Doctor's Note

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  • Tom Goff

    This series of videos reminds me of The Perils of Pauline

  • rumicat

    Can’t wait to hear the results. And you are doing a great job of capturing the nuances of of research, which can rival the perils of pauline.

  • cwebb

    Great series Dr. Greger. I understand that the absorption of oral vs. IV wasn’t known at the time, but controlling a variable like how the vitamin is given seems pretty basic. Don’t you think that these types of errors and lack of variable control fuel the flames of science denyers, not just with regards to nutrition, but all fields of science. What are researchers doing to prevent this in the future?

    • Marianne

      Maybe they did it on purpose so the C would fail. It is known that some manipulate the variables to make sure natural therapies are NOT effective. Just a thought! Can’t wait for the next installment!

      • livewire

        Marianne, I think you are absolutely right. I’ve read about how high dose vitamin C must be given by infusion, not orally for years – maybe even 40 years! This has certainly been known for a long time.

        • Mark

          It really doesn’t matter how long the difference between intravenous and oral has been known: The original study used intravenous injection and therefore should be re-done with intravenous injection.

        • SignorinaBohemia

          Yup! see my comment above! Maybe Andrew Saul Phd. should be a part of the conversation

      • cwebb

        That can happen when there is clear bias in sponsorship and/or affiliation. If this study were sponsored or performed by a pharmaceutical company, for example, that would make sense.

    • alef1

      A Catch-22 devised by the pharmaceutical industry that still works to this day
      with respect to research on nutraceuticals:

      First, dismiss any evidence that a nutraceutical or alternative therapy
      might work as worthless because the evidence seems anecdotal.

      Second, make sure researchers can’t get funding to do a proper randomized
      double-blind controlled study.

      Three, if other studies, forced by limited funding do show positive
      results, dismiss these results because they did not do randomized double-blind
      controlled studies.

      Four, intentionally confuse “evidence for the absence of an effect for a
      therapy” with “the absence of (acceptable) evidence of an effect for a
      therapy.”

      And Five, should public pressure force the issue into having NCI of NIH
      fund a randomized double-blind controlled study, choose researchers who will
      find a way of designing the study so that it does not replicate in important
      respects previous studies that demonstrated an effect, so that it will fail.
      This usually involves using a much lower dose over a much shorter period, or
      even choosing research subjects unlikely to respond to a treatment. For
      example, if a nutraceutical boosts immune function, choose subjects who have had
      so much chemotherapy that they don’t have much of an immune system to
      stimulate.

      One other point. Doctors have a tendency to confuse
      “evidence for the absence of an effect for a therapy” with “the absence of
      evidence of an effect for a therapy.” Withholding funding to do a proper human
      study on a therapy results in “absence of evidence” but one can not conclude, or
      at least not should one conclude, that this in any way demonstrates evidence for
      the absence of an effect.

      And as far as “proof” goes, as far as I know no large scale study has
      appeared on the effect of a low-methionine diet, or of a nutraceutical like
      curcumin on cancer in humans that oncologists in general would accept as
      evidence, because such studies cost lots and lots of money – and offer no
      financial reward. In fact one might expect that the pharmaceutical industry, who normally fund such
      studies and has nmany ties into government funding, would actively lobby against them,
      given the potential financial loss that a successful study of an alternative therapy would have on their
      chemotherapy drug revenues. On the other hand large scale studies of
      chemotherapy drugs have in fact proven that they do NOT work for the majority of
      cancers. ( http://www.icnr.com/articles/ischemotherapyeffective.html )

      • sue allen

        I agree alef1, especially point 5. Prime example of this is l-lysine for herpes simplex infection. Here is a good article that shows the clinical studies and dosages used: theoptom.com/lysine-herpes-simplex-keratitis.html

  • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

    Are you kidding me? I have patients dying right now! They and I need that info! I’m suffering here! (Wryly I grin.)
    I feel like that part in ”How Not to Die”:
    “While he thrashed desperately, pleading, my mind was in medical mode, all protocols and procedures, but nothing could be done. The man needed Morphine, but that was held on the other side of the ward, and I’d never get to it in time, let alone back to him. . . I begged the nurse to try and get some, but she didn’t make it back in time.” . . . Helpless, I turned from doctor back to human being. I took his hand in my own, which he then gripped with all his might, tugging me toward his tear-streaked, panic-stricken face. “I’m here, ” I said. “I’m right here.” Our gaze remained locked as he suffocated right in front of me. . . . ” Pages 30-31, Chapter 2
    A most powerful passage!

    There are so many messages in that passage. The most profound one for me is many in the health care field have lost the humanity of being human and that we should never lose sight of the most powerful of Oath’s, “First, do no harm.”
    Your compassion is inspirational and continually drives me to be a better physician and human being! Thank you. Namaste.

    • Thea

      Dr HemoDynamic: That passage made me tear up and I still remember it. I love how Dr. Greger turned those types of experiences *not* into hopelessness, but into a drive to change things.

      • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

        His passage rekindled a powerful moment in my life. My mother, who while having a debulking surgery for her softball size ovarian mass had a massive stroke that left her nearly completely unresponsive.

        Knowing the cancer was throughout her body and knowing she was not going to ever recover before she would die from the terminal cancer, we as a family decided for compassionate care.
        I instructed the nurse to increase the morphine. As the morphine infusion was increased I held my mothers hand and looked into her half open, blank eyes letting her know that I was right there. The moment before she died she became very lucid, widely opened her eyes staring directly into mine, crying, as if to say ‘I’m sorry, I didn’t mean for this to happen. I Love You!’

        Even though this brings up so many emotions in me, I feel very blessed that I could be there to hold her hand and comfort her in her last moments. I feel blessed to be a human being. I feel blessed that there are many other compassionate human beings who work with and frequent the amazing website and environment who feel the same as I do about providing presence and compassion to the other human beings who surround us.
        Thank you for listening Thea.

        • Thea

          I’m crying now.

          Your mother was lucky to have you. I feel blessed that I have been able to interact with you through this forum. May your mother rest in peace.

          • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

            I was lucky to have her! Smiles!

          • Lin

            this makes my heart hurt!

        • Charzie

          This website and forum are the most consistently positive attributes for me on any given day, and I am so grateful for it, and everyone who shares in it. You have all changed my life for the better, coming here feels like home, only more intelligent! LOL!
          Thanks for sharing your story, it sure struck a chord. Losing a loved one is never easy, but being with them when they go is a blessing to treasure, although many would question that.
          Also, way back in 1974 I had recently become ecstatically pregnant with my second child, when a fast growing ovarian mass suddenly began taking over my body and dramatically altering the course of our future. Because it was so fast growing that it interfered with the pregnancy, and because they said the maternal hormones were fueling the growth, the first recommendation was a therapeutic abortion followed by.testing and surgery. I was petrified and devastated. One amazing day I was participating in the creation of new life, and the day after, death was staking a claim on both of us. Abortion was unthinkable, but because I hadn’t even made it to the first trimester, the baby’s chances of survival were poor anyway. If I opted to wait and give him a chance to develop and grow, it could complicate our prospects further, but as any mother knows, that invisible fetus is already your child, and a priority. I remember everyone being so concerned about me… the “baby” was a non-entity to them and the doctors, which infuriated me! Nobody was happy with my decision to postpone any action or testing and just sit it out so he hopefully could grow and have a better chance, but that is what I decided. I worked to control the stress hormones but the eventual pain and discomfort made it increasingly difficult. My goal was to wait until the baby’s formative stage was completed, and the growth cycle ensued, and I did manage that.
          Long story short, the surgery removed 3 large ovarian cysts and an ovary, but left a baby! I refused any meds that weren’t absolutely necessary and four months later my beautiful son was born healthy and strong. Other than a bit of breast development from the hormone shots I got, there were no issues, he grew up big and strong and scored in the 96th percentile throughout his school years. He just turned 40, but it still seems like yesterday.

          • Alexandre

            omg amazing!!!!

          • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

            That’s fantastic! Just like all babies–It truly is miraculous. But your experience makes it that much more precious!

          • livewire

            Charzie, your faith in life and healing is inspiring.

          • Rhombopterix

            Wow

          • Rhombopterix

            Hi Charzie, I’ve been thinking about your post and some other deeply moving stories that pop up here for a few days now. I just wanted to say that one reason it is important to me that you post your experience is because it teaches more than technical detail. I knew that ectopic pregnancies occurred but until I read your post it had no emotional meaning to me. Your personal courage is more than inspiring, although it certainly is that. Its just that it helps me recalibrate my present situation…counting my blessings I guess. NF is a good meeting place. Lots of fact to be sure. Whole lotta heart here too. Thanks for that.

    • Rhombopterix

      Message to Rhombo: Plant poppies

    • Karl Young

      Excellent post though I’m still trying to get my brain how it is that one can have “lost the humanity of being human” :-) (OK, OK I know what you meant…)

    • Ⓥince Green

      Hey, this might interest you.
      http://upalumni.org/medschool/

      • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

        What a gem of a find! Thanks for sharing!

    • It’s encouraging to see Doctors like you and Dr Greger being compassionate in very difficult circumstances. We took my sister to see the head of Neurosurgery at a major Hospital for a second opinion. He said and I quote “she needs a nuclear bomb inside her head now. And that may extend her life for another 3 months.” The shock in the room was palpable. It is an unforgettable moment.

      • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

        I have experienced many very insensitive physician comments but that is up there in the top ten for sure. Sorry you have to experience that.

      • HemoDynamic, MD – NF Volunteer

        Here’s an interesting quote from Dr. Gregers memoirs from 3rd and 4th years of medical school.

        “From an interview in Redbook, Dr. Spock on medical students:

        [The sociological study] showed, discouragingly, that the level of interest in patients as people was high on entering medical school, went down precipitously during the four years of school and the years of internship and residency and reached a low point at the start of practice…. Unfortunately, when departments of psychiatry tried to teach students in the third and fourth year of medical school about people’s feelings – including their own – they found that many students had already developed such a deeply impersonal attitude that it was difficult or impossible to warm them up.[22]”

        Here’s the link and a very insightful read. Heart Failure – Diary of a Third Year Medical Student
        What Dr. Greger discusses and observes parallels my experience of medical school as well, and there are numerous times I was looking for a way out during my 3rd and 4th years of medical school but my student debt load was already over $200,000 by then so I was locked in–locked into the insanity of medicine.

        • Thank you for the link. It’s certainly an enlightening read. And it’s great to see that you and Dr Greger have managed to maintain your sanity and humour despite the painful journey through Medical school.

      • livewire

        That was unconscionable.

        My grandmother had a stroke at age 70, many years ago. Her doctor told my mother “She’ll just be a vegetable. Put her in a nursing home and forget her.” Mom was aghast. But guess what? Grandma made a complete recovery and, the best revenge, outlived the doctor! She died at 91 while still living on her own.

        • It’s wonderful to read that she made a complete recovery despite her Doctor’s prognosis.

  • Rhombopterix

    Wouldn’t be like, the ultimate fail if Monday headline is “Nope, not even IV VC does anything.”

    • Joe Caner

      Yeah, that would be amusing.
      Then quickly followed by video cliffhanger series on Laetrile, the Budwig protocol, the Gerson therapy, Hoxsey therapy and DCA.

      • Alexandre

        Dr G already has a video(s) on Gerson Therapy

        • Joe Caner

          Thank you Alexandre, I’ve seen it. I was actually disappointed about the research conclusion of the video because when I first encounter Gerson’s treatment, it seemed so promising.
          I mean, what could be more healthy sounding than expeller cold pressed carrot and celery juice except for more expeller cold pressed carrot and celery juice followed by coffee enemas and a raw diet sans the raw calf’s liver of course. ;-)

          • Alexandre

            yea me too!! why the hell they use the raw calf’s liver? its not mentioned anywhere, films, websites, some pdfs I remember reading etc and its against their thing against animal foods. actually there’s another documentary about cancer treatment called BURZYNSKI I would love if Dr G would review it, I see there’s something on pubmed about it but cant open the article

          • jj

            They did use raw calf’s live but discontinued that item at some point. And amazingly they have cured many people. What was all that? Not smoke and mirrors.

          • Joe Caner

            The power of plants based nutrition perhaps? If person had been eating a meat heavy diet, switching over to an exclusive plant based diet can be powerful medicine as Dr. Greger has sited several times in his body work, and may just be precisely what those particular people required to support their body’s innate power to heal.

          • jj

            Direction, nutrition, exercise and hope. An atmosphere of people who understand and care. Many of these therapies are all about supporting the body’s innate power to heal.

          • Joe Caner

            And that hope and/or believe in treatment may very well be the operative phenomenon or at least a major contributing component leading to remission. A quote taken from Dr. Greger’s video:
            The Lie That Heals: Should Doctors Give Placebos? ( http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-lie-that-heals-should-doctors-give-placebos/ ) Is instructive in light of Chemo Therapy’s rather poor performance, 2.1% efficacy, see:
            ( http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-role-of-vitamin-c-in-the-treatment-of-terminal-cancer/ )

            “It’s ironic that physicians often condemn alternative medicine quacks for giving useless remedies when they themselves do the same thing.”

      • Rhombopterix

        That ear candle thing might could amuse…if burning at both ends

        • Joe Caner

          Your comment about burning candles has jarred a memory from days gone by. My mother was, and I am assuming still is, a proponent of a folk remedy known as cupping. She credits it for saving her life when she was a little girl from a bout of pneumonia pre antibiotics. As an aside, it is interesting that there are people who very well might see the rise a fall of antibiotics as an effective treatment for infectious disease.

          The process involved, at least as she practiced it, involved tying a square of cloth around a penny which was then placed upon the back of the one being treated penny side down, lit on fire, and a small glass was placed over the burning ember, whereupon, the vacuum would suck the skin into the glass drawing the excess moisture from the lungs of the one being treated, or at least, that was the belief. The process would be repeated all over the back until the vacuum would no longer draw the treated person’s back skin into the glasses.

          I had seen her perform the treatment several times as a child, and I always looked on with fascination during the treatment process. I remember wondering how moister being drawn out of someone’s back skin could have anything to do with fluid in their lungs, but it certainly seemed to be effective at clearing the congestion in their lungs.

          I have no idea how one would devise a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled crossover study to test this procedure.

          • Rhombopterix

            I do whatever they want to ease the suffering. Good going Joe.

    • Balasubramanya Nadiga

      Inconclusive (but possibly with further pointers) is another possibility to consider though

      • Alexandre

        SPOILER ALERT!

        • Balasubramanya Nadiga

          Thanks. Did not know how to edit comment. Should have just replied again. Sorry

  • Robert Elsinga

    Vitamin C as in the synthetic form is missing the co factors that delivers the vitamin to the area it needs to go to. Isolation takes the delivery system away. Natural vit C is the most effective with cancer treatment. For complete cellular support you should also use a redox supplement like ASEA that balance the immune responses.

    • Roberta

      Yes I think the update will be about the missing cofactors

  • mitch96

    This is driving me nuts…. Where is the fast forward button???? I want to believe the IV vit C will work better than Chemo… I guess I’ll have to wait like the rest of us.. BTW the chelation people have been touting the bennies of vit c for years.. Especially for the common cold if I recall…

  • Alexandre

    I remember seeing a page or something where Dr Greger shows a list of the upcoming videos, anyone knows where it can be found? :) thank you!

  • guest

    OFF TOPIC QUESTION: Dr. Greger in his book mentions home sprouting a few times. I’d like to grow broccoli sprouts but I’m worried about nasty bacteria tainting the sprouts. (Every now and then you hear about people getting food poisoning by eating store-bought sprouts.) I watched three videos on home sprouting on YouTube but none of them even mentioned the danger. Can those experienced in home sprouting please shed light on this? Thanks

    • Wilma Laura Wiggins

      I made them and no
      problem. Just be hygienic.

      • guest

        Thank you all very much for responding to my question. I’m going to give it a try.

    • D-Rex

      I have “bean” sprouting for over a year now and never had a problem…if I remember correctly the commercial sprouting problem came from the tainted water…i could be wrong…check this one…they have been growing and sprouting for generations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtH7Im1rWjs

    • Charzie

      I have sprouts going all the time and have never had an issue. Personally, I think it is a lot safer to grow them at home under your own conditions than risk who knows what from who knows where! I am also perpetually fermenting foods too, so have a huge respect for our microbe friends who are behaving well and increasing health rather than detracting from it. Originally I was so focused on keeping things squeaky clean and sterile, but humanity has been fermenting for eternity in far less than sanitary conditions…and that’s why! We live in a germphobic society, so it’s natural to worry I guess, but my kitchen has such a happy set of microbes going, I never even need a starter for my ferments, they are indigenous now. They protect my gut and my kitchen…billions of little soldier dudes!

    • jennifer metz

      I’ve been growing and consuming broccoli sprouts daily for decades now , and I’ve never had a problem. The trick is to completely drain all the water so mold doesn’t take hold. You will know when this happens..they get black spots and smell. Handy Pantry sells great sprouting trays and seeds( must be organic) that are much easier than jars.

  • JosephOlstad

    All Greger’s videos to me were a source of insight and excitement. Now that I have family diagnosed with cancer, I’m getting more frustrated.WHERE DO I GO to implement some of these alternative therapies that show promise? If it turns out vitamin C is as effective as chemo, do I just call my father’s oncologist and order up some intravenous C with a side of curcumin? Does anyone know how to move from the research to actual protocols? Anyone?

    • Matthew Smith

      I would recommend you try 50,000 IU of D3. You should also try Phosphorus. Doctors have known since the 1920s that cancer was related to a phosphorus deficiency. Perhaps Iron and Selenium would also be effective for you. Dr. Greger recommends some foods for cancer For cancer, including garlic, broccoli, spinach, and beets, walnuts, pecans, lemons, cranberries, turmeric, ginger, rosemary, matcha, hibiscus, white tea with lemon, flaxseeds, alma, black raspberries, and white button mushrooms. B17 and germanium were thought to be effective at preventing cancer. Essiac tea and PawPaw were unregulated treatments for cancer. B3, B Complex, Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin D, Folic Acid, Selenium, Zinc, and Coenzyme Q10 were used as vitamins for treatment of Cancer by Dr. Hoffer. My prayers are with you!

    • Jeanne Bischoff

      There are many resources. To start, go to cancertutor.com. Also watch Ty Bollinger’s “The Truth About Cancer.” There’s a great group on Facebook called Curing Cancer Naturally. Good luck!

      • JosephOlstad

        Thank you all for answering. I have some staring points now.

        • Alan

          Also i suggest that you google Alan Smith from New Zealand and look into his story about Lypo-Spheric Vit C.

        • vlp

          I’m no expert but I did spend enormous amounts of time researching cancer (I was diagnosed with stage 3 colorectal cancer in Jan 2015) and I think it is fair to say that there are tons of quacks out there in the world, and if they want to charge you exorbitant amounts of money to cure your cancer with enemas, IV Vitamin C, wheatgrass, voodoo machines that generate fields, who knows what else—I think you should see through those and abstain from that route. I believe the WFPB diet, Dr. Greger’s daily dozen, with regular exercise and perhaps caloric restriction is the best thing possible. I also consumed some additional mushrooms and nutritional yeast, daily turmeric, and other spices but nothing wacko. I went through the neoadjuvant chemoradiation like a good compliant patient before I knew anything at all, but then refused the surgery. The tumor is now gone, I’ve changed my diet for ever, and will never go back to eating animal products and processed foods. I’ll never know what all the factors may be that cured me, and the cancer may come back since I’ve had so much radiation, but I’ll give my body the best chance it has. My message is to avoid quacks…the millionaires selling cancer treatments. I think Dr. Peter Peterson’s lab at Johns Hopkins is really on to something with their work on cancer metabolism, and I don’t understand why 3-bromo-pyruvate hasn’t been started in cancer trials yet. It does make you think there is a conspiracy. I suppose it would crash the global economy if a cancer cure was easily available. But eating the way nature has intended for us to eat is the best cure for everything and I don’t think we are going to survive as a species if we don’t change our diets, universally, globally.

          • VeganGal

            Conventional medicine saved my life. I had surgery to remove a small brain tumor followed by Cyborknife treatments. Then a tumor was found in my lung. Turns out I had stage IV melanoma. Just a few years ago I would have been dead by now (7 months following diagnosis). The new immunotherapy treatments I’ve been getting have shrunk my tumor and prevented new tumors from developing. Probiotic supplements and aspirin have been shown to increase the efficacy of immunotherapy, so I use them. Immunotherapy is being used for ever more cancers. It is a real miracle. It uses your own immune system to destroy cancer cells, not healthy cells. Pretty cool! Do your research. Go to a reputable cancer clinic for treatment, get a second (or third) opinion, look for drug trials, and be sure you have an oncologist you trust. Eat well, and use probiotics and antiinflamatories if you are on immunotherapy. BTW, I have had 2 friends die in the last 2 years of cancer, because they chose to use diet and alternative therapies instead of conventional medicine. Both these wonderful people would have survived. Such a tragedy. Yes, there are quacks out there, padding their pockets by getting people to believe their cancer will be cured using baking soda, coffee enemas, and chanting. If people understood biology they would know that those treatments don’t work. Eat right and hopefully you’ll never get cancer. If you do, be smart about your treatments. As to the comments about the Mayo Clinic trying to screw up the Vit. C Experiment results on purpose, Dr Gregor states in his film that at the time, it wasn’t understood that giving people Vitamin C orally would be different than by IV. Having test subjects take the Vit. C orally meant that they could take it at home. Having to get the Vit. C with an IV would mean that test subjects would have to get it in a clinic- a much more expensive way to do it, and more hassle for test subjects.

          • John

            Most of the people who use radiation and chemotherapy die from it rather than from the cancer. Millions of people who use those would have survived had they used coffee enemas to rid the liver of the tumor tissue. Your dead tumor tissue gets stuck in your liver. When your liver can’t work, you can’t work. Coffee enemas come from the conventional medical literature-the Merck manual. Oncologists stopped using them not because they are ineffective, but because they are inexpensive and effective. They can’t patent that procedure, nor can they make millions off of it. Check out Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez’ videos on you tube. John

          • עדית פרימן

            your story is so inspiring and i am so happy to hear that you are cured! amazing

    • VegCoach

      Unless you can find an oncologist who is familiar with the benefits of plant-based nutrition and can set you up with a coach, you will have to leave the country as far as I know because the FDA will not support this type of cancer treatment. The Gerson Institute is in Tijuana -or Dr. Gary Gautier in Costa Rica : drgaryg@webnatura.com. You could try on your own or supplement standard chemo treatment, etc. with a WFPB no oil diet. See PCRM 21 day Kickstart, for example.

      • JosephOlstad

        Thank you, thank you.

        • Matthew Smith

          Have you had a dark cola? Do you like the taste of Coke or Pepsi? Why not have a six pack of full sugar dark soda. It couldn’t hurt. Maybe even the Phosphorus in it could be helpful.

      • Colin Wright

        Dr Greger has some critical videos on Gerson Therapy you may want to check out.

    • Jess

      Wichita, Ks
      Riordan clinic

    • Alan

      Look into Lypo-Spheric Vit.C to give in high doses. You do not need a DR to administer it. LivOn labs is a good place to get it.

    • John

      Check out The Truth about cancer, cancertutor, Green Med Info, and other reliable sources.
      John

    • Charzie

      Stay away from oncologists, they have a lethal agenda. My dad and brother didn’t die of their cancer, they died of the treatments. I was horrified to learn that the torture they both went through only offers a 2-3% chance of 5 year survival, and that applies to all the surgery/chemo/radiation combos. Their quality of life would have been infinitely better if they did NOTHING, but there are some promising treatments out there, starting with DIET! Ty Bollinger has a whole series of Cancer alternative videos , check him out. The last one, a Global Quest for the Cure ran a while back, some of them may still be available on Youtube.

    • Lee

      Joseph Olstad, I wish I’d had someone in my family who could have asked the questions you’re now asking, before I endured the cut, poison, burn approach of traditional cancer treatment.

      My outcome was that I eventually got the “all clear of tumors” scan, but to my dismay, I later learned that while chemo and radiation may produce such an “all clear,” that outcome is an illusion. The only real thing
      that scan is saying is that traditional body assaults did eliminate the size of the tumor so it no longer shows up on a scan, and they did kill the non-reproducing cancer cells. Yet, as for the truly dangerous cancer
      cells–the cancer cells which can reproduce: the stem cells–those stem cells become even more resistant as a result of being assaulted. They don’t show up on the scan, but they remain alive and kicking, when all
      is said and done. All you need is one to reproduce, but they remain by the thousands.

      An unwitting cancer patient who believes such an “all clear” means much of anything may thus not be prepared for that same cancer to later start growing again somewhere down the line, possibly somewhere else in the body. (That this is the outcome of chemo and radiation can be verified by searching PubMed.) Obviously, my oncologist didn’t mention this before I was treated. However, much later when I told him what I’d learned, he simply looked at the floor and said nothing. Some studies have shown that up to 80% of oncologists surveyed said they would never treat their family members with the same protocols they use for their patients–and I would imagine that this in just one of the reasons why. Cancer longevity stat’s, which conveniently are kept for just five years after treatment completion, thus don’t tell even half the tale.

      If I were to be treated again, I’d go the IV Vitamin C route. It apparently can work pretty fast, with no harmful side effects, and tests to verify its effectiveness can be done with blood samples (rather than through the traditional approach of exposure to toxic radiation scans). Since my treatment, I’ve become more aware of the enormous range of safe, efficacious cancer treatment alternatives through the last two video series of “The Truth about Cancer”–exposures which then cued me to do research of my own. I’ve also heard Dr. Thomas Levy (cardiologist) lecture twice on the effectiveness of intravenous Vitamin C injections to eliminate cancer (all of the cancer, and NOT just the non-reproducing cells). At this video link, you can get a sense of the range of Dr. Levy’s extensive experiences with vitamin C:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQIjj0dMEF0

      As for locating a professional who will administer IV Vitamin C for cancer, I might suggest that you contact Dr. Levy through his site to ask for a recommendation: http://www.peakenergy.com/contact.php
      (In the lectures I heard, he invited people with questions to write him, which is why I feel free to mention that option.) You could also start calling the leading naturopaths or integrative medicine specialists in
      your area to ask for such referrals. It’s not an unknown treatment in alternative medicine circles. I do suggest you spare yourself the agony of asking your father’s oncologist to administer Vitamin C, however, because the response is 99.9% likely to be dismissive.

      In this article, Dr. Levy (who is also an attorney) discusses the patient’s rights to be treated with Vitamin C, physician skepticism notwithstanding: http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v06n26.shtml

      Should your father elect to go the traditional treatment route–which would be understandable given how much fear is continually conditioned into us to use those traditional methods–the IV injections would still be useful. They could shore up his immune system to rally from those assaults. He would thus feel better than the average patient when having poisons (from canisters marked with skull and crossbones labels) dumped into his veins, to pour out near his heart, and would hopefully be spared feeling as wretched as I once did.

      My final observations here come from cell biologist, Dr. Bruce Lipton (author of the groundbreaking “The
      Biology of Belief,” which proved that our attitudes/beliefs activate or de-activate our genetic codes and hence our biology). Dr. Lipton has indicated that since belief is so tremendously powerful in the healing
      process, the “best” treatment route for a cancer patient might be the one the patient believes in the most. Consequently, while there are many well-informed responses offered here for you to consider, it’s
      still important for you to also get clear on the approach with which your dad most deeply identifies.

      From personal experience, I’ll add that it can be hard to think clearly or objectively once the diagnosis has been given. So it could be that your dad may not be able to take in quite as much education as you may be
      able to offer him at this time. Consequently, if he were my dad, I’d learn what I could and teach him what I could, but I’d also never lose sight of the approach for which he ultimately holds the most hope and belief. That healing component transcends just about anything a physician can offer, as Lipton has proven in his research. Consequently, despite the fact that modern medicine ignores this factor, it’s not something to be taken lightly. If you don’t hold it front and center, who can?

      As for the power of belief and the placebo effect, I just finished reading “The Emperor’s New Drugs” by Irving Kirsch, Ph.D., a leading researcher of the placebo effect. As you likely know, the placebo effect is based on what patients believe about the efficacy of their treatment. In an extremely thorough examination of anti-depressant drug trials (where Dr. Kirsch reviewed all the research submitted to the FDA–including research never made known to the public), Dr. Kirsch and his team discovered that buried within that research was the proof that the most efficacious treatments were the ones the patients believed in the most (regardless of whether the patients were conditioned to believe in medicine, sugar pills,
      water, shots, surgeries, etc.). In fact, as he very carefully lays out in the book, the placebo effect outperformed just about every pharmaceutical drug Kirsch examined. In that book, Kirsch also presented placebo research which revealed that the bigger the faux intervention (such as surgery), the more profound and dramatic the placebo effect became. Most pointedly, the placebo effect is at play even for “known” treatments regarded as bona fide. That’s how important it is.

      Such research reaffirms that it matters that the approach in which your dad places his deepest trust and confidence, be at the heart of what shapes the ultimate direction. Consequently, while the oncologists do their thing treating your dad like a machine with parts to be manipulated, your vital role can be to protect the fullness of your dad’s humanity, including how his beliefs can and will influence the outcomes. As his
      advocate and ally, you’re in a position to honor your father’s right to be actively engaged in the healing process in a way that no doctor would or can.

      Get clear about the fact that cancer is NOT the bogey man that the cancer industry makes it out to be. Honestly. It CAN be beat. Even 4th stage “you have just a week to live” cancer has been beaten by many who stepped outside the box. Dr. Charles Majors, for example, a chiropractor, who believed in food as medicine and the body’s natural ability to heal, initially went through all the usual traditional cancer treatments, but was ultimately given just days to live. With his last ounces of energy, however, he got himself to a nutritional treatment center (where I would say that his beliefs partnered with the direction he took). There his life was saved. He then went on to write about that experience in “The Cancer Killers,” along with outstanding cancer information in general. His co-author, Sayer Ji, is one of the foremost health researchers around, and that is evident in the book. (You can find Dr. Majors talking about his experiences on YouTube, also. His story is compelling.)

      Mr. Olstad, it’s really important, in my opinion, that you go into this really knowing that cancer CAN be beat. Don’t let the word “cancer” scare you any more than the word “schmanzer.” Fear sells mega-expensive cancer treatments and autocratic physician control, but it has nothing to do with healing. That’s the view that I’ve adopted now–not due to traditional treatment, but rather due to what I’ve learned since my treatment. Likewise, you can learn, too, but while also trusting your instincts, and very importantly, while supporting your dad in trusting his. I wish you and your father wisdom, perseverance and courage for this journey–a journey where you can definitely prevail, so please embed that in the deepest parts of you. Godspeed to you both.

      • JosephOlstad

        Wow Lee. You get the award for the most time invested response. Thank you for your concern. My wife and I read your response with interest. The problem I’m having is discriminating between 3 schools of thought on this: 1) Go the total traditional route, everything else is quackery. 2) Chemo and radiation are virtually acts of suicide. Don’t do them. 3) Do both traditional and complementary therapies. Throw everything at the cancer you can come up with. The rhetoric from all sides is very intense. God grant me wisdom to see my way through this. The prospect of giving wrong advice that may harm rather than heal is haunting.

        • Lee

          Usually, there is time for a cancer patient and the family to well-consider their options. This is the time to take it. I’m sorry that you’ve already been subjected to intense rhetoric, because that isn’t helpful for the task of reflective thinking. It seems par for the course, however, mainly because “cancer” has become such a charged subject (but in my view, quite unnecessarily so). As much as possible, try to maintain your own balance and objectivity, despite the predictable waves of hype which crash around you.

          As for choosing the “right” option, I hope you don’t mind if I reiterate the perspective of Bruce Lipton regarding going with the approach for which you ultimately feel the most trust–the one with which you feel the most comfortable. This means deliberately removing yourself from a normal sense of fear and overwhelm, so as to go about informing yourself about the various options you want to consider, and ultimately settling on one. Concurrent with this, I think it’s important to talk the matter over rationally with those most affected, such as your father and his family. Because we are humans (and not machines), in general, the more empowered the patient feels regarding the treatment, the better the outcome.

          Once you’ve finally settled on a direction, even if your “certainty” is only say 60% when you wish it were 100%, still, go towards your decision with a whole heart. The field of mind-body medicine is filled with evidence about the power of the psyche to affect healing outcomes, and this is why I recommend the “whole heart” approach. Your father needs to adopt this, and he needs to see that same whole-heartedness mirrored in the faces of those he loves. It really doesn’t matter if traditional medicine doesn’t much acknowledge this facet. It still applies.

          As for running into intense treatment positions, my experience with oncologists is that they somewhat reminded me of the rigidity of the fundamentalist religionists around whom I grew up. Not helpful. I’d wish better for you. In retrospect, I could have been more assertive in taking a stand that let them know I needed the space to inquire and learn, free of their pressure–and that if I couldn’t find that with them, I was going to go elsewhere.

          For your questions, I trust you will have plenty of access to oncologists, but what I’m wondering is if you will have sufficient or equal access to innovative, integrative professionals such as, for example, Dr. Levy (and folks like him). For a balanced perspective, I would wish for you to have found at least one highly knowledgeable integrative practitioner with whom you might consult. Having such a practitioner available to you will prove to be a lifeline for the extra fortitude you’ll likely need to even slightly vary from traditional treatment formulas.

          However, no matter whom you consult, the decision must always remain yours (and your family’s). Don’t give the power away to anyone, no matter how authoritative, intimidating, or convincing they may seem. To the best of my knowledge, people in general have very little awareness about how to do their own patient advocacy. This is a severe imbalance in the system. My own reflections on that acutely experienced need have been sufficient to motivate me to write you extensively two times now.

          While I know the issue of best medical direction is weighing on you, it remains that you (and your family) have a unique role in being a moral support, cheerleader, and voice of faith and hope for your father. It’s a role only you and your family can play, so it’s important that you play it. Take your cues from your dad (more than even from the doctors), because he knows what he needs in terms of support more than anyone. As but one example, cancer (on its own) can create physiological depression, because the body is under great stress. Then if there are invasive treatments, the tendency for depression sky-rockets. However, if the patient feels shored up by the on-going support and encouragement of his loved ones, that alone makes a world of difference in warding off depression (a difference that anti-depressant medicine can only dream of replicating). Depression reduces immunity, and that is why being pro-active is important.

          Regarding the importance of such support, I’ll mention that when I was diagnosed, I was living 1500 miles from my two grown children. When my local specialist heard that, he encouraged me to get on the next plane to get my treatment where my children were. His view was that medical treatment is but half the equation, and that family (or social) support is the other half of the equation. While he is an outstanding surgeon whom I very much trust, he didn’t want me to utilize him, if it meant doing so without my family. Therefore, I accepted his reasoning, and relocated for the treatment (feeling like I’d already won half the challenge just by doing so).

          You can supply such support to your dad even without having any “expertise” in cancer treatment. I hope that is a reassurance to you, given how much it affects treatment outcomes. Being a support person includes following through with what I mentioned above, such that once you use your gut to make the decision that feels the best to you (after reviewing/discussing all your options), then go full bore with that, while being there for your father. Be strengthened by the knowledge that cancer is (in most situations) very treatable.

          That same role of you and your family will need to continue once the treatment has concluded, also. Here’s why. At that point, informed lifestyle changes will need to occur to assure that the cancer doesn’t return. So once the treatment decision is made, start informing yourself about those changes. The oncologists won’t tell you that, so I’m telling you.

          Cancer in general is a result of an ill body (one deficient in nutrients, or over-filled with toxins, or burdened by chronic stress or poor lifestyle habits, etc.). The Dr. Majors book I recommended to you carries a sub-title such that the cause is the cure (meaning that understanding the basic causes will show you how to cure it). Learn about it so your dad isn’t set up for a “surprise” recurrence. Such wisdom remains relevant for the remainder of the cancer patient’s life. It’s not rocket science. It’s rather a matter of taking health more intentionally and intelligently than it was taken prior to the diagnosis.

          Educate yourself, and then trust yourself and those with whom you share this decision. Go forward with confidence once the final decision is made, for the best possible outcome. Even though I made all the “wrong” decisions (in retrospect), I’m still alive and kicking at the age of 65–and due to my new understanding of self-care, I expect to be around a good while longer. I’m glad your father has you, and I wish you all the best.

          • Lisa

            Check out Chrisbeatcancer.com

          • Lee

            Thanks, Lisa! I love Chris’ work. It’s a great video, and I’m glad you linked to it.

          • JosephOlstad

            Again Lee, thank you for the time investment in these emails. Your section on supporting my dad by my presence was particularly timely. I just asked him basically if he wants me to come to where he is at. He not surprisingly said no. I wonder if he feared I was going to make him eat a bunch of unfamiliar food or he just didn’t want to bother me or have me make a fuss. There’s a good chance I’ll just go down anyway to be there. Thank you again for your support.

          • Lee

            Joseph, you are very welcome!
            As for your dad, he may well be someone who doesn’t want to seem “needy” (where needy gets defined as an extreme along the lines of: yes, you can carry me from this burning building now that my legs are broken). Also, as a parent, I can testify that it’s hard to permit role reversal (where your grown children help you, rather than the reverse–no matter how loving the grown children may be). One thing you might consider is making your visits be about you (and not about him), where you convey that you show up because you love him, like spending time with him, want to be involved in his life (etc.). Depending on your dad, levity might work also (as in: I feel good being in this decor, or you can’t beat the free wifi here, etc.). As I’d mentioned, if directly asking him if he’d like support is not something to which he’s much responsive, then ways of showing up that take the focus off him might work better.

            For that same goal, here’s a separate idea. It’d be great if your dad somehow felt he was helping YOU (by letting you be there for him). Here’s an illustration from my friend that perhaps you can find a way to possibly apply to your situation. After her mom passed, my friend tried many times to get her dad to relocate and live with her, but year after year he refused. Eventually, it dawned on her that he didn’t wish to seem like he needed help, so she told him that she was lonely living all alone in her fairly large home, and it surely would be wonderful to have his company. As soon as the invitation got re-framed to be about her (and not about him), he came, and contentedly stayed there until he passed.

            On a separate note, I most definitely thought of you and your family today when I listened to an excellent audio interview with Dr. Susan Silberstein, the founder of BeatCancer.org. I had earlier mentioned to you that it would be helpful if you had someone very knowledgeable in your corner to consult about options. To my delight, that is exactly what her site does. It’s an educational site rich with information, which also offers highly personalized cancer consultations. The site is a non-profit, so if the client is unable to pay for the consultations, the services are free.

            Because it’s educational, no particular treatment direction is advocated. Rather, the client is interviewed extensively about her/his situation, so that resources and information can be delivered to cohere with who they are and what they want. The goal of the counseling is to empower the client with hope and understanding to make the best possible decisions. You had mentioned three treatment options (go conventional; go alternative; do both), and all those options are supported at her site. The aim is to put the patient in the driver’s seat, so as to create the highest quality of life possible, both during treatment and thereafter. She’s been doing this work since 1977.

            The story of how Dr. Silberstein came to found her site is compelling (her husband died of cancer), and I think it’d be worth your while to listen to her remarks. It’s a 50-minute interview:

            http://www.naturalhealth365.com/free-show
            You’ll probably need to catch it prior to Sunday, however. The site producing the interview is a subscription site, except for free Sunday shows. This Dr. Silberstein interview is currently available on the upcoming Sunday promotional page, being listed as an interview from the past–so I surmise it will disappear back into the subscription archives when the 1/17/16 show is aired.

        • Lee

          Usually, there is time for a cancer patient and the family to well-consider their options. This is the time to take it. I’m sorry that you’ve already been subjected to intense rhetoric, because that isn’t helpful for the task of reflective thinking. It seems par for the course, however, mainly because “cancer” has become such a charged subject (but in my view, quite unnecessarily so). As much as possible, try to maintain your own balance and objectivity, despite the predictable waves of hype which crash around you.

          As for choosing the “right” option, I hope you don’t mind if I reiterate the perspective of Bruce Lipton regarding going with the approach for which you ultimately feel the most trust–the one with which you feel the most comfortable. This means deliberately removing yourself from a normal sense of fear and overwhelm, so as to go about informing yourself about the various options you want to consider, and ultimately settling on one. Concurrent with this, I think it’s important to talk the matter over rationally with those most affected, such as your father and his family. Because we are humans (and not machines), in general, the more empowered the patient feels regarding the treatment, the better the outcome.

          Once you’ve finally settled on a direction, even if your “certainty” is only say 60% when you wish it were 100%, still, go towards your decision with a whole heart. The field of mind-body medicine is filled with evidence about the power of the psyche to affect healing outcomes, and this is why I recommend the “whole heart” approach. Your father needs to adopt this, and he needs to see that same whole-heartedness mirrored in the faces of those he loves. It really doesn’t matter if traditional medicine doesn’t much acknowledge this facet. It still applies.

          As for running into intense treatment positions, my experience with oncologists is that they somewhat reminded me of the rigidity of the fundamentalist religionists around whom I grew up. Not helpful. I’d wish better for you. In retrospect, I could have been more assertive in taking a stand that let them know I needed the space to inquire and learn, free of their pressure–and that if I couldn’t find that with them, I was going to go elsewhere.

          For your questions, I trust you will have plenty of access to oncologists, but what I’m wondering is if you will have sufficient or equal access to innovative, integrative professionals such as, for example, Dr. Levy (and folks like him). For a balanced perspective, I would wish for you to have found at least one highly knowledgeable integrative practitioner with whom you might consult. Having such a practitioner available to you will prove to be a lifeline for the extra fortitude you’ll likely need to even slightly vary from traditional treatment formulas.

          However, no matter whom you consult, the decision must always remain yours (and your family’s). Don’t give the power away to anyone, no matter how authoritative, intimidating, or convincing they may seem. To the best of my knowledge, people in general have very little awareness about how to do their own patient advocacy. This is a severe imbalance in the system. My own reflections on that acutely experienced need have been sufficient to motivate me to write you extensively two times now.

          While I know the issue of best medical direction is weighing on you, it remains that you (and your family) have a unique role in being a moral support, cheerleader, and voice of faith and hope for your father. It’s a role only you and your family can play, so it’s important that you play it. Take your cues from your dad (more than even from the doctors), because he knows what he needs in terms of support more than anyone. As but one example, cancer (on its own) can create physiological depression, because the body is under great stress. Then if there are invasive treatments, the tendency for depression sky-rockets. However, if the patient feels shored up by the on-going support and encouragement of his loved ones, that alone makes a world of difference in warding off depression (a difference that anti-depressant medicine can only dream of replicating). Depression reduces immunity, and that is why being pro-active is important.

          Regarding the importance of such support, I’ll mention that when I was diagnosed, I was living 1500 miles from my two grown children. When my local specialist heard that, he encouraged me to get on the next plane to get my treatment where my children were. His view was that medical treatment is but half the equation, and that family (or social) support is the other half of the equation. While he is an outstanding surgeon whom I very much trust, he didn’t want me to utilize him, if it meant doing so without my family. Therefore, I accepted his reasoning, and relocated for the treatment (feeling like I’d already won half the challenge just by doing so).

          You can supply such support to your dad even without having any “expertise” in cancer treatment. I hope that is a reassurance to you, given how much it affects treatment outcomes. Being a support person includes following through with what I mentioned above, such that once you use your gut to make the decision that feels the best to you (after reviewing/discussing all your options), then go full bore with that, while being there for your father. Be strengthened by the knowledge that cancer is (in most situations) very treatable.

          That same role of you and your family will need to continue once the treatment has concluded, also. Here’s why. At that point, informed lifestyle changes will need to occur to assure that the cancer doesn’t return. So once the treatment decision is made, start informing yourself about those changes. The oncologists won’t tell you that, so I’m telling you.

          Cancer in general is a result of an ill body (one deficient in nutrients, or over-filled with toxins, or burdened by chronic stress or poor lifestyle habits, etc.). The Dr. Majors book I recommended to you carries a sub-title such that the cause is the cure (meaning that understanding the basic causes will show you how to cure it). Learn about it so your dad isn’t set up for a “surprise” recurrence. Such wisdom remains relevant for the remainder of the cancer patient’s life. It’s not rocket science. It’s rather a matter of taking health more intentionally and intelligently than it was taken prior to the diagnosis.

          Educate yourself, and then trust yourself and those with whom you share this decision. Go forward with confidence once the final decision is made, for the best possible outcome. Even though I made all the “wrong” decisions (in retrospect), I’m still alive and kicking at the age of 65–and due to my new understanding of self-care, I expect to be around a good while longer. I’m glad your father has you, and I wish you all the best.

  • Matthew Smith

    Using nine vitamins, B3, B Complex, Vitamin C, Vitamin E, Vitamin D, Folic Acid, Selenium, Zinc, and Coenzyme Q10, Dr. Hoffer was able to double the lifespan of Cancer patients. Perhaps Phosphorus and Iron would also be worthy vitamins. Dr. Greger recommends broccoli and Garlic like crops for cancer. Garlic is rich in Selenium and Sulfur.

  • Andre Goulet

    To me, it appears obvious that Mayo Clinic did everything to screw up results. Why they did not replicate the original intravaneous treatment at first instead of trying to reinvent the wheel? to me, the reason is obvious and I will leave it to your own judgment. Do they think they can fill us like luggages? Frankly….

    • Matthew Smith

      They published these results so much, and debated Dr. Pauling so strongly, that it as if they didn’t want people to take Vitamin C. Dr. Pauling wrote more than one book about Vitamin C in which he said three grams of Vitamin C a day could add 25 years to life. His results are strongly supported by several research papers in pubmed which directly relate Vitamin C consumption and longevity. There are more than a dozen articles in pubmed about Vitamin C and longevity which indicate there is a direct relationship with regards to the dosage. There have been no studies with regards to megadosed Vitamin C and longevity among the well. There are no studies that report on the “side benefits” of megadose vitamins. The “side benefits” are enormous.

  • Karen and Jeff Hay

    Aloha Dr. Greger,
    Have you heard of people feeling lightheaded and/or getting a skin flush after consuming fenugreek? Our son who has eaten a whole foods plant based diet his whole life (he’s 25 now) says that it happens to him and in fact just did after adding it to his oatmeal. Any insight on this?
    Thanks,
    Jeff and Karen Hay Honolulu, HI

    • Matthew Smith

      A flush after eating fenugreek? Perhaps fenugreek has Niacin in it. Niacin causes a flush in the skin. You should be advised of the skin tingling or burning before you take it. I have been taking Niacin, two grams a day, for mental illness for many months. It makes an improvement.

  • Harry

    Would you please share your opinion on taking coenzyme Q10 supplements?

    • jj

      There are definite reasons for individuals to take it.

    • Matthew Smith

      It is really interesting how important Nitrogen is for making brain molecules. The signaling molecules seem to made mostly of Nitrogen, which can be lost as time goes on. One of the bodies primary source of native Nitrogen is Niacin. A niacin deficiency is called pellagra, which is clinically identical to schizophrenia. Elements like Selenium, Vanadium, and Chromium could be very popular as similar brain molecules like Dopamine, GABA, and Serotonin. Potassium is a powerful medicine for mental health, as is Phosphorus and Nitrogen.

      • Matthew Smith

        The body seems to intake Nitrogen as Amino Acids. These are already used, they cannot be made into anything else, they are processed. Many biomolecules use Nitrogen. To create these they need to be gotten through diet, most probably as Niacin. The body processes Nitrogen and turns it into Amino Acids. The conversation of Amino Acids to Nitrogen might not be possible because of the stability of the Amino Acids. Stability as a deficiency. It is possible that RNA wants to only code for one thing, a very stable compound. Perhaps this could be a metal and not an Amino Acid (stabilized Nitrogen compound).

    • Thea

      Harry: I don’t speak for Dr. Greger, but I think it is reasonable to assume that all of Dr. Greger’s recommendations for supplements would be included in his brand new book. I’m all the way through the book yet, but I have flipped around. As near as I can tell, CoQ10 is not listed in the set of supplements Dr. Greger recommends. And there is a short section in the book in which Dr. Greger explains how our bodies can make CoQ10. I feel the answer is that we really don’t need those supplements. And if we don’t need them, it is best not to take them since we have so many examples of supplements which end up being shown to be harmful. Plus, you can save money if you skip them. I’m not an experts. But that’s what I have gathered so far. What do you think?

  • Dan

    These cliff hangers!!! Arrrg!
    Keep ’em coming!

  • John O’Rourke

    Here is a link to several videos on Intravenous vitamin C and Cancer.
    http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v07n03.shtml

  • VegCoach

    Gosh, we have to wait until Monday?!! This sort of reminds me of the Gerson technique of reversing cancer which includes somewhere around a dozen large, ( like 12-16 oz.), servings of juice per day. Of course the juice is from super high nutrition-filled fruits and veggies. At first I was skeptical because of the possible lack of fiber and bypassing the saliva break-down, (per Esselstyn). But then a Dr. I know who does cancer retreats in Cost Rica said the juicing protocol is almost like “intravenous” application. Perhaps a juice, rather than a pill would process more readily through the intestines?
    In any event, many of us know the power to reverse cancer via plant-based nutrition, but to have controlled empirical studies demonstrating this is a very powerful tool indeed! Can’t wait to see the next vid!

    • Matthew Smith

      There were some doctors who used foods to reverse cancer. There was the Gerson therapy, which used a vegetarian diet and calf liver juice, which contains Phosphorus, there was a German woman who used a specific kind of goat cheese, which also has Phosphorus, and some people have recommended pumpkin seeds for cancer, which is a Vegan source of Phosphorus. Phosphorus deficiencies are linked to Cancer. These doctors reported 90 percent effectiveness in treating cancer. Perhaps they would also need a liver cleanse, such as with certain teas, nuts, or coffee enemas, as Dr. Gerson used.

  • knrme

    Dr Greger, What form of Vitamin C was given? Ascorbic acid ,, the same as a typical supplement? Or was it a complete vitamin C form? Are you familiar with Dr Robert Thompson take on Vitamin C from his recent book the ‘Calcium Lie II ‘ ? TIA Ken

  • healthedsamurai

    I love the drama and excitement! But what form of Vit C is used IV? Sodium ascorbate? Potassium ascorbate? Surely the acid form would wreak havoc with the pH?

  • Alan

    From the things i have read about high doses of Vit. C, even intravenously, that 10,000 mg is not a high dose when trying to fight life threatening diseases. Also it needs to be given often enough to keep the amount in your blood stream high.

  • Jess

    Riordan Clinic in Wichita, Ks has been studying and administering IVC since the 1970’s for various disorders. They will not stop working with you until they find the root cause of your dis-ease. All MD’s or DO’s who have left conventional medicine to actually help people.

  • Matthew Smith

    Many people know the Mayo Clinic studies are controversial. The reason their study failed is perhaps because Vitamin C is a surrogate for the actual foodstuff in question for the disease. That is perhaps the rational for why Vitamin C did not have effect in these studies. Perhaps it was Iron, Phosphorous, or D3 that the doctors of the Mayo Clinic were thinking of when they crafted their study to fail in order to preserve modern oncology. Modern oncology has an effectiveness that is less than 3 percent. Do not lose hope if you are being treated by an oncologist, they are battling for generations.

  • Matthew Smith

    I would like to say that Vitamin C was not more effective than sugar pill in the study. It might have been much more effective than the regular medicines. The placebo effect killed this study, perhaps because it is the right medicine.

  • Mark

    High dose (75-100 grams) IV vitamin C is marginally effective because blood plasma level reaches a therapeutic threshold for only 1-2 hours at best. Vitamin C is rapidly excreted out the kidneys within 2-3 hours. A much better nontoxic chemotherapeutic agent is sodium selenite (inorganic selenium). For more info on this email me at info@nutritionaloncology.net

  • george

    “Terminal” presumably means doctors have exhausted all their options, so a terminal cancer patient has nothing to lose. Whichever the final conclusion of these studies, wouldn’t it make sense to try high-dose vitamin-C treatment rather than let doctors say “our surgery didn’t work, nor did our radiation therapy, nor did our chemotherapy, so nothing will work”? My wife died of breast cancer about ten years ago. I still remember vividly the day the oncologist told us that he was sorry and referred her to hospice care. Had I known then what I know now, I’d have tried high-dose vitamin C therapy, or any other nutrition-based therapy, rather than watch her die. Of course, hindsight is 20/20.

    • Matthew Smith

      I agree with you! They probably gave the Vitamin C to the sickest patents, who were on their death bed. If you compare Vitamin C to a regular medicine you would probably would have twice the benefit.

  • Karl Young

    Is Dr. Greger actually forcing us to go to PubMed ourselves ? The nerve !

  • Wegan

    I hope it won’t be another study like this one http://nutritionfacts.org/video/gerson-therapy-vs-chemotherapy/ where the chemo developer designed a study disproving the natural cure.

    • Hope

      Look up Dr Charles Majors DC, who wrote the book “Cancer Killers”, AND who indeed had cancer of the bone marrow that metastasized to his brain. He had the full treatment regime, radiation, surgery and chemotherapy and when the traditional medical physicians finally told him there was nothing left to do except for hospice, he took control of his life and cured himself. I believe he has videos on youtube. God Bless and Good Luck

    • Matthew Smith

      The Gerson therapy no longer uses Calf liver juice. Perhaps that was one of the most effective paths, as it is a source of Phosphorus among other nutrients. Another German cancer doctor used a certain Goat’s cheese. Perhaps adding back calf liver juice (pasteurized) or pumpkin seeds would add effectiveness. Even dark cola. I am a huge fan of Dr. Gerson. He showed that high levels of Potassium in the blood is a sign of a deficiency. There was an episode of Desperate Housewives in which a doctor said that heart disease was caused by too much Potassium. The man had his blood tested and he had high levels of Potassium in this blood. This means he was deficient of Potassium and that might the cause of his heart disease. The same is true of Phosphorus, I believe. People on dialysis for high levels of Phosphorus in their blood might have a Phosphorus deficiency, in my opinion. There are other elements like this, it might be all of them. They are in the blood because of Osmosis, they are rare in every atom they are being leached into the blood. I would like to thank Dr. Gerson.

  • Kim

    When are you going to be reporting on the erotic novel sales? (Haha, right in the first screenshot / video thumbnail.)

  • Ⓥince Green

    I guessed correctly that they were given oral supplements, I’m proud. ^^
    I’m very curious whether vitamin c will have an effect. I’ve read about iv vitamin c treatments before, from non-scientific sources. when I was only in highschool. Since then I’ve always believed that there might really be some merit to them. “If I were to get cancer, the first thing I do is get vitamin c.”, I always thought when the topic cancer popped up.

  • Kim

    Interesting series! Ugh at having to wait to see where it all goes, though!

  • Brian Tighe

    I took IV vit -c for a tooth abscess 50g than 50g then 75g over a week or so I don’t remember exactly the timing. My dentist would not pull the tooth while I had an infection. It got rid of the infection, but, after a few hours I had a bit of a headache each time, no big deal. But later I found out that it does make your body acidic. My saliva PH went down to 6 or so (normally 7) and it took months for it to come back to normal even with taking alkalizing minerals. It was expensive $350. I could have taken $20 worth of antibiotics and gotten rid of it but I wanted to try it and see what happened.

    • Rhombopterix

      Do you think the ascorbic acid was the cause of pH 6 saliva? Surely the injections were buffered to physiologic pH. Is that a common occurrence with VC therapy? Or did you mean the infection caused the acid pH? Is there a reference for more info. Dr. G has presented some info on alkaline vs. acidic diets but I still don’t get it. Is vinegar alkaline in the diet really?

      • Michael

        This has been around for a long time in Ayurvedic medicine,
        some people are more prone to higher acid levels. Not only foods, but things like fiery
        emotions (anger etc.), and hot weather aggravate acid levels. From how I understand it, meat acids are more
        difficult for the body to remove, as opposed to fruits, and your greens are alkaline. In countries where meat consumption
        is high, you will generally find a large percentage of the population being
        acidic and being too alkaline is rare.

  • Rhombopterix

    I think it was Prof. Pauling who measured how much VC was produced in those animals that make their own vitamin C. Turned out to be equivalent to a human consuming some 10 grams per day. That suggests that somewhere along our evolutionary path our ancestors were making similar quantities. When the mutation in our synthesis pathway happened there was so much vitamin C in our diet the mutation was non-lethal. It spread throughout the population. But we’ve just learned that oral VC is not fully absorbed at high levels. Isn’t that interesting…a non-lethal mutation that makes us vulnerable to more cancer?

    Would … um … suppositories get it into the blood? I’m not volunteering, just wondering

    • Charzie

      One time while at the pharmacy I noticed all the prescriptions said “X tablets by mouth” or orally, so I jokingly asked, um, how else are you supposed to get them into you???. She smiled and said, yep, exactly! Whoa! When’s the last time a doctor told you to “stuff 2 aspirins and call me in the morning?”

      • Tom Goff

        I understand that suppositories (rectal or vaginal) are widely used in Europe. It’s supposed to be a very effective way of getting drugs into the system and bypassing the stomach/liver etc. And of course, the Gerson therapy is well-known for using coffee enemas. However, while I prefer tea, when I do drink coffee, I prefer the traditional method of ingestion.
        http://www.copleyscientific.com/home/pharmaceutical-testing/suppository-testing/introduction-to-suppository-testing

        • Charzie

          Yeah, I’d have to agree, but think of all the dirty dishes you could avoid. :)
          When my son was a young teen, he had a horrid, protracted, bout of stomach flu that forced a visit to the ER because he was so dehydrated…couldn’t even keep sips of water down. They told us they were giving him an anti emetic, and shortly after, a young, attractive, nurse walked in with the medicine…in suppository form of course, and asked him to roll over. I only wish I could have had a video record of his expression and reaction to that humiliating bit of info, followed immediately by his glaring disgust at my uncontrolled, hysterical laughter!

          • Tom Goff

            You weren’t tempted to comment “Bummer, Huh” ?

          • Thea

            Groan!

  • Tom Goff

    This is somewhat off-topic but there are a couple of interesting articles in this week’s BMJ on cancer screening. See below for the links.

    I hope that I am not being too cynical when I say that I suspect that the findings will be resisted or largely ignored because screening and treatment of false positives generate so much money for the professionals concerned, hospitals and drug etc companies. Certainly, these ideas are not new and have resolutely ignored so far.

    http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.h6080?etoc=
    http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.h6967?etoc=

    • Thea

      Tom Goff: I am of an age where doctors are pushing those screenings mentioned in the articles. I want to be able to make an informed decision. I have reach the Cochrane reports and McDouggall’s articles. Those articles you listed were extremely helpful in rounding out my education. Thank you!!!

  • Michael

    The 1st two studies seem rather worthless, and should be discarded. And given the way the 1st two tests were performed implies incompetence at the Mayo Clinic. I’m interested in hearing the infusion results, but firmly believe we need another source to implement the study. The Mayo Clinic cannot be trusted.

  • From memory Ascorbic Acid is not Vitamin C. It is a component of Vitamin C and when used in a scurvy trial it was useless and in fact may be harmful. Mostly the so called Vitamin C’s on the shelf are also just Ascorbic Acid and worthless.

    • Tom Goff

      Unless you can offer any evidence for these claims, I’d suggest that you may have been confused or misled somewhere along the way.
      https://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/1001.html

      • No I doubt that Tom. I remember reading the test documents. In light of the fact that pharmaceutical companies are not compelled by law to disclose the full report of any trials I am unlikely to believe anything that is put forward by any organisation that has a financial interest in the result until the law changes. That has been challenged in the UK and full disclosure is now required but still not in other countries like the US where anything can be published. I look forward to the day that this is a requirement and the public can access what the actual results are including what the actual substance tested represents. I will say again that Ascorbic Acid is not Vitamin C and I challenge you to provide the proof that it is.

        Let me add this:

        WHOLE VS. FRACTIONATED

        OK, natural vs. synthetic. Let’s start with Vitamin C. Most sources equate vitamin C with ascorbic acid, as though they were the same thing. They’re not. Ascorbic acid is an isolate, a fraction, a distillate of naturally occurring vitamin C. In addition to ascorbic acid, vitamin C must include rutin, bioflavonoids, Factor K, Factor J, Factor P, Tyrosinase, Ascorbinogen, and other components as shown in the figure below:

        _____________________A s c o r b i c A c i d______________

        ascorbinogen
        bioflavonoids
        rutin

        tyrosinase

        Factor J
        Factor K
        Factor P

        _____________________A s c o r b i c A c i d______________

        V I T A M I N C

        In addition, mineral co-factors must be available in proper amounts.

        If any of these parts are missing, there is no vitamin C, no vitamin activity. When some of them are present, the body will draw on its own stores to make up the differences, so that the whole vitamin may be present. Only then will vitamin activity take place, provided that all other conditions and co-factors are present. Ascorbic acid is described merely as the “antioxidant wrapper” portion of vitamin C; ascorbic acid protects the functional parts of the vitamin from rapid oxidation or breakdown. (Somer p 58 “Vitamin C: A Lesson in Keeping An Open Mind” The Nutrition Report)

        Over 90% of ascorbic acid in this country is manufactured at a facility in Nutley, New Jersey, owned by Hoffman-LaRoche, one of the world’s biggest drug manufacturers (1 800 526 0189). Here ascorbic acid is made from a process involving cornstarch and volatile acids. Most U.S. vitamin companies then buy the bulk ascorbic acid from this single facility. After that, marketing takes over. Each company makes its own labels, its own claims, and its own formulations, each one claiming to have the superior form of vitamin C, even though it all came from the same place, and it’s really not vitamin C at all.

        FRACTIONATED = SYNTHETIC = CRYSTALLINE = FAKE

        The word synthetic means two things:

        – manmade
        – occurs nowhere in nature

        It surprises me that people are still not aware of this and rave about ascorbic acid as being something of value. Why do they put on the label that it needs to be taken with food? Simple, because it is not what is is stated to be and will make you sick. It,s synthetic. Time for the world to wake up to the advertising machine and desire of Govts to make money from taxes and treating those of you who buy into their lies that make you sick.

        • Tom Goff

          I am not a biochemist so obviously I don’t know. All I can go by is the published studies and statements by credible authorities that vitamin C is ascorbic acid.
          If you say it isn’t, then I think that it is you who needs to provide the evidence that it isn’t. I would only note that the link I provided cited 257 studies published in peer reviewed journals to support the statements it made. You on the other hand made a single reference to an article in something called the Nutrition Report to back up your claims. If you were me, which would you find more credible?

          • I will put it in simple terms Tom. Man made = Synthetic. Ascorbic Acid is man made just like 95% of vitamin and mineral supplements on the shelf today. Common white table sugar is synthetic and harmful to your health. When humans interfere with the food chain no good comes from it. If you choose to believe that Ascorbic Acid is Vitamin C then by all means go ahead and take it. Ask yourself this though when you do: Why does it say to take it with food on the label? One answer only, its not a real food vitamin. It will make you feel sick. Separate the funding behind the science and scientists and the non-requirement for full disclosure and keep your mind open to the possibility that you are being fed information that isn’t complete. Look at the history of research done for business (yes scientists work for businesses & Govt grant’s) and you will see a history of lawsuits proving just how many people have lost their lives from non-disclosure on “products”. Keep in mind also that Dr’s are listed in the US Medical Journal as the No 3 killer of humans. Follow the masses and you suffer, free your mind from the fog and you will look further. Thats all I wish to say on the subject as my conscience is clear and I don’t need to provide 200 + potentially biased and incomplete trials to support what I consume.

          • Tom Goff

            Thanks, then I will put it in equally simple terms for you. Every credible health authority on the planet defines vitamin C as ascorbic acid. They also have reams of studies demonstrating its effectiveness, or lack thereof, in particular conditions.
            You, on the other hand, can provide no evidence to support your views but simply make unsupported claims and trot out the “appeal to nature” fallacy. And imply some global conspiracy to hide the “truth”. Can you see why I do not find all that convincing?
            Personally, I prefer to get vitamin C from food sources but have found from experience that additionally supplementing with vitamin C is helpful in preventing/managing respiratory infections. In conclusion, I have no intention of ignoring the published evidence base, the views of biochemists and other health authorities world-wide and my personal experience in favour of your say-so.

          • Goodluck. There are many scientific reports out there but I don’t have the will or time to argue with ignorance and bias.

          • largelytrue

            If you don’t have will or time to invoke scientific research that you have read carefully, then on this fringe position at least, you are ignorance and bias.

          • Not at all. I have read so many “scientific reports” associated with an area I no longer work in because I choose not too. They do exist but your self limiting beliefs are yours and yours alone and create the ignorance that is the human race. So many of you read a study without context and all of the study details or you listen to someone’s opinion of what they read based on their bias and self limiting beliefs. Pure Science is only pure science when it and the reader has an open mind and no agenda. Fortunately I now work in an area that breaks people out of their self limiting beliefs by getting them to face where they got them from and then expose them to reality. You want to believe what someone else says is true or not then that is up to you. I have done my research thoroughly over the last 20 years and I don’t have to prove anything to anybody and least of all you Tom. Have a nice day.

          • largelytrue

            You do have to be prepared to show evidence for claims such as these when you make them in front of many eyes, especially when you persist in claiming that you are so much better informed and so much less biased than people who are skeptical of your claims. You should have known that before making your comment “from memory” and entering into discussion with Tom Goff.

          • Tom Goff

            Good luck to you too. You might find this a useful read, however
            http://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/szentgyorgyi.html

    • Rhombopterix

      Why don’t you review high school chemistry and then read the wiki page on Vitamin C (which is of course l-ascorbic acid) before you trot out your trolling nonsense here. Think you can do that Mr. Wizerd? Yes you can.

  • AlanPreston

    Vitamin C [Ascorbic Acid] is an acid – did it not occur to the researchers that the body couldn’t absorb unlimited quantities of acid (this is what gives you the runs if you’re not used to eating fruit)?
    It was many years ago that I learnt of this, but off the top of my head it is only about 30g (or was it mg) that could be absorbed orally, everything else needs to be intravenous – that’s where the challenge comes in… how do you produce (or find to purchase) a reliable clean source.
    Anyway… back to the topic….

    V-C is essential for a strong immune system.
    For fighting off vira (viruses) or strains of bacterium (bacteria) a strong immune system is great.
    How does a strong immune system help you in relation to cells that failed to respond to apoptosis and are now out of control?

    It would be interesting to hear what Dr Gregor has to say.
    I’m sure he’s not leading us down this garden path for no good reason – so there will be something interesting at the end of it [this is to say that I am looking forward to it].
    I still don’t understand how the strong immune system works with the cancer though…

  • Just because it is called a fact doesn’t make it so. So many truths that people hold onto are simply lies which make them self limiting beliefs. When science is pure science unencumbered by commercial or political gain you will realise that a lot of the published material is absolute rubbish. I have worked in that environment and the lies are worth $trillions.

    • That is how the world works. There’s no easy unravelling of the mess. Most funding has strings attached, nothing happens without funding. That’s what I rely on research analyzing doctors like Michael Greger to do for me. And sometimes I dig a little deeper.

  • Laia Hamton

    I know that European countries VERY LONG ago with intravenous vitamin C treated a number diseases long ago , especially boosting immune system, stopping menstrual bleeding.

  • Cory IronDAD

    Way to go Dr. Greger. This series is really wonderful and I am enjoying sharing it. Keep up the great work and great interview with Rich a few weeks back!

  • Alexandre

    Theres something I just remember because of a conversation here and found out there’s PR articles about it, would be great if NF team and Dr G would review this. There are two films about this treatment that once wasnt allowed in the USA and gained controversy. I know most are quack, this is not the case apparently:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16484713
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24718705
    here is the page to check all articles
    http://www.burzynskimovie.com/burzynski-peer-reviewed-antineoplastons/#.VpEiJPmLTIU

  • Fidel

    If vitamin C (ascorbic acid) absorption into the bloodstream is that tightly controlled by the body, might eating larger amounts of it be one method of acidifying the colon to our advantage?

  • Jeanne Bischoff

    The findings probably won’t be definitive… many alternative experts would likely rate Vit C therapy helpful but not the most powerful. But it’s really perplexing why MD’s wouldn’t supplement with Vit C. I met a man recently at my doctor’s office suffering from ocular melanoma, metatasized to the liver. He was getting mega-IVs of Vitamin C. He was very satisfied… 18 months post-diagnosis, functioning well with no pain, when he’d only been given six months to live. He had originally consulted a huge, famous cancer center everyone’s heard of. At their “integrative” center no one could tell him about dietary recommendations. He said it was at that point he realized he was “on his own.”

  • crazymonkey702

    You tease.

  • Scott

    Sorry for the off-topic comment!

    I’ve been looking through your egg videos, but I think they primarily focus on the yolk. What about the white?

    Are egg whites, in isolation, neutral or even good for my health?

    Thank you!

    • Thea

      Scott: That is a good question. Dr. Greger does have some videos which address egg white, but the bigger picture can be harder to pick out. This is a common question. See below for the answer I give when this question comes up. Let me know if this helps.
      —-
      There are two problems with eggs, the yolk and the white. (To paraphrase Dr. Barnard.) Egg whites are likely a big problem health-wise, just like the yolks. It is true that egg whites do not have cholesterol. But egg whites are essentially all animal protein. Here’s what we know about animal protein in general and egg whites in particular:

      Dr. Barnard links potential kidney problems to animal protein (though I don’t have the details on that). And Dr. Greger talks about the problems of animal protein in general in his annual summary video, “Food as Medicine: Preventing and Treating the Most Dreaded Diseases with Diet” http://nutritionfacts.org/video/food-as-medicine

      Here on NutritionFacts, you can get a great education on how animal protein is linked to the body’s over-production of a growth hormone called IGF-1. IGF-1 helps cancer to grow. To watch the series about IGF-1, click on the link below and then keep clicking the “next video” link on the button to the right until you get through the bodybuilding video. Then you will have seen the entire series.
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/igf-1-as-one-stop-cancer-shop/

      Here’s another great tidbit from NutritionFacts on another mechanism linking egg whites to cancer as well as increased virus infections: “why would animal protein and fat increase cancer risk? Well, as I noted in Bowel Wars, if you eat egg whites, for example, between 5 and 35% of the protein isn’t digested, isn’t absorbed, and ends up in the colon, where it undergoes a process called putrefaction. When animal protein putrefies in the gut, it can lead to the production of the rotten egg gas, hydrogen sulfide, which, over and above its objectionable odor, can produce changes that increase cancer risk. Putrefying protein also produces ammonia.”
      To learn more details about the process, check out:
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/putrefying-protein-and-toxifying-enzymes/

      Darryl at one point reminded me of the methionine issue. Egg whites have *the* highest concentration of methionine of any food:
      http://nutritiondata.self.com/foods-000084000000000000000.html?categories=1,18,9,0,13,14,5,4,42,16,17,15,6,3,2,11,7,19,21,12,10,8,22
      Dr. Greger did a nice video showing the link between methionine and cancer.
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/starving-cancer-with-methionine-restriction/

      Darryl also pointed out that, “…high methionine diets increase coronary risk in humans. In its associations with cardiovascular disease and other disorders, homocysteine may be functioning partly as a marker for the major culprit, excess methionine.”
      http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0939475305001092

      Dr. Greger recently posted some videos on how animal protein can raise insulin levels. The first of the following videos even specifically addresses egg whites.
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleo-diets-may-negate-benefits-of-exercise/#comment-1978464793
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/if-white-rice-is-linked-to-diabetes-what-about-china/

      In summary: there are at least three pathways potentially linking animal proteins, especially egg whites, to cancer: the IGF-1, methionine, and putrefaction. And there is some good evidence that egg white consumption contributes to heart disease and potential problems with T2 diabetes by raising insulin levels in a bad way. All of these reductionist-type studies lend support the bigger general population studies showing that the healthiest populations on earth are those which eat the least amount of animal protein.

      With all of the information we have about the harmful effects of animal protein in general and egg white in particular, I think it’s best to stay away from egg white. Why not get your protein from safe sources? IE: Sources which are known to have lots of positive health effects and will naturally give you a balanced amount of protein? (ie: whole plant foods) Make sense?

  • Oki Doki

    This is a question unrelated to this video concerning soy: I’ve watched your videos about the benefits soy intake may yield. But I’ve also been hearing everywhere that the phyto estrogens in soy may make my body more feminine because they act as estrogen. Is that true or a myth?

    • san

      Fermented soy is best. Soy is also high in oxalates . Consume few times a week in probably fine but Ive read people getting erectile problems etc from too much soy intake. So ya becareful with it.

    • Thea

      Oki Doki: I’ll repost the answer here since you asked again: That is a myth. NutritionFacts has a video or two around here somewhere that addresses that. You can safely have 3 to 5 servings of traditional soy products a day. Traditional soy products include: soy milk, tofu, tempeh, miso and edamame. Check out:
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-much-soy-is-too-much/
      .
      I know NutritionFacts has a video that goes over a case study about a many who grew some breasts drinking soy milk. But after a long time of searching, I couldn’t find it. Maybe you can. But I remember the bottom line: That guy was drinking a *giant* amount of soy milk. Something like *gallons* a day. But if you stick to the 3-5 servings, you can expect the health benefits without problems.
      .
      On the other hand, the real estrogens in meat, dairy and eggs *are* a real concern:
      http://nutritionfacts.org/video/estrogen-in-meat-dairy-and-eggs/
      .
      Concern about oxilates in whole plant foods is not founded:
      http://nutritionfacts.org/?s=oxalates
      .
      Finally, the widely repeated idea that only fermented soy products should be eaten is also not based on evidence. When Dr. Greger mentions soy products as healthy foods to eat, he includes non fermented soy such as tofu. Since Dr. Greger has reviewed the literature on soy, he would have excluded those products if there was anything of concern.

  • san

    So everyone that took the vitamin c supplement died in 2 years. Interesting.

    • guest

      Yes, it seemed to prevent remission from cancer, which happens occasionally, from taking place. This is not surprising; I recall a study that found that just 500 mg of vitamin C taken orally will prevent the body from producing normal amounts of glutathione in reaction to exercise and the free radicals that it produces. Since glutathione helps the body fight cancer, vitamin C could prevent remission by this mechanism. No wonder the body in it’s wisdom so tightly regulates vitamin C absorption. In many animals vitamin C is the main antioxidant in blood but in humans it’s uric acid- at moderate levels below that which cause gout. So the animal studies that show the need for vitamin C in the range of several grams are irrelevant to humans. We apparently need a small amount of Vitamin C to be healthy but just a bit more can have devastating consequences.

  • ALLEN COHEN

    AS LONG AS PHARMACEUTICAL FIRMS AND PHYSICIANS MAKE LITTLE $ PRESCRIBING VITAMIN C, IT WILL NEVER BE PART OF THE MAIN STREAM USE FOR MEDICATIONS TREATING ADVANCED CANCER.

  • James Peters
  • We need the whole food, not pills. Does not isolated vit C leach calcium from the body?

    • Tom Goff

      That’s tricky one. My understanding is that vitamin C aids calcium absorption but in large amounts can indeed leach calcium from the body. However, if you have been diagnosed with terminal cancer, I would think that this issue would not be an immediate concern.

  • mc007m

    Can I just point out how embarrassing it should have been for the scientists who said they were repeating the original study and then they did not use the same administration route???? Hello?

  • More than a label

    Without full spectrum bioflavonoids it is like taking calcium without vitamin D and K. Ascorbic acid is not natural but normally from coal tar and I would hardly call it vitamin C. Giving patients high doses of Natural Vitamin C with the full spectrum of Bioflavonoids in the natural ratios is the only study I would take seriously.

  • kate

    How could one promote a healthy lifestyle and still make a lot of money in the healthcare field? What are the recommended careers? I’m not sure how I could sleep at night as a pharmacist or surgeon. Yes, they make a lot of money, but wouldn’t it be a conflict of interest of them to promote a plant-based diet, given their field of work? So what careers are there in the healthcare industry there wouldn’t be a conflict of interest? Curious college student, here.

  • W. Thomson

    Please put a working link in for The Role of Vitamin C in the Treatment of Terminal Cancer!!!

  • BB

    I don’t believe the mayo clinic. The pharmaceutical industry would make sure the c they were receiving was not real C. Did anyone test independently for potency anyway? They are making millions on cancer. It’s a lucrative industry.

  • SignorinaBohemia

    I love all of my Vegan MD’s like you Dr. Greger. I know how much the Vegan community DESPISES the vitamin supplement industry. What I would LOVE to see one day is to have the Heavy Weight Rock Star Orthomolecular Medicine spokesperson Andrew Saul Phd. go at it head to head. That would be Awesome! Both of them going at it defending each their own sciences, Wow! Heck they even come out in the same movie due out soon ‘Eating you Alive’. I wonder if this study that Dr. G is quoting uses very high dosages of vitamin C. The medical industry is notorious for using very low dosage vitamin therapy to discredit Orthomolecular Medicine. Again I would LOVE for Dr. G and Andrew Saul have this awesome conversation!

  • Ola

    Is it possible that vitamin c cause problem with joints?
    I take supplement vitamin c 6-15g per day and now my joints are paining, popping and cracking. I have 33 years old and i eat plants only.
    Please answer.
    Thank you.