informed concern (perhaps coupled with a meditative practice if the uncovered information cause upset ) with respect to potential sources of toxicity as both appropriate and necessary, at least if optimal health seems one’s goal, rather than “great” compared to average Americans eating the Standard American Diet, who have set the bar particularly low.

                Research into the effects of diet and lifestyle have made it clear that our bodies potentially have the ability to heal almost anything, so long as we give them what they need to heal, and so long as we stop doing what makes them sick. Of course, in practice this can prove rather tricky, as many people don’t have a clue to what their bodies need to heal, and have become sadly out of touch with respect to what they’ve done – often unknowingly – that made them sick. And it does not help that we unfortunately now live in a post-truth world, where invalid but compelling misinformation has become increasingly abundant, and trustworthy information has become ever harder to find. With respect to health, NFO seems a significant and very important step in the opposite direction, as does the newly established American College of Lifestyle Medicine ( https://www.lifestylemedicine.org/ ) and their offshoot, LifestyleFACTS.org ( http://www.lifestylefacts.org/ ) but we have a long, long way to go.




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        2. Are there any foods that we can eat that will help us to rid lead from our bodies? Would drinking distilled water help to eliminate lead from our bodies?




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          1. hi John, Dr Greger did a series on lead including a couple of videos on foods that help detox us,
            https://nutritionfacts.org/video/How-to-Lower-Lead-Levels-with-Diet-Breakfast-Whole-Grains-Milk-Tofu/

            https://nutritionfacts.org/video/Best-Food-for-Lead-Poisoning-Garlic/

            Apparently we can ‘sweat it out’ to good effect https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jeph/2012/184745/ so I have been enjoying steam baths/saunas after swimming laps twice a week in the hopes that it keeps the heavy metal burden down.




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          2. Are there any foods that we can eat that will help us to rid lead from our bodies? Would drinking distilled water help to eliminate lead from our bodies?

            What about EDTA Chelation (oral)…?




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          3. John, check out Dr. Greger’s videos on lead. Garlic is really amazing for it!! And yes, purified water will reduce your consumption. I have a reverse osmosis water filter.




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              1. the machine tells you when you need to change filters, it depends how much water you use , for us it is about every 18 months which costs us 75 maybe US $50 .
                we survived the Walkerton water tragedy




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                1. There are a lot of city officials like Stan and Frank Koebel, who probably didn’t want to spend any extra money to fix the water problem until it became a crisis. Every city has a pair of Stan and Frank Koebels. This is why you can’t rely upon any government body to look after your health, and you need to MAKE your own water. Buy a water distiller and make your own drinking water. And for all of you guys who say that drinking distilled water will KILL you dead as a door nail, then simply add some minerals back into your distilled water……at least you will have drinking water that is free of E. Coli, free of lead – arsnic – cadmium – radioactive particles – plastic contaminants – medications dumped in the sewer – and a million industrial chemicals that find there way into our rivers, streams, lakes…..and public drinking water.




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    2. Raquel,

      May I respectfully suggest a deep dive at the Autism Research Institute site.

      As a physician focused on treating those with ASD and the associated disorders for >30 years, it’s so much more than just diet. Please do insist on as many veggies and fruits etc. within the WFPB diet but don’t stop there. Go organic and have proper testing done to really know what your son’s metabolic needs. What’s lacking or in excess are critical points of information to have direction and potentially the next steps to recovery.

      There are other sites that might prove helpful, including finding a physician with training via the MAPS website.

      Dr. Alan Kadish moderator for Dr. Greger http://www.CenterofHealth.com




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  2. Another problem: when the animal shot with lead bullets is left in the woods, carnivorous animals will feed off that carcass. Many eagles and coyotes in my area have become seriously ill or even died of lead poisoning. Hunters are asked to remove all game that they kill.




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    1. Same at the Grand Canyon. Rangers routinely inform about this on trail talks, usually using the Condor to exemplify the problem. These birds were at risk for many years because they consume carrion left by hunters and die from lead poisoning. Just getting the word out, though, has helped bring them back (I think).

      I assume Dr. G’s message was aimed more at human consumption of lead contaminated animals, but the plight of other creatures out there should serve as a warning to us, too.




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    2. :'( The animals they slaughter are not “game,” such propaganda wording… I won’t take part in it. It’s just an absolute tragedy all around and it’s sickening but all too unsurprising that they’re asked to remove the animals (assuming they find them and assuming the animal dies from the injury instead of just infection or other horrific causes because the injuries don’t always kill and when they do, the animals can run a very long time as it isn’t a quick death) instead of just asking (or better yet, demanding) they they stop “hunting” in the first place.




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  3. wow good video , but most likely not relevant to people on here . it explains an observation i made years ago about hunters and fisher(wo)men , which is similar to the last line in the video lol , People fishing use lead too for sinkers on their line , the local hardware store has 100,s different sinkers in stock , so these lead sinkers must also get lost into the environment .




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  4. Sorry but there’s a lot of disinformation here. I can advise as to how to be more accurate with you projectiles and purposes. First example: the photo for this video shows a self-defense round that is not designed for hunting. I won’t go on and on with variations from actuality from my years of experience, training, learning, and doing–but just that this ‘anti-hunting because lead’ video has multple inaccuracies just like the previous one some years ago.

    For any hunters who wish to minimize this possibility, holler at me, I can advise. I won’t trouble the group here with all the alternatives in cartridges, loading your own, bullet types, lead hardness, velocity concerns, non-lead projectiles designed for hunting, shot placement, cleaning/butchering your game properly. But I wouldn’t mind sharing that info with someone genuinely interested.

    Thanks Dr. G for pointing out the possibilities extant in game, but there are many ways these results can be manipulated and I’m wise enough to manipulate mine own. I’d rather take my risks with the occasional bit of game, than support the feed-lot meat manufacturing machine. I shall evermore eat mostly Plants.




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        1. Nope, I cannot even go fishing. But I am not a hypocrite and criticize people who kill animals for my foods, nor the factory workers, policeman/woman, fireman/woman, etc who have to grab a quick burger to go back to work and don’t have time to eat all the kale and bean. Or the kale farmers who have to kill insects, Of the scientists who have to kill lab rats. Or the recreational hunters who hunt a few times a year….




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          1. You are creating a new story different that the topic. In your introduced story, there are new elements like a policeman eating a hamburger, supposedly from a fast food joint, that is ready to save someone life’s but who does not have time to eat a bowl of dry kale. But the topic is lead poisoning.




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              1. You know full well that most people here do not eat animal foods.

                Yet here you are grandly pontificating about “But I am not a hypocrite and criticize people who kill animals for my foods, nor the factory workers, policeman/woman, fireman/woman, etc who have to grab a quick burger to go back to work and don’t have time to eat all the kale and bean. Or the kale farmers who have to kill insects, Of the scientists who have to kill lab rats. Or the recreational hunters who hunt a few times a year”

                Of course you don’t. You are part of the animal slaughter industry as a customer. Most of us aren’t but you accuse us of hypocrisy! Your utter lack of logic, double standards and ability to misrepresent the facts are astonishing. Incidentally, insects aren’t normally considered animals.
                https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/animal




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    1. Wade,
      I support fishing and hunting. However, for years I have thought it absurd that we allow people to drop limitless amounts of lead into nature. Can you email me with how to support my family members who want to pursue these activities with less lead contaminating of themselves or nature?
      Thanks,
      John S




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  5. This is another reason why the government needs to take draconian measures and go door to door to remove guns from every house in the United States. Write your officials today to ban the ownership of any kind of a weapon.




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    1. We don’t need to do that John, because the NRA assures that every serial killer is supported in his attempts to kill as many people as possible.




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    2. John
      your comment is interesting , recently on talk radio here in canada they had a native american on talking about the tradition of the “right to bear arms ” , she maintains that right was given to americans so they could protect the property they had in their possession from native americans , that they originally stole from the natives to begin with , a good point i thought.




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    3. Sorry, John, but I do not want the government going door to door to remove anything from people’s homes. That’ government overreach. That’s what they do in dictatorships.




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  6. A lot of fear mongering in this video. As usual, the anti animal foods eating push is mixed up with something that is not common for most people. First of all, billions of people in the world are eating seafoods without any adverse effects. Secondly, people who hunt in modern time are in the minority and when they do, it is for a short time. Of course when I was a kid, I always wonder why people can be so cruel and go hunting and kill those innocent bambi, bear, duck, rabbit, etc. When I grew up and went to work, I worked with some super nice people who own guns and go hunting once every year as a kind of family ritual, reunion between family members, Dad and son/daughter. Most of the times, they came home empty hand. It’s hard work because not only they have to shoot and hit an animal, they have to drag out the corpse from the forest to their trucks. I usually joked every year and asked them how many bambi have they killed. Anyway, they explained that every year, there are surpluses of deers and bears that need to be killed or they will invade cities and towns and run into fenced farms and got killed on barbed wire. So this is controlled killing. Everybody love wildlife but the population has to be controlled or wildlife will eat all of our kale.

    So if you eat one wild game per year, I bet that you get less lead contamination than when you eat kale 365 days a year. I like you Dr Greger and used to be your fan but please stop these misleading anti sciences video just to push for an agenda.




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        1. We have had to listen to Jerry for a very long time. He makes up his own “facts” and he has made it clear that he is going to stay here insulting people and posting falsehoods for as long as he can. That is pretty much the definition of troll I think. So it is not an insult, merely a factual description.




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          1. Every morning, TG looks at his magic mirror and asks “mirror, mirror, have me insulted anyone today?”. If the magic mirror says No then he will be miserable all days. If the mirror says Yes then he will be very happy all day and he will sing like a birdie.




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            1. I have been reading Tom’s writings for two years now and he is the nicest person that there is. He only seeks the truth, and demands the most rigorous scientific research to back up the Truth. I respect Tome very much.




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      1. equayona–
        At its best, the Nutrition Facts forum promotes points of agreement, actively examines and exchanges ideas, and lets flame wars and trollery disappear by neglect.

        And genuine trolls do not like that– they must have a win-or-lose debate by which to declare victory. They cannot express doubt about their own beliefs, or leave matters nuanced and indefinite, and allow open questions to stay open, pending further resolution.

        But science is not like that– areas of doubt and ambiguity abound, and “pending” is the order of the day. Eventually (as an article of faith in the scientific method), such open questions will be resolved by the data. Until then, sincere difference and discussion are welcome and help refine / develop further research.

        And there always will be differences. On a forum like Nutrition Facts, as with peer-review by scientists, different ideas about the same information do not necessarily share a sound basis in fact, and in the body of peer-reviewed research. Likewise, when sincerely inquiring people disagree– despite Dr. Greger’s excellent information– there are many reasons they cannot digest that information.

        One major cause for rejection of Nutrition Facts video research stems from implications of the data for personal choices. The video about hunting and lead exposure is one example of a relatively simple idea whose implications ricochet in unexpected directions.




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    1. The only agenda I read into and received from this video is “Here is some information to be aware of and think about . . . ” Which is how I read all of Dr. G’s video’s. He shares information with us and allows us to make our own decisions about our lives.

      Glad to see, however, that you (Jerry) finally admit that you are not a fan of Dr. G or this site. At least we are all completely clear about your position.
      (I like you Dr. Greger and used to be your fan . . . ).




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    2. Please reconsider your position on seafood. There is mounting evidence, much on this channel, that proves that seafood contamination is a driver of many chronic conditions. Just because something doesn’t create an acute reaction doesn’t mean there are not problems caused by bio-accumulation of toxic substances that have a slow or non-existent excretory pathway. Unfortunately, unlike acute exposures to toxins, chronic exposure to toxins is rarely listed as a cause of death on death certificates.

      But just because this information is available doesn’t mean that we should take the fatalistic view that we all have to die from something, so let’s stick with our traditions because of the familial ties they foster. We can do better than this. We can create new traditions.




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    3. Anyway, they explained that every year, there are surpluses of deers and bears that need to be killed or they will invade cities and towns and run into fenced farms and got killed on barbed wire. So this is controlled killing.

      7 billion people on planet earth (and still growing) is unsustainable…there’s the ‘real’ problem. Not the ‘deers and bears’.




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      1. SSSShhhhhhhhhhhh! Don’t mention this. Humans are very sensitive about this. It’s really important to them that they be allowed to reproduce unhindered.




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    4. Yeah thats right Jerry Lewis
      When you go kale hunting always talk to the locals , for they will know where the kale hangs out , try and be downwind from your kale and make sure you have a really sharp hunting knife with you , try to shoot your kale between the eyes so as not to get the lead birdshot into the meat of the kale , if your not a sure shot like myself or Jerry you will have to pick out the lead pieces in your kale meat . Once shot you will have to run up on the kale and gut and dress your kale right on the spot again look out for lead bits in your fresh killed kale . take some rope and tie around the kale and drag out of the bush to your waiting 500 HP truck , hopefully with 4 wheel drive .
      Good kale hunting everyone !




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      1. Yet another vague, generalised accusation of wrong-doing from you with of course no evidence whatsoever to support it.

        But I thought that it was highly amusing that you of all people would accuse someone else of “disinform”. You really have no shame Jerry.




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  7. I would like to show to this to my family who hunts deer every year but they’ll probably pistol whip me. Lol. Also have the calendars been sent out?




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  8. If people want to really hunt animals for the sport of it and for food, then they should leave their guns home or turn them into the local police station and then use archery to bring down their prey. Modern hunting bows and cross bows do not use LEAD in their arrow tips, only razor sharp steel that will not fragment into micro pieces like a lead bullet. The government should start a swap program. People could turn in their AR-15’s for a bow and arrow. That is what I would call progress.




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    1. AR-15 is not for hunting nor self defense, it’s for mass murder. But let’s not make it too hard on people who like to hunt for sport. A rifle that fires single shot is hard enough. And controlled hunting is a necessity, if surplus animals don’t get killed by hunters, they will have to be killed by forest rangers, famine, disease or bigger animals. Life is not that rosy in the animal kingdom who gets displaced by another animal called human unless all people including vegans will stop producing babies. Did Dr Greger make a video blaming meat and fat eating on infertility? Is eating more plant foods supposed to produce more babies, and therefore displacing the wild animals? Anyone volunteers to eat less nut and kale to save the forest?




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      1. “The fascination of shooting as a sport depends almost wholly on whether you are at the right or wrong end of a gun.” — P.G. Wodehouse




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    2. There is a controversy around using tools to kill other animals. People justify it by saying they are carnivores and that it is natural. However, they process the animal flesh by cooking it or by other method (grinding, chemical, etc). No other carnivore animal use tools nor process food.Why don’t you see people using the hands/teeth to kill animals?




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      1. What’s your point? No other animals do this and that. Of course we are a smart animal called humans who eat the Daily Dozen and more. Any other animals on planet Earth do that?

        And humans have always been carnivores or herbivores depending where he/she lived and found whatever foods to eat.




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        1. 1 People eat animals because they say it is natural since other carnivore animals do it.

          2 But people use tools (unnatural) to kill other animals. They don’t use the hands or the teeth (natural) or strength.
          3 And people use more tools to process the meat in small byte size portions while other animals use their natural teeth.
          4 And people use again more tools to cook and make meat edible and soft since it is not natural for them to eat it raw (smells, etc).

          5 Therefore, point 1 is false because of 2,3,4.




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  9. what a bizarre topic-something of critical importance is being missed here. it is kind of like a serial killer worrying about getting their victims blood on them because of possible contamination by blood born pathogens.

    as bad as it may be for the human animals consuming the flesh of their helpless victims containing lead, ammunition of any kind is FAR more devastating to the non-human animals who’s lives are violently ended by having projectiles explode into their bodies and brains.

    “When we have exposed the specious reasoning of the hunters’ apologists and stripped their sport of its counterfeit legitimacy, the naked brutality of hunting defines itself: killing for the fun of it.” –Steve Ruggeri




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  10. I’m not trying to offend anyone in saying this (I’m truly just being honest about my experience), but as an animal rights activist I have had (or tried to have) a lot of conversations with hunters and the vast majority have been some of the most ridiculously unintelligent responses and conversations I’ve been involved in. No matter how calm, polite, and scientific I was (speaking of environment and human biology) it just didn’t seem to matter to them (to say the least). I had assumed this was because they were just so keen on justifying what they do that they would get angry, childish and nonsensical, but now I’m honestly wondering if this doesn’t have at least something to do with my experiences. Those who come from families who hunt and are long time hunters seem to be the worst. Of course there’s obviously psychology to this as well.
    And yes I realize my comment will be highly offensive to some people but I’m just being honest and didn’t want to not comment what is on my mind after seeing this video for fear of offending hunters.




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  11. I can’t read through all these comments but man it is astounding to me that even people here who have readily available to them some of the best science on nutrition and human biology, still try to defend consuming animals. Reminds me very much of smokers despite the blatant science… at least at this point though they don’t try to argue that smoking is ever good or ok.




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    1. Why does your love for dark chocolate make you sad? Cocoa is incredibly healthy and Dr. Greger recommends it! :) Of course just pay attention to the other ingredients in whatever dark chocolate you’re getting. Personally I like to make my own chocolate desserts with cacao powder.




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        1. There are trace amount of these things even in veggies, it’s just a matter of getting from a company who has their’s tested and doesn’t let it pass a certain limit. Our bodies also don’t hold onto it the same way from plants as it does from animal products because plants seem to be self-detoxing. Personally I think the headlines (I didn’t read the full article) on that article are kind of scare-tactic over exaggerated. California’s prop 65 is great as the stricter the laws, the better, but it’s almost impossible for most foods to pass because the amount they require a warning for is so low. Yes there is no safe level of lead, but unless we starve ourselves, it’s impossible to avoid entirely thanks once again to humans, but a WFPB diet makes all the difference in the world.
          Since you’re still going to eat dark chocolate (as am I), you could experiment in getting your blood tested while off of it for a while then getting it tested after consuming it for a while. I actually got my blood tested for all the heavy metals and I had zero issues with any of them and I eat a lot of chocolate, mostly in the form of raw cacao powder which I have daily. I’d be more interested in seeing how much of these metals are stored in the body after consumption of cacao or cocoa as opposed to pointing out that they’re in it. Take for example the community in India (I can’t quite remember their name but Dr. Greger has a video on them here somewhere) who are known for their long lifespan, scientists believe it’s due to the fact that they drink cacao everyday.
          And you can always include other things that help detox, the first thing that comes to mind is raw garlic. In one of his videos, Dr. Greger says two cloves of raw garlic a day is really effective for detoxing lead… of course I’m not giving you an exact quote so I’d look up the video for better accuracy.




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            1. I watched the video on the Panama Island Indians that Dr. Greger produced, then I watched a 2nd video made by an ABC correspondent on the value of drinking cocoa. Basically, it was said that you can get the same benefits as drinking the Indian recipe for cocoa drinks by eating a really dark chocolate bar that was 70 percent cocoa or higher. I have a 100 percent chocolate bar in my pantry that I nibble on. However, I have been told that chocolate can elevate one’s blood pressure and also cause constipation.
              Can anyone comment on that?




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          1. I eat 3 to 4 cloves of garlic 3 times a week. I have to detox on my garlic the day before I go to church, and also on the days I have piano students coming to my house. So, basically I eat garlic on Monday, Tuesday, and Friday night. But, then I have to sleep on the floor on the days I eat garlic because my wife can’t stand the smell. I am getting into “sweat therapy”. So, I read where one can eliminate a lot of heavy metals and other toxins by sweating. So, I work out at the gym with the weights with purpose working up a good sweat. In other words, I hardly stop at all between sets, and just keep a good pace going, and by doing that I can work up a sweat in about 15 minutes. Then there is the sauna at the gym. I might start using that to encourage more sweat. Also, I am drinking distilled water to help to detoxify. But, yeah….I think I will start adding some 100 percent cocoa chocolate to my program.




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          2. Thanks, S, maybe in the spring I’ll sleuth up a doc who is not pill happy (ARE there any?). I haven’t had a blood test in several years, only because they usually need to be prescribed by a white coat. (?) I’m curious about my electrolytes and no forth, the only reason I’d see a doc at this point. I avoid them and haven’t had a checkup in *covers mouth* years. Naturally I’d seek one out in a dire emergency. Otherwise, I just listen to my intuition. “What the mind believes, the body achieves.” “Where attention goes, energy flows.” And, like that. :-)

            I know it’s considered great, but I hesitate to blow raw garlic breath at people.




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  12. Every living thing kills another living thing to survive.
    Why I killed some fresh carrots and cauliflower just this morning,
    and I am not ashamed of it.




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    1. LG King, things and sentient beings are two very different things. A wolf has to kill an animal to survive, they have no choice. As a human, not only do you have a choice, but also a responsibility and as it happens, making the WRONG choice is detrimental to your human health not to mention the planet you rely on. You shouldn’t be ashamed of pulling a carrot from the ground, but you should be deeply ashamed for taking the life of a fellow animal who wants to live when you do not have any need to do so and in doing so, it is detrimental to all things.




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  13. On a related topic… A neighbor practices shooting his gun in the woods across the road from us. It’s my understanding he shoots into the ground, near the creek. I suspect this is not good for the environment and I’m sure he doesn’t reclaim the bullets. Can anyone direct me to information regarding such a practice? We all get our water from well here. Thank you in advance.




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    1. This is why you need to buy a distiller and make your own distilled water from your well water. You can not trust any kind of water even if it is from a well, spring, bottled water, tap water, lake water, river water, etc. All water has great potential to be contaminated with lead, cadmium, arsenic, pesticides, herbicides, cattle run off, thousands of industrial chemicals, acid rain, and hundreds of different kinds of bacteria and parasites. Now drinking distilled water is very controversial, however one can end the controversy by adding their own minerals back into the distilled water that you make. The main thing is that you know that your distilled water is pollution free and only has the minerals that you have decided to put back into it.




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  14. Note to the gun control people here; I live in an area where bears, wolves and mountain lions live. A neighbor was mauled by a bear a couple months ago. I am not giving up my guns. Period. I am not interested in being mauled by a mountain lion, thank you very much. Carrying a bow is not practical. It takes two hands, and that can make getting wood for the stove very awkward at night.




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