Doctor's Note

It’s bad enough when supplement manufacturers exploit adults when they’re sick and vulnerable with pills that are often useless or worse, but taking advantage of our parental drive to do what’s best for our children with contaminated products that may make them sick, makes me sick.

More on supplements in:

And speaking of which, Is Fish Oil Just Snake Oil?

What about omega 3’s for our child’s growing brain? See my video Mercury vs. Omega-3s for Brain Development

We can also be exposed to PCBs in food. See Food Sources of PCB Chemical Pollutants.

More on the polluted aquatic food chain in:

What can we do to lower the risk of childhood asthma and other allergic-type diseases? See:

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  • HemoDynamic, M.D.

    This brings up an interesting point. Vegan vs Non-Vegan moms for DHA from breast milk. As you have said before in some of your research there has been question if mothers should breast feed if they eat a lot of animal products because of the toxin levels associated with non-vegan human breast milk.
    Regardless, however, it looks like Boobs are better! Unfortunately, I’m not an infant anymore. ;-3

    • ReluctantVegan

      Dr. HemoDynamic,

      This is off subject, but I didn’t know how else to contact you. I need help finding a Vegan friendly, nutrition knowledgeable MD in the Kansas City area. Do you know how I find one? My husband and I became vegan Jan 2014 because of this website and have experienced many health benefits from it, but about 5 mo into it, my husband (55, fairly “healthy” and active) suddenly got a life threatening Warm Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia with DVT and PE, during which was “discovered” hemochromatosis (which I think is spurious because I think the labs were probably incorrect due to the hemolysis and other acute phase reactants interfering with the tests). He was put on Xarelto (factor Xa inhibitor) to prevent further clotting, and 70mg/day prednisone for 2 mo with taper of 10mg q 2 weeks ’till 20mg/day reached [prednisone is working, hgb is 15mg/dL now], and antibiotics to prevent infection while on prednisone. Not finding any risk factors or “usual” causes for the DVT and PE, the hematologist referred us to the rheumatologist, who now says he has SLE (lupus) based on lab results (some of which can be false positives in those on anticoagulants). This Rheumy prescribed Cellcept (forever) to obliterate the immune system to thwart SLE organ damage, but we are very uncomfortable with a) the validity of the diagnosis, and b) with all these long-term dangerous drugs. Also, I feed us based on knowledge gained from this site, which is all about boosting the immune system – yet – in SLE, a powerful immune system may not be the best thing – so I worried my attempts to improve his health by diet may actually be contraindicated in this autoimmune case (?). I really need help, but want someone who leans first towards food as medicine, and only second towards pharmaceuticals, and I don’t know how to find that someone. Can you help me find someone, or point me in the right direction?

      • HemoDynamic, M.D.

        Wow, what a crazy series of events! Congratulations of starting a healthier lifestyle! As you probably know it is hard for me to really help without seeing all the lab work etc.

        The ONLY lifestyle change I have ever seen anyone improve their autoimmune disorder(s) (eg. Rheumatoid arthritis, Lupus, Crohns, Ulcerative colitis, Multiple sclerosis) was with a varied, whole food plant based diet. So food wise you are on the correct path with the dietary changes.

        Make sure your husband is taking at least 2500mcg per week of Vitamin B12, Vitamin D3 2000 units daily, Vegan DHA/EPA 200-300mg daily and have at least 3-4 walnuts or one tablespoon of ground flax seed daily.

        You are correct in that we want to boost our immune system but in a Good way. Boosting the immune system with animal products causes an inflammatory boost not an anti-inflammatory boost. Most plants work in the antinflammatory realm. I have some patients that cannot tolerate potatoes, peppers and tomatoes (Nightshade famlily) because they tend to be inflammatory in them but this is rare.
        Finding a doc is hard but ask around at health food stores, google, contact a local Vegan group to see who they use. Dr. McDougall used to have a listing of vegan docs but I cannot find it on his sight at this time.

        I hope this helps

        • ReluctantVegan

          Thanks for your reply! I followed your lead to the McDougall site – neat site – glad I visited.

      • ponysong

        Reluctant Vegan Have you seen this list compiled by Happy Herbivore? I wish you and your husband all the best in finding your way to health!https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fE8SDNAWkVPxhfpTaleAlZn9ZxmhlkDEomGmTOydCu4/edit#gid=609419254

        • ReluctantVegan

          I hadn’t seen that list, Ponysong, thank you!

      • PlantBasedBeliever

        ReluctantVegan,

        Stumbled upon this thread – you are definitely on the right track with a plant based diet. What your husband’s body needs, though, to heal itself is a steady diet of juicing. Not your Wal-Mart variety of juicer, but a powerful, masticating juicer that breaks down the cell walls of fruits and veg (we use a Champion Juicer). This allows the power packed nutrition from fruits and vegetables (more than we could possibly eat) to be absorbed directly into the bloodstream, bypassing digestion. When you free the body from the arduous task of digesting food frequently, and add the powerful arsenal of nutrients provided through juicing, it is able to begin the job of healing whatever is wrong, rather than working full-time just to keep you alive.

        Our family found a Naturopathic doctor in Tulsa when we nearly lost my three year old granddaughter five years ago, when the doctors ran every test imaginable and still could not find the reason she could not seem to grow and gain weight. She was literally starving to death before our eyes, and the docs all shook their heads and recommended a feeding tube. We were directed to Dr. Robbins by a friend of a friend, and he saved her life. She is now a healthy, active 8 year old. Dr. Robbins has helped twelve members of my family since then. Last year, following his diet and supplement plan along with juicing, I reversed early stage Type II diabetes, lowered my cholesterol and triglycerides dramatically, lowered my blood pressure – everything to within normal range within three months!

        We don’t live in OK, Dr. Robbins does phone consults. I cannot recommend him highly enough. http://drjoelrobbins.com

        I also recommend watching the video (available to watch online) “Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead”. This was so informative for us, regarding juicing and a plant based diet. Life changing.
        Wishing you all the best, and God bless you both!

        • ReluctantVegan

          Yes! Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead was the very first diet-health video we ever watched. That was when we were still eating SAD. We started juicing (on top of SAD) just to get our veggies – because we hated veggies at that time. But once we started actually eating (I mean chewing) more veg, and then later became vegetarian, and then later moved on to vegan, we stopped juicing thinking that we were getting enough veggies as vegetarians/vegans. Hmmm. I’ll think about your suggestion. Thanks for the link to your doc!

  • brec

    “PCBs were detected in all products.”

    Yes, but how much? “The does makes the poison.”

    The cited source says, “When following serving size suggestions, mean daily exposure values ranged from 2.5 to 50.3 ng PCBs/day.”

    The EPA’s maximum contaminant level for PCBs in drinking water (note 0) is 0.0005 mg/L, which is 5,000 ng/L. So the maximum observed mean contamination level in a children’s daily dose of fish oil is about 1/100 of the ECA’s MCL per liter of drinking water.

    Notes:
    (0) http://water.epa.gov/drink/contaminants/basicinformation/polychlorinated-biphenyls.cfm

    • b00mer

      The dose does make the poison except for in the case of carcinogens, which by definition have no threshold. Exposure to young children who have that much more time to allow for tumor development is even more problematic. Why deliberately expose your children to more carcinogenic substances than necessary?

      • Plantstrongdoc M.D.

        Agree. The safe upper limit for PCB is probably zero. “A little poison is okay” makes absolutely no sense. The problem is that you get hundreds of different kinds of toxins everyday – if you are under the threshold for every toxin, you are safe!? That is BS. There are probably a synergistic effect, making it even more dangerous.

        • Arjan den Hollander.

          Alle Dinge sind Gift, und nichts ist ohne Gift; allein die dosis machts, daß ein Ding kein Gift sei.
          All things are poison and nothing is without poison; only the dose makes a thing not a poison.

          That synergistic effect can be argued against, in fact life is nothing but trying to get the best reproductive result out of the ocean of poison wherein it exists. The body bulk detoxifies plethora of compounds from mouth to mitochondria no matter how clean you live. Modern pollution in the longer run of evolution might actually help us evolve into more sturdy organisms even, although that won’t help the readers having to deal with the harsh end of the stick of evolution ^^.

          Anyway gearing up to rid yourself of one poison may very well defend against a different poison that lingers undetected.
          Each of every 100.000 or so plant synergy compounds are all poisons in their own right, the synergy effect could very well come from steps taken to get rid of them and along with them the less or non detected poisons.

          Taking different poisons at very low dose could very well make them less dangerous.
          If anyone has research done in that, please post!

          • Gar Zuzik

            thankyou for calling into question the tapwater content of pcb’s. I would love to know the truth about that, but to question it and not simply take it as truth will benefit all watchers/readers in my opinion.

          • Arjan den Hollander.

            As long as there are people who rely on tap water because they cannot afford better, that level should be your benchmark.
            Any talk of better will be a social and economic class problem first and a health issue second.

            If there are issues with PCB content in drinking water that battle should be fought before the tap not after the tap.

        • Gar Zuzik

          The hormetic impact of chemicals should not be simplified I believe. Our body is extremely complex. You are infact benefiting greatly by consuming plant chemicals designed to hurt you and ultimately prevent you from eating them, but overtime we adapted and benefit from it when it is in an appropriate dose.

          Eating less meat will benefit highly by reducing lipophilic harmful toxins.
          I was nearly chemophobic for much of life, so this mind set has done much positive emotional/psychological benefit.

      • Jamveggie

        So according to your logic, boomer, should these children abstain from drinking water? And I am not being sarcastic. Just following your line of reason.

        • b00mer

          Hi Jamveggie, not at all. There are two central points that I would make in regards to avoiding toxin exposure and to PCBs (and other carcinogens) specifically:

          First, there are many different classes of toxins. In addition to whether a specific substance at certain conditions poses an acute or chronic threat, which could change depending on duration or timing of exposure, concentration, phase, administration route, etc, there are also different categories we apply to toxic substances according to either target organ/system: reproductive, teratogenicity, respiratory, etc, as well as by the action of the substance itself: sensitizer, irritant, mutagen, carcinogen, etc. All of this needs to be taken into account when describing any substance as a toxin. Exposure to the same substance in two different situations could be either completely harmless or disastrous.

          In addition, a given toxin at given conditions may cause a finite amount of damage, while another may have more lasting effects. For instance you might spill something on your skin, cause a burn, which then heals completely. On the other hand a substance could have a sensitizing effect, setting you up for recurring injury as a result of future exposures which otherwise would not have had any noticeable effect. In addition some substances without mutagenic character themselves, if causing irritation and inflammation can promote cancerous changes in cases of chronic exposure. However, in all these cases, a dosage at which damage occurs can be determined, and if exposure is limited to levels before that threshold, significant deleterious effects resulting from that exposure can be avoided.

          However when it comes to toxins specifically labeled as carcinogens, in theory, one molecule with carcinogenic character interacting with one molecule of DNA which will then go on to replicate exponentially has the potential to lead to cancer. Of course our bodies are designed to respond to carcinogenic exposure, and there are means to physically repair the DNA, as well as checkpoints designed to keep cells from becoming cancerous, proliferating once cancerous, metastasizing, etc, so we needn’t all live in a bubble. But, exposure to carcinogenic toxins is particularly problematic in a way that others aren’t and this is why there is technically no threshold for carcinogens, even though somewhat arbitrarily and unscientific safe levels of exposure may sometimes be stated.

          That said, I think the second main point, which becomes much more critical when discussing carcinogens as opposed to other toxins, is the necessity of exposure. Suppose you’re buying a new home, you’ve narrowed it down to two, both equal in all respects except one has a basement full of radon. Would you needlessly expose your children to a carcinogenic gas if you didn’t have to? If for some reason that house was indeed a better choice, would you intentionally choose not to have a ventilation system installed to attenuate the risk? Likewise why feed children a DHA supplement with higher levels of carcinogens when there is an option with lower levels? We don’t have the option to not consume water, so all we can do is drink up and hope for the best. Plant foods have toxins in them, albeit at lower levels than animal foods, but again we don’t have the option to not eat food, so we make our choices wisely with the information we have, and hope our bodies can handle the load.

          But in other areas of life, increasing our exposure is completely optional and there’s simply no reason to do so.

          • Gar Zuzik

            Well done, that was a very non-emotionally driving response which was beneficial for the discussion. (let’s not forget the definition of plant’s proposed beneficial components “phytochemicals”. There are videos online that and evidence stated within NF.org about broccoli spouts and how too many consumed will cause problematic impacts on the thyroid (and cancer,metabolism ect.. as a result). {dr. Ray Peat and

            AncestryFoundation

    • b00mer

      Also, government regulations on maximum toxin exposure limits are notoriously generous; personally I would consider using them to inform personal decisions of consumption to be ill-advised.

    • Rationalist

      If this is true then it makes the PCB largely irrelevant in the context of its benefit provided the fish oil is sustainable. Why go after fish oil? Answer- Dr. Gregor is vegan.

      • Gar Zuzik

        Is only one study to demonstrate the complexity and amazing synergistic nature of humans and plants when consumed in whole food forms. {We plant them, they help us is one perspective for why we benefit so highly from even tiny doses of tumeric, green tea, flax ect.}
        But, not in a whole food form and Dr. Ray Peat illustrates through his literature (almost painfully in depth with details), foods can have a completely different response in the body.

      • Gar Zuzik

        There are numerous other perspectives that speak of the harms
        (risk:reward ratio), example Dr. Ray Peat in terms of poly unsaturated
        fatty acids (PUFA’s) and rancidity.

        Cancer Chemoprevention With Nuts
        Is
        only one study to demonstrate the complexity and amazing synergistic
        nature of humans and plants when consumed in whole food forms. {We plant
        them, they help us is one perspective for why we benefit so highly from
        even tiny doses of tumeric, green tea, flax ect.}
        But, not in a
        whole food form and Dr. Ray Peat illustrates through his literature
        (almost painfully in depth with details), foods can have a completely
        different response in the body.

    • Arjan den Hollander.

      Among 122 mother-infant pairs, we identified four milk samples with total PCB levels that were significantly higher than the rest, with estimated total PCBs ranging from 1,100 to 2,400 ng/g milk fat compared with an overall mean of 320 ng/g milk fat for the 122 women.
      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9681980

      6 months average 750 ml 4% fat in gr 7.5 x 4 = 30 x 320ng = 9600 ng PCBs/day from breast milk.
      Makes the max mean daily intake with the fish oils of 50.3 ng/day now looks positively recommendable compared to breast milk,
      yet breast milk is still the better option.

      Conclusion should be that PCBs are not responsible for the IQ difference between fish oil supplements and breast milk.
      These numbers would suggest PCBs are not even responsible for the difference between fish oil and algea DHA,
      and focus should shift towards finding the real culprit and or the truly brain supporting nutritional magic that seems to come from teets.

      This was found in a few minutes BTW, support staff should have picked this up as not useful in the proof read.
      I hope that the staff can appreciate brec in pointing out the flaw, better him than extra arrows in the hands of the egg, fish, meat or dairy boards.

      Fear mongering by overshooting the point of practicality should not be a tool used by this site anyway.
      I know it is deeply ingrained in culture USA but the stress it can cause is equally poisonous for people as are processed foods.
      It also leaves you all open for ridicule, litigation and bad press, keep the message useful positive and focused on what actually can be changed.
      The field of report-able subjects must be thinning that should not mean the only option is reporting with lower standards or standards beyond practicability.

      Nutritionfacts boasts 1500 video’s, of those a pretty big number could use an update a little tweak here and there or combine a few.
      Boosting the value per minute of view time for newcomers by updating re-doing and upping graphics on older video’s,
      so one can actually read what is being reported on, like the newer video’s, will also be time well spent toward enhancing the site.
      Results can be posted as new video’s with big messages updated to the knowledge of now.

      • Gar Zuzik

        We have an over-simplification epidemic, within the nutrition field especially. Ex: almonds are not only simply Vitamin E, and by stating so we are causing the true message to be lost.

    • Gar Zuzik

      I would like to learn more about this as well, and I commend you for thinking of this deeply. I believe personally that is not just the PCB that is a problem within these fish oils, but also the numerous other chemicals, the combination/synergistic effect, the addiction of fat that allows for storage for long periods of time/mulch-generational, and also *the absence of fiber*, which allows for oxidation of the fish oils (Dr. Ray peat).

      A great point also would be the simple addition of tea to drinking water can alter the PCB and other negative impacting parts.

    • tedster

      0.0005 mg/L is actually 500 ng/L.

      • brec

        Right; so my second para. should be corrected to:

        The EPA’s maximum contaminant level for PCBs in drinking water …
        is 0.0005 mg/L, which is 500 ng/L. So the maximum observed mean
        contamination level in a children’s daily dose of fish oil is about
        1/10 of the ECA’s MCL per liter of drinking water.

  • Ariel Gail MacLean

    so is mom the best source of omega 3 because she is the filter? is mom bioaccumulating it for her baby’s benefit?

  • Shirley L Roy-Poche

    Wouldn’t the real problem with asking “how much” be to assume that anyone can know what another individuals lifetime of exposure will be?

  • Charzie

    I don’t have babies anymore, but this video paradoxically makes me feel kind of relieved that I can’t afford to buy supplements overall! Even though at the core I believe if we have an ideal diet we should be able to get all that we need from our food…1) what actually IS an ideal diet, and 2) these days even if we were able to attain it, with all the stressors, depletions and toxins, how much is our vigilance going to count for? The temptation to supplement is there, as added “insurance”, but as we’ve seen many times, that often creates more problems than it cures because we simply are not sophisticated enough to comprehend the intricate biological processes that compose, enliven and maintain us. (Of course that’s why we come here, so we can stay as current as possible!) Still, with the possible exception of a good natural veg. multi-vitamin if one feels so inclined, and of course unless a specific deficiency is evident, for now it’s probably safest (cheapest for sure) to get our nutrition from food, and leave the supplements on the shelf.

    • Plantstrongdoc M.D.

      If your are a vegan it is essential to take a supplement with B12. Consider vitamin D as a supplement unless you get sufficient sunshine .Other supplements to consider if you are vegan are Selenium, Iodine, and calcium.

      • Daniel Wagle

        WHY Selenium, when ONE Brazil Nut has 137% of the daily recommended allowance for Selenium http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3091/2? I eat two a day. Iodine is more than adequate with sea vegetables- just one tablespoon of dulse has 500% of the RDI for iodine http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=135. I have to admit, I still salt my food to get my iodine and don’t consume sea vegetables. Just one tablespoon of blackstrap mollasses has 20% of the RDI for calcium. I do use this everyday, but I still drink one cup of fortified soymilk everyday- for the protein, calcium as well as B12. I also eat almonds, and turnip greens for calcium. Zinc might be something to consider. One can get zinc on a plant based diet, but getting a lot may be more difficult. It would take about 4 or 5 ounces of pumpkin seeds each day to get enough. I take a prostate supplement which has a lot of zinc, but I also eat one ounce of pumpkins each day.

        • b00mer

          Just curious Daniel, how do you eat the tablespoon of molasses? Straight up? Do you mix it in something? I love molasses in desserts and the odd barbecue style entree but I’ve never figured out how to incorporate it on a daily basis.

          • Darryl

            Ruth Heidrich (a personal hero) adds it to her breakfast salad. We can perhaps take a cue and incorporate it in salad dressings.

          • elsie blanche

            Darryl, I too am a huge fan of Ruth’s, but after reading her “daily vegan meal plan” (from the link you provided), I can’t seem to see how one could survive on such few calories and nutrients. It just doesn’t seem adequate. Maybe I am missing something here, yeah? Thanks for any thought on this.

          • Darryl

            I’ve always assumed that this was sort of a base diet, as adding everything using CRON-o-meter, including 2 cups air-popped popcorn, I get only 1400 calories, about 400 short of a sedentary woman’s needs, much less those an active runner. This diet’s also about half sugars (from all the fruit and molasses) which might present problems for those of us who aren’t slender athletes. This is Ruth’s old website, the seven day meal plan in her A Race for Life appears much more starchy and likely to be satiating, though protein is still on the low side.

          • b00mer

            Very interesting. That is quite the nutritarian menu if ever I saw one. Don’t think I could handle a salad for breakfast but the molasses/nutritional yeast combo as a dressing is quite intriguing. Also found a nice looking dijon/lemon/molasses based one on the search results. Thanks for the info!

          • Daniel Wagle

            I put it in my Oatmeal, along with the two tablespoons of ground flaxseed that I eat everyday. The molasses is good in the oatmeal. I have to admit, I also add one tablespoon of brown sugar as well, along with two tablespoons of peanut butter, as well as a tablespoon of carob powder. I use 3/4’s cup of dry oats to make this. I am eating my oatmeal as I write this. Remember that *blackstrap* molasses has a lot more calcium than the molasses that you might buy at a grocery store. Usually the blackstrap variety is found in health food stores. You might realize this, but if you do, this can be for informing others who might not know.

          • b00mer

            Thanks for the idea Daniel. :) I think I might try a gingersnap style oatmeal.

      • Charzie

        Oops, that is the one exception that I do take normally, B12. The selenium I’ve considered, but for iodine I do enjoy a variety of sea veggies, and as for D, I live in Florida and spend sufficient time “photosynthesizing”. (I AM a vegan…ha ha?)

        • Plantstrongdoc M.D.

          Great. Lack of B12 can do seriously, irreversible damage to the central nervous system. I guess a lot af sunshine in Forida! No Health benefits in being a vegan if you lack essential micronutrients. Personally I would rather take a supplement rather than making it too difficult to plan the diet and eat highly processed fortified products – but hey thats just me!

      • Gar Zuzik

        ~15 minutes of sun exposure, more so for those with darker tones, and requires more with increasing age.
        Best for readers to not get the impression that long durations need to be used to aquire the adequate “dosage”, due to the fact that supplements are $, side effects, ect..

  • Dommy

    And what are children’s fish oil supplements but smaller-sized adult supplements?

    Think about that one adult fish oil supplementers.

    • West

      We can all, babies and adults alike, get our fish oil in the form of flaxseed oil (ALA), which is a precursor the body will turn into fish oil. Its readily availably, relatively cheap, has a great taste and can be purchased organic.
      I sugest reading Udo Erasmus`s long standing classic on the subject of oils: Fat that heals Fat that kills.

  • Styve625

    When we look at omega-3 to omega-6 ratio over the internet a lot of people talk
    about a high ratio of omega-6 in grain. Is grain bad ? I don’t think so but i
    would like you comment or even better a video on the subject. By the way, I was
    in Ottawa Tuesday and despite the microphone trouble you gave a great show. I
    was in the front row and have to leave earlier but next time your in Montréal
    I’ll stay for an autograph. Thanks again

    • Thea

      Styve625: Whole, intact grains are very good for you. Check out this topic page which contains a summary of the information NutritionFacts has on grains, plus links to individual videos to find out more information: http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/grains/

      • Styve625

        Thanks for your reply. I’m well aware that whole grain is good for health, I’m just wandering the underlying mechanism since he already told us in “40 Year Vegan Dies of a Heart Attack” video that Omega 6 is “not so great” for health and nuts ans seed have a terrible ratio.

        • Thea

          Styve625: Here’s my understanding. In the “40 Year…” talk, I don’t believe that Dr. Greger is saying that omega 6’s are bad for our health. The opposite would be ture since omega 6 is one of the two essential fats (meaning we must get some in our diet). The other essential fat of course is omega 3. The problem comes in when the ratio of omega 6s swamp the omega 3s in the diet. In other words, just like any food or nutrient, it must be consumed with the proper balance.

          But the importance of that ratio of omega 3s and 6s as I understand it is an overall ratio, not an individual food ratio per say. In other words, it’s the ratio of omega 3s and omega 6s over the course of a day that matters. And there just isn’t all that much fat in whole grains. So, while the individual grain may have more 6s than 3s, it only matters in the context of your overall diet–like are you eating proper amounts of greens? And some flaxseed?

          For fun, I looked up a cup of barley on the following site: http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5678/2 It shows that one cup is 651 calories (wow) and only 35 of those calories are from fat. In that fat, there are 202 mg omega 3 and 1838 mg omega 6. So, sure if *all* you ate was barley, then your ratio would not be so good. But that’s only 35 calories worth of fat. A tablespoon of say ground flaxseed is 25 calories fat. And of those 25 calories of fat, 1597 mg is omega 3 and 414 is omega 6. Now a cup of chinese broccoli is only 5 calories of fat with 227 mg omega 3 and 67 mg omega 6.

          My point is, while I haven’t calculated it all up, my guess is that over the course of the day, eating a whole plant food diet such as Dr. Greger recommends in his How Not To Die book with his Daily Dozen, the ratios of omega 3 to omega 6 would work out just fine, even with the servings of whole grains that Dr. Greger recommends. And because grains have so many health-promoting properties, it is worth while to include those foods in our diet. After all, we need omega 6s too… The message I took away from the talk you are referencing is to skip the veggie oils which would throw off an overall ratio of fats for the day.

          What do you think?

          • Styve625

            I guest i should be eating more greens … and flaxseed !
            I though that maybe nuts, beans and grains may have a special secret of their own to prevent omega 3 to 6 inbalance.

            Thanks again for your reply

            PS : The daily dozen app is very useful to follow Dr Greger recommandation