Best Food for Late Pregnancy

Best Food for Late Pregnancy
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Dates are put to the test in a randomized, controlled trial for cervical ripening.

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In the 19th chapter of the Koran, Mary is giving birth to Jesus. I didn’t even know Jesus was in the Koran. The things they don’t teach you in Hebrew school. It says, “And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree.”  She cries out, and she is answered by Gabriel, Archangel and, evidently, obstetrician—who knew? Shake the tree, he says, and “it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates,” and you’ll be all better—no epidural necessary.

Do dates really help with labor and delivery? It would take a little over 2,000 years, but researchers finally decided to put it to the test. They had some “anecdotal evidence” that dates might be helping, but they wanted to know for sure “whether the addition of date fruit for the last few weeks of pregnancy would reduce the need for labor induction or augmentation”—that’s where you give drugs to induce uterine contractions, to initiate or accelerate labor. It’s “one of the most commonly-performed obstetrical procedures” in the U.S., dramatically increasing over the last few decades—from less than 10% of deliveries to now nearly a quarter. There are certainly legitimate medical indications, but are often done just for “convenience,” and not necessarily the convenience of the patient, but the provider may also have perverse “financial incentives” and other reasons to want to speed things along. Dates might not help with those factors, but might they help foster a normal spontaneous delivery? Let’s find out.

A prospective study: women eating six dates a day—that’s totally doable—during their last month of pregnancy versus no dates at all, and…”the women who consumed date fruit had significantly [better] cervical dilation,…significantly higher proportion of intact membranes.” That’s a good thing.  And: “Spontaneous labor occurred in 96% of those who consumed dates, compared with 79% women in the non-date” group, with significantly less drugs used, and the “labour was shorter,” as in about seven hours shorter overall. “It is [therefore] concluded that the consumption of date fruit in the last 4 weeks [of pregnancy] significantly reduced the need for induction and augmentation of labour…The results warrant a randomised controlled trial.”

Wait, what? The women weren’t randomized? They even talk about how it was hard to find women who would agree to not eat dates because it’s part of their cultural beliefs. So, you can totally imagine how there could be all sorts of differences between the women who ate dates, and those who agreed to go without, that could account for the findings. Maybe the date-eaters were more religious, or higher socioeconomic status, or who knows. Yeah, you can argue, what’s the downside? Might as well give dates a try. But that’s not good enough for me. I want to know if they actually work. But there had never been a randomized, controlled trial…until three years later.

“The effect of late-pregnancy consumption of date fruit on [so-called] cervical ripening” in first-time mothers. In the last few weeks of pregnancy hormonal changes cause the cervix, the opening to the uterus, to start to ripen, to soften, so that when the contractions start, it can more easily dilate open.

“At this stage, the cervix loses its integrated structure, and therefore, it becomes soft and dilated as soon as strong contractions begin.” Through a ripe cervix you can push a baby out with like 20 pounds of pressure per square inch, but if the cervix isn’t there yet, it can require more like 200 pounds of pressure. So, it goes without saying that “[c]ervical ripening before the onset of labor is …important” if you want a normal vaginal delivery. “The search for a safe, inexpensive, and easy method of [facilitating] cervical ripening is therefore of great significance.” So, let’s randomize a few hundred women starting at like the 37th week to eat about six dates a day—or not—until their first contraction.

Cervical ripening is rated with a Bishop score. Normally, a score of five or less “indicates an unfavorable cervix,” whereas eight or more and you’re good to go, and…the average Bishop score in the women randomized to the date group was significantly higher, closer to eight, whereas the date-free group was down at around five, and the cervix was more dilated in the date group. And hey, dates are healthy anyway, so maybe dates should be “recommended for pregnant women to help with cervical ripening, particularly in the last weeks” of their pregnancy.

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

In the 19th chapter of the Koran, Mary is giving birth to Jesus. I didn’t even know Jesus was in the Koran. The things they don’t teach you in Hebrew school. It says, “And the pains of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree.”  She cries out, and she is answered by Gabriel, Archangel and, evidently, obstetrician—who knew? Shake the tree, he says, and “it will drop upon you ripe, fresh dates,” and you’ll be all better—no epidural necessary.

Do dates really help with labor and delivery? It would take a little over 2,000 years, but researchers finally decided to put it to the test. They had some “anecdotal evidence” that dates might be helping, but they wanted to know for sure “whether the addition of date fruit for the last few weeks of pregnancy would reduce the need for labor induction or augmentation”—that’s where you give drugs to induce uterine contractions, to initiate or accelerate labor. It’s “one of the most commonly-performed obstetrical procedures” in the U.S., dramatically increasing over the last few decades—from less than 10% of deliveries to now nearly a quarter. There are certainly legitimate medical indications, but are often done just for “convenience,” and not necessarily the convenience of the patient, but the provider may also have perverse “financial incentives” and other reasons to want to speed things along. Dates might not help with those factors, but might they help foster a normal spontaneous delivery? Let’s find out.

A prospective study: women eating six dates a day—that’s totally doable—during their last month of pregnancy versus no dates at all, and…”the women who consumed date fruit had significantly [better] cervical dilation,…significantly higher proportion of intact membranes.” That’s a good thing.  And: “Spontaneous labor occurred in 96% of those who consumed dates, compared with 79% women in the non-date” group, with significantly less drugs used, and the “labour was shorter,” as in about seven hours shorter overall. “It is [therefore] concluded that the consumption of date fruit in the last 4 weeks [of pregnancy] significantly reduced the need for induction and augmentation of labour…The results warrant a randomised controlled trial.”

Wait, what? The women weren’t randomized? They even talk about how it was hard to find women who would agree to not eat dates because it’s part of their cultural beliefs. So, you can totally imagine how there could be all sorts of differences between the women who ate dates, and those who agreed to go without, that could account for the findings. Maybe the date-eaters were more religious, or higher socioeconomic status, or who knows. Yeah, you can argue, what’s the downside? Might as well give dates a try. But that’s not good enough for me. I want to know if they actually work. But there had never been a randomized, controlled trial…until three years later.

“The effect of late-pregnancy consumption of date fruit on [so-called] cervical ripening” in first-time mothers. In the last few weeks of pregnancy hormonal changes cause the cervix, the opening to the uterus, to start to ripen, to soften, so that when the contractions start, it can more easily dilate open.

“At this stage, the cervix loses its integrated structure, and therefore, it becomes soft and dilated as soon as strong contractions begin.” Through a ripe cervix you can push a baby out with like 20 pounds of pressure per square inch, but if the cervix isn’t there yet, it can require more like 200 pounds of pressure. So, it goes without saying that “[c]ervical ripening before the onset of labor is …important” if you want a normal vaginal delivery. “The search for a safe, inexpensive, and easy method of [facilitating] cervical ripening is therefore of great significance.” So, let’s randomize a few hundred women starting at like the 37th week to eat about six dates a day—or not—until their first contraction.

Cervical ripening is rated with a Bishop score. Normally, a score of five or less “indicates an unfavorable cervix,” whereas eight or more and you’re good to go, and…the average Bishop score in the women randomized to the date group was significantly higher, closer to eight, whereas the date-free group was down at around five, and the cervix was more dilated in the date group. And hey, dates are healthy anyway, so maybe dates should be “recommended for pregnant women to help with cervical ripening, particularly in the last weeks” of their pregnancy.

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Doctor's Note

What about the effects of dates on spontaneous delivery, premature delivery, labor time, and postpartum bleeding? All covered in my next video: Best Food for Labor and Delivery.

I have lots more pregnancy videos here.

What do you do with dates? Eat them, silly! But I also use them in recipes in my How Not to Die Cookbook (all my proceeds to charity) in the form of Date Syrup and a Balsamic Date Glaze.

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  1. Yes, “Mary” gets more press in the Quran than in the New Testament. The composer of the Quran seems to think that Christians believe that Mary is God’s wife and a member of the Trinity.
    It would be interesting to see if these research results could be duplicated with women and practitioners who did not believe in the Quran. Were the evaluators blinded? I wonder if the subjects could be blinded with a blended drink? Fascinating.

      1. That’s true, but the religious, cultural and human sidelights are still very interesting. These videos would be rather “barren” and “sterile” without them.

      2. This is a health discussion board, not a completely unrelated religious discussion board.

        First, nobody’s having a religious discussion.
        Second, if someone brings in the cultural basis of the reason for the research (it’s in a religious book), who are you to say that they are forbidden to do that?
        Third, if someone wants to comment further on the cultural origins of the theory, and it happens also to coincide with religious beliefs, who are YOU to shut down freedom of speech by forbidding ‘religious discussion’?
        If you’re one of those people who is terrified of religious belief because it threatens your world view, click away. You don’t have the right to shut down discussion.

        So if anyone out there knows some other religious (or otherwise cultural) belief about the medical effects of things like fasting or eating certain foods, feel free to bring it up. So far, the Internet is not officially controlled and censored by the islamophobists or others who are afraid that – oh dear! – God might actually exist!

        1. I think the last time Reality bites posted, he/she complained that the discussions were getting too off-topic.

          “Off topic” seems to greatly upset him/her.

          1. In this case though, the off-topic was not exactly off-topic because there was a question of whether belief system could have caused a “placebo effect” and that is a valid question.

            1. Also, the study itself came because of testing something which is used because of religious beliefs and health is not separated from belief systems and neither is nutrition. You can’t put religion in a box and ignore it as part of the equation.

              1. I can think of things like eating Kosher, for instance, which is a religious practice, but also a way of eating.

                Vegan is a belief system and a way of eating. There might be benefits if people don’t do it as a belief system and are more flexible about it or there might be benefits if they are rigid and there might be a placebo effect because of the strength of emotion behind the beliefs. Feeling superior is what most diets do nowadays. That might have health strengthening benefits.

                1. I can use the comment under the last video as an example of belief systems.

                  Someone was doing vegan Macrobiotics (I think) but ended up with edema and congestive heart failure and was told to go home to die.

                  They clearly didn’t have a vegan belief system because they decided “if eating healthy all of these years didn’t prevent this, I might as well go back to eating the foods I like” and they started eating meat and cheese and eggs and got healed and now they have a different belief system about what is healthy or not.

                  If they had a rigid vegan belief system EITHER they could have died and not have experienced the health bump from meat OR they could have started researching and seen Dr Gregers video on vegans dying from heart disease.

                  If they hold onto this belief system rather than reevaluate why meat and cheese and eggs may have worked, they can now cause more disease than if they fixed the vegan diet.

                  1. In the Torah and Bible gluttony is considered a sin and both believe in fasting.

                    Belief systems are part of this process for all of us.

                    Science is filled with belief systems.

                    Statistics and studies and influence shape belief systems left and right.

                    1. I was meditating on belief systems and:

                      Soy
                      Gluten
                      Potatoes
                      Bread
                      Fat
                      Bone Broth
                      Methyl B-12

                      Would be some of the fashionable things to have beliefs about right now.

                      That is from the health perspective.

                      From the Food Network perspective, Portabella mushrooms are too early 1990’s to use in the dishes.

                    2. The mushrooms are like bell bottoms and wide ties and collars to them.

                      Eventually a generation will come up which doesn’t have a peer pressure against Portabella mushrooms and they may become popular again.

                      Dr Gregers ties might make a cool t-shirt design if another Summer intern shows up.

  2. What property in the dates causes this, and is it specific to only certain kinds of dates?
    How might this effect the general (not – pregnant) population, in possibly unknown ways?

    1. I had that thought as well… and dates are known to be about the most boron rich food there is. I wouldn’t be surprised if boron was actually the real catalyst here for easier birth. Boron is an amazing mineral… google it. Most of us do not get enough.

      1. *** General advice ***
        Whenever someone tells you to “google it” with regard to a health/science claim, just nod, smile and move on.

        1. Ishay, that’s utter nonsense and an arrogant statement. Most of the medical literature and the science is available upon a Google search. You should try it sometime. Doctor’s use it all the time too :-).

          1. Ishay’s point is quite valid. People shouldn’t expect others to simply take their word for it. They should provide evidence for their claims if they want us to believe them

            In my experence, at least half the people who make this statement, or more, are referring to their own Google searches that turn up the websites and YouTbe videos of snake oil salesmen, opinionated cranks, people selling stuff and the like. It’s quite unreasonable to expect the rest of us to waste our time wading trough this type of dross – much less to believe it.

            You don’t find the World Health Organization, the US Dietary Guidelines or credible health and medical authorities around the world telling us ti @just Google it’ to justify their statements. They cite teir sources for the statements they make.

            Ishay’s comment is neither ‘nnsense’ nor ‘arrogant’. It’s common sense and courteous. If anything, your comments apply more to people who tell us to just Google it And yes, I’ve occasionally written ‘just Google it’ too.

      2. Andrea, According to PubMed, you are right about people not consuming enough Boron:

        An analysis of both human and animal data suggests that an acceptable safe range of population mean intakes of B for adults could well be 1-13 mg/d. Recent findings indicate that a significant number of people do not consistently consume more than 1 mg B/d; this suggests that B could be a practical nutritional or clinical concern.

        However, the answer would be that people aren’t eating enough of the right foods:

        Intakes of Boron commonly found with diets abundant in fruits, vegetables, legumes, pulses, and nuts

        Your hypothesis can be strengthened if those other things also help with labor.

        Ishay, I Googled that information because I Google everything and PubMed comes up and studies in other publications come up and doctors discussions come up. My family would say that exact sentence about anybody who uses PubMed or this site.

  3. Yes, a whole food plant-based diet has been proven to reverse coronary heart disease, but what about the ability for humans to carry out healthy reproduction and development like giving birth more easily and reducing risk of birth defects or proper jaw bone formation in children so that wisdom teeth don’t need to be extracted?

    I’m really glad Dr. Greger is touching upon these issues. If I ever have kids, I want to do whatever it takes for the mother to avoid a C-Section and make her labor the least painful possible and I want my children to be strong and developed faces so that they can nose breathe easily, chew their food right, and never have to visit an orthodontist.

  4. Does it make a difference if the dates are eaten whole or mixed in a smoothie? My wife is due in early December and she does not care for the date in raw form. I do sometimes put them in her smoothies and was curious if that would have the same benefit.

    1. Dan, I didn’t care much for dates either — till I recently discovered Medjool dates! Very, very sweet, tasty, and with a soft texture! I eat them like candy, which means I limit them to one a day. The video mentioned eating 6 a day in the last 3 weeks of pregnancy — Wow!! I would be in date heaven with that consumption! Best wishes!

      1. Dr J, I love just about any kind of date, but Medjools are my favorite. And my favorite way of eating any date is stuffed with walnuts. I could definitely eat 6 of those! I also like them with fennel seeds.

        With winter on the way, I’ll be eating them again soon. I’ll be eating more dried & frozen fruit as the fresh & local supply dwindles.

        1. Dr. J.

          I think Medjool dates are the ones I like.

          I started with one date per day from Whole Foods in the aisle with the bins. It was a genuine “sweet tooth” preventer. One per day was enough to keep me off of the ice cream and chocolate.

          Then, I bought some dates from the produce section of Whole Foods and did not like them at all and never went back to eating dates again.

          Though I suspect part of that was seeing Ryan Healthy Happy Vegan showing his extracted tooth and reading that dates cause people tooth problems.

    2. I can’t find dates where I currently live (I’m married now anyway!) ….. but previously I used to make my own “jam” (I think you call it ‘jelly’ in the US for some reason?) by putting a bunch of dates in a blender. Then just put the resulting blended dates in an old jar and keep it in the fridge as a 100% fruit jam. It keeps well for at least a couple of weeks.

          1. So do I, Nancy. You might say he (allegedly) died with his boots on.

            From a bio: “While he was traveling to entertain U.S. troops in France during World War II, Miller’s aircraft disappeared in bad weather over the English Channel.”

            If he DID die in a plane crash, those from the Other Side assure us that our spirits/souls zoom out of the body before it crashes; no pain is felt whatsoever. Maybe not such a bad way to go.

            (But I’m still not fond of taking airplane flights.)

          1. Unm, yeah….I figured you’d pounce on that line. Nowadays the song might be considered politically incorrect. Or would it? Fat is now “normal.” Sheesh, everywhere y’look! :-(

            Anyway, I’ve always been on the the skinny side, so hub could never accuse me of being “big and fat.” :-)

    3. Hi, Dan. I would not think it would matter, but we don’t know, “…until we put it to the test!” I assume, until it is proven otherwise, that putting dates in a smoothie would not change them in any significant way that would alter their beneficial constituents. It definitely seems to me that consuming them in a smoothie is better than not consuming them at all. She is more likely to eat them if they are made palatable for her. I hope that helps!

    4. Has she ever tried fresh good quality dates? We recently got a package of dates from a farmer’s cooperative in Palestine and it is like a completely different food compared to what is found in U.S. grocery stores. From my first bite I knew I could never purchase a grocery store version again. Dr. Greger says “The Date People” company that he buys his dates from in California does their harvest in October. They offer many different varieties. Don’t know if they’re as good but maybe worth a try. Go ahead and splurge on a box for her. If she doesn’t like those ones either you could just blend them for her, or perhaps make up some date-nut bars that are more minced than pureed for less of a blood sugar hit.

  5. That’s a realy funny report… dates for a cervical ripening, Yeah man! But I’m wondering, what on hell do the billions of woman the can’t cry for dates? I mean, million for millions of woman have given birth to children without any idea there is a fruit called date. In my opinion every cultur, before this western world, have had there own herbs to make it more easy for woman to give birth. It can be, that datrs are a good fruit for woman but it is not the only one. The old Germanen knows a lot of herbs for the same effects. And it is here also the same game: Don’t eat shit if you are pregnant, dont’t eat shit even before you get pregnant and also should do your man. There is no compelling necessity of any of this crazy books…

    1. Yes, millennia worth of women’s knowledge about pregnancy and birth has been lost. Started during the fall of feudalism, when serfs were moved off their subsistence plots (which typically contained an herbal/medicine garden plot that the woman oversaw) into the cities. Accelerated as men took over midwifery from women and ‘gynecology’ was born. If one really wants to see how truly demented the medical profession can be, look no further than what men have imagined up for pregnant women. Intentionally breaking pelvis bones, restraints, hardcore hallucinatory drugs, unnecessary and unanesthetized surgeries, and all manner of physical abuse and torture. Perhaps women will someday regain a sense of autonomy and build up the old knowledge base again. But all the helpful herbs in the world as you say are not worth much when basal health is so poor. An even greater revolution of autonomy in terms of general health will likely have to come first.

  6. Don’t forget Fish. My wife’s OBGYN prescribed a pre-natal multi that included fish oil.

    1. Pregnant? Say Yes to Seafood — http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/16/AR2007021602259.html

    ***At age 3, children whose mothers ate less seafood during pregnancy were more likely to have social and communication problems with their peers, Hibbeln says. By ages 7 and 8, they tended to have more behavioral problems and trouble with fine motor skills and were more likely to have lower academic scores, Hibbeln says. “Advice to limit seafood consumption could actually be detrimental,” concludes the study’s team, which includes scientists from the University of Bristol. What surprised scientists most is that women who ate 12 ounces or less of seafood per week — the amount that pregnant and nursing mothers are advised to stick to by the Food and Drug Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency — “were almost 50 percent more likely to have children with low verbal IQ scores compared with women who exceeded the advisory,” says Joseph R. Hibbeln, a researcher at the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and co-author of the report

    2. Eating oily fish during pregnancy may prevent children developing obesity and boost their gut health: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5807663/Pregnant-mothers-eat-oily-fish-help-prevent-child-gaining-weight.html

    3. Fish Oil–Derived Fatty Acids in Pregnancy and Wheeze and Asthma in Offspring — NEJM – http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1503734
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/12/28/507151031/danish-study-links-fish-oil-during-pregnancy-with-lower-asthma-risk-in-kids

    4. Weekly fish consumption linked to better sleep, higher IQ, study finds – https://lofi.medicalxpress.com/news/2017-12-weekly-fish-consumption-linked-higher.html

    5. Pregnant women who don’t eat enough fish at risk of premature birth – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6023063/Women-dont-eat-fish-pregnancy-greater-risk-premature-birth.html
    **Co-author associate research scientist Andrew Thorne-Lyman now at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health in Baltimore said: ‘Early preterm birth has immense health, economic, and emotional costs. ‘Our findings are consistent with the results of most randomized trials of long chain omega-3 fatty acid supplements in pregnancy .
    6. Taking fish oil during pregnancy boosts kids’ growth in their first six years, study finds – https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-6132221/Taking-fish-oil-pregnancy-boosts-kids-growth-six-years-study-finds.html

    ** Study co-author Dr Hans Bisgaard of Copenhagen University said: ‘Diet during pregnancy and infancy is an important determinant for children’s development and health. ‘In particular, intake of fish containing n-3 long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids (LCPUFA) is important for adequate development.’

    Dr Bisgaard said: ‘The body composition at age six in children given fish oil supplementation was characterised by a proportional increase in lean, bone, and fat mass suggesting a general growth stimulating effect.
    He concluded: ‘Fish oil supplementation from the 24th week of pregnancy led to a higher BMI in the offspring from 0 to six years of age but not an increased risk of obesity at age six. ‘The body composition at age six years in children given fish oil supplementation was characterised by a proportional increase in lean, bone, and fat mass suggesting a general growth stimulating effect of n-3 long chain polyunsaturated fatty acid.’

    1. Thanks Greg. We can always rely on you to present an alternative point of view. Having a resident Devil’s Advocate is very helpful, I find.

      I think it is well accepted that children need more fat and protein than adults for healthy growth.

      Fish are obviously one way of delivering these. Fish can be (relatively) healthy when it displaces more unhealthy foods from the diet. In the US, those foods delievreing large amounts to children (and their mothers) of fat and protein are often burgers, fried potatoes and pizza etc. It’s little wonder that that fish eating mothers and fish eating children enjoy better health outcomes. All the studies you quote are sensitive to the effects of replaced nutrients. As well as unhealthy sources of fat and protein, Western children and their mothers often consume high amounts of refined carbs in the fom of white breads and pastries, confectionery, fruit juices, sugary drinks and biscuits (cookies?).
      https://www.cnpp.usda.gov/birthto24months

      Any diet that displaces calories from such sources and replaces them with calories from a less unhealthy source like fish is likely to show significant benefits. perhaps we should also remember that families that consciously choose to eat fish are also more likely to be health-conscious generally, which may affect health outcomes generally. Also omega 3 s are important for brain health and oily fish can be a good source of these.

      However, demonstrating that fish eating mothers and children have better health outcomes than mothers and children eating standard Western diets is not proof that fish eating itself is positively healthy … merely that it is better than most of the unplanned diets commonly eaten in the Western world. Well-planned completely vegetarian diets can produce health outcomes that are as good as or better than those delivered by fish-containing diets would be my belief but such diets have never been comared head to head.

      If people want a good starting guide to optimising health through diet, Jack Norris’ one-pager and its links may be a good place to begin.
      https://veganhealth.org/pregnancy-infants-and-children/

      1. Tom,

        You are right about how easy it is to get good results when replacing bad foods with better foods. So many industry studies do that trick.

        The vegan getting enough Omega 3’s versus fish eaters would be an interesting study. Fish becoming more and more contaminated will continue to change the equation. Unless someone invents a way to clean up the ocean or to suck the toxins out of the fish after they are dead, it will need to be a subject which gets reviewed regularly. There still might be some fish in the oceans which are toxin-free enough to benefit, but 10 years from now, maybe not. I say it because studies done 10 years ago might no longer be valid.

        I wonder if eating the dates and the fish would war against each other when it comes to delivery. Maybe stop eating fish when you start thinking I really want to get this baby out of me now. High fish oil babies in one study had a gestational period 9.3 days longer than those in the lowest quartile.

          1. Thanks Deb but to my knowledge there’s no such thing as a ‘British cookie”.

            It may be different now but I’d never heard of a cookie during the 40 years I lived in the UK well. other than being vaguely aware from tv and films that it was some quaint American term for biscuit. And ‘brownies’were just junior girl guides – although I noticed that in a scene n Notting Hill they were supposedly eating brownies. That reeked of cannbalism to me but perhaps they put that scene in for the US market.

    2. No offense, but when most all of your references begin with the words …daily mail…..and it is time to say..Houston we have a problem.
      Looking over one other study noted which seems original and on point published I read this…”The risk of persistent wheeze or asthma in the treatment group was 16.9%, versus 23.7% in the control group”

      Which in the conclusion was obviously 7% and stated as such. But they go on to way overstate it, saying it really was 30% as the actual percentage decline equates to a 30% decline between the 16 and 23 percent numbers.
      Well no all this shows is a 7% difference not a 30% difference. It is only 30 if your graph range begins at 16 with 30 as max, then we find the 30. A statistical trick. So basically for one reason or another they are way overstating effect. Probably by my guess to show a significant finding as opposed to a so so or interesting find. Error rate in these type studies are often in the 4% range.
      So at best a very moderate protective effect.

      I started with one article in the wash post which seems a opinion piece and then honestly I left it there. Why bother with the rest.
      There are dangers with the possible contamination of fish oil supplements. The industry has self regulated and following a early 2000 decade scandel has probably righted the ship. But with a news article just this past weekend, based on study of supplements finding 800 over the counter supplements with contaminants in them…would you chance a pregnant woman on fish oil?

      AS to fish, maybe you find non contamined ones and maybe you do not. If a family goes this route I would strongly suggest reading the EPA FDA cautions and recommendations and going from there,to add to additional research to make a informed decision.
      At least the FDA will tell you what is best and probably what is worst.
      By my guess a healthy pregnant woman can convert heathy composite oil content from flax and other source of ALA. If there is a known problem I would rather then fish oil try some of the algae supplements. If a risk is found in supplements overall probably less finate risk in algae than in fish is a known.

      1. I have to say when I saw the 7% being misrepresented as 30% I had to say to myself..there is something fishy going on here…;)

        1. Ron,

          LOL at something fishy!

          I would say, “Good eye” but I suck at understanding statistics and just listen to that part of the argument.

          Someday, maybe I will take a statistics for dummies course. For now, I will just count the zeros in the P values.

          1. It is a common ploy in statistical analysis reproduced for the public in media. Mostly I see it from my side, the left side, in relation to taxes and tax rates, leaving one with impressions which are true, but only slightly true. But the right politically does this as well. So I have become used to looking at stats with a stern eye.
            7% becomes 30% with a little creative effort.
            So how biased were the researchers to produce a effect then…that shows clearly bias to my read. So very. You cannot take the rest of the study seriously. A good equal even study…it strikes out at you..you read it you know even sometimes just from the abstract…..this is good stuff looking objectively. Bias for or against is sometimes clear.

            Saw a recent stat on a political page…GDP increased 4% in June right here from June last year…..meaning it, by that read, jumped 4% for the whole year….looking closely…it was 4% for the month of June only. Other months had this or that leaving us with 2.7 for the year.

            And then adding into a 2.9% inflation rate and it becomes a whole different ballgame. It is often in the stats.

            I don’t think this poster was intending to show that in this study listed, to deceive. But the authors certainly did.

            1. Sorry…. geeze louise…not GDP but real wage increases per year and month…
              The discussion was on the current state of the economy.

    1. David, as per the earlier conjecture that the element in dates that is helpful is Boron….
      Boron has been shown to be beneficial for healthy bone and joints. Areas of the world where Boron is low in the environment have high rates of arthritis, and the opposite is also true.
      I always advise those with arthritis or osteoporosis to take 6 mg. of Boron per day, (plus vitamin D and K2) if it isn’t in their soil. Most of the studies were done with the Borogluconate form. It’s pretty inexpensive.
      Also important to get adequate calcium and magnesium in the diet.
      Exercise of course is important for healthy bones and joints. A good Physical Therapist can help you with proper form.
      See link to just one study below.

      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7889887

      1. Thanks Marilyn. I do exercise, with both high intensity, and endurance exercise as well as some core work and even a few weighted lunges.

        . I was not aware of boron to helps this condition or dates for that matter. That’s cool.

        I’ve read and thought it was true that calcium causes inflammation- and from my personal experience it seems to also.

        I had thought I was getting better when I tweaked it last week and since then it just been somewhat painful.

        Having better posture would help too I suppose. Thanks again.

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        1. To reinforce Mk’s position on calcium, Dr Greger has referenced it a bit in one of his videos,….it appeared it is within the context of supplementation and that means gross overt amounts of it we would not find naturally in diet, added in one swell swoop, usually independent from other food intake. .

          I recall at least 2 studies before the advent of soy milk and such supplemented with calcium now a days, that had vegans at higher risk for hip or other fracture. This countered the former opinion the acid producing nature of a non vegan diet, would allow vegans to have more bone mass and rebuild of bone. Which seemed to stem from some earlier calcium study on milk drinkers having more osteoperoisis. Which is true, but it may be due to other factor in milk which confound calcium absorbtion not acid formation in the diet due to digestion.

          Without the soy milk cashew or flax or any other…. I would pay strict attention to my calcium intake. One has to eat a fair amount of singular things being vegan to accomplish the RDA.Some do, it is quite possible with attention to do so but many may not.

          1. Could it be possible, it’s not the lack of calcium, but maybe they are low on zinc or magnesium. Could it be possible that when the calcium in the blood is too high our bodies try to get rid of calcium? It appears that perhaps our current situation is that regular calcium, similar to regular cholesterol, is overstated and that most Western peoples are consuming far too much?

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            1. It could be possible that the moon is indeed made of cheese and would be good to eat.
              But no..likely it is the demonization of calcium is overwrought. The studies of calcium are pretty thorough. One may find tangential views in all subject matter of nutritional study, but nothing suggest other than in the context of supplements taken of calcium, (in excess and in a sudden presentation) we suffer widespread calcium overload. Some medical conditions are typical of calcium overload and excretion and those conditions are present, but far from widespread.

              If all was fine and dandy on calcium levels with many vegans, to include those from 7th day Adventist derivative study, we would never show increased fracture rates and low bone remineralization after fracture. But we do.

                1. If I was worried about the proper assimilation of calcium and was vegan I would supplement with vitamin K2 in vegan form. I honestly do worry a slight bit, so take a very low dose of that on occasion and not religiously. High dose is expensive and low dose cheap. I do take Vitamin D3 as well, more religiously depending upon anticipated sun exposure each day.

                  Bone health is nothing to screw around with or extend a thought agenda upon, based on marginal study..it literally destroys quality of life as one ages if found lacking. Reminisent of the early vitamin B-12 deficiency stories coming out of the UK, which is where veganism for our culture started. . This is a bit of a learning in progress thing veganism in our culture, so it bears close study and careful consideration and always erring on the side of caution of prevention first.

                  I cannot count how many vegans I have heard of or on occasion known, who drop the thing as per various malady. In the link I posted read some of the posts in the comments… a couple there with osteoperosis. I can’t stop it(in the main) as I am ethical/environmental vegan so I must find a way and do. I had to take some drug to live and it had animal products…well yes I would.

                  1. I took vit B12 way way back in the day before I had ever heard of any real pronouncements on that from the nutritional community. Perhaps they were out there, but pre internet, 1990 veggie 86…..it was little known of.
                    So I worry a bit to much perhaps, but it occasionally saves me. I am firmly fervently against large calcium supplementation, it appears very harmful. But amounts found in like the fake milks seem recommended for a average vegan, who tries to eat right, but occasionally does not.

                    Demonization of calcium… it appears not concensus opinion by study. Protein by study is demonized in our community as well by many.But the protein studies are invariably confusing animal or milk protein with plant protein, two different animals. :Like confusing grossly large amounts of supplements in calcium pills with drinking a glass of fortified soy milk…two different things in study producing different results.
                    Or saying milk means calcium intake and then deficit when consumed…when it really is the milk not the calcium which is the deficit producer.

                    1. Tom and Ron in N.M. You give me a lot to think about and even more to read. So thanks.

                      So far, I haven’t seen anything that indicates the appropriate or optimal blood serum levels of calcium. Or is it only calculated from Bone mineral Density test.

                      I will say I just flat-out I can’t take a calcium supplement. And as Ron and Dr. G pointed out it’s probably not good for us anyway. Every time I take a calcium supplement all the joints on my right side from shoulder, wrist, knee, and ankle will hurt like I have arthritis. Dairy, I can have a tiny amount, but we’ve, more or less as a family, stopped eating dairy.

                      After going through my wreck, and another fall, I think my bones are still very strong, but my serum calcium levels are normal-low.

                      So hopefully, I find in the reading, what an optimal level is and hope I’m getting enough though diet.

                    2. I would consider if you already have not…the consumption of some of the milks. they are all lightly fortified so it may not make a problem. And the variance is outstanding. I am certain they can be bought on line amazon and such. I use flax milk when I can find it unsweetened. But if not I use the other unsweetened. They vary as to calcium some as high as 45 RDA some 25% RDA.

                      Some object to them being processed and some of the other things in them but I see it as not so much a health problem unless one is adverse specifically to them. Most drink only a cup or so a day. I would certainly not drink a gallon or such of the stuff. And I would not drink sweetened.

                    3. We have converted to unsweetened almond milk for cooking. I don’t add sweetener or sugar to anything at this point in my life. And most things that are sweet are gross. As a kid I used to eat pure sugar out of the sugar bowl with a spoon. Barf. glad I worked on changing my tastebuds.

                      I do use a about 2 oz of OJ with pulp in my smoothies for sweetness. I’m still reading the papers you guys have sent. And appreciate the time involved Looking that stuff up.

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                    4. The type of fortification used in the fake milks for vitamin A is also the most bioavailable form. They most all, use this specific type which if vegan is a good thing for me. Most attest to vegan content in the fake milks. Some I think do not. There can be a conversion problem with retinol. The concentration is low however like 10% RDA

                      I am not selling the stuff..it just makes sense to me as I on occasion do not eat the best stuff to busy..

                2. Ron,
                  Can i ask, what non-vegan foods do you eat, and do you feel they make
                  up for any “holes” in a vegan diet? Do you still supplement with B12?
                  Thank you.

                  1. I take B-12 but have usually done that for athletic use. It improves work outs and some reaction times.
                    I have relatives who sheer sheep do send them to slaughter eventually but it is not in any manner factory farming. I developed my own veganism back in the day on my own really so researched each item individually for harm.

                    Lanolin is derived from sheeps wool. It is what is used to make some sources of vit D. PETA will show all sorts of horror with sheep shearing and that is just not usually the case. If anyone sheared like their videos all the sheep would be so stressed out about half would die after the sheering.
                    So I allow that as I also allow things like carriage riding. And I never use it but find honey is OK as well. Less harm for bees occurs as the queen with age genetically produces more drones due to deterioration. IN commercial farms the queen is replaced before that happens. More drones they are useless the other bees kill them or push them out of the hives.

                    So mine is indeed a mostly. I little find it necessary to be so strict in all things like owning a dog and this and that… it seems like facism to me. They are just pushing people away from it. And environmentally we need drastically to push people to it.
                    PETA is a little better but they still suck. I was a member once.

                    1. Relatives sheer the sheep out on the reservation. It is a communal thing all the relatives participate. And they live with the sheep a sheepherder out with them as a part of them. I am now not going out there now so see not a lot of that but my kids still do.

                      They sell them off eventually but in the main they just live with them, dogs with coyotes they protect them, and sheer them and it is not really all that harmful. I would not eat animal meat unless starving however. No need.

                    2. Range sheep out there nothing grows. this is probably the one very very rare case when calories could be provided when other wise not for human. So environmentally carbon calories….this is probably that one exception. The rest of this argument is total nonsense. Cattle for instance are all feed lot fed. So I will not eat it but probably it is a carbon net gain. Eat this as opposed to other thing. But this is so rare as to be nonexistent almost..out on the range exclusively and only sheep. And other use wool lanolin sustainable Synthetic petro product not at all…..I don’t know. Individual decision by my read this or that… Like growing a tree.

                    3. There are no holes. All can be done vegan. But some supplements are necessary they all can be vegan.
                      Lanolin is my choice for D3. Other types of D…not so bioavailable. But vegan D3 exists. Way more expensive though. D! or 2 not so great by my read.

                    4. No my belief in karma makes meat eaten, fish fowl bugs whatever…. only when absolutely necessary, to sustain life.
                      So it is a personal part of my veganism. I guess carbon considered probably eating them would be a positive. These particular sheep. I could make arrangements to eat them.

                      Environment is sort of gray on some of this as final determinant.
                      Karma personal cause and effect, it is better to act in certain ways to produce better result. I want to not come back to this foul place if at all possible ;) A habit of killing and eating such things would be quite detrimental now and in any expectant future.

                      It makes me languish and suffer probably eventually die, if I consume these things. My karma in this is close to the surface. No real health problems present I just start to waste away, first in mind, then in body.Which is why I had to become vegan years ago. I had no choice in that. Most are not like me in this.

                    5. Grey only on eating of sheep raised in this fashion…. as to environment. They are all range and only range barren desert like, and used for wool and other things. So it is calories really environmentally for free, But that is very very rare. Lanolin it is like wool, mostly sheep for wool purpose their wool is the thing not their meat. Different breeds serve different purpose.

                      It is not like dairy cows they kill them automatically at this age when milk declines and have veal calfs. None of this is factory farmed. Sheep are not amenable to factory farming. Is it pure, not really. But even grain only kills. So I don’t mind wool nor lanolin derived from wool.

      1. Thanks Deb.

        As far as cholesterol has been observed over my life, mine has always been low. It’s about as high as ever, near 165-ish. I’ve almost always exercised at a pretty high level. So that does seem contradictory, But I was a sugar-holic, and grew up with lots of hydrogenated vegetables oils, and very few vegetables. So perhaps so. And I’m pretty sure I have some vascular disease, although it’s never been measured, so it’s certainly possible.

        Deb, thanks for finding these videos. I thought I’ve seen most everything Dr. G has produced, but not that one.

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  7. Dr. Greger and the NutritionFacts.org team – once again you put out a video that is an answer to a question so badly needing an answer. I’,m in my 7th month of pregnancy. Will be putting this to good use and will be sharing with other ladies. I love you all. Thank you :-)

  8. I am going to be going to a baby shower next month.

    A package of dates and a copy of the transcript might be included with my gift.

      1. It is a powerful pic. Blood red dress. Baby bump accentuated between the hands with just a hint of umbilical cord bump visible. Very pretty hand could be a hand model. Nicely manicured. Delicate ring – with all of the typical ring symbolism – eternal commitment, cycle of life, but interestingly not on the ring finger. Hard to tell if it is meant to represent a single-mother-to-be. Either way, it causes it to be more about the mother and child, rather than family.

        1. I did think the no ring finger bit was sending a message. Something like, “Times have changed; No marriage is necessary nowadays; Suck it up, Buttercups.”

          Hey….whatever!

            1. Another gross gross example of patriarchy expressing ownership of women. This men wearing them is a new addition. Back in the day and about forever, it was a sign you were owned……part and parcel of some mans things.
              May as well be romanticizing chastity belts….. women were forced to wear them as well once….knights going off to foreign places for long durations…..whole thing makes me want to puke.

              1. This from feed your brain….. The Roman’s also eventually adopted this tradition but with their own twist. Rather than offering a ring to a woman as a symbol of love, they awarded them as a symbol of ownership. Roman men would “claim” their woman with the giving of a ring. Roman betrothal rings were later made of iron and called “Anulus Pronubus.” They symbolized strength and permanence. It is also said that the Romans were the first to engrave their rings..”

                The chastity belts are really something to look at……….. spikes and such to discourage a man from enticeing the whiles of a female, quite to the point. Him long gone to rape pilliage and plunder some foreign lands.

                1. Ron,

                  History has a long track record of women and children and other vulnerable members of societies poorly.

                  I don’t hold the weight of history against personal symbolism like a ring. It means what it means to the people.

                  Power hungry people used it for power-hungry purposes.

                  But when two people use it as a sign of commitment, there is great beauty in that.

                  Symbols of commitment are powerful to me.

                  It gets more complicated with diamonds, which I have always been somewhat against because of human rights abuses, which is still going on according to this:

                  https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/05/10/diamond-trade-still-fuels-human-suffering

                  But this is the song that they think about and it is so filled with joy and hope that I just get caught up in it.

                  https://www.brilliantearth.com/news/shosholoza-the-mining-song-that-moved-a-nation-2/

                  There is a line in “One Million Voices”

                  They said: “The man is judged according to his works”
                  So tell me Africa, what’s your worth?

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjjfBIoOTo

                  1. When I see a pregnant, unmarried woman, I worry about poverty.

                    My single parent friends are all poor. Male and female.

                    I found out that was a statistical reality worldwide.

                    “Using data on individuals from 29 countries, they calculated the “prevalence” in each country of four phenomena often tied to poverty — single motherhood, unemployment, having a young head of household, and having low education. In addition, they created statistical models to calculate the “penalties” associated with these factors in each country — that is, the degree to which being in a single-parent household, etc., made a person more likely to be poor. These models included other control variables as well, such as whether the person’s household had more than one earner. “

                    1. I don’t look at the wealthy people and think

                      “Wow, I hope more women who are already making six figures get wealthier, then somehow it will trickle down to the Single mothers who can’t afford rent or to the prostitutes who 1 out of 6 are being murdered or to the sex slaves in America or around the world.”

                    2. “Or not. You may find Dean Martin quite superior.”
                      – – – –

                      I find neither “superior.”

                      I’ll be curious if you and Deb (members of the night shift) will be discoursing about this or that again tonight. :-)

                  2. Well sure it is a free world people do what they want.

                    To use a symbol of what was once slavery, and now say it means this or that, works for some I guess. Rome ruled the world back in that day, what they said went. Which means for most of that sort, what Rome said and did was, what the world did. And after Rome proper was the holy Roman empire, whose collective duration makes America seem a afterthought with theirs.

                    Women are globally continued to be kept under thumb. Our media favors this as well as our systems.

                    All the talk of equality are of our world, the commoners….. how they can be more equal in things as meaningless as both now wearing rings…
                    You do not know less than 5% of women are CEO’s of fortune 500 companies. Why….. because they have you distracted with minor things of little import and not knowing of significant things of big import. So we fight amongst ourselves not seeing where the heart of real discrimination lies. Men are not better at running businesses perhaps it should be 47 53….I would live with that…..5%…this is a rude boy joke. The most the most one can have all kept to one gender by arbitrary bias…..

                    So rant now off……to each their own I guess. If I was a woman I would not wear a thing that once indicated slavery of women..just me I guess. Seems offensive. I’d get a pendant or some other thing that says the same, but has not this dread history associated with it.
                    But I would have also taken the time to know where the real seat of gender discrimination lies…..and it is not with us commoners.

                    Meryl Streep, that great founder, Yale educated is calling for equal pay for women so she can make 1.5 M per film as opposed to 1M per film is ranting about her salary. Not CEO’s, the goal most in business would aspire to…. as she is allowed the one and not the other. Those type heros they allow us.
                    So yes…. you would wear this and I, if woman, would not. Me thinking….. if one wants radical change, and gender equality is not the same pay as a clerk with some other clerk..but of far bigger things….a chance at the top….one has to be radical in most ways of doing things.

                    What man has done and continues to do to woman is despicable and reprehensible and for the most part they do not even know it being done.
                    Less than 5% CEO’s of fortune 500 companies woman….fact. Lost in page 12 of the front pages if they did exist. So it is reported but not so much. WE are equal now we both have rings…..

                    1. How could I be a real advocate of environmentalism without having a radical thing, a vegan diet, to go along with the radical change needed now…..I would have to be one.

                      How could a woman be a advocate for radical change in gender bias wearing a symbol of past slavery? Proudly, oh men now wear them…meaning what men are slaves now as well perhaps?
                      Oh it means so much more now…so much…..well then wear a toe ring a scarf a neck collar, something, anything…not a slaves thing.
                      How can one expect radical change with being not radical in things? It is impossible. And gender equality is one of the most radical of things.

                    2. I don’t know if this was the intention but I think this is relatively rare but present as fact….” In a traditional Jewish wedding ceremony, the wedding ring is placed on the bride’s righthand index finger[7], but other traditions place it on the middle finger or the thumb, most commonly in recent times”…from Wikipedia of course ;)

                      Which would fit in with the initial mention of religion in the video. Muslims generally historically to my knowledge do not wear wedding rings. I guess they do now.

                    3. Functionally realistically……… as you woman know who have had children. Hands and feet swell. Of course one would move a index finger ring to a middle finger…It no longer fits.

                      Particularly if one is prone to toxic eclampsia. Which we would hope not.

                    4. Ron,

                      Honestly, I am not all that money oriented, so CEO’s aren’t important to me, male or female.

                      I am not all that entertainment oriented either.

                      I am not interested in the materialistic, entertainment-oriented pursuit of wealth and CEO’s tend to represent that. If there is a humanity oriented CEO, I would become interested in the subject. Also, if those CEO’s male or female are harming the underclass, which they do, that upsets me. I was reading the reviews on the Insurance companies this weekend and person after person said that they were cold as ice. People hadn’t missed payments for 30 years, but got dropped and the companies refuse to reinstate them for missing a payment because the payment was due when they were admitted to a hospital or rehab. I don’t do business like that and I can say that I would like CEO’s replaced as a model of business entirely, but either way, everybody wanting more and more and more money isn’t going to work because more and more and more people can’t afford education and entertainment and health care and utilities or taxes / expensive government. Eventually things are going to break down, because of all of the wealth the CEO’s and entertainment and wealthy people everywhere chose to pursue to benefit themselves.

                      Mother Teresa was one of the people who did influence me and she did it without money.

                      I do care about human beings not being abused and I care about poverty and I am probably more global about both of those things.

                      I am not someone who likes pitting males against females or females against males.

                      There is a bottom of society and it is such a mix of males and females. I said it before, but males are more likely to drop out of school, to kill themselves, to be homeless, to go to prison, etc. They are never probably going to have any voice speak on their behalf to generate compassion. Single mothers would be the next seriously vulnerable group, but they aren’t in the running to become CEO’s almost ever.

                      I genuinely try not to participate in that greed focused system very much.

                    5. What I will tell you is that I have a handful of women who I know who have made it to the million mark and not one of them helps the poor people.

                      They don’t believe in it.

                      They genuinely have homeless relatives and don’t give them a nickel. It is the poor who tends to help the poor.

                    6. I don’t perceive the “almost CEO’s” to be the genuinely needy section of society.

                      I just don’t.

                      I mean it that the poor are working 3 jobs and aren’t showing up on unemployment, but they can’t afford a car or an apartment or food or clothing or to go to the movies or to go to a doctor or to buy whatever those CEO’s are selling.

                      I saw a commercial for the elections in my State today and it was people talking about their neighbors leaving the State and that is what all of my friends are talking about and those friends don’t even know each other and are from different counties and it is the same in all of the counties. Taxes and insurance and utilities are too expensive. Wealthy people and poor people are wandering around like refugees. The wealthy ones are going to be okay. The poor ones, I don’t think will be okay.

                      They can’t afford welfare motels. They only get 30 to 90 days in a shelter and then they are on the street and these are working people. There are enough wealthy people that apartment complexes are purchased and made nicer and whole groups of people are getting displaced.

                      Honestly, my sister-in-law is six figures, excellent benefits and is so far below CEO and if she never gets higher than being comfortably wealthy, I will not feel sorry for her. She is not and never will be one of the people I am worried about.

                    7. Deb no offense I know you are religious and all that and mother Theresa was a hero to many but…

                      she was a idiot. She told a reporter when asked about those having abortions…send them all to me, those who would be aborted, a Christ loaves of bread thing I guess….there are millions of abortions worldwide each year. Her little charity where she was took care of what a couple of thousand?Why they allow you only a idiot to be known of, is because it then becomes a lot easier to manage media wise. She presents no difficulties.

                      The Dali Lama. A more elaborate thing but the same…a script. Easy to manage, no rough edges that would confuse and conflict corporate control. Peoples like that are chosen by media to be our heroes. Media is directed by corporate interest. WE need heroes they provide them. But only of a certain sort. And dead ones they allow us as well. they can be made to be what they want.

                      To topic…CEO pay or who wants to be one is not important, not in the slightest. What is important is what that says. I have been in upper management of a sort. All woman and men in upper management want to go up.
                      Only men going up means only one thng..discrimination. Women are just as able.

                      The stat is what is important..less than 5% means gross overt gender discrimination at the top of our entire financial world. there is no exception to this…….if anything the 5% are in fields like fashion design perhaps, clothing where it has to be a woman.
                      Things don’t roll uphill they roll down. the top has this….. the system is going to show bias.

                    8. This is my side Deb, I follow buddhist means (but not their formal religion)…. https://www.nytimes.com/1998/10/02/world/world-news-briefs-dalai-lama-group-says-it-got-money-from-cia.html

                      Yes…the CIA paid the dali lama a salary for years and years until we established relations with China. The CIA does not provide salaries to peoples who do not work for them.

                      Tibetan buddhism was a package sold the American people to demonize china back in the day. It was sold to us through media. The reality of historical Tibet…a serfdom…you were owned by a lord upon birth….slavery. Everyone who was not a nobel or a official in the religion. The only legal way out was to become a nun or monk.

                      So it is in things…packages sold us for various and sundry peoples with various agendas. I am not saying MT was CIA I am saying she was a convient media package used by others for some other agenda.
                      They allow us no others.

                      The Dali Lama made some enemies within Tibet religious enemies so his stuff came to light. Most do not.

                    9. The Dali Lama does hundreds of interviews yearly. He was on Larry King back in the day many many times.

                      How many times was he ever asked by anyone on his being paid a salary from the CIA….zero
                      This is my side I am not picking on MT. My side is the same.

                      On your side every hear any reporter asking MT on how she is going to take care of 10 M or so infants a year. 100 million in ten years…..zero times they asked her that question as well.

                    10. Greed is the wrong focus.

                      And the people who are focused on making it to the top don’t ever tend to notice the poor. They get so insulated and so distant and so pampered and pleasured and materialistic focused that they don’t even interact with the homeless or the underemployed. They lose touch with reality and lose compassion for the poor. There may be exceptions who have a Michael Jackson “Man in the Mirror” type of experience, which causes them to actively use their wealth to help poor people, but mostly not.

                      The Bible says

                      “No man can serve two masters: for either he
                      will hate the one, and love the other; or else
                      he will hold to the one, and despise the other,
                      Ye cannot serve God and mammon.”

                      I am not saying it as someone who is immune. It is easy to get focused on fixing up my house or something which is profoundly “me centered” and I fight against that. I try to focus on the people in need and listen to stories by people who help the poor. A man I knew died recently and he started helping the homeless when he was in college and that is how he spent every day, driving around locating homeless people and making sure they could find shelters or something to eat or that they got socks or jackets in the winter and medical care when they needed it. It was a full-time day in and out job for him and he never stopped. He passed away after an injury related to a fall a pulmonary embolism I think, but he is an example. Once you see the real need and start having compassion in that direction, there isn’t time for the rest of it. I have another friend who does missionary work with children who live in garbage dumps and siblings bring siblings to the meals they set up and there won’t be enough food and the stronger sibling gives the weaker sibling the food and she said that she couldn’t waste money on copy paper or paper clips because a child could have no food that day if she did. That is the direction I focus.

                    11. If they asked her that Deb in about 30 seconds it would become clear to all…she was a idiot, a convient product.
                      She would have no answer. But they never ask. So we can all think HHDL and MT are saints and this and that. Whatever we want they can be.
                      It is sad we loose our heroes when we grow up…but we have to sometime grow up.

                    12. It is not the money…it never is the money. It is what it says when they say only 5% are qualified.
                      Once a woman is allowed she can do more less or the same. I expect she will do the same….but she must be allowed equal opportunity.

                      Imagine a black person saying…. well all rich people are bad, so it is not so good they discriminate, but it is Ok….they all waste it anyway, keep it to themselves. It is all materialism anyway.… well sure.
                      But what about all that makes discrimination OK???.

                      This is not even close 5%. Gross overt discrimination.

                    13. Ron,

                      I don’t see it that these Fortune 500 companies are companies.

                      Will be do a fairness for wealthy women in greedy companies movement when there will never be a real movement for the poor ever.

                      The males and females at the bottom of society have each other’s backs where I am if they are compassionate people. (Or if they are users they hurt males and females based on vulnerability.)

                      Vulnerable groups are the ones who are getting further and further and further behind and we never focus there. Never.

                    14. And I am not Catholic and didn’t follow Mother Teresa as a personal leader. She worked tirelessly on behalf of the poor and could have been a wealthy woman who just enjoyed her life, but she cared too much and gave that up.

                    15. WE are allowed very little. I can be vegan.
                      A woman…. I suggest they do not wear a thing(symbol of ownership by another) of historical slavery of women.
                      Pretty simple. Disagree all will. But oh well.

                      Humans are humans. Warriors fighters they generally with few exceptions are not. So know not strategy of war nor how to defeat enemies. A fight is a fight with every available tool. there is no middle ground. Internally is the first enemy sighted.
                      If one sees not the internal enemy no win will ever come. With women clearly a symbol of slavery should never be worn, regardless of how many others be wearing it. If I a freed slave would I be wearing shackles….not on your life, never again no matter how many did of what color type or sort. If I was free,

                    16. Come out of the CEO part for a second.

                      Where you are, who are the homeless? Who are the prisoners? Who are the poor people at the soup kitchens if they have them?
                      Who are the abused? Who are the addicts? Who are the high school dropouts? Who are the ones who commit suicide?

                      Are they equally males and females? Can we flip it around and make sure the bottom is fair, too?

                      For me, there are a lot of males I include in those vulnerable groups. It is the males who succeeded at killing themselves and the males who are still homeless and the males who are high school dropouts and the males who went to prison.

                      You see, I look at who is truly vulnerable and it is the poor and around me the very bottom is male, then come single women and addicts and children of single parents and addicts. I group them together to care about.

                    17. Compassion is good and absolutely necessary for any human to be happy. It is how we are made up.
                      But MT was as displayed a idiot. A lot of rich peoples are idiots so she may have been rich. She spread falsehood and lies through ignorance. She could not take care of all aborted children not aborted but said she could. That believed in by enough peoples would lead to untoward amounts of suffering and pain.

                      Being compassionate is not in opposition to striving for equal rights for all to include women. It is not really even gender. It is about equal opportunity. All deserve it. Nothing non compassionate about it.

                    18. Ron,

                      And it is so American focus to worry about CEO’s.

                      Yes, let’s make sure more women get gold toilets and fill them with spring water when billions of people around the world can’t find a cupful of clean water to drink.

                      There was a missionary who came from a third world country to the USA and he came from an area where there was one pair of shoes for the whole family and where there was not running water or clean water or ready sources of food or hospitals.

                      Children are living in garbage dumps and they are less selfish and greedy than we are.

                    19. Our enemy is inequality. It presents in your form as income inequality, the poor. IN other fashion it may be legal inequality.
                      In this fashion it is gender inequality.

                      It is not that all have to be equal but all equal of opportunity. If we can stand for one sort, income perhaps, for the poor, we must stand for all, the woman as well, gender, when we see it..it is at heart the same problem. They are of the same root.
                      Compassion for one rightly has to be compassion for all. Races deserve equality so does gender of opportunity.
                      This is the top their top who controls. How could we ever expect a unequal thing there and a equal thing here?
                      There it is CEO or not. Here it is poor or not. Can one not see it is the same. Equal opportunity is the obstacle. Not who is rich or not. Who is poor or not.

                      To see the one and ignore the other serves to disfavor both.

                    20. Deb no offense but you are telling me American tales of fiction. Kids in Michigan have no clean water to drink. I know places in New Mexico with no running water toilets indoors nor electricity.

                      That idea is another fantasy of corporate invention..the everyone wants to come here one.
                      CAnada has their immigration rules set up to exclude americans so they will not move there to get free health care. So it is in many countries..that idea is pure corporate invention.

                      About half of americans could afford not a 1000 dollar unexpected bill without going functionally bankrupt.
                      This poor is not just street poor..now about half are a step away.

                    21. Greedy American altruistic poor..sorry no. I was street poor many years ago and worked on the streets many more…no the poor are the same all over. Some good some bad.

                      AS to giving, I when poor lived on others charity americans. When rich I gave in like kind. I find no such absence nor fault personally and find all are a lot like me. I will not beat myself up for others false standards. Blaming a victim for her rape I then next would be.
                      Some rich are good and some rich are bad.
                      Peoples do not change much good bad rich poor this or that and that and this….what affects things is systems set up to advantage or disadvantage.
                      And they are.

                    22. I look at it more like Schindlers List and at the end of the war he looked at his jewelry and it could have saved someone’s life.

                      He “got it” and once his eyes shifted from his own self-centered money focus to the human need everything changed inside of him.

                      Could it be really me pretending that their not alone?

                    23. I agree with you that being poor or rich doesn’t make you a better person.

                      I am saying that all of the wealthy people around me end up buying houses and vacation homes and Teslas or Mercedes and going on long vacations.

                      When I look at who volunteers at the homeless shelters or soup kitchens or other places it is disproportionately the poor people. I worked in ministry for a long time and it always was disproportionately the poor people. When someone loses their power or needs a meal it is almost always the poor people who give and the wealthy who analyze things.

                    24. So lack of money or using all ones money is then setting people free from death by facism???

                      No I am sorry if I was that simple we all would be all poor and giving all things away. Only in a LA scriptwriters dreams perhaps.
                      It is a absolute way of looking at things. A absolute way to end a thing is this or that. That is never ever found to be the answer in anything of even moderate complexity.

                      Giving away all one owns accomplishes one thing always…making one poor and almost always nothing else. In a storybook world such things are real. Aside Hollywood…no.

                    25. I am sorry I don’t know what poor you know. I know 6 months ago I had a poor person approaching my car with me and three kids inside brandishing a sizzors…I expect he was not wanting to cut my hair… Luckily I had my dog with me who hates street people.

                      They rape murder rob their own at least equal to and probably more than in other form any wall street banker. I see then at least once a week in daily life and did myself work at as a volunteer at one of these food places 6 months or so …not to many great peoples I found there. It is quite romantic to think so though.

                    26. Name one altruistic humanistic fortune 500 company.

                      The concept of pointing to greedy companies and saying

                      Scrooge won’t put a woman in as CEO.

                      Doesn’t make sense.

                      Stop buying Scrooges soda and other products or just don’t focus on him.

                      We act as if Fortune 500 means something and it doesn’t.

                    27. Ron,

                      There are mentally ill people as part of that segment of society and desperate people and criminals and addicts and foster kids and runaways and working poor fixed income people on disability.

                      I was actually surprised how many good people are there.

                    28. YOu mentioned Nazis how many jews were allowed corporation control during those days in that place…. Nazis
                      I expect 5% would probably be about it…jewish concerns only for jews there had to be some, they probably ran them. Not beyond that.

                      How many of those place were altruistic has not a thing to do with anything. In equality of opportunity does not stay with gender or race or type or religion it spreads and causes always poverty and murder and war and all sorts of evil. These things do not stay in one place. And them being giving or not has not a thing to do with a thing.

                      WE can then put things in absolute terms of altrusim to justify a position of slavery or inequality…by what wisdom that?
                      The poor are not giving or they are. The rich are not or they are…………. but the issue is equal opportunity freedom.

                    29. I don’t know where you live.I know where I live and the near city…the highest crime rate in many catagories in the nation and guess what…one of the largest street poor populations.

                      I prepare for trouble whenever I pass by one. Which is quite often at times. And read and hear consistently peoples being stabbed beaten and who knows what by them.
                      This idea of nobel poor is just not fact. A fantasy much adhered to by the neoliberal I guess. the notion peoples are good but made bad by this or that usually evil bankers. Truth is people suck all the way around.But them sucking does not mean they should not have equal opportunity. That only makes all things worse. Especially woman as we all come from women. They always are our mothers. How can we discriminate our mothers?

                      People suck rich poor young old docs clerks all every one. But the system has to be fair and even so things do not go from bad to worse, and make this sucking a big loud sound all of us are drawn into….gender discrimination is one thing that produces that sound which spells trouble for human.
                      WE create environments in which we may not hurt rather than help. This first is that…no discrimination ever.

                    30. There are only a few issues which get promoted within each decade and people get burnt out with compassion and passion and time and energy and giving and exercising political power.

                      Women and the press have decided that fortune 500 and the me too movement are the women’s issues.

                      The me too movement will keep growing because 1 out of 3 women have been sexually abused and it should let men in and let them say me too too because we will never get around to giving them a movement like it and they are abused 1 in 6 and might be more than that because they are less talkative about it.

                      There are so many real issues and we can’t possible get to them all with equal weight.

                      The thing about trying to manipulate companies into putting women as CEO’s they just need to offer enough financial incentive and it will happen.

                      What would you like to give the companies to get them to do it?

                      Cut their taxes in half if they put a woman there? Pay them to do it? Have the government which is In debt buy their products if they would only be nice enough to hire a woman as CEO? They will hire fake CEOs to get whatever you want to give because it is all about money or it already would be fair. Do you want to pass laws that they have to do it? Or cut the Fortune 500 in half and assign 250 have to take a woman and 250 have to take a man?

                      They just aren’t what I want to focus on.

                      I would rather focus on WFPB and that would help more women than having a handful of women get promoted one or two extra steps.

                    31. I am not saying what any personal person should do with their life. That is not my concern nor my business.We should all work to remove systemic bias. How could we do that with corporation…create by legislation profit share necessity in large corporation concern.

                      AS a necessity of doing business profits to be shared with workers. A percentage of profits. To oversee the process every corporation required to have representation on corporate board…..

                      So then women will enter the corporate ladder as workers representatives to monitor the profit dispersal and accommodation. From there income disparity will lessen and woman will start to enter the ruling class purview.
                      Simple really..start the ball rolling. the worker can elect who represents on the board. So like as not that is a woman. The workers want who is best at a thing not who is male best at a thing.i And then the board starts to represent woman not just the favored few golden children and things start to slowly change.

                      Share of profits I can explain in detail how that works and what it does…. that is another issue. It actually is a corporate invention to enhance productivity little endeavored in this day of excess wealth at the top. This is relatively easily sold to commoners if given fairly to vote on. It may never happen but it could and should. They will never be given this.

                    32. Maybe we can charge a female CEO tax on their products and the customers can pay double the price on the products and we can let them have two CEOd a male and a female would be fair.

                    33. I actually back in the day worked for a place with profit sharing. It is quite doable and was once the thing to do.
                      That breaks the dam it is the first crack. When profits are endeavored to be given to workers as opposed to the elite management, they retain control of capital and fixed assets, then corporation works functionally more efficient. Then only does income disparity start to devolve the why of CEO’s making a thousand times that of workers.

                      Things here are unbalanced in a capitalistic sort. Capitalism does not function with income all at the top. It creates instability and eventually unrest. WE think it normal it is not historically.

                      So with the one opens up also the corporate structure from which CEO’s evolve. Women start to enter it by election of the commoners.

                    34. Wow, Deb that so eloquently accurate. Corporations especially international corps are killing democracy. They are sucking the life blood out and giving it to a handful of people, who are like a cancer, wanting more and more resources and blood supply, until the rest of the system is dead. They pay little taxes, they consolidate and eradicate jobs and control policies, limiting their power like cancer being able to turn off apoptosis.

                      End

                    35. You are not reading what I am writing. You tax no one. You legislate profit sharing necessity at a corporate level.
                      Profits beyond expenses and capital improvement go to who…the top now.
                      You legislate that most of it goes to who…those who create profit..the workers. That is how capitalism is supposed to work. Who works produces and then receives the profit. Not owns the materials but a share in the profit.

                      Women will enter the structure as elected by commoner to the seats on corporate board necessitated to manage the transfer and oversee of profit necessary by legislation.

                    36. It is clear you never heard of this. All employees retain a salary every one much as now at different rates to include CEO.
                      The profits of the corporation are divided equally based upon existant salary equally amongst all employees when once they were left to a part of the working group the top.

                      So each gets a share in the profit at a equal percent based on existing salary nothing changes. But the profit is not taken here or there to stock buy backs dividends or this or that but to all the workforce. It is not socialism the owners retain ownership it affects only profits. In years of loss it is the same peoples are laid off or the company writes loans to sustain the business model. All is the same but with the difference of existant profit sharing.

                      To do that you need oversite. The employee elects representatives to protect the process…who will be like as not women. So women break the glass ceiling. Slowly but that is all that is needed. When given equal opportunity they will eventually excel…they are hard workers.

                    37. Beyond capital gains taxation payment obligation and this and that there is then profit or loss. Usually profit. That is divided equally from top to bottom amongst all workers. You are at the top the profit is 5% you get in addition to salary 5% At the bottom you get 5% more….

                      A loss nothing changes layoffs or loans.
                      it could be easily legislated. But only at corporations above a certain size. Not mom and pop organization perhaps a 100 employee minimum. You negotiate the specifics in political discussion.

                      It will never happen here but this is the way to start to change the old boys network which is corporate America.

                    38. Someone once said women get more radical as they age men more conservative….hmmm
                      In any event it may be time to update a music file or two.
                      A good start may be this…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeHBM8VjUUc
                      Any questions on it ask around. The video is sort of self explanatory the lyrical part I mean,

                    39. I’m so sorry I am making a minor playwright mistake…I am completely forgetting the audience for the tale….the video may also bear explaining.

                      In Japanese filmography, the dragon of Godzilla, is representing the evil of nuclear weaponry, as symbol. In this specific this is a use of this symbol to fight for the current japan, and it technological advanced state, represented by the metal man against other foes, Likely Chinese the historical enemy and perhaps then Korean.

                      So it is favoring nuclear technology and weaponry as tool for modern Japan..

                      But the video was added to the music. It is not a original product of the music performers. A person close to them but not them nor Issac Bruce, made this combination of video and song. The video combined with music is addressing as vehicle, the human tendency to utilize symbol(word) to mean the actual. How we internalize our reality by subverting it to symbol or word. Leaving us with a incomplete vehicle as they never quite match…. the two. By my read.
                      It is quite complex you may care to do your own study.

                      Or not. You may find Dean Martin quite superior.

                    40. As this subplot of the discussion began with the wedding rings and woman roles in things perhaps it is appropriate to end there as well..

                      This link… http://www.espn.com/olympics/gymnastics/story/_/id/24999388/mary-bono-resigns-usa-gymnastics-four-days
                      references a thing in USAG. A scandle had erupted several years ago. The system USAG, had produced a pedophile doc, who examined all the leading gymnists and was convicted in what appears now to be inappropriate conduct with hundreds of them, over the years. He will never get out of jail…thankfully.

                      Now the system produced him. Now the system also produced, MS Bono, to now lead the organization, by appointment of the board. Who led the charge with a tweet demonizing Colin Kapernick and NIKE.

                      NIKE is a sponsor of top athletes in USAG, to include one Miss Biles, a sufferer of abuse, and also a Olympic gymnast gold medal holder.
                      And to cap it off, Ms Bono is associated with the law firm that represented the pedophile in the courts.

                      Point being systemic bias against women presents in many forms. Yes Ms Bono is a woman, but represented by close association the firm that defended the pedophile. And she by statement stands, by that association. Then has the unmitigated gall to demonize others who represent associations with NIKE, she finds distasteful on moral grounds.
                      This is what the system buys women. How long how many abuses have to occur how many Norman Finkelsteins, till one realizes they are not on womans side. Only ever by necessity.

                      She was removed as Biles and others went very public, and it became to much for them to continue with her..but it was not for lack of trying. And try they did. Gymnastics is a young girls sport for soccer mom types to endeavor, very costly.

                      This is so evil I could not have made such a story up. The system the board, brings such things of evil upon us. Yes wedding rings speak of 1500 hundred years of for the most par,t women being owned by man. Sad but true. That is clearly how Romans used those things. And roman empire we suffered in various forms for 1500 years. The love association had some minor introduction in western culture at timeswith the ring, but in the main it was ownership till around 1400 or so.

  9. On dates..you have some nutritional content, as people here have mentioned, some quite valuable, but as to sugar…you may as well be taking a sugar pill….

    “Amounts Per Selected Serving
    %DV
    Total Carbohydrate
    18.0
    g
    6%
    Dietary Fiber
    1.6
    g
    6%
    Starch
    Sugars
    16.0
    g

    I believe that is one date a serving. You eat a bunch and you eat how much sugar? I am not in that situation of course, but how could I advise someone to eat this healthy thing…what’s next, nibble on this cane of sugar? That has nutritive content as well raw and all on a stalk.

    1. A whopping 1%DV of protein which means what you are eating is basically almost all sugar. Helps childbirth seemingly, but at what other cost to a womans health? 10 dates may well be 160 gms of sugar.

      1. Last time I ate a date was the last and first time I looked at it sugar content. I mean you can taste the sugar in it, so I checked.
        Berries maybe they have a lot of sugar but it tastes different as if other content makes up for it. Which I guess if fact. Fruit juice same thing…you can taste all sugar, which all are. Sure some benefit but at what other negative?

        I have looked at kids affects under sugar…there is a noticeable behavior modification almost instantly…..how could it be all that good for adults?

  10. Nutritionfacts, please remove the popups that request subscribing to the newsletter.

    It doesn’t exactly improve website surfing usability and are annoying. They even pop up again in Spanish when declining them in English.

  11. NM ron, I replied to you somewhere up the hill. I hit the wrong “reply,” so it wasn’t directly under your “I’m so sorry” bit.

    (Are you truly sorry, BTW? Somehow I doubt it.)

    1. Ah…I am sorry in the context of I am sorry I assume others may know things of my specialities. Some things I know virtually nothing of, some a bit, and some a lot.
      The thing about Godzilla it occurred to me may not be common knowledge. So one may not be able to make the leap between the video and the music.

      So a new playwright may be inclined to make such mistakes, to play to their audience, as opposed to a audience that may be present. So that is the context to explain.

      1. I am truthfully much more sorry about the Norman Finkelstein misstatement as Harvey Weinstein. Norman by my read is one of the finest examples of a jewish person to be found in the world. Excellent in every regard and a scholor to boot. Far superior to me in any regard and I misspeak him for a piece of garbage heinous manipulator of women for sexual benefit…and who looks the part by any hollywood casting.

        For that I am way way sorry but little expect he reads these things as my saving grace. Your thing…well maybe you knew the Godzilla thing.

        1. Ron,

          My heart goes out to the people who were involved both with the gymnasts and with Weinstein.

          I am six degrees of separation from both thing in an odd way. My young cousin is a gymnast, but she is coming into it after this. She won a regional so she will be at the Nationals but it will be a miracle if she makes the Olympics because she never left school and trained with the types of coaches to make it to the Olympics. She is in the Top 25 gymnasts in the country or something like that, but it is really only the Top 10 who actually stands a chance. Who knows what will happen between this Olympics when she is first eligible to try out and next one. It just is an honor to be able to try out for it and she has not deviated from a rich and full life at home with her family and friends. A lot of young girls who are as good as she is end up separated from their families and sacrificing so much to do that process. I can’t even imagine that they end up having to go through being molested on top of all of the other stressors of competition. Her father talked about how hard it is to know what to do when your child is Top 25 good but maybe not Top 7 good and you have to decide whether to re-mortgage your house or take them out of school or move to another state. He said that the Top positions are highly politicized and his family is not in the whole political scheme of things. She still has a technical chance if she suddenly were to show up and highly perform at the Nationals, but she didn’t do the extra process to get there. She just is good at gymnastics.

          1. I have very close relations involved at the same level in this Deb.
            My feeling is the 25 or 7 thing is not so important, there is not much money to be made unless one is a top three and even then not a great lot excepting a Biles or such. I actually worked with a female Olympic gymnast from back in the day for many years. She had no particular advantage monetarily from the experience excepting getting to travel to foreign places for the world and Olympic championships. And she was American top three for several years.

            What is important is the college scholarship. These girls are just one of them now entering high school age but it already is a necessity to consider and prepare for. Setting ones whole life up for the Olympics I think is a very poor choice. Get a scholarship that is the thing. Moving and all that is not necessary to do that. And if naturally good enough the offers will come.

            1. She always regretted actually not getting involved more in tennis. A natural athlete she could excel at anything. That was back then where the money was at any top level really.

            2. That is cool that you were able to work with a Top 3 gymnast. There are people around me who have gone to the Olympics before, but this is a relative. It feels different.

              This is her first go-round with the process and I will say that I don’t know what to expect from her yet. She just reached the age where she can try. She won one of the regional competitions, which automatically sends her to the Nationals. Not all competitions have the automatic Nationals perk, but she won one which did. She was already offered a full scholarship to an excellent university the day she won the regional. It is a good University. She isn’t old enough to drive yet but her future is falling into place. Her sister also competes but they told her that her birth month and year put her in the wrong age to try for the Olympics, but she will have her university paid for by scholarships, too. The family did have scholarships and having her have a healthy life and have fun as their goal during the whole process. There hasn’t been real sacrifice or real stress. Just joy. My cousin converted to Judaism and we went to her Bat Mitzvah and I think she had 100 close friends there on top of 100 family members. She has the best of both worlds and has a level head on her shoulders.

  12. I’m going to pass on this great tidbit of information to pregnant women. I only wish I’d know about dates during the last four weeks of pregnancy so I could pass that information on to a neighbor who wanted to have a natural delivery of her second child instead of the C-section the hospital scheduled when the baby was weeks overdue.

  13. Hi Dr Greger, I am 25 weeks pregnant and considering an epidural. Mostly because my CNM told me she sees a lot less vaginal tearing in her epidural patients and I would very much like to minimize my tearing. So any information you have on the safety of epidurals, vaginal tearing, or anything else related to this stage of pregnancy/delivery/early infancy would be greatly appreciated. Anyway, I loved this video! I’m already so much less nervous about the possibilities of needing to be induced, having a crazy long labor, or losing dangerous amounts of blood.

  14. > [Labor induction is] “one of the most commonly-performed obstetrical procedures” in the U.S., dramatically increasing over the last few decades—from less than 10% of deliveries to now nearly a quarter. There are certainly legitimate medical indications, but are often done just for “convenience,” and not necessarily the convenience of the patient, but the provider may also have perverse “financial incentives” and other reasons to want to speed things along.

    Is there any source to back up the financial incentive claim here? Are you up to date on the ARRIVE Trial? See the link below:
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1800566

    1. My mistake: I failed to check the list of citations before posting my comment, and they are provided. I still suggest reviewing the linked study for more up-to-date information.

  15. Are there any studies on pregnant GBS+ Women and dietary interventions before delivery? Also studies showing the risks of the use of IV antibiotics in mother/baby gut health and immunity?

  16. I did a PubMed search and found one relevant study, which was a survey analyzing vegan diet and Group B strep carriage during pregnancy. Unfortunately, there is no abstract nor any online access to the article! I can’t find discussion on professional organizations, either. It is discussed in online chat forums, but this may or may not be evidence-based. Here is the article reference if you may find that useful. Maybe a librarian could help? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=vegan+carriage+of+group+b+strep -Best, Dr Anderson, Health Support Volunteer

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