Flashback Friday: Inhibiting Platelet Activation with Garlic & Onions

Flashback Friday: Inhibiting Platelet Activation with Garlic & Onions
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Why should we wait ten minutes after chopping or crushing garlic before we cook it unless we’re going in for elective surgery within the next week?

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As we age, our arteries stiffen. These are measurements of the stiffness of our aorta, the main artery coming off the heart, as we get older and older. As our aorta stiffens, it leads to a range of pathological changes, such as exposing our brain and kidneys to greater pressure fluctuations, which may increase the risk of stroke and impairment of kidney function.

Those who consume garlic, though, just less than a quarter teaspoon of garlic powder a day, appear to have less stiffness in their aortas. We think this is because garlic seems to improve the function of the inner lining of our arteries, which helps our arteries relax. But the protective mechanisms of garlic against cardiovascular diseases are multiple, and include a combination of anti-clotting, clot-busting, antioxidant, and blood pressure and cholesterol lowering effects.  The latest review suggests a long-term garlic intake may drop bad cholesterol levels about 10%, but the blood thinning effects are such that the American Society of Anesthesiology recommends garlic intake be stopped a week before elective surgery.

Or, presumably, you could just cook it to death. Unlike the anti-clotting components concentrated in the yellow fluid around tomato seeds, which are heat stable, the antiplatelet activity in garlic and onions is lost with cooking.  Here’s the platelet inhibition of raw garlic compared to boiled garlic, which was down around raw onion. So, garlic appears about 13 times more potent than onion, and raw appears to be better than cooked, suggesting that garlic and onion could be more potent inhibitors of blood clotting if consumed in raw than in cooked or boiled form. So, right before surgery it might be good to cook garlic, but what about the rest of the time when we’re trying to suppress platelet overactivity to decrease the risk of heart attacks and stroke? As garlic and onion are normally consumed in cooked food, their efficacy as preventive herbs in cardiovascular disease may be doubtful. But we can put some raw onion on salads, raw garlic in salsa, dressings, dips, or pesto.

Or we can crush or chop it, wait ten minutes and then cook it. Here’s the platelet inhibiting power of raw garlic, and if you cook it just a few minutes, it does fine, but after cooking like five minutes, the effect is abolished. But if you pre-crush and wait, some of the antiplatelet activity is retained a bit longer. That’s because the enzyme that makes the antiplatelet compounds is activated by crushing, but destroyed by heat faster than the compounds it creates. So, by crushing first and letting the enzyme work its magic before cooking, one can delay the loss of function.

Even better though, just like we can add broccoli enzymes in the form of raw radish or mustard powder to boost the benefits of broccoli, the addition of a little raw garlic juice to cooked garlic can restore the full complement of antiplatelet activity that was completely lost without the raw garlic addition.

When onions are cooked, the antiplatelet activity is similarly abolished within ten minutes. But then something strange happens. After 20 or 30 minutes of cooking, the effect on platelets is reversed and appears to make matters worse. Significant pro-platelet activation effects, suggesting that extensively cooked onions may stimulate rather than inhibit platelets. This was in a test tube, though. Thankfully, when tested in people, even when onions are dropped in boiling water, fried for ten minutes, and then left to simmer for 30, platelet activation drops within an hour and three hours after onion soup ingestion.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by Katie Schloer.

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Images thanks to HolgersFotografie via Pixabay.

As we age, our arteries stiffen. These are measurements of the stiffness of our aorta, the main artery coming off the heart, as we get older and older. As our aorta stiffens, it leads to a range of pathological changes, such as exposing our brain and kidneys to greater pressure fluctuations, which may increase the risk of stroke and impairment of kidney function.

Those who consume garlic, though, just less than a quarter teaspoon of garlic powder a day, appear to have less stiffness in their aortas. We think this is because garlic seems to improve the function of the inner lining of our arteries, which helps our arteries relax. But the protective mechanisms of garlic against cardiovascular diseases are multiple, and include a combination of anti-clotting, clot-busting, antioxidant, and blood pressure and cholesterol lowering effects.  The latest review suggests a long-term garlic intake may drop bad cholesterol levels about 10%, but the blood thinning effects are such that the American Society of Anesthesiology recommends garlic intake be stopped a week before elective surgery.

Or, presumably, you could just cook it to death. Unlike the anti-clotting components concentrated in the yellow fluid around tomato seeds, which are heat stable, the antiplatelet activity in garlic and onions is lost with cooking.  Here’s the platelet inhibition of raw garlic compared to boiled garlic, which was down around raw onion. So, garlic appears about 13 times more potent than onion, and raw appears to be better than cooked, suggesting that garlic and onion could be more potent inhibitors of blood clotting if consumed in raw than in cooked or boiled form. So, right before surgery it might be good to cook garlic, but what about the rest of the time when we’re trying to suppress platelet overactivity to decrease the risk of heart attacks and stroke? As garlic and onion are normally consumed in cooked food, their efficacy as preventive herbs in cardiovascular disease may be doubtful. But we can put some raw onion on salads, raw garlic in salsa, dressings, dips, or pesto.

Or we can crush or chop it, wait ten minutes and then cook it. Here’s the platelet inhibiting power of raw garlic, and if you cook it just a few minutes, it does fine, but after cooking like five minutes, the effect is abolished. But if you pre-crush and wait, some of the antiplatelet activity is retained a bit longer. That’s because the enzyme that makes the antiplatelet compounds is activated by crushing, but destroyed by heat faster than the compounds it creates. So, by crushing first and letting the enzyme work its magic before cooking, one can delay the loss of function.

Even better though, just like we can add broccoli enzymes in the form of raw radish or mustard powder to boost the benefits of broccoli, the addition of a little raw garlic juice to cooked garlic can restore the full complement of antiplatelet activity that was completely lost without the raw garlic addition.

When onions are cooked, the antiplatelet activity is similarly abolished within ten minutes. But then something strange happens. After 20 or 30 minutes of cooking, the effect on platelets is reversed and appears to make matters worse. Significant pro-platelet activation effects, suggesting that extensively cooked onions may stimulate rather than inhibit platelets. This was in a test tube, though. Thankfully, when tested in people, even when onions are dropped in boiling water, fried for ten minutes, and then left to simmer for 30, platelet activation drops within an hour and three hours after onion soup ingestion.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by Katie Schloer.

Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.

Images thanks to HolgersFotografie via Pixabay.

Doctor's Note

For background on what platelets are, what they do, and why we should care, see Inhibiting Platelet Aggregation with Berries and Inhibiting Platelet Activation with Tomato Seeds.

What else can garlic do? Check out:

What was that about mustard powder boosting the benefits of broccoli? See my Second Strategy to Cooking Broccoli video. Broccoli is also a potent activator of our liver’s detoxifying enzymes. Learn more in my Best Food to Counter the Effects of Air Pollution video.

Wondering whether it’s better to cook vegetables or eat them raw? See Best Cooking Method and, for a surprise update, The Best Way to Cook Sweet Potatoes. And since this video originally came out, I’ve also added: Best Way to Cook Vegetables, How to Cook Greens, and Does Pressure Cooking Preserve Nutrients?

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      1. The title of the linked article says it all:

        “ No, garlic won’t protect you from coronavirus: WHO pushes back on rampant misinformation.”

        1. So garlic, etc. won’t make you immune to the virus… well duh… but certainly a healthy body has a much better chance at fighting it off and not having to end up in the hospital on a respirator. So Dan C, keep eating that garlic and lots of vitamin C rich foods and all the medicinal goodness of a whole foods plant based diet always and especially now and then when this passes, always.

          1. Speaking of coronavirus, I was just reading some tips and info from Harvard (https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/treatments-for-covid-19) and read “because [viruses] reproduce so rapidly, they have plenty of opportunity to mutate (change their genetic information) with each new generation, potentially developing resistance to whatever drugs or vaccines we develop.”

            I am a total laymen on this, but it made me think of anti mutagenic activity of certain plants. And it made me wonder… say for examples if you’re such a regular green tea drinker or rather your whole diet consists of regular consumption of plants with anti mutagenic properties that you have these things built up in your blood, could this make it harder for a virus to become resistant in your body?

      2. Clinicians are describing two types of pulmonary symptoms with covid-19. One is SARDS which develops late. The other is described as L phenotype. L phenotype has inspired a number of explanations and descriptions. Explanations include epithelial damage in the capillaries of the lungs causing constriction and hypoxia. Here is a discussion with many sources cited.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8aG63yigjA

        So at this point I wouldn’t discourage any dietary effort to improve vascular health. Of course this does not mean garlic attacks the virus any more than vit D. But both seem a good idea and Quercetin is a zinc ionophore so on that basis alone the alliums are attractive.

      1. 1. That is not NIH data. It is a Mexican study that is just one of millions of articles listed on the PubMed database
        2. The article does not even mention corona viruses in general let alone covid-19

        1. Of course it doesn’t mention Covid. There was no Covid when this was done. You discount it just because it was done in Mexico?
          But boosting the immune system isn’t such a bad idea is it?

          1. I don’t discount because it was done in Mexico. You stated that it was US NIH data. It was not NIH data, it was not even US data. That was the point – you misdescribed what it was.

            No. Boosting the immune system isn’t necessarily a bad idea (although the cytokine storm effect seen in some covid-19 patients is an aspect of an overactive immune response).

            I was just trying to point out that there is no evidence that garlic will prevent or cure covid-19.

            1. Once my Blood Oxygen Saturation was 87 percent saturated.
              I started eating garlic and in one half of an hour it raised to 99 percent .

              Over the last few years I have increased my Garlic Consumption when I got
              a nasty virus , and it kept me out of the hospital .

              The WHO website has an article about Myths , and they stay eating Garlic
              or Garlic Powder , will not help with Covid 19.

              I live in a Nursing Home where several people test positive for Covid 19 .

              One day I got really short of breath , and I started drinking alot of coffee
              and hot sauce and garlic powder all together in a beverage , and my shortness
              of breath when away..

              Eating Garlic has not wiped out my Hep C , which was a dissapointment to me .

              There is however something about Garlic that raises the Blood Oxygen Saturation percentage .

              Also I no longer need to go to dentists . Whenever I get a toothache , I press a small pile
              of Garlic Powder against my painful tooth , and by the next day , my tooth does not hurt
              anymore.

              I left a message on the WHO website , letting them know that Garlic consumption increases
              blood oxygen saturation .

        2. Fumblefingers,
          The article DOES mention Natural Killer cells. Natural Killer cells are inhibited in the early stages of covid-19 along with monocytes so maintenance of these important parts of our innate immune system seems warranted.

      1. * sorry, Robert. I misread your post. I thought you were asking about the expensive aged garlic supplements which were found to not be effective. Garlic powder ie dried and ground plain garlic works as you will see in the video I posted. Under the sources tab you can click on the links to individual studies to see what they used. Often Dr Greger will mention if it’s just garlic powder.

        1. Barb, should I buy a supplement at the health food store or buy powder at the grocery store? Are they the same product?? Thanks, Bob

          1. Bob, I myself tend to avoid pills/capsules when I can and use the whole food. I do use garlic and onions almost daily in everything I cook except breakfast. However, after watching a few of Dr Greger’s videos on the subject I also bought a garlic powder from my local health food store. I bought it in bulk months ago, but companies do offer packaged or bottled garlic powder. I use 1/8 tsp garlic powder daily along with other powders plus the fresh garlic in meals, though some studies Dr Greger cited used 1/4 tsp/ day if I recall….would have to recheck that.
            Shopping these days is challenging. Above all, stay safe.

            1. Barb, thank you for being so patient! One last question….does the dried garlic powder at the supermarket qualify for health benefit or should I buy the powder at my health food store??? Warm regards,

              1. The powder sold in the supermarket along with salt and pepper and other herbs is just as good and less expensive. I believe they have organic as well if that is important to you.

            1. Bhrollin, I agree with the supplement philosophy….My problem is that my wife does not like raw garlic. If we can use a powder or dried version, that would work much better. I just don’t know which dried one provides the results reported by Dr. Greger.

      1. Asking my question more directly, where should I buy garlic powder and what brand or name? What to look for and what to avoid! Thanks

        1. LOL!

          But the smell probably doesn’t overstimulate sexuality in the potential partners.

          But the good news is that it may keep the vampires away.

            1. Maybe that would also be a good time for both partners to don their little maskie-poos that the whole world might be required to wear. “You won’t be able to blow your stinky breath at me, I won’t be able to blow mine at you. So let’s go to town!” :-D

              1. I’ve always thought that wearing a mask is one of the best protections. That is, they keep us from touching our mouth or nose. I also felt it best to wear wrap around glasses and gloves. I went to a local WalMart for a 10 minute shopping spree early yesterday morning and me and one other shoppers were wearing masks.

                In the county where I live there have been no Covid-19 cases observed yet, but that will change. There is even a confirmed case among the tribes in the rain forest in Brazil, a tribe member who is also a health worker.

                  1. Yikes! YR, that’s a scary video.

                    I mean, what if I look that bad when I’M 95? I’ve got to start taking better care of myself.

                1. Lonie,
                  When I went shopping I had the same experience. I could sense that the workers appreciated shoppers wearing protection–kind of like, I got your back, you cover mine. Just about everyone was social distancing though.

              2. Indians substitute an herb called Asafoetida for garlic and onion. Not sure if I spelled it correctly. It is tasty, with an onion-like flavor. I wish it were easier to find in USA.

                1. foetida – foetid? So, it has a foetid smell? (For non-English speakers, that would be ‘fetid’ in American).

                  Doesn’t sound like it would smell any better than garlic and according to WebMD
                  “Asafoetida is a plant that has a bad smell and tastes bitter.”

                  Its common English name is apparently ‘Devil’s dung’. I might give it a miss.

    1. Hi Jack, thanks for your question. I think they are indicating these food such as onions and garlic to be so potent that it could interfere with spiritual path for those who are going to evolve spiritually. “Garlic and onions are both rajasic and tamasic, and are forbidden to yogis because they root the consciousness more firmly in the body”, says well-known authority on Ayurveda, Dr. Robert E. Svoboda.

      Source: http://www.nogarlicnoonions.com/why-no-garlic-or-onions-an-interesting-article/
      Copyright © 2012-2020 NoGarlicNoOnions

    2. Hi Jack,

      Watch this short vide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBEOjcUDeFM
      In it Sadhguru (very wise man) says that garlic, onion and chilli paper – all contain powerful medicinal properties – and we should treat them as medicine, and not as food. If consumed every day as food they will overstimulate our nervous system.

      Furthermore, he warns us of other stimulants, such as coffee and caffeinated tea – if consumed sparingly it may not be as dangerous, but if consumed on daily basis, these substances will bring adverse affect to our health, mainly to our nervous system.

  1. Too many unanswered questions about garlic powder in the grocery store, off the shelf. I was told
    that the garlic is dried by heat before becoming powder. So, even though doc mentions the powder, how can it be as effective as the raw garlic. I consume everyday. Anyone please answer. Thanks and be well!

    Maybe they grind the RAW garlic first, let it sit FOR 30 minutes then into the drier to dry it. Who knows?

    1. Ruthie,

      A good start to answering your questions is to type “garlic” in the search bar on this site, and check out the results.

      For example, here is one:

      “ Heart disease patients were randomized to receive either garlic powder or placebo tablets twice daily for three months. And, those lucky enough to be in the garlic group got a significant boost in their artery function: a 50 percent increase in function taking only 800 mg of garlic powder a day. That’s just a quarter-teaspoon of garlic powder; a 50 percent increase in artery function for less than a penny a day.”. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/benefits-of-garlic-powder-for-heart-disease/

      There are more; 33 videos popped up in this search. Not all will be as relevant, of course.

      Have fun sleuthing!

      1. Thank you very much. I’m interested in the anti platelet activity that is not in cooked garlic per the remarks in the blog above. Is the garlic in garlic powder heat treated before becoming powder, therefore not having the anti platelet activity? Probably I’m just not interpreting what I read .

        Also, it’s easy to get acceptable raw garlic ‘juice.’ I use a garlic press, drop the clove in and squeeze. The juice drips out and the pulp is separate enough to use in another recipe or store in a tiny glass jar in frig for another recipe. Then,—-when you open the lid is when you get that super strong overpowering odor. You got to be ready for it too! Grin!

        1. Also, it’s easy to get acceptable raw garlic ‘juice.’ I use a garlic press, drop the clove in and squeeze. The juice drips out and the pulp is separate enough to use in another recipe or store in a tiny glass jar in frig for another recipe.
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          Ruthie, great procedure you’ve adopted.

          But for the instant gratification group (like me) we can buy jars of minced garlic have a good sized amount of juice/oil component of garlic. There was a time when I had a freezer full of those cartons of egg product (got them on sale) fast food burger joints used for making their egg muffins for breakfast. I would stir up a pan of those scrambled eggies and pour some of the garlic oil off of the minced garlic, with a bit of the minced with it. The herd of cats adapted to it and all seemed to do quite well health-wise.

          I’m currently using only whole garlic cloves stored in brine water, that I cut up in onion skin-thin slices before adding to a soup. I doubt anyone has done a brine water/garlic combination study for retention of efficacy.

          Wish they would ’cause I’d really like to know.

    1. Those countries also have first responders in need of covid-19 protection and 3M likely does business on a first come first served basis. We all know how the US administration diddled while other countries were placing orders.

      1. The first responders said that they ordered the masks for the medical people months ago and were given run around and deceptive answers and were told that the masks going to countries with MUCH milder case loads was because of CASH rather than placing the orders that were already there.

        It is lying by 3M that is the problem.

        1. Either way, the cases in the USA are growing faster than anywhere in the entire world. Eclipsing what Italy saw and the US manufacturer of masks is going to be the USA company that didn’t show up for the country.

          Ford and GM and every other American company did.

          1. Plus, they are going to be the one company who won’t alter their priorities.

            Every other company has responded as if it was wartime.

              1. Plus, those weren’t Federal purchases.

                This was the states who have been being given the runaround.

                And if they weren’t going to deliver, they needed to communicate that is the whole point.

                We obviously need a second company because even their attitude is communicated as if they didn’t care at all.

                Honestly, there was ZERO care communicated. Just arrogance and indifference by 3M.

                I think that is what upsets me the most.

                We need a different company supplying masks. One that will care.

                1. And, Wait your turn is NOT generally how Medical care and emergency service is given.

                  It is prioritized by most urgent need.

                  Guess what, NY with the most deaths will be getting more ventilators and masks and every single thing than any other state right now, even if they were too busy to ask faster than Maine or Idaho.

                  1. Plus, they are an American company and there is no way they haven’t heard the desperate push for masks and instead of communicating the problems even in manufacturing and inviting companies like GM or Ford in to help, they are obfuscating for months and then putting out statements that the people in Canada and Brazil and other countries have medical people at risk and some of ours actually died this week.

          2. Deb, Someone needs to dig in and find out who really owns 3M. Maybe it’s owned by a foreign country? I think the USA is the only country in the world who sells itself to other countries !

            1. Who owns 3M? I do. And a lot of my friends and coworkers and neighbors do. It’s a publicly traded company on the New York Stock exchange. It’s one of the largest companies in the world. This not only means that you can go buy some shares of the company right now, and become part owner, any time you want, it also means that all majority owners must be publicly disclosed, so you can see who they are. Here is a quote from U. of Minnesota library website on how to do this:

              “Go to EDGAR and search for proxy statements DEF-14A. This information is reported as beneficial ownership of common stocks and reports both the number and percentage of stocks owned by the executives (including the board of directors) and institutional shareholders.” Foreign investors can buy shares as well, but if they become majority stockholders, this would become apparent in the government filings.

              The owners vote for the board of directors of the company that make all the decisions. If we the shareholders don’t like the decisions, we can terminate the directors and hire new ones. It’s all very transparent and democratic.

          3. The US has a population of 330 million. Italy has a population of 60 million.

            The fact that the US might have more cases or more deaths than Italy doesn’t necessarily prove that it has a worse problem. What is the rate relative to population size might be an informative question to ask.

            I also hear that China has nationalised 3M’s Shanghai mask manufacturing plant and is reserving all masks produced there for use within China

            1. Good point, Fumbles. And I would like to see a graph of the number of confirmed case and of those, the number who have recovered with no problems. Somehow we never hear about those cases except for anecdotal ones, like the 95 year old guy.

        2. Cash talks, everyone else walks.

          Or as Vladimir Iliych Lenin said: The Capitalists will sell us the the rope with which we will hang them.

          3M is more interested in fast cash than any particular country.

    2. Florida division of emergency management? Isn’t Florida one of the states that were not even insisting on safe distancing, eliminating events that gathered crowds, had spring break celebrants crowding the beaches? Some nerve that guy has imo.

      Hard to forget that the Pres was calling for part time by Easter. Others were getting serious long time ago. People need to do the smart thing especially when their government isn’t able or willing.

      1. There is a tendency to be the Monday morinng quarterback….and to criticize or blame govt for everything. Seems some people think the govt knew something that they were not telling us. Everyone, me included, was caught off guard….esp. the govt in NYC. There was never the perfect crystal ball, no matter which chamber held it. We need unity today…compassion and love. And I need to know which garlic powder to buy!

        1. And I need to know which garlic powder to buy!
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          Bob, I suspect your problem for not getting an answer is because most of us have never looked deeply into different brands of garlic. Personally, I buy from my grocer and look for a brand name that I trust.

          I personally recently bought a brand named Hill Country. It is a store brand for HEB grocery stores, a regional chain here in Texas. I trust them, but I bet a brand like McCormicks would do just as well.

          If you are looking for a gourmet brand, I’ll bet you could find that on Amazon.

          Hope that helps.

          1. I am now using a garlic press daily on a small clove of garlic, letting it sit 10mins and then covering with some raw honey and swallowing. I follow with another tsp of raw honey. I feel fresh is best and even tho it probably isn’t a cure of co-vid it does wonders for the immune system and I will be stronger.

  2. I believe that garlic and onions, especially red onions are natural antibiotics. And so, in this preventative time, I am using both daily. I use raw, cooked, allium pills, etc. But mostly I cook with the frozen garlic cubes from Dorot (made in Israel) that I buy from Trader Joes’s. I wonder if frozen garlic is a good choice. Hope so !

  3. Ever try making raw fresh garlic juice yourself? A great way to not only clear out your sinuses but to also clear out the entire house for an hour or more!

  4. Thank you. Although garlic will not stop Covid-19, it along with other spices, vegetables, and fruit address the underlying health issues that worsen the outcome from infection.

    1. Robert,

      Since my coworker tested positive, I finally bit the bullet and added in some antiviral supplements.

      I eat the foods. Like broccoli and garlic and mushrooms already, but I have various beta glucans and lysine and liposomal Vitamin c and oregano oil, etc.

      I really do go overboard in prepping, but there was only one bottle left of each of the things I went looking for.

      1. I have turmeric and I even bought PQQ for the Q.

        Waste of money probably but I know my state is a hotspot and I was exposed and the vitamin shops are running out and hospitals aren’t taking symptomatic people until a certain point. Even tests can’t be done until it is too late.

        MedCram said to build up immunity so I added things in.

        I eat oranges and blackberries and red peppers, but my nose is running and it is either a first symptom or an allergy or nothing at all.

  5. I once started the water in my bathtub, left the room and became interested and totally locked in on something else. Finally remembered the bathtub… as it had already started running over. ‘-)

    Anyway, I water vacced the excess water from the carpet and sprinkled garlic powder on the carpet. I few days later I dry vacuumed the carpet and it was as good as new… never soured or rotted or anything.

    Oh, and as for onions, cut one and leave it out to be exposed to the air. My experience, even if left in the fridge, is the exposed onion will have black specks on the exposed part.

    I don’t know for sure what the black specks actually are, but I don’t want to eat them. ‘-)

    1. Lonie,

      The only thing I would mention is the subfloor.

      When I was caretaking, two of the relatives flooded the bathroom out into the hall and when I did renovations, it turned out that the old house had a very thin, and very puny subfloor. We had tile on the bathroom floor and I thought it might have protected the subfloor but nope.

      We had the same thing under the fridge in the kitchen. That leaked briefly and when we pulled up the subfloor it was a squishy mess and it was not a thick subfloor either. Not good.

      I know that you aren’t using your money that way, but just pay attention.

      1. The only thing I would mention is the subfloor.
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        Good point Deb. But not applicable in my case as my house sits on a concrete slab. ‘-)

  6. This is some great information teased out from garlic and onions.

    But from what I’ve learned from other sources and approaches… controlling ones platelets to the point where they do their necessary work of helping heal as opposed to overdoing that work by drawing cholesterol to a minor insult to an artery to build up as plaque, is of extreme importance to circulatory health.

    My understanding is this is part of the reason, along with blood thinning, for the so-called aspirin regimen. But of course aspirin have unwanted side effects.

    For me, the solution is to go back to the beginnings of aspirin. That is, the salicin/acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin) connection… white willow bark.

    I can’t find the link offhand, but I’ve read before that white willow bark helps protect arteries by holding down the platelet response to an arterial insult. That is, there is no build-up of platelets for passing cholesterol to latch on to, causing clogged arteries.

    I’ve been taking white willow bark for a number of years now, with no problems from doing so that I’m aware of. By the same token I can’t absolutely say there have been benefits from doing so, but lab results are o.k.

    There’s also supposed to be an analgesic property from taking willow bark, but even though I may be getting a benefit from that part of it, I don’t take it for that.

    It’s just something I take at night, and sometimes during the day if I think to do so.

      1. Yes, Dr J, I’m aware.

        But like I said before, I’m an instant gratification kinda guy. The white willow bark pills satisfy that need.

        Not only that, but the pills give me that measured amount that foods would require a lot of testing and measuring to achieve for a regimen.

          1. Seems like an instant gratification kinda guy needs a shorthand.

            Hmmm, something quick and to the point.
            ———————————————————————-
            ‘-) … how about in-grat … ’cause most instant gratifiers are ingrates for the most part. ‘-)

  7. Great video.

    I love my raw garlic. Squash it…leave it for 10 minutes…..eat it slowly and let it do its thing.

    However, I have that niggling suspicion (probably unfounded) that the temporary burn you get on the inside of your mouth and tongue might be damaging the sensitive lining of the mouth.

    Anyone know?

    1. So powdered garlic brings us all these benefits, but what about raw onions vs. powdered onion? I have never been able to find out if it is also as beneficial.

    2. Greg, your post reminds me of how I once ate raw garlic… that is, I would slice it across the blade of a large butcher knife and let it rest on the knife for a while. Then I would dump it into a crystal cup (from a punch bowl set) filled with apple sauce. I didn’t really chew the garlic slices but just slid them down the throat on a spoonful of apple sauce.

      This could be a way of protecting the mouth and tongue?

  8. Thanks Lonie. Yes a bit of apple sauce would ease the burn.

    But the thing is I like that burning feeling and I just need someone to confirm or reassure me that it’s doing no harm.

  9. There is a site for how to disinfect masks and there wasn’t a perfect answer.

    It was heat/humidity for long enough.

    UVC light. They said that it can cause the mask to breakdown over time.

    The other way was a hydrogen peroxide method.

    They didn’t mention chlorine dioxide which surprised me.

    I know that they are doing it for medical people, but lots of people are wearing masks.

    I just sent my mask to my father and he and I talked about it and his disinfection will be not wearing it for 3 days in between.

    He is older than I am and didn’t plan ahead.

    I will figure other things out.

    1. I have a few boxes of paper masks from when my grandmother had MRSA but the respirator mask is so comfortable.

      Oh well, I don’t need to go places except work. I just liked having it.

      1. In order to see out of it, I plan to cut holes in a green flannel pillowcase. And then I plan to wear it on the bus to the supermarket. I may or may not wear a cap atop.

        Or would that be a waste of a perfectly good pillowcase? :-)

        1. YR, about your comment “In order to see out of it, I plan to cut holes in a green flannel pillowcase. And then I plan to wear it on the bus … ”

          Uh-oh, hope you’re not arrested for planning to rob a bank ;-)

    2. Deb, About your comments: “I just sent my mask to my father … ” and “He is older than I am ….”

      Hmm, astute observation!

      (Actually, I guess he could be your step-father?)

      Sorry, couldn’t resist pointing that out. Got a lot of time on my hands now that I’m cooped up in my house!

        1. Laughing.

          Yes.

          My real father is older than I am.

          But if I didn’t do that part of the math, I might not have gone over to the risk of death going up with each ten years age increase.

          I mentally sometimes need to talk myself through how to make the right decision.

          It was “my father is at risk” versus “Wow, I am so happy that we got respirators for our workers before this happened and I feel so much safer wearing one and this is so comfortable, from now on, I won’t ever buy the paper masks.”

          I could add in the fact that I asked him to prepare for months plural and he kept making fun of me until people fled NY to his neighborhood, but that would definitely not be a Christian thinking process.

        1. Barb,

          That is the type of information that needs to get out.

          THAT would change behaviors.

          They are talking nondiabetic fitness instructors all under age 50.

          I wonder if they are letting the older people die.

          A nursing home in one of the states near me had 11 people die all close together.

          What I know is that when my grandmother was elderly, the doctors really pushed to put her on Morphine even though she said that she wasn’t in pain and she said that she was afraid of dying and cried out, “I’m not dead yet.” but they said, “She has dementia and doesn’t know what she wants” and they screamed at us when we put her on a ventilator and she was only on for a few hours and it was mostly to get the antibiotics in her for her pneumonia. It didn’t bother my grandmother being on it at all, but boy the people screamed at us saying, “She is 92, do you want her to live forever?” Honestly, we did take her off and wished we had waited a day or two, but either way, they told us, “Put her on Morphine, that will kill her faster.” and, yes, they used the word “kill” and they said that the patches would dehydrate her and if she asks for something to drink, don’t give her anything and just spray her mouth. Don’t give her ice chips. They said that the Ativan or whatever that third drug was would take away her will to breathe. She sat up off the bed looking at the food trays going to everybody else. And she laughed when I said that when I took her home she could have anything she wants. I stood in a room with 10 highly authoritative doctors yelling at me and asking, “What are your goals?” and saying, “Is this about you or about her?” and when I said that I was trying to be attentive to her and listen to her, we would start around the logic block again and they recommended that I post a letter saying that ambulances shouldn’t take her to the hospital on my refrigerator, and I said, “And if she asks to go to the hospital and wants antibiotics again, am I going to not do it because I posted that on the refrigerator?”

          Well, she came home and talked my ear off and sang Christmas music with the Hallmark channel and asked for 9 glasses of apple cider and for eggnog. All that and there wasn’t a pandemic or a full ICU.

          I can’t even imagine how much the medical people will abuse the family members into killing their elderly people faster.

          1. I tried to read what I wrote and I know I write how I link.

            Long-winded and in no particular order.

            The short story is that doctors highly push people into the end of life process whether they want to go there or not. I have seen it with 3 relatives and my mother was so mad at them when they pushed her there and so was my grandmother. With my uncle, it was more that he had been overmedicated to begin with and they thought that meant it was time to speed things up and that was my fault. I had gone to get longer lasting anxiety meds and the visiting nurses kept disregarding me saying that he wasn’t supposed to get both the long-lasting and old ones at the same time. It was so hard because every time I would get him off the Morphine for a half-day he would be eating and talking and then I would go home and they would knock him unconscious with the Morphine again.

            Anyway, they will kill elderly people rather than trying to save them. That is what I predict because that is what they already tend to do.

            1. What I also know is that every person over 80 that I know would volunteer to die to make room for ventilators for the young people.

              I say that because that will be part of the answer.

              1. Deb, the survival rate of people on ventilators is very poor. And if they do manage to survive, they can suffer lasting lung damage. Did you watch the video I posted with the Welsh ICU doctor? They are doing such a great job.

              2. OK, I went back to get the time stamp, it’s around 3:2 min where the discussion starts about how surprised the doctors were re age of patients. They were led to believe older people would have difficulty, and that isn’t what they have seen so far. Their regular ICU is filled beyond capacity but they have other rooms set up and ready to go. And when those are filled, they will expand more.
                Sounds like they are really doing their very best for everyone in coping with a very nasty disease.

                You have endured horrific circumstances in your life Deb, and I’m really sorry to hear it. I did not mean to upset you with my posting the video. I had hoped that people (in general) would really take the matter seriously and stay home, wash their hands, disinfect their homes!

                I read that there are still religious groups getting together in States like Texas and Florida. I find the mindset incomprehensible. If a pastor did that here there would be a community uprising.

                1. Barb,

                  Yes, and in Florida and Arizona they have decided that golf is essential.

                  It is so upsetting.

                  And, no, you didn’t upset me.

                  I know that it sounds horrific, but after we left the hospital, my grandmother and I celebrated Christmas for the next 4 months and held hands and watched Hallmark movies and sang Christmas carols and she drank eggnog and apple cider and milkshakes.

                  It was seriously the best 3extended Christmas I can even imagine.

                  We had celebrated Christmas from October through past Valentine’s Day the year before. Maybe longer because I know that I took a photo of a Poinsetta and an Easter Lily together.

                  Honestly, the same thing when my uncle was dying. We just had month after month after month of sweet fellowship together. Me being responsible for him being overmedicated and him dying earlier broke my heart. But it was a good idea. It just needed a doctor to talk to the visiting nurses and tell them “This is only a test to see which one works better.”

                  Still, each of my loved ones I got one last Thanksgiving, one last Christmas, one last New Years, one last Valentines Day and they each were just contented, happy people who weren’t trying to die.

                  I did have one aunt who did the trying to die thing, but even with her, we had a special family 6 hour gathering and she talked and laughed the whole time and didn’t say, “I have already stopped eating” but did say that she expected to die two days later and she was so strong and so animated and had just gotten up on a ladder and cleaned ice out of the gutters a few days before so I didn’t believe her, but no water, no food, patches to dehydrate you make it happen faster.

                  Other than the ones who died young, the deaths have all been magnificent.

                  1. Wow, Deb. You are a very kind person. I wish I had a relative like you! Your relatives are very fortunate to have you around.

            2. Anyway, they will kill elderly people rather than trying to save them. That is what I predict because that is what they already tend to do.
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              Years ago my mother fell while staying with my sister and had an operation on her broken hip. My sister insisted me and my 3 brothers stay with her in the hospital on different days and later each to visit her in the nursing home.

              She was in the hospital and nursing home where my sister lived and she spent the most time with her. It was a 70 mile drive individually each way for 3 of us and only about a 40 mile round-trip for one brother.

              But my sister drove home the point that the more visitors she had, the more respect and better treatment she received from staff.

          2. My husband was in hospice. He went in fully functional, could walk, no pain. Early the next morning I went to see him. He was tied to the bed, on a catheter, and unconscious. He was on morphine. I think they “hurry up” the death process to make room for more patients.

      1. That’s fascinating but counter to all the information we have seen previously about old age, diabetes, high blood pressure and other co-morbiditis being risk factors.

        Re young fitness instructors, I was under the impression that many of them follow the Crossfit movement and its attendant low carb/keto dietary philosophy. If that’s the case here, the individual concerned might be physically fit but metabolically at risk.

        There was an interesting study back in 2016 that suggested that fasting (which results in ketones instead of glucose being used for fuel) was associated with poorer survival in viral infections – but increased survival in bacterial infections. It was only a mice study though. However, it does raise the possibility that keto diets might raise covid-19 mortality risk. That said, I don’t think that Gwent is keto diet ground zero. Nevertheless, it would be interesting to see if there is any link between diet and covid-19. especially since the internet is already beginning to be clogged with claims that keto diets will reduce covid-19 risk.
        https://news.yale.edu/2016/09/08/listening-body-study-examines-effects-fasting-infections

        1. Fumbles, I have been watching other interviews with icu doctors, though it pains me to do so. This is like a horror movie. Doctors report slightly different demographics depending on what country they are in, or maybe just according to the place and time of the moment. It will take many years to sift through it all I imagine. So far, I have seen doctors say average age 60 years (ie proving to be younger than what they initially were expecting). Suffice to say no one group gets a free pass.

          Anyway, ty for your link. I was confused on whether we are supposed to eat or not by the end of it though. If we starve a fever (which is a virus) for some days, then does that not form ketones? I had the impression the authors gave credit to body to seek out what nourishment it requires to heal.

          1. Thanks Barb. The old adage is ‘starve a fever, feed a cold’ Colds are definitely viral and fevers were usually the result of bacterial infections at least when the phrase was first coined.

            I don’t think the authors were giving advice. They were just exploring ideas. It’s even more complicated because pneumonia can be caused by either bacterial or viral infection (sometimes by fungi). Ditto for fevers. Perhaps they were implying that unless we know for sure whether we have a bacterial or viral infection, we might do worse than to listen to our body.

  10. LOL the ‘in vitro’ onion study at the end of the video got me. I did pucker a little. More proof that cohort studies are king!

  11. I also thought the political polls with 86.2% of Republicans approving of how Trump is currently handling this and 19.8% of Democrats approving how Trump is currently handling this is pretty amazing and maybe disappointing to me.

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/coronavirus-polls/

    At a local level, most of the Republicans finally approve of our Democratic governor’s performance and I feel like the Press and it being an election year stopped the USA from coming together to get things done and that really sucks.

  12. Just heard a family friend died today from COVID-19. Age 56, no underlying issues at all.

    Said that the hospital sent him home after being on a ventilator.

    They had said that he was getting better, but he went home and die.

  13. That was my first COVID-19 death within my circle. I know that we live in a hotspot area and there will likely be more.

    I ordered the 3 layer quilted masks and I will probably double them.

    I have never seen my brother be so serious about anything.

  14. My brother just called again.

    He isn’t sure whether he was exposed through that family or through his Amazon delivery family member.

    Monday would be the end of my quarantine but I have to start over.

    Plus, the president of one of the companies we deliver to tested positive.

    All that said, sorry for posting too many COVID posts.

    I will try to tone it down.

  15. The information in this video is very important but I had to watch it 3 times to figure out what the heck was being said. On round 3 I decided to actually read the video instead of listening to it. AH-HA! There was some kind of secret code that was actually addressing the effect of raw/cooked alliums on platelet aggregation. Usually these videos are very clear. Not this one. But I got the message. Eat raw garlic everyday.

      1. Is John writing a book about the John for people to read in the John and what will John think about it?

        Is what my mind heard.

        1. “….and what will John think about it?”
          – – – – –

          As long as they don’t use it for terlit paper, he’d probably be delighted. If it ever gets published.

    1. Fumbles, YR, When I hear that grains are a super-food, I keep recalling the evidence presented in the research paper at the link below.

      Sure nuf, the evidence shows that whole grains beat out every other food group including beans for the most significant food group that lowers the risk of all-cause mortality.

      (See fig 2 in the paper for the graphs of the food groups. The graphs are in very small print, so you have download it, then magnify it with your computer!)

      https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/105/6/1462/4569801

      As Dr McDougall is fond of saying, the Gladiators of ancient Rome weren’t called “The Barley Men” for nothing :-)

        1. Bob, you had me at *making videos* as that is something I have interest in.

          You somewhat lost me with the charged imaging of some of the content.

          But as far as production values go, very nice. One problem I had was around 1:28 when the sound got a little loud and distorted on my viewing system. But I went back and lowered the sound levels and when it reached the aforementioned mark the sound didn’t become distorted, just louder.

          And though the “Deep Throat” segment was well acted, I thought the set-up could have had the guy disguised and even have his voice changed for secrecy… day for night might have been a good way to shoot the scene as well.

          And while the content didn’t push any of my buttons, I think a young and especially a very young audience could be moved to action… I just hope they know the boundaries for action and aren’t moved to do anything foolish or violent.

          It’s good that the young can be moved to change the world, but they generally are single-minded about change. We need grown-ups to guide the change in an orderly fashion.

          I don’t want to go through the ’60s again. ‘-)

          1. Lonie, thanks and indeed the videos have a teenage audience in mind…and a low budget. More of these can be seen at wwwlhealthspanfoundation.org Including one that features Dr. Greger in the primary role. Thanks, Bob

      1. “…..whole grains beat out every other food group including beans…”
        – – – –

        Good, ’cause I like whole grains a lot better than beans. Although, I’ll eat the little devils, including lentils, as I know they’re good for us. And I’ll never give up my trust nothing-added peanut butter every day!

        1. YR, Yes, it’s interesting that the data for whole grains shows that the mortality risk just keeps going down the more you eat. Whereas for some of the other good foods, like nuts, vegetables, fruits, etc., the risk either levels off or actually goes up after eating a certain quantity. And of course, for some foods (red meat, processed meat, sugar drinks), the risk goes up no matter how much you eat.

          Sounds like you have a good balance!

  16. It might be because I have decided to go out and look for toilet paper to have extra at work.

    They are projecting our peak cases will be the end of May and I am not so sure there will be toilet paper by then, but it is rumored that people who arrive first thing in the morning find it.

  17. It isn’t easy to do the logic about whether to search for toilet paper now or wait a few weeks knowing that the peak will be then.

  18. Hello

    I’m just going to post this here again because my post is also about something that would inhibit platelet aggregation.

    But it’s also about something else, I like wholism in nutrition but I also like some realism. If a company can invent some rice that has higher vitamin A content it could save thousands of lives in certain countries. But there is a strong bias against such things in the wfpb community, also in my favorite doctor’s work. This was posted here https://nutritionfacts.org/2018/05/24/resveratrol-supplements-are-finally-put-to-the-test/#comment-600416 I’ll just paste it here again.

    Just had to get this off my chest, I hope you don’t mind. I think there’s sometimes room for improving upon nature and the ease of supplementation in some cases could be the difference between people getting the benefits or not… even when bothering to consumea daily wfpb and daily dozen.

    ————————————————————————–
    (the blog was about quercetin supplementation, but I touch on a supplement for platelet aggregation too).

    ->

    Doctor Greger is quoting a lot of old research in this piece. The discredited scientists report was published and concerns a 9 whole years ago. (2011).

    I’m not going to good mouth this as a supplement but I do want to say that supplementation, and certainly a phytochemical would not be congruent with doctor Greger’s philosophy on nutrition and wholism even if it ever was shown beneficial to begin with. For example, there is a tablet with fytochemicals from tomato seeds that works like an aspirin without ill effect, I think it is called fruitflow. If the tomato seeds extract (DSM produces it) works you don’t hear Dr. G mention anything about it ever, no he would rather talk about consuming 6 whole tomatoes every day in some disgusting V8 drink, try doing that every single day. The tablet is standardized, easy to use, reliable. We deserve such information but we’re not getting it because it’s against Michael Gregor’s philosopical rhetoric…

    Same with standardized sulphoraphane supplements, certainly from companies that are used in clinical trials or advised by experts in the field. There’s people bothering with unreliable quantities in some random broccoli bought at the store or even worse, putting freaking mustard seed over frozen broccoli, the taste is vile and disgusting, it requires half a freaking teaspoon per 100 grams. Who’s going to bother with this 3 times a week?? But he never mentions the supplement, because it’s against his personal ethos.

    I’m not an expert so unfortunately, it’s difficult to rebut his article, but after following his work for years now, I certainly have seen this again and again. Don’t get me wrong he really is the best there is, but this is just one part of it that I’m not very fond about.

    I’ll just leave these comments by someone other then me, no idea wether it is legit, this should be Dr. G’s work if he was without bias one could actually believe him. I’ll also post a more recent review.
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    Recently, a study by Lasse Cliemann and colleagues suggested that high doses of resveratrol (250 mg/day) may blunt the beneficial effects of exercise. The publication garnered a lot of media attention, with different outlets creating their own spin on the topic. For another perspective, we have asked various professionals for their views on the study.

    There are many debates such as this one that should continue to take place in the nutrient/nutraceutical research. Perhaps it is a cultural bias that has us assuming “more is better.” Perhaps it is a multibillion-dollar supplement industry with a vested interest in perpetuating this bias. We now know that minute quantities of reactive oxygen species (ROS) are essential to life, and that high levels are detrimental. The concept that nutrients also have doses that are beneficial, beyond which they are detrimental, is in keeping with the idea that optimal physiological function is a balance within the cells and the organism as a whole. Practitioners of many ancient medicines around the world understand this concept; the symbolic yin/yang is familiar to most Westerners as well. I look forward to clarification of natural agents and their optimal doses for physiological benefit. I fully expect that we will learn that each has an elusive “sweet spot dosage,” and that biochemical individuality will keep that “sweet spot dosage” elusive for quite some time.
    —Tina Kaczor, ND, FABNO
    The fact that low levels of ROS play an important role in promoting health represents a fundamental change in biological understanding.

    Original Study
    Gliemann L, Schmidt JF, Olesen J, et al. Resveratrol blunts the positive effects of exercise training on cardiovascular health in aged men. J Physiol. 2013 Aug 19. [Epub ahead of print]. Click here for full text.
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    The revieuw.

    Wiciński, M., Leis, K., Szyperski, P., Węclewicz, M. M., Mazur, E., & Pawlak-Osińska, K. (2018). Impact of resveratrol on exercise performance: A review. Science & Sports. ADM [doi:10.1016/j.scispo.2018.02.010]

    1. i don’t know why you are singling out Greger on this issue.

      I am not aware of any reputable health authority anywhere in the world that recommends people take supplements for general health. This is because the evidence of benefits is weak and/or largely funded by or even conducted by industry. The lack of long term safety studies is also an issue.

      The only one I am aware of that comes close is the US National Institutes of Health which recommends that all people over 50 take a B12 supplement. Some people even regard Greger as a supplement pusher because he recommends people take B12, marine omega 3, vitamin D, iodine and (for Northern Europeans) selenium supplements. Arguing that he is biased against supplements, when he actually recommends that people take selected supplements, makes no sense. As far as I can tell, he recommends supplements when the balance of evidence shows they are beneficial. He doesn’t recommend supplements when the evidence isn’t there or is doubtful.

      Accusing Greger of bias because he doesn’t give more weight to industry funded studies and marketing hype, and doesn’t ignore mainstream scientific assessments, seems a bit much. I expect that sort of thing from people like Lonie but surely you recognise that he actually does recommend that people take certain supplements?

      https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/12/dr-gregers-2011-optimum-nutrition-recommendations/

  19. Dr. G often says the best vegetable is the one that you actually eat.

    Well the best health benefit, is the health benefit that you actually receive.

    So how about people popping a SF supplement? Sure I’m eating my tasty how not to die Mac & cheese once a week but I doubt that it contains the optimal SF dose. I’m lucky to have a shop that sells broccoli sprouts that I can dose perfectly three times a week in a smoothie but not everyone is this fortunate, tell them about the pill. They have a right to know and the right to have the health benefit.

    Dr. is a nutrition nut (pun intended) , he cuts his fresh broccoli every morning, he probably waits 10 minutes after cutting his onions and garlic, he probably is comfortable drinking the DIY green/dark brown V8 each day, but let’s be honest here. Not everyone sees the entire matrix when looking at an apple and not everyone has these amounts of time. If there are supplements that offer the benefit at least include them as an option. This is chemistry and pharmacology too, not just nutrition and gastronomy.

    1. If there are supplements that offer the benefit at least include them as an option. This is chemistry and pharmacology too, not just nutrition and gastronomy.
      ———————————————————————————————————
      I share your viewpoint.

      I get it that this is an agenda driven site, not a fair and balanced one… so I view each video or post through my own filters.

      However, I have come to understand that many here hang on the DR’s every word, whether written or spoken, as being pure gold. Based on the *evidence* provided here, they may be doing right by following his advice to the letter… for them anyway.

      I do find a nugget here now and then that is useful to me. But when I come across something that I think could be helpful to others who like me, are amenable to including another approach… I post.

      Thankfully while the word handed down from the mountain is agenda driven… the comments section allows different points of view to be voiced. ‘-)

      1. “…..the comments section allows different points of view to be voiced. ‘-)”
        – – – – –

        I”LL say it does! “Enemies” might be made, but WTF! :-)

        1. Making the internet rounds: :-)

          “Kinda starting to understand why pets try to run out of the house when the front door opens.”
          – – – –

          “I miss the day when we were terrified of Romaine lettuce.”
          – – – – –

          “Publix and other Florida supermarkets has special early morning hours just for people 60 and over. The other 10 people in the state are thrilled to have the stores to themselves the rest of the day.”
          – – — – –
          “I see a gap in your resume. What were you doing in 2020?
          “Looking for toilet paper.”
          – – – –
          “I am excited that the phrase ‘get the fuck away from me’ is no longer rude but a public service announcement.”
          – – – –
          “Can’t wait until tomorrow. I have another big day of hand washing and looking out the window planned.”
          – – – – –
          “Half of us are gonna come out of the quarantine as amazing cooks and the other half are gonna come out with a drinking problem. No in between.”

          1. Great list, YR. Here are a few more:

            Day 6 of the quarantine: getting ready to take out the garbage … so excited – can’t decide what to wear.
            __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            You thought dogs were hard to train … Look at all the humans who can’t sit and stay.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Nine months from now, I better not see … just born: Ko’Rona Vyress Smith, 6 lbs, 5 oz.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            This is the longest something made in China has lasted!
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Imagine surviving all that unprotected sex just to die of an unprotected handshake.

              1. “The BBC – by John Cleese.
                ANNOUNCEMENT

                The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent virus threat and have therefore raised their threat level from “Miffed” to “Peeved.”.Soon, though, level may be raised yet again to “Irritated” or even “A Bit Cross.”
                The English have not been “A Bit Cross” since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out.
                The virus has been re-categorized from “Tiresome” to “A Bloody Nuisance.”.
                The last time the British issued a “Bloody Nuisance” warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

                The Scots have raised their threat level from “Pissed Off” to “Let’s Get the Bastard.”.
                They don’t have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

                The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its alert level from “Run” to “Hide.”.
                The only two higher levels in France are “Collaborate” and “Surrender.”
                The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France’s white flag factory, effectively paralyzing the country’s military capability.

                Italy has increased the alert level from “Shout Loudly and Excitedly” to “Elaborate Military Posturing.”
                Two more levels remain: “Ineffective Combat Operations” and “Change Sides.”

                The Germans have increased their alert state from “Disdainful Arrogance” to “Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs.” They also have two higher levels: “Invade a Neighbor” and “Lose.”

                Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

                The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy.
                These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

                Australia, meanwhile, has raised its alert level from “No worries” to “She’ll be alright, Mate.”
                Two more escalation levels remain: “Crikey! I think we’ll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!” and “The barbie is cancelled.”. So far, no situation has ever warranted use of the final escalation level.

                The Russians have said “It’s not us”

                1. Hah, hah, haaaah, hah, haaah.

                  As Darwin said, that was hilarious. Just wondering if anyone not familiar with 20th Century history gets it. There’s a lot of WWII reference.

                  ‘-) ‘-) ‘-)

      2. Greger supports his statements with evidence. All I’ve ever seen from you is your opinion, vague unsupported criticisms like these and the occasional links to papers by people or organisations with a financial interest in a particular product.

        It’s always nice to see different opinions Lonie but it would be even nicer if there were some specific criticisms and hard facts to back them up.

        1. Apoligies Tom… no time to trade barbs (no offense Barb ‘-) with you. Gotta find out more about Nitric Oxide vs Covid-19.

      3. Dr Greger does not expect people to follow the advice to the letter. That’s why there is a daily dozen challenge. The idea is that improvement in diet is a process. Dr Greger himself has said that he can’t follow his own daily dozen when traveling.

        What Dr Greger does have is method. With adherence to a well regulated method, any hypothetical agenda becomes reduced in importance. So the citations are listed with his video presentation for your examination.

        Of course different people have different opinions. Some people just support their opinions more.

    2. Netgogate,

      Dr Greger did do a video on how much sulforaphane was in the supplements and it wasn’t enough.

      Almost none.

      I have switched to broccoli microgreens from broccoli sprouts mainly because I really like them and I can put them in anything at the end.

      I find the sprouts harder to eat because are so tangled together.

      I have tried to look up how much sulforaphane is in the microgreens versus the sprouts but either way, I like the microgreens very much and I end up eating them every day with some medicinal mushrooms and pomegranate seeds and a no-oil ginger/sesame dressing.

      Eventually, I think it will be broccoli microgreens that I try to grow versus the sprouts. Sorry sprouts. I know that they really, really, really, really helped my brain, but I just never liked the whole process of eating them. I ended up with a torrid love affair with the microgreens and I haven’t gone back.

      I think I switched when the revelation that buying pre-chopped vegetables took the power away from the vegetables video. Yes, when onions lost their power, my salad changed. Plus, I wasn’t losing weight and microgreens are smaller and that meant less of the salad dressing.

  20. Another example are certain cacao supplements.

    Both Mars and Callebaut have invested millions in research for more than a decade to find the best way to extract those benefits from cacao beans, then took the effort to get the benefits proven in clinical trials. And nobody knows about them, we should applaud these companies in our WFPB community and on Nutritionfacts because these products and companies are the ones that actually did the right thing, you know according to our standards “nothing bad added, nothing good taken away…”.

    Maybe even better in some cases, instead of some random shop with cacao that has probably suffered countless processing without you being able to see it, how about getting these benefits in a nice standardized fashion in a guaranteed way. (unfortunate I cannot take them because it produces acne but I would certainly want to have these benefits daily if I could).

    Certainly food is the basis, but supplementation can be the top of the pyramid, sometimes the natural comes at the expense of receiving certain health benefits. There’s no need for this ethos.

    My doc isn’t alone in this regard, some WFPB experts are worse, the Campbells don’t like pills in any form and a McDougall is even averse against a simple vitamin D pill. I’m not saying we have to go towards the opposite end, like Joel Kahn (who is obviously promoting some really obscure things for the money) but somehow an open mind in this spectrum right between the level of a Fuhrman and a Joel Kahn would be nice. As long as the data supports it and one could reasonably assume that the underlying mechanics are legit. We need to have such information so we can choose.

  21. Hello nutritionfacts.org,

    I was suprised that the way to ask questions on the website is to post it under a Video.
    But I do not know under which Video I should have posted my questions, so this is why I randomly coose this.

    1: What about collagen?
    As far as I know there is no collagen in plants (only in meat). And collagen is Vital for the skin, and joints.
    As an athele I think this is important to me.

    2: Whol grain wheat. I heard that bran can be Toxic. I can hold a lot of chemicals, from plant protection products. Etc.
    And the wheat germ is holdig some sort of lectin that can not be digestet by our guts and can led to lesions leaking bowel syndrome.
    Is that true?
    And is it safe to eat Whole grain wheat products?

    Sorry for my weak English but I has to translate some words using Google Translate.

    Kind regards
    Laci

    1. Laci,

      A few of the topics already have videos.

      But you are right. Posting it here gets your topic added to the list.

      It might take a long time for Dr. Greger to get to your topic because the videos are made at least a quarter of a year ahead of time.

      Here is a Lectin video:

      https://nutritionfacts.org/video/are-lectins-in-food-good-or-bad-for-you/

      Here is why Dr. Greger recommends whole grains and he does NOT recommend refined grains.

      I don’t see collagen as a topic and Dr. Axe has a lot of people around me taking it so I would find it interesting, too.

      Harvard University’s preeminent twin nutrition studies—the Nurses’ Health Study and the Health Professionals Follow-Up Study—have so far accumulated nearly three million person-years of data. A 2015 analysis found that people who eat more whole grains tend to live significantly longer lives independent of other measured dietary and lifestyle factors.

      A diet rich in whole grains, for example, may yield the same benefits as taking high blood pressure medications without the adverse side effects commonly associated with antihypertensive drugs, such as electrolyte disturbances in those taking diuretics; increased breast cancer risk for those taking calcium-channel blockers; lethargy and impotence for those on beta blockers; sudden, potentially life-threatening swelling for those taking ACE inhibitors; and an increased risk of serious fall injuries for apparently any class of these blood pressure drugs.

      Indeed, eating whole grains appears to reduce the risk of heart disease, type 2 diabetes, obesity, and stroke. Eating more whole grains could potentially save the lives of more than a million people around the world every year. Take note of the whole, however. While whole grains, such as oats, whole wheat, and brown rice, have been shown to reduce our risk of developing chronic disease, refined grains may actually increase risk.

      People who ate the most whole grains had significantly slower narrowing of two of the most important arteries in our body: the coronary arteries that feed the heart and the carotid arteries that feed our brain. Since atherosclerotic plaque in the arteries is our leading killer, we should not just slow down the process but actually stop or even reverse it altogether, and eating more whole grains, whole vegetables, whole fruits, whole beans, and other whole plant foods can help with that.

      1. As far as collagen,

        I looked up the Cleveland Clinic and they gave a list of what to eat to stimulate collagen and beans and they said you need Vitamin C – which is in plant-food, copper, which is in beans, and zinc, which is in plant food, but it is one that vegans can be low in and that would be the rule to not eat your zinc-containing foods close to drinking coffee. I take zinc occasionally. Like now, during a pandemic. The vegan doctors don’t necessarily agree about whether we need it, but they do say that some vegans test low and Dr. Greger has something on that.

        Somehow, they have found a way to hack together a vegan thing called vegan collagen. No, I don’t fully get how it is vegan, but it says it is.

        https://veganliftz.com/best-vegan-collagen-supplement/

        Also, this site adds seeds and nuts to the beans for collagen production

        https://www.griffinandrow.com/education/lifestyle/nutrition-for-your-skin/wonders-collagen-enhancing-embryonic-foods/

        No matter what, I recommend this video very, very, very highly, and, no, I don’t even remember what it said, except that I gave it an internal standing ovation. I have to watch them many times to get the information into my brain.

        https://nutritionfacts.org/video/are-bcaa-branched-chain-amino-acids-healthy/

        https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-great-protein-fiasco/

        https://nutritionfacts.org/video/do-vegetarians-get-enough-protein/

        1. Hello Deb,

          I really apritiate your answer and time! :)

          As far I could read on the internet I found out that there is a food quality assurance for the wheat also.
          If there are to many on the wheat contamination germ a thin layer is pillet of. I also found some studies decribed som maschines which van be used for this process and how successfully they do this.

          A will read trough the collagen section. :)
          Thank you! :)

    2. It appears that all these questions have been well answered already except for the question on collagen. Collagen is a protein that 99.999% of humans have no problem making in vast quantities from the food we eat. There is no requirement to eat collagen and no unique or essential nutrients in it. The notion that you need to eat collagen is akin to saying “I want to be smarter so I’ll eat brains”. It just doesn’t work that way. Eating a varied plant based diet will supply all the nutrients needed for your body to make all the collagen you need.

    3. Laci

      Those are not statements made by reputable health authorities anywhere in the world. They are statements made by people selling sensational books and products

      Our bodies make all the collagen we need from amino acids. Even if we eat collagen, our bodies break that collagen down into amino acids. We can obtain all the amino acids we need from plants.

      Every health authority in the world from the World Health Organization downwards recommends that we eat more whole grains. And studies show that eating whole grains is associated with a significantly reduced risk of death

      ‘The highest reduction in risk for all-cause mortality in terms of servings could be observed for whole grains: 90 g/d (3 servings/d) was associated with a 21% reduction in risk compared with no consumption of this food group.’
      https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/105/6/1462/4569801

  22. So basically raw form is best and especially if you let it sit for 10minutes after chopping? Also onion soup is good because the after is summer for 3hrs is good…? Did I understand correctly?

    1. Yes, that is one of the more confusing endings.

      The threat of it being bad was erased by the human being studies where he said, “Thankfully, when tested in people, even when onions are dropped in boiling water, fried for ten minutes, and then left to simmer for 30, platelet activation drops within an hour and three hours after onion soup ingestion.”

      So, yes, the threat of bad was erased and you can eat your soup.

      But raw is best.

    2. It appears your question was already answered confirming that yes raw form is best and the onion soup after long cooking is nutritious and healthy for you to eat, so enjoy your soup and have raw onions on salads, sandwiches.

  23. It is comforting being here. It feels like normal life.

    My brother was talking about the man who died from COVID and he was a runner. Someone in shape. Strong. Health-conscious.

    Thought he just had a cold.

    But the second week it became a fight for his life.

  24. In re: inhibiting platelet aggregation…
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    In humans, nitric oxide is naturally generated by 60 trillion cells that line our blood vessels, and by some brain cells as well. It helps regulate blood pressure, engulfs invading toxins, prevents platelets in the blood from forming clots, and signals that food has arrived and that sex is at hand.
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    Did you see it?

    “… engulfs invading toxins …”

    nitric oxide is being trialed as a treatment for Covid-19. The link to the story on Yahoo is below:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/discovery-brought-us-viagra-could-110004919.html

    1. My personal experience has been drinking beet root juice and eating dark chocolate (both nitric oxide producers) for quite a number of years now.

      Going forward, anytime I am going to be around someone I’ll take a drink of the beet root juice and a small square of 100% cacao baking chocolate well before meeting time.

      IIRC, it takes about an hour for the beet juice to create the nitric oxide. I don’t know about the dark chocolate’s time.

      1. Lonie,

        Excellent!

        That is a great contribution!

        Thanks for sharing!

        Do you use the powder beets or raw beets?

        America’s Test Kitchen cooked with beets today and they said, “Wear gloves” and that if you get it on your hands use toothpaste to get it off.

        I do look at the powdered beets every now and then. I guess I have to go through the videos and see if powdered or the peeled ones in the produce aisle count.

        I was eating the beet chips for a while. I wasn’t making my own and they were expensive and some of them were so hard that I was afraid that I would break my teeth.

        1. Do you use the powder beets or raw beets?

          America’s Test Kitchen cooked with beets today and they said, “Wear gloves” and that if you get it on your hands use toothpaste to get it off.
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          Deb, the piece I read years ago talked only about the beet root juice raising nitric oxide, so I’ve stayed with that every since. (I’m guilty of ordering 12 more 32 oz glass bottles just now, so in case this becomes a hot item when word gets around, I ordered the 12 bottle case from Lucky Vitamin. No price gouging on the beet juice from them so far ‘-)

          Another idea when dealing with actual beets is to rub some coconut oil on your hands. The beet color should come right off with a paper towel?

          1. Really interesting Lonie, ty. To have something already prepared stored in the freezer in case I got sick, I made a big pot of borsht soup thick with beets, red cabbage, onion, garlic, tomatoes, dill. I also made roasted veggie kale soup and froze portions of that too.

            1. To have something already prepared stored in the freezer in case I got sick, I made a big pot of borsht soup thick with beets, red cabbage, onion, garlic, tomatoes, dill. I also made roasted veggie kale soup and froze portions of that too.
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              Barb, after reading some of the content from the link below, I think NO gas is the best way to use this tool against Covid-19. I’ll still continue my regimen of beet juice and dark chocolate, but I think the original link I posted suggested the treatment being tested was to use the NO gas as a contact killer of virus:

              “Because NO [gas] is scavenged by hemoglobin (Hb) on diffusing into the blood and is thereby rapidly inactivated, the vasodilatory effect of inhaled NO is limited largely to the lung. … Recent data indicate that inhaled NO can be applied in various diseases. For example, studies suggest that inhaled NO is a safe and effective agent to determine the vasodilatory capacity of the pulmonary vascular bed.”

              The above is from the link below. I got the impression this is in use in hospitals now. ‘-0

              https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000134595.80170.62

  25. When I read the article and got to this sentence:

    “In 2004, researchers at the University of Leuven in Belgium discovered yet another property of nitric oxide: It killed coronaviruses.”

    I got mad that they stopped researching it and that the process takes so long that so many people have died before they got mobilized even though it took months to get here.

    And, no, I am not blaming Trump for the medical process because studies take time.

    My brother has to go to the hospital for his last few immunotherapy study treatments and I will tell you that I have already potentially been exposed to COVID-19 at least 5 times and my brother having to go in now really sucks, but he may not actually be on immunotherapy because it is a double-blind placebo study really does suck. But it would mess up the study to not finish it because it is very close to being finished.

    1. Lucky he got in the trial… he has a 50/50 chance of being on the right side, even if that turns out to be the placebo side. If it’s the other side that wins, well, he has a head start with that.

      I’ve often wondered if a placebo participant is given the drug for free if it is established to be beneficial?

    2. Ozone kills coronaviruses too. So does bleach and a host of other things. Recognising that a substance kills the corona virus isn’t the same thing as knowing about an effective treatment that is safe. It’s no good killing the corona virus if you kill the patient along the way.

      There are risks with using these things
      https://academic.oup.com/toxsci/article/59/1/5/1658774

      As for the trial your brother is on, there have been trials where the patients on the placebo fared better. That’s the point about trials. Nobody knows if the drug is effective or if it has dangerous and/or highly unpleasant side effects.

      Immune checkpoint inhibitor drugs can be spectacularly successful in some case though and I am keeping my fingers crossed for your brother,

      1. Thanks, Tom,

        I agree with you about the risks.

        When I was doing the process of choosing ways to sanitize, I opted against ozone. Honestly, it was probably years of hearing the word “ozone” with “layer” and it just seemed like it just had too many negatives even without researching it.

        UV and steam are my favorite things. I love my Wabi Baby. It is like having a washing machine for everything else.

        I am ending up sanitizing my toothbrush every time I turn around.

        I wonder how I ever got along without having a toothbrush sanitizer and now, I have UV, steam, plus the vinegar.

        Thank you for your crossed fingers for my brother.

        Christians do crossed-hearts, but I do understand the emotion behind crossed-fingers.

        My brother has had symptoms which could either be that he is on the immunotherapy meds or that he is having placebo effects.

        The fact that someone in one study lost their hair when they weren’t really on chemo, I know that the placebo effect is powerful.

        I just really am concerned with my loved ones who have to go into hospitals right now.

        My cousin has to go in 4 to 5 times per week.

        He still has no symptoms, and I am counting down the days.

        I genuinely feel like God has had incredible mercy on my family. Over the past 2 years, we have had 14 or more people have had surgery in my family. Plus, cancer, plus stroke, plus heart attacks. Last fall, my cousin spent 12 weeks in and out of hospitals and nursing homes. Another relative was in a serious car accident. Nobody at all in my family is going through anything right now and none of my friends are in the hospital either.

        Honestly, that is a miracle of good timing and I know that there is no good time for a pandemic, but it sure was merciful timing for us.

    3. Deb, in case you are on a phone and have trouble seeing all the comments, here is what I posted to Barb.
      ——————————————————————————————————————————
      after reading some of the content from the link below, I think NO gas is the best way to use this tool against Covid-19. I’ll still continue my regimen of beet juice and dark chocolate, but I think the original link I posted suggested the treatment being tested was to use the NO gas as a contact killer of virus:

      “Because NO [gas] is scavenged by hemoglobin (Hb) on diffusing into the blood and is thereby rapidly inactivated, the vasodilatory effect of inhaled NO is limited largely to the lung. … Recent data indicate that inhaled NO can be applied in various diseases. For example, studies suggest that inhaled NO is a safe and effective agent to determine the vasodilatory capacity of the pulmonary vascular bed.”

      The above is from the link below. I got the impression this is in use in hospitals now. ‘-0

      https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.CIR.0000134595.80170.62
      ———————————————————————————————————————-
      Deb, I especially wanted you to see this post because as I said, it would seem the hospitals all have the NO gas on hand. If someone you know gets pneumonia, maybe a shot of NO gas would clear their lungs?

  26. I have watched PBS’s polio documentary a few times.

    Back then, this process would have taken 10 years.

    Now, it is all happening at once.

    But it still irritates me that they don’t have a great big pandemic list and that people couldn’t get some of these options.

    If you don’t seek medical care within 4 days of symptoms you can’t get in the studies and it might mean life or death.

    The problem is that, as in the case of the man who died, he didn’t start with a fever, so they didn’t have enough tests and he didn’t receive medical care within 4 days and those are the studies rules.

    Well, this is progressing and doctors are finally getting their masks (and Canada is also getting their masks and they didn’t even have a delay of 2 days so that made me happy.)

    I still don’t understand the whole 3M thing but they really didn’t get involved with helping our country and actually act like they don’t care about the country. When I see Ford Motor and all these other companies and the list of individuals who have been making masks, the one company that everybody buys from didn’t take part in the whole process. They could have become American heroes. I honestly have always bought 3M and if someone else started competing who demonstrated care, I would switch.

    And that isn’t a political statement. I don’t know the political party of the man in Florida who finally went to the press with the problems the states were having getting masks. I just know that the ventilator company posted its plans on the internet so that companies could make their ventilator and save lives. It is more about the heroic part of humanity that might or might not rise up in times like these.

    Every night on television, I have been hearing all of the individuals and companies within our state who have sacrificed. There is a toilet paper movement and a save the restaurants by ordering delivery movement and all of the parties are working together and I haven’t heard one negative syllable, except in the Federal level and they should all stop it right now and try to save lives.

  27. I think it is because hospitals have been desperately trying to buy them themselves and so have the states and the toilet paper companies are saying exactly what they are doing and they are stopping every variety of toilet paper because they can make more if they only make one product and they are stopping the commercial toilet paper for now because of the deep need of the residential people.

    If I were a doctor or a hospital, I would feel like I was in a relationship with 3M.

    Toilet paper is a more fluid relationship and I can use any brand and I did find one package today and it said, “Recycled” and I laugh because I think the word “Recycled” probably stops people from buying toilet paper. Green might be better.

  28. We have been having citizens make masks for doctors and our doctors are testing positive left and right and 3M is going to say that the doctors in Canada may be exposed and die and that Canada might retaliate against us.

    Canada’s response was that they never would rely on another country to supply them something like medical masks and that they will have a million and a half within 48 hours.

    Well, doctors, why are the hospitals relying on one company for something as important as medical masks. This can never happen again.

    Plus, doctors, you need to learn from the preppers and have your own stash.

    Not yet, but when things normalize.

    But nobody in America can rely on 3M and not having competition for something like medical masks is a definition of insanity.

    What if the oxygen companies did that?

  29. Canada didn’t even need the masks. They could get 1.5 million masks from someone else within 48 hours.

    3M was doing some vindictive process probably politically motivated.

    If I could kick them off of our medical masks, I would.

    Let them do every commercial thing they want, but medical masks need to not be this political thing and if they were holding something against certain states because of their political leaning or something like that, which their tone sounded like, then shame on them.

    What I know is that Trump wasn’t saying, “We are working closely with 3M.” He was saying that Ford and Tesla and GM and MyPillow and the whole country would be making masks.

    Something political was happening while doctors are dying and that is something I am calling out online.

  30. There was criticism About not stockpiling enough masks, but the masks in stockpile were rotting so storing masks may be another issue. Is it oxygen that breaks them down? I wonder if they need Mylar or something?

    Either way, stockpiling too many is probably a waste.

    Disinfecting then may be good.

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