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  • mbglife

    It would be interesting to know their diets too. Even more interesting if the patients were split between a whole foods vegan diet and a standard American diet. And for me, I’d also like to see no refined oils or sugars factored in. I can just imagine the improvement numbers being almost 100%.
    Mark G

    • Stewart E.

      Mark, that was one of the first things to occur to me as well. Hopefully such a study will come.
      My ex wife had lupus nephritis years ago. A number of years ago I developed psoriatic arthritis and eventually tried a wfpbd to avoid the horrors of methotrexate. It worked. I have been arthritis free for years now. I often have wondered whether I should communicate with her about that possibitly. Now, with the turmuric info, I must. But I can’t help believing that the two together would be much better.

      • mbglife

        Stewart, thanks for sending me your note. I love hearing success stories. I think they are really an important part of this site. I’ve sometimes shared info here with people I know and it’s rarely been accepted, and never in full. Several years ago I worked with ‘JT’. A year after I retired I heard from another colleague ‘Sara’ that JT quit because he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis and was going to stay home with his toddler son and wife to enjoy his last few years before he got really sick and died. I sent Sara some links for from NF regarding the studies on how vegan diets in early MS usually stops the progression and can even reverse it. She was very excited and passed the info on. I sent a total of 3 emails over several months. About a year after that I was at an xmas potluck party at Sara’s when JT and his wife arrived. Their contributions to the pot luck? Rice crispy squares packed with loads of M&Ms. What was on their plates from the potluck buffet table? A half a plate of cold cuts, cheeses, and meat dishes and half a plate of various cookies and junk. I can see someone deciding not to try a healthy diet if you thougtht you were healthy and not likely to see much difference. But if you quit your job because you thought you were going to get sick and die, and you were presented with information that you could escape your “fate”, wouldn’t you try? I would. And I’d stick with it even if doctors told me it wouldn’t help.

        I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t try to help your ex-wife with the info. And I hope that she embraces and is helped by it. I’m just saying don’t feel bad if she doesn’t accept it. There seems to be something with human nature that makes had for many people.

        I’m glad your own health story had a happy ending.
        Mark G

  • Garlic Bad for Lupus

    John Hopkins Lupus Center (maybe the best in the world?) states boldly that all people with Lupus should
    avoid garlic, echinacea, as well as some other foods, spices, herbs. Google-it. Best doctors in the world
    work there, as well as researchers, scientists. Garlic, avoid. How novel. All we ever hear is the good stuff.
    Maybe the contraindications for some issues need to be highlighted. Hopefully Dr. G. looks into this.

    • Tom Goff

      That is because garlic etc boost the immune system. This is a good thing for most people. However,people with lupus already have an overactive immune system so ……

      • Dr.Jon_NF Volunteer

        I would not assume that the Johns Hopkins Lupus Center is giving out good nutrition advice. Check out the video listed in the “Doctor’s Note”, above, called “Turmeric Curcumin and Osteoarthritis”. It discusses “pro-inflammatory foods”—meat, dairy, fat, and junk, and “anti-inflammatory (plant) foods” — whole grains, vegetables and fruits, beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils.

      • Thea

        Tom: Are you feeling particularly generous today? I just tried to answer someone’s question about ways to reduce cholesterol even though this person has been vegan for 4 years. I quote you in the first bullet, but somehow the link from your original post got messed up when I copied it (from a long time ago when you posted it first). Can you look at what I wrote and find that study again? No big deal if you don’t have time. Just thought I could fix the post and any future ones that I do on that topic. Thanks!
        http://nutritionfacts.org/video/optimal-cholesterol-level/#comment-2585575071

      • guest

        The strange thing though is that turmeric is also an immune booster but it helps lupus patients.

  • Rhombopterix

    “Which of the two treatments do you imagine doctors are more likely to be told about?” Told by whom? I know, salesmen right? but how do doctors keep abreast of new developments, outside of shills for the drug co’s? Once I left school it was up to me to read the journals, publish my work and present at conferences. My education was just beginning. Are young doctors the better informed?

    • HeidiH

      I find if it is not pill or procedure based, we doctors have a hard time getting the information ( I am a middle-aged middle-career doctor.) They rarely publish nutrition- based studies in our journals and it is rarely presented at meetings. And when they do, I seem to be one of the few to read it or attend the class. If you do this kind of research you are on your own to fund it often. I have been spending much of each office visit now on lifestyle intervention for otolaryngic problems. I am shocked at how many people just do not want to hear about a lifestyle change. They just want a quick fix of current symptoms. I am always pleasantly relieved when they are receptive. But I recently heard from someone that I had a negative review on an insurance website. It stated that I was afraid of prescribing medication, that I said that “things” (they must have meant dairy) are bad for us, that I do not make my patients better and that I do not practice real medicine but am now a homeopath. I was really shocked and angered by these comments. The primary cares in our area are not open to lifestyle intervention. I keep wondering why we in healthcare are not practicing more healthcare and instead helping the status quo of disease mongering. But it seems that the patients expect this kind of treatment as well. Not sure how long it will take for the tide to change.

      • Lynn Sustad

        Any chance you’re in the Denver, CO area…I’d love to have a doctor who understands the advise from Hippocrates; food as medicine!

        • HeidiH

          Unfortunately not in Denver. But I love coming to this site and reading posts by like-minded people. Refreshing!

          • Coclesmary

            It’s interesting to me that my doctor, who I rarely see, (I’m 62 and on no meds), has never asked why I take B12 supplements.

          • HeidiH

            I bet he doesn’t know why you do. I did not know about the need for B12 in vegans until 6 years ago, and I had been a doctor for 14 years by then. So many patients take supplements for various reasons we rarely ask why. Too bad he didn’t ask. You could have expounded on your fountain of youth!
            Good for you, no meds at age 62. Mayo clinic found in a 2013 study that 70% of ALL Americans are on one prescription medication, 50% are on 2 and 20% of all Americans are on 5 or more prescriptions! Look at all the money you have saved in prescription drug costs and office visits. You are a great example of how to contain healthcare costs in America!

        • HeidiH

          Oh and one other thought: If you use this model of healthy diet and lifestyle you will not need a doctor anyway! :)

          • Stewart E.

            Heidi, I just gotta say, that one statement has been a great mood elevator.
            Here’s why. Monday I saw a new doctor at the VA. I have had service connected type I diabetes for 40ish years and recieve all supplies and treatment from them.
            The labs he ordered has not even included a lipid panel. The only suggestion or question he had was whether I was taking statins.
            I really wanted to put it out there that as a diabetic, advanced glycation end products really concern me so I have greatly reduced that exogenous load from diet. Now the only remaining thing is to keep the A1c readings down. I would love the discussion of just how much the elimination of all meats has on that load. I know it helps but how much?
            As you can imagine he seemed to think I was speaking a language he did not understand. Alas.
            Well your comment reminds me that I am and must be my own primary care giver anyway.

          • HeidiH

            Stewart, I think you probably know more about this condition and how to help it than most primary care physicians. Bravo for you, taking your health into your own hands in such a positive way.

          • Vege-tater

            And bravo to you for being so encouraging, unlike so many doctors who resent the “intrusion” of lay knowledge! Doctors have trained hard and long to acquire their knowledge of course, but once you suffer from a health issue you become an unwilling expert on a focused topic, which is certainly not a reflection on the doctor…one person can only retain so much! I actually got “fired” by a doctor because I refused his pills and disagreed with his advice!

          • HeidiH

            Terrible he fired you rather than having an open mind! Well I know that misery loves company so I will tell you that a few of the primary cares have “fired” me from their referral list as I change diets (milk being their number one objection – and mine too come to think of it :-) I have been a life long learner. We have to do 40 hours of continuing medical education every 3 years to keep our license. I do about 400+ a year. I love to learn anything new and I love learning truth. I do have to say that in my early years, I thought I new a lot about a lot. My adventure in WFPB nutrition has humbled me and made me realize that my medical education had HUGE gaps and that much of what I learned was false. I would say the majority of the doctors still feel that they know what’s best for their patient but are still preaching what they learned in medical school/residency 10, 20 or 30+ years ago. They say that “truth” in medicine proves itself wrong at a pace of about 20% a year. So if you are 5 years out of residency and not keeping current on studies and findings then you are way behind.

            Keep educating yourself. Find a doctor that agrees with the way you want to be doctored.

          • Dr.Jon_NF Volunteer

            Thank you, HeidiH, for all your recent posts. Very encouraging. I also feel very humbled by all I’ve learned about WFPB nutrition in the last year or two. When I read so many Comments on this site from patients who are getting really bad advice from ill-informed doctors, it makes me feel sad about our whole profession, and in particular, about our system of medical education.

          • Rebecca Cody

            I consider that firing a badge of honor!

            There are probably veiled comments in my medical history with some former doctors, especially oncologists. Even my current doctor, who is definitely into alternative medicine, has a paleo approach to diet, which I reject.

          • Vege-tater

            Thanks Rebecca, I’m sure they will remember me since I didn’t leave without having my say!

          • Stewart E.

            Heidi, I fully appreciate your tendency to be too forceful in presentations to your patients. And you do seem disappointed that you haven’t gotten a fair hearing. Totally understand that. I just want to remind you what your up against. (I think this may be a good opportunity to address a topic I think is central to health care.)
            Though they are not independent we have, as sources of ideas both science and culture. These two shape each other to a great extent. e.g. “Seafood is heart healthy”, “milk does a body good” and of course “milk will stop osteoperosis” and “lean beef and poultry are heart healthy” are notions that infect the medical profession and guide a good deal of scientific research. And of course “everybody knows they are true.”
            I got into a very short discussion about auto immune disease with my vet the other day. After telling her what I had done to eliminate psoriatic arthritis, she asked, “how do you get enough protein?”
            Countering this will not be done with a single scientific explanation, rather good science must be repeated over and over and over,,,, until it becomes the cultural norm.
            You are a credible source for your patients but your knowledge should be reinforced from all sorts of sources. One doctor who often posts here plays educational video for his patients in the waiting room and I suspect elsewhere. Dr Greger’s videos are great mainly because he is just presenting the science. I know beliefs are in there but the beliefs are based on the best available science he has been able to find.

            Without the science one can easily come off like a hippie spreading fairy dust. Ideological vegans generally do not help.

            I was also particularly impressed that Kaiser Permanente has started advising all doctors to recommend a plant based diet. MD Anderson in Houston uses that as part of cancer treatment. (I know someone who went there with stage 4 stomach cancer and is now considered cancer free. She credits the wfpbd.) Putting out their brochure and any articles available on this would help reinforce this. It won’t be enough though until the knowledge and notions are ubiquitous and medicine is consistently lead by science.

            So you gotta show you are not alone. I am no source except as an opinionated individual with an anecdote about insulin usage and inflammatory arthritis. You on the other hand are very authoritive and need to reinforce that with literature and media showing where your knowledge comes from.
            Again thanks for what you do.

          • HeidiH

            Stewart, thanks for the ideas and support. In my area of medicine, otolaryngology, it is not easy to find scientific articles regarding WFPBD approach to cure. I have done my own study on cyclic food allergies and tonsil and adenoidal hypertrophy (funded by myself- just because I wanted to know) and have taken hundreds of babies off dairy and seen their ear infections disappear. Viola, no surgery required, but have not written it up for potential publication. Dairy was the main culprit with both. I have even done pressure studies on the ears of kids on and off of dairy (the ones that are prone to ear infections) and in many you can see the coming and going of ear pressure when dairy products are consumed.

            Yes, I need to find good credible studies already published regarding dairy consumption and ENT problems to cite to my patients and referring physicians. Funny thing is when you put dairy and ear problems or anything of that sort in Pub Med NOTHING comes up. They have it hidden well so you can not find the studies. I have spent hundreds of hours on internet searches trying to find studies to substantiate what I know to be true.

            I posted one example elsewhere. A study in 2012 in our Academy journal (shocker it was even published there) Food hypersensitivity and otolaryngologic conditions in young children. Paddack A, et al. Otolaryngol Head Neck Surg. 2012. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22447892/?i=2&from=dairy%20throat. The “Food” they are talking about is dairy. That is the only thing they took these children under 2 off of. I was trying to find this article on the internet and even knowing the general name of the article could not get it to come up on a Google search. I had to search through my emails to find the name of the article. Why did they not want to say “dairy” in the title? They never do! It is nearly impossible to find studies that come right out and say DAIRY CAN CAUSE EAR INFECTIONS or is bad for you! But when you read the actual paper, 90% of children were better from GI and ENT problems off dairy and more than half were 100% cured! But in the abstract the conclusion is that “Some patients in this study showed symptom improvement via an elimination diet. ” I think 90% and >60% is a lot more than some, but they water down the summary. I would bet the publisher made them do this. I was heavily involved in research in residency and remember writing version after version of our paper until the editor was satisfied.

            Yet another reason I am so glad to come to this site where Dr. Greger has read and analyzed many of the nutrition articles. I think he should add the above article to his repertoire. I already hand out this article to any and all who will take it, hand out the “daily dozen” sheet. I have started a Fact boards in my office where we put healthy nutrition facts and have a handout called “Healthy habits of living.” I cite the Kaiser diet recommendation and am glad to know that MD Andersen uses it as well. I guess I must not lose heart. It only took 7000 studies and countless deaths before the AMA and the US government took a stand against smoking. I’ll keep pressing forward until everyone is so healthy that they no longer need my services, ah that will be a happy day!

          • Stewart E.

            “I’ll keep pressing forward until everyone is so healthy that they no longer need my services, ah that will be a happy day!” But of course then you can do what you are already doing, be an educator.

          • Vege-tater

            Again, thanks for what you do. I was one of those kids with milk issues back in the 50’s when milk was the gold standard and no kid had the option of refusing it, even if it made them gag…and it did! I came to think of it as a glass of mucus, and later found out it actually kind of is! Point is, I had constant tonsillitis (which they surgically removed along with some other “useless” items) and repeated ear infections which left me hearing impaired, tummy trouble galore, severe joint issues, and so on. I would love to see milk and animal products banished in my life-time, but we know that ain’t happenin’!

          • Rebecca Cody

            Heidi, this is way off topic, but you’re the only ENT I’m aware of who may know of a possible answer. I don’t know if you are familiar with the HORRORS of fluoroquinolones such as Cipro, Levaquin and Avelox, but the toxic effects, for some, are awful and often life-changing and permanent. Before I was aware of that fact my ENT prescribed Floxin drops during an infection. Within three or four days I lost a huge amount of hearing in my right ear, which now also has a distortion, so the hearing aids I had to buy don’t help that ear much. Do you think the Floxin could have caused this dramatic hearing loss? Before this episode I had only slight losses in both ears.

          • HeidiH

            Rebecca, Since their development in about 1999 for the use in ears, flouroquinalone drops have been shown in a number of studies to have no ototoxic (causing hearing or balance disturbance) effect.

            (Drugs. 1999 Sep;58(3):509-31.Ofloxacin otic solution: a review of its use in the management of ear infections.Simpson KL1, Markham http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10493278

            and

            Drug Saf. 2003;26(6):405-20. A benefit-risk assessment of ofloxacin otic solution in ear infection.Wai TK1, Tong MC. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12688832

            Prior to that, neomycin was used often in ears with tubes and perforations and had a known side effect of ototoxicity, so Floxin is a real improvement over what was available.

            Middle ear infections are known to have a potential side effect of sensory hearing loss due to inflammatory cells being so near the sensory neurons especially those in the upper frequencies. It is seen more often in the chronic otitis model (lasting 12 weeks or longer) but studies have substantiated that recurrent acute otitis media has a side effect of sensorineural hearing loss as one ages as well as other balance and hearing disorders. In the chronic infection model the older the patient, the more likely infection will cause sensory hearing loss.

            Sensorineural hearing loss in chronic otitis media. Otol Neurotol. 2003 Mar;24(2):141-4. Papp Z1, Rezes S, Jókay I, Sziklai I. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12621323.

            You should speak to your ENT about your post-infection hearing. A hearing test can show if it is conductive (from remaining fluid or other conduction issues in the middle or external ear) or sensory (from damage to the sensory organ). Unilateral sensory hearing loss always needs more attention and workup.

            And always a plug for the healthy lifestyle encouraged on NF in regards to overall hearing health, nothing beats a diet that lowers cholesterol, cardiovascular risk, diabetes risk, and improves overall health – all risk factors of hearing loss. Love the conclusion of a study on the risk of hearing loss in diabetes:

            CONCLUSIONS Low HDL, coronary heart disease, peripheral neuropathy, and having poor health are potentially preventable correlates of hearing impairment…

            Risk Factors for Hearing Impairment Among U.S. Adults With Diabetes. National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 1999–2004. Kathleen E. Bainbridge, PHD1⇓, Howard J. Hoffman, MA1 and Catherine C. Cowie, PHD2

            Hope this information is useful.

          • Rebecca Cody

            Heidi, thank you so much! I have wondered why the hearing went so quickly – really almost overnight.

            I did follow up with my ENT, had hearing tests since that happened in 2014. Then he closed his office and went to work for the VA, so I’ve seen another ENT and had another hearing test recently.

            How I wish we hadn’t been such big milk consumers in my family, and I continued it as an adult for many years, but no more. I did have frequent ear infections, one at age 14 caused the eardrum to rupture. And I recently had a bout of dizziness that lasted three days, which the ENT said was likely caused by inflammation in or near the hearing nerve.

            There have been many with hearing losses in my family. Perhaps there is a genetic component, or maybe the diet was a big contributor.

            I’m with you on the WFPB diet. I ditched the dairy in 2010 with a cancer diagnosis, but all is well now – except the hearing and extreme tinnitus! Oh well, overall I’m doing great!

          • Thea

            Rebecca: re: “Perhaps there is a genetic component, or maybe the diet was a big contributor.” I believe that these two factors are interrelated. (i,e not an ‘either-or’ situation, but an ‘and’ situation) A genetic component can set someone up to be vulnerable or more vulnerable than someone without that genetic component. And then the diet can pull the trigger, set off the disease/problem.
            .
            I think about say T2 diabetes where two people could eat the same terrible diet and only one of them gets diabetes. You could say that there is a genetic component, which is indeed true. But with a healthy diet, neither of them would have gotten T2 diabetes. Hence, in my mind, while the genetic component exists, the dietary component is the most helpful to know about as we can control it and thus often control our own health–regardless of our genes.
            .
            I’m sure you know all that. I just felt it might be helpful for someone who is reading this thread and who is not familiar with these ideas to be exposed to them.

          • Rebecca Cody

            Thea,

            You’re absolutely right. It’s epigenetics and that does give us a lot of control. However, that understanding came along much too late for most of the people in all our families who had cancer or arthritis or depression or diabetes or whatever. We are privileged now to have so much information just a few keystrokes away, and great people to discuss these things with. Our WFPB numbers are growing and one day they will reach a critical mass and tip us in that direction. It just usually seems to take much too long to get there!

        • Paul

          Good luck with your single payer initiative!

      • Vegangirl

        I totally understand, I told a friend who has high blood pressure about a plant based diet that i put my mom on who is 85 now , she was on 14 meds and now she is on none. Her diabetes, high cholestrol gone. She did not want to hear about how the diet, now her lifestyle changed that. She said she didn’t believe it, even tho she has met and seen my mom. I offered to show her the blood tests after and before..but she was not interested. It’s amazing to me why someone would not want to change their eating habits if it means getting off meds.

        • HeidiH

          I have heard that it is easier to get someone to change their religion than their diet. I have taken that to heart and now feel I am a WFPBD missionary! I had an email yesterday in my inbox from the AMA that the average American over 65 is on 5 prescription medications. My husband, 50, said that at a recent eye doctor visit they asked him 3 times if he was SURE he was not on any medication. Hilarious! We come to expect that everyone will be on something by 50. Our bodies were not meant to run on pills. Give it good food and a little exercise and it will heal itself.

          • mbglife

            At my managed care provider the nurse usually sees me first and sets things up for the doctor to get in and out faster. They always ask what medications your one and check your answers against what’s in your file. The last several times I’ve gone I’ve seen different nurses and when they ask what meds I’m taking I say, none. Each has replied, “but it says here that you’re taking vitamin B12 and D. I go in for my annual physical next week. When they ask which medications I take I’ll be sure to say, B12 and D. They’ve trained me. ;-)

        • willis s

          VeganGirl, please share your BP cure advice

          • HeidiH

            Have you tried hibiscus tea (along with WFPBD of course)? Super antioxidant (see NF video on it) and also has the great side effect of blood pressure reduction. My receptionist started drinking it as we have it in the office in our break room and her blood pressure normalized and she “had” to be taken off her BP meds altogether.

          • mbglife

            A note of caution about hibiscus tea to people that haven’t yet tried it. I started drinking it because of Dr Greger’s presentations and recommendations. I immediately noticed my heart rhythm pounding strong and beating erraticly, so I stopped. Soon after that I read here in the discussion boards that many people have this reaction. Dr. Greger chimed in and noted that this is a side affect to some and that people who react to it should not take it. It would be great if things like potential side affects were listed in a table for recommended foods so that people can know before they try new things. I think that would be safer.

          • HeidiH

            Good to know! Yes, everything we put in our mouth has medicinal qualities.

      • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

        Dr Heidi, I am sympathetic to your challenges. It can be easy to forget just how resistant people are to giving up their beloved comfort foods. Food choices are personal, habit driven, culturally shaped. In our passion to spread the WFPBD “word” we can meet tremendous resistance.

        A strategy that works for me is to share with my clients the research, evidentiary base for WFPBD for different conditions. I explain that ultimately food choice is their own personal decision, but I’m able to support them as they move towards better health. I then work with them to structure an approach that supports their own health goals, and help provide dietary support for their options.

        Do I wish everyone would adopt a vegan diet? YES – better for their health, for our community health, for the health of animals, and for the planet. Will they? Some will, others will suffer. I can’t save them all. But if we can save some, then we’ve really accomplished something!!

        Keep the faith, and keep learning. We need you!

        • HeidiH

          Thanks, Lisa. Great ideas. Yes, I have had to adopt a new approach to giving the patients the information. I was too eager in the beginning, sure that all patients would be ecstatic for an option other than surgery. I usually give several handouts at the visit. I review the recent and relevant data (less in ENT than other areas-however I have non published data from my own patients over the last 6 years) and must say I am so disappointed when they chose surgery over a lifestyle change trials. But as you say, I cannot make anyone change if they do not want to. My husband finds it humorous that I am so disappointed when I have to do surgery on them, after all I am a surgeon. But I tell him I a think of myself as a healer and sometimes I am just cutting out symptoms. Where will it pop up next? I know I cannot save them all…..but I want to!

          • Gumbootgoddess

            Thank goodness for health professionals such as yourself and everyone else in the NF community. Please don’t give up, we need you all.
            I have had limited success (at least I’ve piqued their interest) with my daughter and son in law by asking for their help to understand some of the research that I’m now beginning to read. Unfortunately that doesn’t help you professional folks, but for anyone such as myself, who doesn’t have a medical/science background, it is showing promising signs. Baby steps, baby steps, and maybe a little deviousness too!!!!

          • Thea

            Love it! What a novel idea. (One I hadn’t seen before.)

          • HeidiH

            Ah you are so clever! I have resorted to saying to my patient’s parents, ” Yes, we should do tube surgery for the ear infections. Let’s get it booked. Oh and by the way, there is some NEW research out there that shows that a good number of patients that have ear infections have a dairy sensitivity. You could always try and elimination and see if the infections clear up.” If it is an older child throwing a fit about going off milk and ice cream I will then laugh and say, “Well, that’s ok, it’s better for my piggy bank if you don’t want to try it and I get to operate on you.” Then I laugh and mom with a big grin will tell me that she will make him try it! (Yes, money talks!) I hate to bring money into it but I am trying to show the patients that I have nothing to gain except the reputation of being the best HEALTHCARE provider out there. I certainly make less talking about healthy diet and not doing surgery than I used to make, but this is the kind of practice I had in mind when I became a doctor. I do not want their money, I want them well. My husband is already retired and some days wishing I would be too, but I tell him that I have too important a platform to quit now!

          • Thea

            So great! You had me smiling big.

          • Gumbootgoddess

            Me too!!!

      • Rhombopterix

        There used to laws to protect you from that kind of malicious attack. Now the thugs run everything. Someday a big rain is come and wash all the stuff into the sewer. Don’t lose hope. Fight the good fight. We need you.

        Those people that want the quick fix… I was one of them. If they are like me, they don’t seem receptive but a little kernel of that truth gets tucked away. Every time you reinforce, and someone else shows them their good results and then one day they hit a wall and it all comes together for them. For some of them anyway. Thats how we got to here.

        • Vege-tater

          So true, our consciousness is supposed to be our unique gift, yet we spend so much of our lives actively trying to squash it! Of course admitting that to ourselves is a huge leap but the biggest step to making positive change! Sometimes small doses make it less painful, but crisis seems to be the ultimate wake up call…for some. That sucks! lol

  • Joe Caner

    Dang! What ailment can’t be treated with turmeric?

    • Stewart

      Well, there is my receding hairline.

      • John

        Hey, I resemble that remark!
        John

      • Joe Caner

        I don’t Stewart. Have you tried making a paste made of turmeric and applying it to your scalp? (-:

        • Stewart E.

          Man! show me the studies and I’ll do it!
          My wife would probably kill me for turning everything in the house yellow though so that might be counter indicated for healthy living.

          • Vege-tater

            I love coming here, brains AND humor, what a rare combo!!!

    • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

      Chapped lips? Sunburn?

      • 2tsaybow

        I don’t know Lisa, I mix it with kaolin clay and honey and put it on my face and shoulders as a mask. It’s very healing and would probably be great for sunburn.

        So maybe it won’t work for …dandruff.

        • HeidiH

          They use tumeric as a paste in skin cancer, so maybe it would work for dandruff! Can you tell me your recipe for your face mask. There is a pesky dermatitic disorder in the ears that causes flaky red skin and an overproduction of ear wax. Have been trying to cure it for a decade in my patients. Steroids keep it less itchy, but I am convinced if I can cure the dermatitis, the overproduction ear wax will stop. This paste sounds like a good thing to try and see if it helps.

          And, as I am getting older it sounds like a potential fountain of youth as well! I want to try it!

          • 2tsaybow

            Thanks for asking!

            When I had my third kid my husband relented and let me have a home birth. To my surprise, my mid-wife told me to use honey on my (non-scientific name coming up!) hoo hoo and it was terrific! So even a little honey water might help with the ear.

            Anyway I put a tablespoon each of kaolin turmeric and honey in a jar and I stir with a spoon adding water as needed to make a paste . I use paintbrush or the back of the spoon to apply the a mask because it will stain your fingers (and nails) if you use them.
            You can use witch hazel, or some other toner afterward to remove any extra yellow. Remember anything white or light colored is going to be stained so wear dark clothing or clothes you don’t care about when you use this.
            There are a lot of videos on youtube about this particular mask.

            Well, if turmeric can help cure dandruff, then what can’t it do?

          • HeidiH

            Thanks! How long do you leave it on?

            I have seen many studies on the healing benefits of honey. I think this paste sounds promising. I will keep you posted!

          • 2tsaybow

            I let it dry and then rinse it off which takes about twenty minutes. Too long and you take on a bit of an oompa loompa tinge.

          • Vege-tater

            You made me literally laugh out loud! And darn, I thought that WAS the scientific name! Love it!

    • Maureen Okun

      In-grown toe nails. No wait—it probably helps lessen any inflammation …

      • Joe Caner

        I say this with tongue cheek, and with much irony:

        Friends,
        It cures bad breath.
        It cures flatulence.
        It cures varicose veins.
        It cures lumbago.
        It a wonderful tonic for hangovers and also makes an amazing hair tonic.*

        Step right up and get yourself a bottle because supplies are limited and are going fast….

        * Disclaimer: all claims are for marketing purposes only and do not reflect the opinion of anybody.

    • http://www.eatandbeatcancer.com/ Harriet Sugar Miller

      I’m using it for make-up now. Mix with a little red berry powder and rub on face (instead of those endocrine-disrupting products).

  • M. Witte

    I take a Turmeric supplement which claims to contain 450 mg of rhizomal Turmeric(Circuma long). It says 95% cirucumonois, Curcumin C3 complex. Is this comparable to turmeric powder?

    • Jim Felder

      Why not just make your own. You can buy empty vegan capsules and fill them with your own turmeric. Just look for “empty vegan capsules” online to find any number of sources for around a penny to a penny and a half a capsule. And an upfront investment would be a capsule filling kit. I just found a fully manual one that does 50 capsules at a time for $26.

      Oh, and if you do this mix some ground black pepper with the turmeric to aid with absorption/retention.

      • John

        I just buy it inexpensively at the local Asian foods store. Then I slice it thin and ferment it in my sauerkraut. I like the taste better. Then I put it on my salad which has EV olive oil as part of the dressing and pepper. I think the fermentation makes it more bioavailable, because it does that to many foods, but I don’t have the $ to perform a double blind controlled lab study.
        JOhn

        • maggie

          My local co-op now carries the tumeric root as well and I am also using in salads and soups and of course wouldn’t thinking of making humus with tumeric and cumin though here I use the powder. I also add to my sauteed, in water, greens like kale. Use it in tomato sauces as well as the taste is barely discernible when you’re using the root.

        • 2tsaybow

          I just love it when I can find fresh turmeric. I just grab a stump in morning and chew on it as I drive to work. It tastes so different. I’ll remember what you’ve said here and add it to my cabbage when I ferment it too! Thanks John!

        • Vege-tater

          If I can ever get my hands on some I will definitely try it my ferments, awesome idea! Except I would have to omit the EVOO and use pepper because fats are horrid for former diabetics!

      • Rebecca Cody

        Since it takes so little turmeric daily to make a difference I find it easy just to slip it into foods. Sure, my chili is a bit more yellow than it used to be, soups too, but my husband hasn’t noticed it and he gets some that way. He hates curry flavors, but doesn’t even notice this.

        As for myself, every morning I make a concoction in a thermal carafe and drink it through the morning. I chop about a tablespoon of ginger, add 1/2 teaspoon turmeric powder, about 1/8 teaspoon black pepper, a green tea bag, and Earl Grey teabag and a little stevia, then fill it with boiling water. This way I get a number of good things every day in a pleasant, tasty drink.

    • Darryl

      The turmeric root has around 10% curcuminoids. You have a standardized extract, usually made by stirring powdered root with hot alcohol or other solvent, filtering out the solids, and distilling off the solvent. So to obtain the same amount of curcumin from powdered turmeric would take 9 times as much.

      • http://www.eatandbeatcancer.com/ Harriet Sugar Miller

        So how much root would you suggest eating daily? And what are your thoughts on heating turmeric or not? Does heating alter turmeric’s ability to affect inflammation or DNA? I recall you once commented on a study that looked at that issue.

        • jj

          If I remember correctly what one of Dr G’s video on tumeric said is that cold fights inflammation and cooked affects the DNA.

        • http://www.eatandbeatcancer.com/ Harriet Sugar Miller

          I just re-read the Percival study on heating turmeric v not heating and found your helpful comments, Darryl. As usual, you parse the data. It sounds like heating is important.

          Here are your previous comments on the Percival study comparing the effects of 13 spices on anti-oxidant and anti-inflammatory markers.

          anti-oxidant markers (DNA strand breaks) : “Heat treated turmeric also reduced DNA strand breaks more than any other spice, while raw turmeric had no significant effect.”

          inflammatory markers (3 different ones): “In the featured study, heat treated turmeric actually had greater average activity than raw, looking at inhibition of the three factors (IL-6, TNF-α, and IL-1α), but the variation in response between subjects/samples was too great for a statistically significant result.

          solubility: “This paper demonstrated a 12-fold increase of curcumin soluability when turmeric is cooked.http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/adt.2007.064

  • Irene

    I have been taking an herb class and the person teaching it has told us that when using herbs for health it is a good idea to take them for only two months at a time and then not take them for a month before using them again. She said that the body can get too used to the herb and it won’t be as effective if it is constantly in the body. Do you know if there is any medical research that has been done in that regard?

    • Coclesmary

      That’s a good question. I once spoke to an employee in a health food store, and he remarked that he didn’t take anything every single day. I guess for the same reason.

    • guest

      Most supplements I take only six days a week. Turmeric I use in cooking, so I don’t consider it a supplement but a food.

  • Dawn N. O’Kane

    What about MS and Tumeric?

  • Nancy Nowak

    Is tumeric also helpful for someone with Sjogrens Syndrome? I have read that those with Sjogrens often get Lupus. I take tumeric in capsule form. Is that the same?

  • Vegangirl

    does that include curry powder which contains Tumeric, is that also beneficial ?

    • Psych MD

      The curry powder that I buy in bilk from WinCo lists the following ingredients: coriander, fenugreek, turmeric, cumin, salt, ginger, mustard, red pepper, anise, oil of cassia. It is likely that all these wonderful spices work synergistically and more effectively than any one alone. So my answer to your question would be yes.

      • guest

        It’d be a good idea to avoid regular use of cassia because it contains coumarin, which is mild liver toxin in humans. The better choice is true cinnamon (Ceylon cinnamon), whose coumarin content is negligible.

    • Jim Felder

      Even better because many/most(?) curry powders also contain black pepper, which contains Piperine. Piperine suppresses the action of the liver to clear curcumin and other phytonutrients contained in turmeric from the blood stream. Without it the amount of circulating curcumin is a small fraction of what it is with co-consumption of black pepper.

      http://nutritionfacts.org/2015/02/05/why-pepper-boosts-turmeric-blood-levels/

      If you want to make sure the curry you use contains black pepper, you can just make your own. There are lots of recipes on line. This also allows you to control the number and amount of the different spices in the mix. I do it because my wife has a very low tolerance to capsaicin which is what gives chilies their heat. She loves the flavor of curry, for about 2 seconds before the capsaicin blow-torches her mouth. So just make up my own curry powder without any of the ground chilies. Now on the other hand I *love* hot, spicy food, but I can easily fix that with some cayenne or sriracha or Tabasco sauce. I make enough to last several months, so I don’t need to do this very often.

      • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

        This is a perfect example of how traditionally created foods (what I call Ancient Wisdom) are often magical in their potentially healing powers. Vegan recipes that include turmeric can be found from our friends at PCRM can be found here. You’ll notice that there are a number of simple to prepare recipes that you can easily make at home.

        • Vege-tater

          Lisa, love the term “ancient wisdom” and something which has always fascinated me. How did the ancients know that nixtamalization with ashes would make corn more nutritious, and other similar preparations down through time. How did it happen that beneficial combinations of foods or spices were discovered and passed on? It makes me so sad to see this fake fast food era eclipse millennia of acquired knowledge and associations of the ancient wisdoms no longer honored and cherished…and often lost forever. The more complicated life becomes, the more we take shortcuts and tune out to the increasing stress and permeating “noise”, and the less conscious we become. Sad. In many ways I think the ancients had the advantage.

  • Dominic

    Can someone direct me to the video in which Dr. Greger compares the anthocyanin or lutein content of eggs with plant foods? The Egg industry touts eggs as being good sources of these phytonutrients. Unfortunately, people believe it – even dietitians.

  • John Axsom

    I am learning so much by listening to Dr. Gregner’s videos. Everyone should share these videos on their Facebook page. We need an army of people to help make CHANGE in the medical establishment, but I think it must start at the grass roots level among all of us “patients”. Please spread the word, and share links in your E-mails and other social media systems. Le’ts change the medical establishment for the sake of our nation, friends, relatives, children, and even the world.

    • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

      Great to hear your enthusiasm, John! I’m sure your own living breathing example is doing much to shape hearts and minds of those close to you. Your friends and family are lucky to have you!!

    • Vege-tater

      I do John, and never get a single comment. Apparently FB is for posting the latest escapist meme, celebrity news, or yet another selfie. Reality is just too real! lol

      • John Axsom

        I understand what you mean. Very few people ever respond to my FaceBook posts regarding Dr. Gregner’s videos and articles. HOWEVER, People are still reading them. They just don’t want to post a comment, because they don’t really have the experience or knowledge to say anything about the topic. But, many of them do read the articles or watch the videos. AND, all of them do read the headlines. So, keep on posting.

  • Coclesmary

    Does anyone know if making a tea from turmeric is as effective or less than just eating it?

    • John

      It becomes more bioavailable when eaten with some kind of oil and black pepper, so no, unless you add those to your tea. Bulletproof tea?
      John

      • Coclesmary

        I knew about the pepper, I put that in, but not oil. Maybe it’s just easier to add it to some food. I don’t care for the taste, but I’ll get over it.

        • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

          Warning – this is deep in the scientific weeds! For those who want to know the science of turmeric bioavailability more deeply, this often cited article does that. And more!

          • HaltheVegan

            This looks like a great article. I’m plodding my way through it and haven’t finished yet, but so far it looks very informative. Thanks for finding this and posting the link!

          • Jim Felder

            I love scientific weeds. That is in large measure why I come to this website. The truth is in the weeds.

        • http://www.eatandbeatcancer.com/ Harriet Sugar Miller

          Do you like cumin? You can easily disguise the taste with some cumin powder. Here’s my messipe–http://eatandbeatcancer.com/2012/12/06/anti-cancer-recipes-how-to-make-turmeric-more-potent-and-tasty/

    • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

      It is a really great approach to eat a wide variety of whole foods to cover all of our nutrient bases. With turmeric, one can make or enjoy fabulous curries. Here are some great recipes from our friends at PCRM. Enjoy!!

      • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

        Or you can make your own turmeric capsules with Jim’s recipe above!!!

      • Vege-tater

        We have taken to adding a bit of turmeric to our morning coffee habit to make it feel a little healthier! lol It isn’t bad actually if you don’t add too much…1/4 tsp is the cutoff for me.

    • Guest

      Dr. Greger, either in the book or in a video, says that cooked turmeric and raw turmeric have some different benefits, so it’s a good idea to eat both.

  • Jim Felder

    If you want to include turmeric in your daily routine, but don’t want to fix a curry for dinner every night, you can just make your own turmeric supplements. You can easily buy empty vegan capsules in many different sizes online and fill them with your own turmeric/black pepper mix. To make filling them easy, there are capsule filling kits/machines available for $25 or so that do 50 capsules at a time. T

    he turmeric to fill them is incredibly cheap. Amazon list a 5 POUND bag of turmeric for only $23! That is 2.3 kilos or 2300 grams. There is 2 grams in a 1/4 teaspoon of turmeric, so this would be over a thousand days of turmeric supplement. Black pepper online is more expensive at around $11/pound, but you only need a pinch so it doesn’t add much to the cost of each day’s capsule. So assuming 2 grams of turmeric and a 1/2 a gram of black pepper each daily capsule would be a penny and a half for the capsule, 2.3 cents for the turmeric and 1.2 cents for the black pepper for a total of about 5 cents a day.

    Or you can do like my wife and I do and make a “spice cocktail”. We put a 1/4 teaspoon turmeric, a couple grinds of black pepper as a base and then add a pinch of other spices like ground cloves, ground ginger, nutmeg, cinnamon, and cardamom in a glass and mix with 3-4 ounces of plant milk. I add all of the above to mine and the result is somewhere between really strongly flavored liquid pumpkin pie and eggnog in flavor. We find it an easy way to get turmeric daily along with some of the highest antioxidant foods.

    • Thea

      Great tips!

    • http://www.mindfulbenefits.com Lisa Schmidt,MS,CN,NFModerator

      I wish I could see how healthy you are but your photo shows you in your spacesuit!!!

  • amywentvegan

    Is all turmeric considered to be organic? I was told that most turmeric comes from the same area of the world and that it is all organic. Skeptical

    • guest

      No, if the label doesn’t clearly say that the product is organic, it’s not organic. India has 1 billion+ people to feed and agrochemicals are a necessity there, so it’s worth paying extra to buy organic turmeric.

  • cmhodge

    Is the Y axis in the turmeric results (about 2 minutes into the video) the same as the control group? It just looks odd to me because the starting levels are so much higher in the turmeric group.

    • A Newton PhD RD_NF Mod

      Yes, they are on the same axis. Those in the Trial Group (receiving turmeric supplementation) began the trial with a higher average 24 hour urinary protein excretion (listed on the Y axis) than those in the control group (954.2 mg/d versus 527.7 mg/d).

  • maggie

    I’d like Dr. Greger to address on help for Sjogren’s disease which my my best friend is suffering with. She does do healthy supplements and herbs along with plant based diet yet is on so many meds including the awful prednizone.

    I myself have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis which is genetic and comes with it’s own problems. It’s amazing how this small organ can affect so many parts of the body including every cell.

    • DrAlex_NF_Moderator

      Maggie, just a couple of thoughts. One, for your friend with Sjogren’s and yourself with Hashimoto’s, it’s important to note that whole food plant based diets do indeed help with autoimmune disorders and their symptoms. That being said, we have to keep in mind that diet alone is not a cure-all, though we’d love it to be. Second, I think you will find that if someone with Sjogren’s or another autoimmune process switched from a plant based diet to the standard American diet, they would notice a tremendous exacerbation in their symptoms. Even in just looking at the video above where he shows the control v. study groups changes in proteinuria associated with Lupus, it got better with something as simple as turmeric, but didn’t necessarily resolve. My take home message is simply that plants can and do help, no doubt about it, but they may not fully resolve a problem. Hope this helps.

  • guest

    I found a cool way to incorporate turmeric to a diet on a daily basis – and it’s pretty tasty! Search “golden honey” – pure gold ;-)

  • Ruth Griffith

    tumeric heals so much

  • baggman744

    I’m sorry, but I don’t see how the first three referenced studies recommend turmeric… I mean at all.

    • A Newton PhD RD_NF Mod

      Hi Baggman, the first three cited studies do not recommend turmeric, they are used as citations to provide background information on autoimmune disorders so that you have a foundation for the recommendation. The final study listed under the cited section is where the recommendation came from (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21742514).

  • Trish

    For a Lupus patient….Tumeric is good for only the kidney’s or overall Lupus Health? My Lupus is very active right now and don’t know where to turn other than the Dr. Meds….thank you

    • A Newton PhD RD_NF Mod

      Hi Trish, I think the research on the benefits for all types of Lupus is still out. Additionally, I think the research has primarily focused on Lupus Nephritis. Here is the link to a review article on the benefits of turmeric http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/mnfr.201100741/epdf

    • Laurie Masters

      Hi there, Trish – It’s entirely possible to REVERSE your lupus with a WFPB diet (turmeric may help symptoms … but it’s more like how a particularly thick, sorbent mop would help you deal with a flooded bathroom floor. The dietary change, on the other hand, is like fixing the leaky pipe under the sink).

      My old friend Jill Harrington had severe lupus and turned it around more than 20 years ago, in 1995, after learning how to switch to an oil-free whole-food vegan diet, by visiting Dr. McDougall and the TrueNorth Health Center, both in Northern California. As a book editor, I helped her about a decade ago to write a book about her experience, called “The Lupus Recovery Diet.” You can check out her website and get a copy here: https://lupusrecoverydiet.com/

      (In the video on the home page, she says she has been free of lupus for over 13 years … but that video is very old now.) If you join Jill’s mailing list, she still sends out occasional emails with recipes and success stories of former lupus patients who read her book, changed their diets, and no longer suffer with the disease. Here’s the most recent email she sent:

      Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 8:26 AM

      Hello, It’s Jill, author of “The Lupus Recovery Diet” and I recently received an email from someone with lupus that I had to share with you:

      “Dear Jill, My life is a miracle. Your book got me on the right path to recovery, thank you! All my labs are normal, even my ANA is negative. I have no pain anymore! I suffered from lupus for 40 years! I lost 4 babies in the second trimester. I had chronic pain, fatique and stomach
      problems. Now it is all gone. I am so greatful to feel good. I did not follow your book exactly, explored a few additions and subtractions. For
      example I got depressed when I cut out salt, so I sprinkle a little on my food and it doesn’t affect me. It was hard to do at first, but so worth it. And it gets easier as you accept the new boundries, and the foods you eat begin to taste better and better!” Full of Joy, Nancy | Portland, Oregon.

      I hope this great news gives you hope, Trish!

      Laurie Masters | Freelance Editor | Precision Revision
      http://www.GreenSongPress.org

  • RaiderLegend

    After viewing many of the turmeric & curcumin videos I’m left with the question: Is it necessary to consume whole turmeric, versus a curcumin/piperine supplement, to receive its many health benefits, including inflammatory disorders, Alzheimers and for alleged anti-cancer benefits?

    • DrAlex_NF_Moderator

      Good question. Dr. Greger generally seems to suggest taking in turmeric itself rather than a curcumin supplement. 1) His “Daily Dozen” recommends 1/4 teaspoon of turmeric daily; 2) As he mentions in the above video and in the article Who Should Be Careful About Curcumin? mixing curcumin with black pepper can increase the amount of curcumin to levels that might do DNA damage (at least in a test tube…). Just a couple thoughts there…when in doubt I always go with the adage that it’s better consume the whole food itself rather than the extract. Many times there are other items in the whole food (i.e. turmeric powder which is just ground up turmeric root) that are not in the extract that are usually beneficial to us. For example, eating an apple or an orange is much better for us than drinking just the apple’s or orange’s juice. Hope this helps.

      • RaiderLegend

        Dr. Alex, How do I know if a supplement is whole turmeric or just isolated curcumin? The supplement I’ve been taking reads: Turmeric Extract (Curcuma Longa) 900mg (standardized to 95% curcuminoids) (root). Curcuminoids 855mg. Black pepper extract (Bioperine) 5mg.
        According to a well publish alternative health advocate, I should “Look for products standardized for 95% curcuminoids.” Thanks for your help.

        • DrAlex

          I honestly do not know. I tend to steer away from supplements in general (apart from B12) and choose to take in the “whole food”, in this case, ground turmeric. I may not always get the full daily dose Dr. Greger pushes for in his Daily Dozen, but this is a spice I do add to a lot of the foods I eat.

  • Loren

    Also it is important to pair turmeric with black pepper for the turmeric to be properly absorbed.

  • Louise Reed Kostecke

    good stuff stops my joint aches

  • Rhombopterix

    I’m a turmeric fanatic. Every dish gets a shake, we pack double ought caps full and swallow away, even wash with turmeric soap. I hope this vid helps convince more folks to try it. Ever hear of Dupteryn’s syndrom? Its when you get adhesions on your tendons, usually hands and feet. I was developing them on both hands and one foot. Hard annoying little knots and they can cripple your hand eventually. A few days ago I noticed that they are becoming softer and much reduced. I’ve been eating WFPB since 2011 but only been on the turmeric kick for about a year or less. So I’m sorta thinking maybe thats another thing turmeric does.

    Why/how could one thing be so active? Of course I could be wrong but where is the downside?

    There are more and more real Dr’s participating here… I wonder if it is possible for us to somehow orgainise a coalition of willing guinea pigs and try some sort of before and after list of ailments improved with turmeric? That would be cool. We’d have to come up with simple quantitative measures that people could standarize on. I’m dreaming arent I? heh. Eat turmermeric! and hallucinate! Groovy

    • Tom Goff

      Interesting. I have had Dupuytren’s Syndrome, affecting both hands and both feet, since I was 28 (you know, back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth). It stabilised decades ago so it hasn’t been a major problem.
      While I do consume turmeric and black pepper daily, it’s a small amount. The downside of higher amounts though is the potential for DNA damage and consequently increased cancer risk.
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16537656

      • Rhombopterix

        Maybe. I guess they should know. I interpret their results differently from them. but I would never tell you to eat curcumin if you think it will give you cancer.

        My Dupuytren’s (thanks for spelling right) was progressing. If yours is stable probably good not to rock the boat. Do you think it stabilised when you went WFPB? any connection?

        • Rhombopterix

          Oh right, I dont equate curcumin with turmeric root powder but you seem to. By analogy to beer and ethanol, you know. Up to a point beer is good for you (and proves that there is a god and that she loves us :) but ethanol is not good for you and will harm you. It seems humans are driven to find a good thing, analyze it and turn it into something wicked.

          Also, that DNA damage thing, that paper is really weak. They used DMSO to carry the curcumin into the cells in vitro. DMSO is a known super solvent and is likely to affect the activity of curcumin. I’m not arguing that DNA damage did not occur. I do think the experimental design requires more thought on drug delivery mechanism that is closer to reality. Other aspects of the discussion are illogical too but I don’t wish to argue these points, rather…

          …it seems that the current view is that we all have constant DNA damage happening and we all have cells that transform into cancer all the time. We don’t all develop disease because a healthy immune system usually finds and kills these baddies before they kill us.

          Moreover, I don’t see any means to equate the in vitro levels of curcumin that they used to the dietary levels curry eaters get. How high is too high? They reference studies using 4 and 8 grams of pure curcumin. That is off the chart compared to a similar weight of ground turmeric root spread out over daily eating patterns.

          • Tom Goff

            You are probably right. On the other hand, there are no long term safety trials of heavy turmeric consumption. They have done short term trials (months) and found no adverse effects. But not long term trials …
            Also, any substance which when ingested has a physiological effect, is by definition a drug. So, turmeric is a drug and I don’t like to push the envelope with drugs.

            No, diet didn’t seem to have much effect on my Dupuytren’s. It stabilised long before I went fully vegetarian (although I never liked meat even as a kid). I just followed the specialist’s advice to exercise the hands and not (or at least limit) exercise the feet So, I gave up running and instead walked and cycled. And used orthotics for the feet. It is possible of course that as I became increasingly vegetarian over the years, this is what reduced and then halted disease progression but there were no dramatic changes. It’s very difficult to estimate causation in such circumstances.

            Good luck with yours – I ended up having some minor surgery on my hands about 25 years ago. However, the specialist in London also said, before I moved to Oz, not to let them operate on my feet because the fibrous nodules come back even worse than before.

          • Vege-tater

            Might be part of the reason India is so populous despite it’s issues?

          • Vege-tater

            Again and again we see that the whole food source is our best bet. Turmeric is a lovely spice with complementary components, and curcumin extracted is a drug. Guess I trust nature more than man…look what a mess we’ve gotten the world into yet we persist in control!
            Ha ha Rhomb, you scored brownie points with the women with your God comment!
            You mentioned alcohol…I often wonder if some of the conflicting results of studies has anything to do with the fact that traditionally fermented wines, beer, etc. have the nutrient enhancements and microbial probiotic populations and offer benefits, where manufactured versions are the empty imitations equivalent to any processed food? I’ve made a few simple, fruity, unfiltered, alcoholic ferments that rocked and were certainly “good for me”!

  • Kitty13

    Dr. Greger – Thank you for all your wonderful work. Would you please consider remove the animal experimentation part of this video? The animal experiments content and photo is abhorrent. Thank you again!

  • Valerie

    Would turmeric improve Lupus joint pain?

    • https://www.facebook.com/DarchiteRD/ Darchite RD – NF Moderator

      Thanks for your question! I am a Registered Dietitian and I one of the Moderators at NF.

      I have tried to search for information to on this particular topic and here is what I found, turmeric in certain doses can help joint inflammation, swelling and prevent bone degeneration (1). However, all these studies were done on rats.

      On the other hand, I highly recommend you watch this video to see if turmeric is appropriate for you or not.

      Hope this answer helps!

  • Matthew Smith

    Vitamin D, as you recommend, I think is good for Lupus. Turmeric, superior to its parts, is rich in Iron and Manganese. Perhaps Hibiscus tea, which also has these atoms, would be good for lupus. People have been told to avoid Iron, but you recommend it for women. Perhaps Lupus is a deficiency disease brought about by poor medical convention.

  • guest

    Redit AMA going on right now about the new Fed diatary guidelines changes if anyone wants to chime in and ask a question. Maybe about the omitting of dietary cholesterol limits that we all know is from lobbing efforts.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/4br5g7/science_ama_series_im_vasanti_malik_research/

    • guest

      I just read a reply in that AMA from the Harvard chair person who is answering the questions. The person stated: ” there is very limited evidence to support a low-fat diet”.

      No one low-fat WFPB chimed in to talk about low-fat plant based diets. But lots of keto people! The number one reason the plant based message doesn’t get heard is lack of involvement by us plant based eaters in public forums like reddit. Come on peeps! Go to the reddit and make your low fat plant based voice be heard! We need your support.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/4br5g7/science_ama_series_im_vasanti_malik_research/

  • Robert Atcheson

    Hey Joe, any recommendations for what one might eat who has “polymyositis?”

  • Graham

    “For example, chemo drugs, like Cytoxan and cyclophosphamide”

    Cytoxan is cyclophosphamide!

  • M

    I’m posting here because I don’t know where else to go. I don’t have any plant based doctors in my area and I’m really struggling with the effects of this diet. I just can’t seem to lose any weight. I’m almost 30 years old, 5’8, 145lbs and I’ve been vegan for almost a year now. I’m being honest when I say that I’ve been eating as clean as possible this past year. High carb, low fat, lots of fruits/vegetables/whole grains, minimal processed food and oil (maybe 1-2 times a month), 1800-2000cals a day. I do 1 hour of yoga every day and 30-40 minutes of cardio 4 times a week. I haven’t lost a single pound. It’s really frustrating to be eating the healthiest diet on the planet and consistently working out without seeing any physical changes. I’ve also had a lot of stomach issues (gas, intense bloating, constipation which is crazy considering all the fiber I eat, etc.)

    My mom, who went vegan a couple of months after I did, has GAINED 40lbs. She’s in her early 50s, has never been overweight, and she walks/climbs stairs daily. I know this sounds crazy and it is! We are both so, so frustrated. I’ve read How Not to Die, I’ve read The Starch Solution. I don’t know what we’re doing wrong but it’s so discouraging. Not to mention really difficult to promote plant based eating when you’re gaining weight or unable to lose it. People are always commenting about my mom’s weight and telling her to go back to eating meat (which will never happen because we are both ethical vegans!) We’ve tried cutting out smoothies, cutting down on calories, eating more vegetables than carbs but nothing seems to work.

    I so want to be one of those people who magically loses 20 pounds on this diet but it’s just not happening. ANY suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. Especially for my mom who has ALWAYS been slim, this has been a huge shock for her physically and emotionally.

    • Rhombopterix

      Hi M. You are in the right place. A lot of us have lost the weight that dogged us for decades by eating whole plant foods and boosting our activity. But lets be straight, if you’re looking for magic better pack up and go see Dr. Oz. No magic here, it just feels that way.

      I started out in 2011 at 238. That is burned into my memory like a branding iron. Now I’m 185, 5’9″ 62 year male. And I’m still losing slowly. After watching FoK and reading the China Study and everything to do with the whole foods idea, starting with Kempner, Pritikin, Ornish right through to the most excellent educator of them all Dr. (Prof!) Michael Greger, I started to reeducate myself.

      My 2 cents? Go into your heart of hearts. Honestly ask yourself if you are ready to change. I dont know any other way to say it…Are you ready to change who you are at the very core? Mind you, this is not a question will power…rather it is about accepting that there are no loop holes, no excuses and no one to rely on for your health except yourself. I hope this doesnt sound hurtful, although there will certainly be some hurt.

      Consider your options. Keep wondering whats going wrong for you or find out for yourself. How much should you weigh eating 1800 cal’s per day? I can tell you that losing fat, in my opinion is the wrong goal. When I gave up on that and threw away that guy who was running to scales every morning to see how much he’d lost and refocused my attention on learning actual nutrition, well maybe that is the magic. My clothes got looser and my jaw dropped when I stepped on the scales.

      You’ll find a lot of support here. Use the search box and have some fun nurturing the new you. Our examples prove that you CAN do it. All the best.

    • Graham

      You can’t lose weight if you consume more calories then you expend no matter what you eat. Have a look at this site https://happyherbivore.com/2013/04/not-losing-weight-plant-based-why-how-to/ and also estimate your basal metabolic rate. http://www.shape.com/weight-loss/tips-plans/ask-diet-doctor-how-many-calories-should-i-eat-lose-weight

    • HeidiH

      I also know that a lot of people eat too many nuts and seeds and they really pack the calories in. Just a thought. Good idea to cut out the smoothies for now. I always tell my patients to eat their calories rather than drink their calories. Keep us posted. You are on the right track for sure. On other note. My brother almost killed himself going vegan. No animal products but was eating candy, potato chips, and salad, all vegan. They nearly hospitalized him as they could not figure out why he was so sick. It was his DIET.

    • Vege-tater

      I can relate M, I have no doubts I am eating real food and no added junk of any kind. Though when I started I was morbidly obese so lost over 150 pounds initially, reversed diabetes and a bunch of other nasty stuff, and generally feel better than I have in ages, like you, I am stumped on how to lose the last 40 pounds to be in the “healthy weight” category and reduce the strain on my old worn out body parts. I really watch even higher fat whole foods because of the diabetes and weight issues and I KNOW WFPB works amazingly, but ad libitum, for whatever reason, doesn’t work for me! I even understand the energy density concept, but I guess after a life time of yo yo-ing up and down including diet pills and starvation, my body is just more confused, lol! We are apparently in the minority but do exist, though the assumption always is we are fooling ourselves! Now what would be the point when asking for help and putting it out there? I am going to try Dr McDougalls max weight loss plan, and in fact “Mary’s mini” which is a very simple basic “diet” to kickstart some progress hopefully! It’s in their archives if you are interested….Wish us luck!.

      • Rhombopterix

        Dr McDougalls max weight loss plan, and in fact “Mary’s mini” which is a very simple basic “diet” to kickstart some progress hopefully! It’s in their archives if you are interested….Wish us luck!.

        I do! and I think you will find Dr. M’s plan will work. I tried it for a while and it did.

        Also, you know, ad lib…telling me something like that is like saying “open bar ” at a social. Yeah right.

        What I had to do was stop eating as soon as i stopped feeling hungry. Like the other day my wife and I had lunch together. I got about 4 or 6 bites into my bean burger and just didn’t feel hungry anymore. So I stopped eating. I put the food away and later in the PM I finished it. That made supper much lighter and i could sleep through a lot of the night.

        M didn’t give her height but isn’t 1800 cals a lot for most women who wish to lose weight?

    • Julie

      Sounds frustrating, M! Your stomach issues may be clues to a food sensitivity. What new foods are you eating or eating more of on your vegan diet? Soy and wheat and gluten often cause sensitivities, while gluten and wheat can cause weight gain. Maybe by analyzing all the differences between your old and current diet (like using https://cronometer.com/), you can pin point the differences, then look into those more thoroughly. In “Becoming Vegan”, Brenda Davis recommends that people having weight issues should limit their grain intake. I think just trying gluten and soy-free for a few weeks may prove to be quite interesting for you and your mom. Best of luck!

    • Thea

      M: Let me tell you, I get it.

      I just answered a similar post from someone else. I think this post would help you too. If you are interested, take a look: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/nutritionfacts/four_brazil_nuts_once_a_month/#comment-2595416630 I hope that this gives you some helpful ideas!

  • Elise

    I’ve read (other places) that the turmeric needs to be heated to be optimally bio-available, and there are numerous recipes for “golden paste” floating around. Thoughts?

    • KPLindsey, NF Moderator

      I thought I’d chime in – even though I don’t know the answer!- because I have been doing a bit of research on tumeric, curcumin, and bioavailability for my own reasons. I had been taking curcumin with piperine, an extract of black pepper that increases the bioavailability of curcumin. However, I started thinking… Since for me, the intended site of action of the antiinflammatory benefits of curcumin is the digestive system, I started wondering whether maybe I should not worry too much about getting the curcumin absorbed, and leave it in my GI tract, adjacent to the tissue I’m targeting! Later, I started adding fresh whole turmeric to a morning veggie juice cocktail. Rambling aside, I think multiple different forms of turmeric and turmeric extracts are useful and that they produce a spectrum of overlapping effects that probably varies from tissue to tissue depending on how they are processed and administered. My strategy is to try lots of formats (not all at once) and reap the benefits of each.

  • June Ribaldi

    Whatever you do Make sure its ORGANIC. Hard to find fresh organic turmeric root best to grow what you can simple them dehydrate it then grind into powder make your own gel caps.. non organic turmeric root is coated drench in Colbolt 60 radioactive I mistakenly took fresh a few moths ago Organic turmeric runs 12.99 FRESH ORGANIC

    • Jim Felder

      There is so much confusion about the irradiation of food. Irradiation of food does not make food radioactive. It is unfortunate that the same root word is used to describe the radioactive element itself and the electromagnetic radiation emitted by some radioactive elements like cobalt 60 that can be used to sterilize items like spices. Cobalt 60 is a radioactive material that emits gamma rays. It is the gamma rays and not the cobalt 60 that kill all the bacteria and insects that might be hiding in the spices. The cobalt itself is kept in a sealed container. Food being sterilized is continuous monitored as it leaves the sterilization chamber makes sure that there was no breach in the container allowing any cobalt 60 to come into contact with the food. So no radioactive material ever comes into contact with the food.

      The gamma rays are a product of the radioactive cobalt, not somehow inherently radioactive in themselves. In fact they are just another, higher frequency of “light”. The gamma rays are absorbed by the food (and any pests it might contain) in the same way that your skin absorbs sunlight. Once absorbed a photon no longer exists, so once it leaves the sterilization chamber there are no gamma rays somehow “in” the food any more than there is somehow sunlight still “in” your skin when you come inside. The difference between gamma rays and sunlight, and why they are used in sterilization, is that the energy in each gamma ray photon is enough to knock an electron free from the atom that absorbs it. This is called “ionization” and is why gamma rays (and xrays) are called ionizing radiation. This ionization is enough to break chemical bonds. If a living organism absorbs enough gamma rays it will die. But only if the organism is sitting in the beam of gamma rays.

      Further gamma rays can not make anything radioactive. Induced radioactivity is possible inside nuclear reactors where the nucleus of non-radioactive materials can absorb high energy neutrons generated inside the reactor and are transmuted into another element. But gamma rays only can affect the electrons not the nucleus.

  • Ruth Griffith

    just read how not to die it is one great book thank you , i have always thought that meat was a cause to many diseases and of course sugar is a huge no , if people would think of how we were made from dirt if one believes in god it tells you that , so whats in dirt roots minerals leaves stems flowers all plant based

  • Ruth Griffith

    my sister ha s lymes and lupes i cook all her food before she could hardly walk even had a stroke and a heart attack i got her to live with me put her on herbs , spices and plant based food she can now walk and her lupes and lymes has not got worse

  • King_Harvest

    I have two idiopathic auto-immune conditions: uveitis and hypothyroidism. I’m wondering if there are any foods that I should avoid if I have an overactive immune system. Does anyone have any advice?

  • Esmeralda

    Have sjogren’s and raynauds. Mother died @ 53 of a sjogren’s leukemia. 3 primary ‘sites’ of sjogren’s cancers are: (1) blood, (2) lung (tumor); (3) salivary gland tumor. Just got diagnosed with # 3. Any dietary suggestions? Obviously tumeric………….which is on Dr. G’s daily dozen. Any other items 2 include in my diet – items 2 avoid? Thanks all.

  • debra

    I started taking a teaspoon of organ cumin everyday in almond milk. I have noticed what I think is a side effect. My hands all of a sudden got very dry and sensitive. If this related? Its never been an issue before and the only thing I am doing differently is this addition to my food. thanks.

  • debra

    I started taking 1 teaspoon everyday of organic turmeric with almond mild as suggested by Dr. Greger. Its been a few weeks now and I think I have developed a side effect. My hands have become very sensitive, red and dry. I have never had this happen before. Any opinions on this, thanks!

  • Ellen

    Is there any research on hypothyroidism improving with diet like diabetes, heart disease and other ailments do? That is my biggest struggle and the thing that seems to interfere with getting my cholesterol below my 186 “threshold”. (It will go down, but “yoyos” with any change in my hypothyroidism.) Other sites mention eating high fat and fish and other such things as “cures” for hypothyroidism; I know those are a bad idea. It’d be great to see a video on that topic if the research covers it.