Music for Anxiety: Mozart vs. Metal

Music for Anxiety: Mozart vs. Metal
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What physiologic effects does classical music have compared to new age music, grunge rock, techno, and heavy metal?

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The stress-reducing effects of music appear to extend throughout the clinical spectrum even to the critically ill, intubated in an intensive care unit. Those with headphones on their heads playing Mozart cut stress hormones like adrenaline in half, compared to those with headphones playing nothing, resulting in a lower mean arterial blood pressure. But, are all types of music just as relaxing? Researchers compared the effects of Mozart, versus Pearl Jam, versus Enya on normal healthy subjects. What do you think they found?

After listening to Mozart for 15 minutes, people reported a significant reduction in tension. With new age music, they also got a reduction in tension, more relaxation, less hostility, but reports of significant reduction in mental clarity and vigor. And after grunge rock, people said they felt more hostile, tired, sad, and tense, with reductions in caring, relaxation, clarity, and vigor. But these were just subjective measures—asking people how they felt. What about objective measures? Well, we do have data on techno. After 30 minutes of classical music, the stress hormone cortisol significantly dropped. But if instead of listening to Beethoven’s Symphony no. 6, Opera [–sic! Should be Opus] 68, they listened to Cyber Trip’s Techno Shock Techno Magnetiko, stress hormone levels went up. Now, endorphin levels went up too, which, you may think, “Oh that’s nice”—until you realize that endorphins are our body’s natural painkillers, and go up after a variety of aversive stimuli, like getting burned or prodded.

This may just be a function of the tempo, though. People get the same bump in breathing and blood pressure listening to fast classical music, such as Vivaldi’s Presto—as stimulating or even more so than the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

What about heavy metal music? Participants were randomly assigned to self-selected, classical, heavy metal, or silence. Listening to self-selected and classical music produced increased feelings of relaxation, as well as sitting in silence, but not so much for the heavy metal condition. Compared to relaxing and pleasant Renaissance music, exposure to arousing and unpleasant heavy metal caused a heightened amylase response in men. Amylase is an enzyme in our saliva that digests starch, and so when we go into fight or flight mode, we start immediately churning out the enzyme to provide sugars for quick energy. So you get a spike when you go skydiving, or if someone dunks you in near-freezing water, or, if you make a guy listen to heavy metal for ten minutes. With all that extra enzyme, if he’s eating bread while banging his head, he can end up digesting it better.

Metal is more likely to cause the medical community indigestion, though. Although the American Medical Association’s Group on Science and Technology admits there’s no evidence that this music has any deleterious effect on the behavior of adolescents, that doesn’t stop them from suggesting there’s anecdotal evidence that those who identify with such bands as Slayer and Metallica may be at risk for drug abuse or even participation in satanic activities. To which one doctor wrote in reply, that for every teenager who commits suicide or some crime under the influence of heavy metal music, there may be dozens of white-collar criminals engaged in such activities as insider trading, fraud, and corruption. Maybe we should instead be blaming Bach or Barry Manilow.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by Katie Schloer.

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The stress-reducing effects of music appear to extend throughout the clinical spectrum even to the critically ill, intubated in an intensive care unit. Those with headphones on their heads playing Mozart cut stress hormones like adrenaline in half, compared to those with headphones playing nothing, resulting in a lower mean arterial blood pressure. But, are all types of music just as relaxing? Researchers compared the effects of Mozart, versus Pearl Jam, versus Enya on normal healthy subjects. What do you think they found?

After listening to Mozart for 15 minutes, people reported a significant reduction in tension. With new age music, they also got a reduction in tension, more relaxation, less hostility, but reports of significant reduction in mental clarity and vigor. And after grunge rock, people said they felt more hostile, tired, sad, and tense, with reductions in caring, relaxation, clarity, and vigor. But these were just subjective measures—asking people how they felt. What about objective measures? Well, we do have data on techno. After 30 minutes of classical music, the stress hormone cortisol significantly dropped. But if instead of listening to Beethoven’s Symphony no. 6, Opera [–sic! Should be Opus] 68, they listened to Cyber Trip’s Techno Shock Techno Magnetiko, stress hormone levels went up. Now, endorphin levels went up too, which, you may think, “Oh that’s nice”—until you realize that endorphins are our body’s natural painkillers, and go up after a variety of aversive stimuli, like getting burned or prodded.

This may just be a function of the tempo, though. People get the same bump in breathing and blood pressure listening to fast classical music, such as Vivaldi’s Presto—as stimulating or even more so than the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

What about heavy metal music? Participants were randomly assigned to self-selected, classical, heavy metal, or silence. Listening to self-selected and classical music produced increased feelings of relaxation, as well as sitting in silence, but not so much for the heavy metal condition. Compared to relaxing and pleasant Renaissance music, exposure to arousing and unpleasant heavy metal caused a heightened amylase response in men. Amylase is an enzyme in our saliva that digests starch, and so when we go into fight or flight mode, we start immediately churning out the enzyme to provide sugars for quick energy. So you get a spike when you go skydiving, or if someone dunks you in near-freezing water, or, if you make a guy listen to heavy metal for ten minutes. With all that extra enzyme, if he’s eating bread while banging his head, he can end up digesting it better.

Metal is more likely to cause the medical community indigestion, though. Although the American Medical Association’s Group on Science and Technology admits there’s no evidence that this music has any deleterious effect on the behavior of adolescents, that doesn’t stop them from suggesting there’s anecdotal evidence that those who identify with such bands as Slayer and Metallica may be at risk for drug abuse or even participation in satanic activities. To which one doctor wrote in reply, that for every teenager who commits suicide or some crime under the influence of heavy metal music, there may be dozens of white-collar criminals engaged in such activities as insider trading, fraud, and corruption. Maybe we should instead be blaming Bach or Barry Manilow.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by Katie Schloer.

Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.

Images thanks to DaveBleasdale via Flickr.

Doctor's Note

Back by popular demand! In my last such video, Music as Medicine, I asked if this topic was of interest, and the response was overwhelmingly positive, so here you go—another installment! If there are ever subjects you wish I’d cover more, please just leave your suggestions in the comments section below.

What about smells instead of sounds? See:

Then of course there are the boring dietary interventions:

In my next video, I’ll address another dimension of mental health: Plant-Based Diets for Improved Mood and Productivity.

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  1. Endorphin levels going up is part of the appeal/reward of exercise as well, a point completely twisted in the comments to the results of techno.

    Of course this is all moot for a musician-like person who enjoys an extreme spectrum of music, listened to as well as performed (however coarsely). I personally got rid of a ton of stress hormones and BP spikes by turning OFF ALL broadcasts such that no more “news” and advertising or yappy “DJ’s” talking all over the songs I wanted to hear. There is no “tuning out” with out actually turning off for the ADHD.

    But just like “turning off” meat. Most folks won’t have anything to do with “tuning out’. They must be afraid they’ll miss something.

    They won’t.




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  2. Aside from the “self-selecting” study, did any of these take into account personal enjoyment? Some people can’t stand classical but love metal, some people hate metal but enjoy classical. Would that make a difference in how the music affects someone?




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    1. This video just raises so many questions for me. Like what area of music would something like Wardruna fall into? They’re big with metal fans, but follow a classical folk style.




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    2. Great question Tom! This study reminded me of a recent study publicized in June on just that!

      Very interesting video but this recent study showed the opposite with metal: http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/22/listening-heavy-metal-punk-extreme-music-makes-you-calmer-not-angrier-study

      “A study by the University of Queensland, the Australian public research institution in Brisbane, revealed that rather than proving the hypothesis that “extreme music causes anger”, the theory that “extreme music matches and helps to process anger” was supported instead.”




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    3. That’s what immediately came into my head when he mentioned Techno. I love acid techno, i can totally chill out to it no matter how loud it is. If you made me listen to Mozart i’d get well pissed off.

      So it’s all back to subjectivity in the end – essentially.

      I run while listening to acid techno, speeded up to my cadence at 180bpm. If, as they point out, it increases endorphins, so much the better as far as i’m concerned.

      I certainly enjoy my running much more with the speeded up acid techno.




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  3. Some musical genres are not for everyone, you can’t just “test the effects of metal/jazz/techno/etc”. This is like trying designing a study to test the flavor of coriander…




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  4. OFF TOPIC BUT INTERESTING:

    Dr. G or anyone else….what does the science show/prove in regards to Manuka honey for
    its internal and external antibiotic properties? Is this “health food store quackery”, or is there
    actually something to it? I do know that vegans avoid honey, but know a lot of vegetarians
    who use it as a sweetener.




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    1. There does seem to be some research, mainly on wound healing, as I think traditionally it’s been used topically. I’m not sure how that type compared to others, but our video on added sweeteners discus honey and from what I recall it’s not much better than sucrose. Date sugar and molasses appear best.




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      1. Do you consider it vegan and or plant based? In small amounts….delicious, but I have mixed emotions about eating honey, as far as fairness to bees.




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          1. Yes, I sort of agree, but I also have accepted that nori seaweed (and other seaweeds) contain bits of shellfish, thus making seaweed “not vegan.”

            For now I use medjool dates to sweeten, forgoing the honey, but from an anti-bacterial purpose, honey holds some interesting and possibly valid results, as opposed to taken certain pharmaceutical antibiotics.




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          2. The bulk of what is in honey comes from plants (nectar). Bees add small amounts of enzymes to honey. These enzymes are animal proteins. These enzymes contribute to the health benefits of honey (such as the enzyme that produces small amounts of hydrogen peroxide that helps kill germs).




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            1. “In the hive, the bees use their “honey stomachs” to ingest and regurgitate the nectar a number of times until it is partially digested.[11] Invertase synthesized by the bees and digestive acids hydrolyze sucrose to give the same mixture of glucose and fructose. The bees work together as a group with the regurgitation and digestion until the product reaches a desired quality. It is then stored in honeycomb cells. After the final regurgitation, the honeycomb is left unsealed.”

              They need to regurgitate it many times, keep digesting regurgitate, back in.. more digestion, it is ingested and vomited many many times, by thousands of insects.

              (Yuk) :S




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              1. Ha ha! Yes, that is true about the honey stomach. When I was young, we had a neighbor who refused to eat honey because the bees had walked on it, and that is true for comb honey.

                On the other hand, there are some yuk factors with plants. The obvious one is that root crops are grown in dirt that is infested with countless micro-organisms. Above ground, we have insects and larger animals that chew on, spit on, walk on and poop on the vegetables you eat. Insects, like birds, tend to do their pooping while flying.




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        1. Bees are small animals, yes. I’m not sure what’s best? The research seems mixed based on it’s utilization. I see honey as an added sweetener.




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          1. Thanks. And as I mentioned below, for now I use a medjool date to sweeten, forgoing the honey, but I know from the past that honey is darn tasty.

            Interestingly, there are some who believe that while honey does not have B12 in it, it does have some sort of probiotic effect on the gut that allows for B12 production in the human body, and in an area of the body that is not “too low down the pipes” we be utilized.




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      2. My body can only handle small amounts of molasses and date sugar occassionally but is not adversely affected by honey. I am not a vegan I am a whole foods plant based starchivore. Correct me if I’m wrong but it seemed to me that Dr G. picks food items for their antioxidant content only. That is not my only concern/criteria.




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        1. Nope. He talks all about ORAC scales if you’re interested search the site for ORAC values and antioxidants. It’s good you know you’re body and what makes your feel good!




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      3. The most common health reason I hear from customers about why they eat honey is for control of allergies to airborne pollens. Running a close second is dealing with symptoms associated with colds. I believe there was formal research showing that honey performs at least as well as over-the-counter cough medications. I have personal experience using honey on fungal and bacterial skin infections with good results, although it is messy. Compared with topical antibiotic ointments, I believe honey is much less likely to result in drug resistant bacteria. I have seen anecdotal reports of honey clearing up skin-surface MRSA infections. I have also seen reports, but not formal research, that honey out-performs all modern medical treatments for burns.




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    2. I’ve tried some. Barely edible IMO…small amounts OK. For the skin….it’s a sticky mess and feels funny. I use a colloidal silver gel and/or ozonated olive oil…both work much better than drug store triple antibiotics.




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  5. What is the link to news consumption here? It seems to be a major source of anxiety for many. In contrast, we typically expose ourselves to music that we find rewarding. With the news we lack a way to expose ourselves only to the quality articles that truly inform and inspire us, not to mention make us wiser.




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  6. I wasn’t sure where to ask this. There’s a commonly repeated folk remedy for seasonal allergies that involves eating local honey every day. I guess the idea behind it is that by eating honey produced nearby you introduce local pollens into your body in a way that allows your body to recognize it so it won’t be hostile when you breath it. Do you know if there’s any actual science to this? Any studies been done to test the method?




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    1. As a long time SEVERE allergy sufferer, I’m sorry, but the advice to eat local honey to reduce seasonal allergies does not work. I fell for the advertising gimmick, ate tons of honey for at least a year and found out myself it doesn’t work. But then I learned that some pollens are pollinated by bees, and other plants are pollinated by wind. The pollens that a seasonal allergy sufferer are reacting to are pollinated by wind. A patient must be exposed to the specific trigger in order to become desensitized. The best things Ived found for seasonal allergies is a low fat whole foods ORGANIC vegan diet, high anti-oxidants, situating oneself away from allergens ( for me, acacia trees and large wild grassy fields that aren’t mowed when the flowers start to blow). Sugar, alcohol can trigger seasonal allergies if the pollens are there. Air conditioning and air filters can provide quick relief. I do live nearby a large grassy field, sometimes it was mowed at the opportune time, other times not. I was fuming last year, when the city decided to graze cattle on our natural city park. Then allergy season arrived, and I was happily spared the yearly discomfort. Thank-you cows!




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  7. I feel like part of what is missing in the studies may be the musical preference of the person in the test. Anecdotally I personally used heavy metal when doing school work as a way to help me focus on the task at hand. It allowed me to have “white noise” to block out other distractions and I didn’t find myself drawn into the lyrics so I could just focus on the task at hand.




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    1. Indeed.

      Following losing my temper at work, I was sent on a stress management course.
      The trainer thought Mozart’s Clarinet Concerto would be automatically calming …
      I walked right back out of the room. My instrument of torture as a child was the clarinet and the last piece I failed to practice was not the Concerto, but the Quintet – but it was close enough, and quite frankly Mozart DID use too many notes.

      I love a very wide range of music. I listen all day when I’m home, but at different times I enjoy different sorts of music and anything else is likely to annoy – even if it’s music I otherwise enjoy. in fact to me it’s an insult to music.

      The calmest I’ve ever been in my life was probably 3 hours into a rave – to my mind an almost meditative state – though sadly I wasn’t wired up at the time …




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  8. I am a huge fan of Nutrition Facts!!! Thanks for everything you do. Thank you for sharing the knowledge.

    But this video made me laugh. Thanks for that too! If somebody played Bach to me now, I’d become stressed out, annoyed maybe, if somebody played for me Sepultura I’d sit down, relax and simply enjoy it… This study was probably a waste of time if the different tastes those people had were not taken into consideration.




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    1. Glad I’m not the only metal head knee-deep in nutritionfacts.org. It would be nice to know how many metal heads were in the “self-select” group of the referenced study. I know for a fact that there are plenty of classical composers that I can’t stand to listen to, especially if there are choral arrangements, yet on the other hand there are moments when I can feel my blood pressure drop when I finally get my teeth into some good technical death metal.

      The fact that studies like this even try to use “metal” as a catch-all category is hilarious, as it fails to distinguish between metal genres that rely heavily on dissonance (like thrash, brutal death metal, goregrind) and those that borrow technques and riffs from classical composers (neoclassical metal, melodic death metal, etc.)




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    2. Totally agree, music has to resonate with the individual in order to enjoy it. Some people love opera, for me it sets my nerves on edge and makes me want to escape it, and I’ve actually TRIED to appreciate it, and failed miserably! My boys all loved heavy metal, and it was never my fave to say the least, so how can they generalize about “music” when it affects us all so differently?




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    1. I used to listen to music that was designed for brainwave entrainment, particularly when I needed to concentrate on complex problems at work (software development). Different brainwave frequencies are suitable for different activities – e.g. thinking, physical exercise, meditation.




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  9. I absolutely love Dr. Greger and his work, but I had to laugh at the reference to Beethoven Pastoral Symphony, Opera 68. The Op. number seen after musical works stands not for Opera, but for Opus, or “work”. Thanks for the giggle; my anxiety levels were certainly lowered! OK, time to get back to work cataloguing for posterity Barry Manilow’s output….




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    1. Ack! He didn’t dare? I am sure he meant opus it’s written correctly in the transcripts. I’ll let him know so he can re-record that portion. Thanks so much for catching that!




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  10. I definitely don’t think musical genre is the best correlation for behavior. Classical music is definitely not all relaxing, just listen to Christopher Rouse’s piece “Gorgon” for example (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4SlLHTLaLc) There is even plenty of Mozart that I wouldn’t consider relaxing (like the “Dies Irae” from his Requiem.)

    I am a professional classical musician (composer and pianist), and in graduate school I took a class on music aesthetics, which was basically a philosophy class. We talked a lot about this very issue of whether, for example, “sad” music makes a listener feel sad, which at the very least we concluded it is not as simple as that. The thinking that certain types of music can induce certain emotions or qualities in the listener actually goes back to the Greeks, who thought, for example. that music constructed using a certain scale could help someone be a better warrior. The whole class was about philosophy though and it is interesting to see what the science says.

    Also, there is a typo in one of those studies (which Dr. Greger repeated). Beethoven’s Symphony No. 6 is “Opus” 68, not “Opera” 68 (He only wrote a single opera, “Fidelio”.)




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    1. Take the evidence from the movie “Spinal Tap”- when you play D minor, the audience instantly starts weeping.:)

      There are also some types of classical I like and some I don’t. Are Cream and Led Zeppelin heavy metal? Led Zep certainly had their Robert Plant Celtic folklore numbers.

      Some ideas don’t lend well to studies of this type.
      John S




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    1. I learned of that recent documentary (Eat, Fast, Live Longer?) from comments posted here. It is a good show and fasting has been neglected here. I have fasted once since seeing it, and did feel some of the changes. But then I lost all the weight I needed to by simply going WFPB.




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  11. Seems like a classic case of Whitehead’s warning re. misplaced concreteness – the mean/median scores in these tests seem pretty meaningless. How would controls be picked to do a more convincing study ? Classical music lovers listening to heavy metal, heavy metal lovers listening to new age… ? And where are bebop, free jazz, “modern” music (e.g. Stockhausen, Cage’s 4’33”,…), Japanese folk music, Afro-Cuban music,… ? Were people whose preference was listening to any of those, excluded from the study ? Not sure I’d bet my life on any recommendations resulting from these studies.




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  12. I’ve a question about turmeric. I’ve read that if you don’t consume oil with turmeric, it is destroyed in the stomach and the healthful benefits of curcumin/turmeric are not realized. Since Indian cuisine uses a lot of oil in food preparation, where it is especially routine to put the spices in oil before adding them to the dish, could this have been a serendipitous discovery of a means to maximize the benefits of turmeric? What does the science say? If it is true, what do you recommend as an alternative to oil? Thank you!




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      1. Thank you! This is an incredibly interesting topic. I’ve largely eliminated all added oils in my diet (thanks to Dr.s Greger, Esselstyn, and McDougal), but still want to know the best way to incorporate the most bio available turmeric. As usual, it seems keeping it all natural with the whole root is the best–and pepper too.




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  13. Very interesting video but this recent study showed the opposite with metal. Care to comment? http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/jun/22/listening-heavy-metal-punk-extreme-music-makes-you-calmer-not-angrier-study

    “A study by the University of Queensland, the Australian public research institution in Brisbane, revealed that rather than proving the hypothesis that “extreme music causes anger”, the theory that “extreme music matches and helps to process anger” was supported instead.”




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  14. There must be a difference between “active” and “passive” or background listening. I love music and attend many concerts a year. In my teens it was metal and now it’s mostly concert music and opera. I just can’t get enough of it! But my best listening is when I pay attention to every detail of the music — not multi-tasking. Maybe reading the score at the same time to avoid tuning out.

    When you enter the musical world fully you leave your worries behind and you immerse yourself in a different reality, trying to grasp what the composer was trying to say and what it means to you. There are also many musical details of harmony, rhythm, melody and structure to notice… combined with the emotional impact that the music has on you. To me that’s the power of music!




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    1. which one? There are about seven sub-categories pop to mind. I despise one, but like much of the rest. I dig bluegrass and “old” country and have dug up some really good stuff on YT lately. But I cannot stand modern/Nashville sounding country, to name a few sub-categories.

      Or to quote the barkeep in “The Blues Brothers” when asked about types of music:
      We have both kinds: Country _and_ Western.




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      1. I’m with ya Wade, can’t stomach modern country, yet my dad used to play what he considered country on his guitar and I loved the sound. Just a whole different “animal”.




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  15. I get the regular email updates about new videos from Nutrition Facts.

    My comment here is that most if not all of them have images in the body of the email, and my reflex is always to click on the image. Well, in NF the image is unconnected to anything, so it expands up to fill the screen to display the image and I have to mouse over the close the image and then go back to click the link to the actual article/video. This has got me so many times, because most other emails have the images linked to whatever URL object they want to show on the web.

    Just a minor suggestion, meant to be helpful – could you change your email document template so that whatever image you send with the email is linked the same to the video so clicking on the image takes the reader to the same place as clicking on the link? Does that make sense? Thanks.




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  16. So, classical music is to all other music as the vegetarian diet is to all diets? Is that it?

    I’ll buy that. But I wonder if you have to do a song by song comparison because I have
    no doubt there might be a Pearl Jam song that is relaxing, though, not being a big Pearl
    Jam fan, I cannot think of one offhand. I merely have to think about rap or hip-hop
    music for my blood pressure to rise … it is offensive and toxic, well, most of it anyway.
    I have to think that each song also has its own connotations and therefore reactions
    to the body/being.

    Most popular music is vocal music, and most popular vocal music seems to have to
    have a catchy subject, usually sex or some kind of story, or mindless ideas, partying,
    etc. I think the addition to music of lyrics/words makes a difference. I notice that there
    is a difference between say a song in English which is my only language and a song
    in a foreign language which since I do not understand I can interpret as another kind
    of instrument, like humming.

    I think of that Pink Floyd song where the woman sings without words a wonderful
    melody, better than the lyrics, to the song. The activation of your brain’s language
    center while listening to music I think detracts from the music part of the music.

    Probably a lot more to find out about music or any other kind of passive entertainment
    medium. Personally for me Jethro Tull does it! ;-) Music of today just seems to be
    designed to be toxic to people … I don’t get it.




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  17. I’d like to know more about whether or not soy protein isolate is healthy or not, and also a video showing that all eggs (organic, free range etc) contain unhealthy levels of cholesterol. Thanks so much for such an informative site.




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  18. Nothing new under the sun, teachers have known this for years. Many have CDs of Mozart for their students, as his music is composed at the same speed as a human heart rate. So apparently that helps in intellectual activities. Although for me the most intellectual piece of music is Bach’s Tocata and fugue in D.




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  19. I don’t think musical influence on health and human function will ever have much veracity until/unless it is considered with the preferences of each individual participant in a study. There are folks who love music that makes me want to empty my upper digestive contents. Some of the music I like probably has the same effect on others. We all know this, and if we begin to make assumptions as to which age/gender/ethnic group likes this or that, then we are going to create a heap of contradictions and exceptions that prove nothing.

    That being said, listen to what you like and notice how it affects you. You likely listen to more than one type of music or different musicians. Change them up and see which fits your mood. Select accordingly. Forcing yourself to listen to music you don’t like will likely create negative results, BUT don’t be afraid to explore new genres and artists with which you are unfamiliar.

    Personally, I love lots of different music, but what I nearly universally hate is the music that has been overplayed by the narrow-minded broadcast industry-even when it’s by a one of my favorite artists. Thankfully we now have a much larger pool of music (free) from which to choose, employ it and see what you find.




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  20. No sorry I don’t, but I will say that “isolate” doesn’t sound like a “whole food” and that is my vote against it. What your question just spurred me on to find is that there ARE home cholesterol test kits! Yippee! I wish I had tested mine before I dropped it down to the floor–or where ever it is now. I’d love to have the before/after numbers, but that is long past.

    I was going to suggest a serum cholesterol check and then two weeks off eggs without changing anything else, and a recheck. Now I see we don’t have to waste a physician’s time to do such. I’d be so much happier to have a gauge set for my health parameters…like I have on my vehicle-constant monitoring for top performance/maintenance! Looks like we’re getting closer.

    As to poultry and unhatched poultry: I’ve seen practically every video here now (on everything) and even when I do have my severely restricted (in “normal”/SAD terms only) servings of animal products, I almost NEVER again choose anything from the domestic and feathered flock. IOW poultry and eggs are simply OFF my lists of even marginally acceptable foods. AND I HAVE perfect access to (free) free-range, from hens-my-dogs-chase-sometimes eggs and meat.

    For me, the contradiction to health of such products is not outweighed by any culinary delight they can deliver.

    Eggs were simply a convenience for me most of the years I ate them. Farm Fresh, Free and Tasty and easy/quick to prepare many different ways. I ate my share and survived, now i don’t miss them and know my bloodwork will be spectacular when ever looked at again.




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  21. I would be thrilled to see some more aroma-therapy types of health information. I have seen all that are here, they are very good-thanks. It, unlike music, is where a substance/compound actually enters the body (discernible or not), rather than a purely sensory experience derived from light or sound waves.

    That is of course if we’re never going to speak of NaCl again, which might have a larger effect on health. At this point I’m sure it only affects those deemed “sensitive”. Nothing I’ve read or experienced indicates otherwise and is why I keep harping on the “tease” thrown down many weeks ago.




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    1. With NaCl and aroma-therapy every body is different. Animals in the wild know where the natural salt licks are. They don’t just get it from the vegetation or whatever their diet is. Some people need more some need less. When it gets to aroma-therapy some people say it makes them feel better. Then there are many people like me that most of those smells trigger migraines. Also there was a video comparing ginger to imitrex where ginger did as well as imitrex with a very small number of persons. Ginger does not work for many of us with migraine. So do what works for you.




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      1. Yes that is one of the videos to which I was referring. But the last time I had a migraine coming on I had pain pills in my pocket (from dental work) and no chance to try ginger.

        But the aromatherapy surface has only been scratched (and lightly sniffed) here. Maybe there is no more good research on it.

        I keep bringing up salt because we were promised more on salt, some weeks ago.




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          1. Would have been fine if I hadn’t read the “doctor’s notes”. Trying to be a good student yo. Was teased by the words:

            I’ve badly neglected sodium on NutritionFacts.org, but that’s all going to change. I have about a dozen salt videos queued up…

            Then one and no more. Suppose if I can keep myself from reading the notes and dodge auto-cannibalistic graphics, then all will be wunderbar.




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  22. A friend of mine sent me an e-mail regarding something called Carnosine. Apparently, it’s an antioxidant found in meat (strange to have “antioxidant” and “meat” in the same sentence). the preliminary results seem that it is beneficial. Could the doc take a look at Carnosine? Is it good or is it bad for health?




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    1. Looks interesting (I glanced at the Wiki), but plants have this huge track record of being highly beneficial in nearly every aspect of nutrition whereas animal products are riddled with problems for humans who choose to eat them every day. I expect that the beneficial nature of this substance is quite outweighed by the inescapable negatives inherent in flesh consumption. But I’d like to hear the Doc’s thoughts on it.




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  23. Some major flaws in the design and conclusions of these studies:
    GROUPING:
    1) How many in the self-select group chose music that found otherwise to be anxiogenic?
    SUBJECTIVITY:
    2) Could it be that people who naturally like/select “anxiogenic music” get a relaxation effect from it?
    In this case all the study would actually be finding is simply that Mozart is easier to listen to by most than say Metal…a more acquired or reserved taste? The same way that some foods like strong blue cheese make only a few people extremely happy and excited and most quite unhappy…It doesn’t mean “strong blue cheese is anxiogenic”, but that it’s a food best enjoyed best only by a few…no?
    KINETICS:
    3) If we look only at the immediate response to the music, and do the same for exercise, we would say that exercise is anxiogenic and probably not good for health because it increases body temperature, blood pressure and triggers what looks like a state of fight or flight…Think about it.




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    1. Hey now, blue cheese is one of the greatest things ever done with dairy! Of course I only eat it a few times per year now.

      As to music, most genres contain some artists/styles that I like, and many more that I don’t. Some of my favorite artists have recordings that I simply do not care for. Then there are a few categories that contain nearly nothing I can stand.

      Isn’t everyone that way?

      Even when I play an instrument I don’t play just one sort of music… How can any sense be made of this when I love some “metal” and hate some “metal”. Same with Classical. I have owned classical and “metal” recordings since the 1980’s, as well as Punk and Bluegrass and even Bongwater (beyond classification). I’ve seen Van Halen and also Jimmy Buffet, enjoy traditional Celtic music, have been to symphony performances and even shared a warm Schaefer beer with Mojo Nixon in Nashville. m/




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  24. Dear researchers, I would like to have my vital signs monitored and tested whilst listening to dubstep. Just one of the myriad of varieties of music that I enjoy. Here’s a fine example (and yes I expect 98% of folks unfamiliar to completely reject such as “noise”).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sywNMjnsEgg

    Oh and that recording is 1:22:37, so it is rather convenient to use as background whilst working at home. Helps my focus-I jest not.




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    1. Also note that not all dubstep is the same, this particular maker (not sure what you call the mixing person) is my favorite. I listened around and his (I assume male) sense of timing and humor work great for me.




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  25. I wonder what the results would show for those of us who actually like metal (“self-selected”). Although my favorite type of music is symphonic metal (bands like Nightwish and Within Temptation), and as the name implies, combines the metal and classical music. I wonder where the results would be if they tested that in addition to Mozart and Metallica?




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  26. Let’s postulate that the brighter Mozart pieces are more healing than the darker ones. bit.ly/s43-vgn is one of his brightest in a veganized rendition.




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  27. I’m vegan and do a ton of exercise every day; but it’s metal and punk all the way for me. VAN HALEN BABY!!!! However, I do actually get frequent panic attacks…which is interesting. I just thought it was something passed down from my mom to be honest. Even so, I don’t think you’ll stop me listening to this music. Classical music and radiohead make me feel so depressed that I can’t handle it.




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  28. I’d love to hear something about singing and health… :-) I love to sing myself, and I’ve read some articles that said that singing decreased anxiety and improved somethings in Parkinson patients (I can’t recall what it was). So, if you would like to do a topic on singing, I’ll be one of the first to watch!!!
    Thanx for all your work! Love it :-)




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  29. Listening to metal calms me down. If people don’t like heavy metal and like calmer music and someone makes them listening to metal, of course they’ll not get less stressed! If you take someone who likes metal and make them listen to it they will like it and feel less stressed. Most people like comercial/pop or generally calm music, so, if you make a study taking random people and making them listen to heavy metal you don’t have to be a genius to know if the stress levels of most people will go up or down…




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    1. I enjoy listening to metal and classical, and I think I understand what you mean by metal having a calming quality – especially with ambient black metal or blackgaze. I don’t know if I could ever feel calm when listening to something like Metallica, unless it’s one of their ballads. I know I can usually count on classical to make me feel calm, but even classical music could be intense! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. :)




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