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  • Gold kiwi fruit has 9 times the amount of vitamin c as bananas. Hardly an unbiased study considering the properties of vitamin c. Why didn’t they test the kiwi fruit against a fruit that has a similar amount of vitamin c? Obviously those who hold the patent on these kiwi fruits didn’t want to show that it was simply the amount of vitamin c that they were eating and not the kiwi fruit itself.

    And what of the diets of those studied? How many were not getting a reasonable amount of vitamin c in their normal diet in the first place?

    • brec

      “But, do [kiwifruit] actually help us fight off infection? We didn’t know, until recently.” The doc’s usual phrase is “until now.” As if we really *know* something after a single study.

      • Exactly. I would have thought that Dr. Greger would be his usual thorough self and treated this as he does studies showing animal products are not what they seem. But alas, he seems to be a little biased himself when promoting one single inconclusive study about a fruit – even a corporate patented fruit.

        Come on, Michael, you’re far better than this! Well below your usual standard. Most followers can see the large gaping holes in this study, i’m sure you should be able to if you take of the ‘gold’ tinted glasses.

        • guest

          I don’t know, I found the video informative and he did disclose who funded the study. I think you might be being a little hard on Dr Greger just to be negative, after all he does these for FREE for us and I would much rather read a “thank you Dr Greger for all you do” type of reply over the one you posted here seeming to be a Debbie downer. How about a thank you and let a little kiwi bias slide.

        • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

          If you think other studies are more equipped to cover this topic please just post them so we can all learn. I know Dr. Greger would appreciate. His end quote clearly states “And so, they are not for everybody.” To me it shows he has been thorough and even though kiwi fruit may be healthful some will have an allergic reaction so it’s good to know.

        • 2tsaybow

          Maybe you could donate to Dr. Greger to help him develop some studies Miss Creant. I believe that your financial input would help tremendously.

          • Lenara

            Yes financial input would be more beneficial than the criticism

          • Show your evidence that i haven’t giving financial input.

          • Lenara

            As I said your financial support would be more helpful than your negative comments.

          • Lenara

            Are you vegan?

          • Thea

            Lenara: As a volunteer for this site, I want to share with you that Miss Creant’s post was appropriate and critical posts (which meet site rules) are welcome here. We want people to feel free to post their disagreements and opinions. There are several reasons why such a policy/culture is helpful.

            If you disagree with the logic behind Miss Creant’s original post (as I did), it would have been best to restrict your responses to the logic/topic/content at hand rather than simply criticize someone for the “sin” of criticizing a video.

            I hereby declare: Enough is enough. This conversation (by all, not just you) is long past it’s usefulness. Time to let it drop.

          • Thank you, Thea.

        • E Page

          You could’ve shared your ideas (made a lot of sense) without being an unappreciating, disrespectful bitch. I am truly greatful for his videos. They completely changed how I eat.

          • I think you should read the discussion etiquette…

            To make a place where people feel comfortable posting
            without feeling attacked, we have no tolerance for ad hominem attacks
            or comments that are racist, misogynist, homophobic, vulgar, or
            otherwise inappropriate.

            Calling someone an unappreciating disrespectful bitch is totally uncalled for, especially when i have been nothing of the sort, and is completely inappropriate to any civilised debate and just shows what level of human being you are. I have flagged your obnoxious comment for moderation and hope to see it removed shortly.

          • Brux

            Well, you know how self-righteous vegans are! ;-)

          • Thanks for the giggle. LOL :-D

          • Mike

            some* vegans :-)

          • Lenara

            Then why did you repeat it?

          • lilyroza

            I don’t think you’re helping. She was a hundred times more polite than you. You’re just trying to squash all dissent. I love Dr. Greger. I know he’s doing great stuff. He doesn’t need to be surrounded by legions of adoring sycophants. Nobody’s perfect, and they don’t have to be. It’s really not good for anybody to have too many yes men.

        • Lenara

          “Usual thorough self”? You weren’t so thorough in some of your facts. Give me a break. He is putting the information out there. Nothing bad about that. Ask questions, look into more yourself, may not be for you. But to criticize is a waste of time

          • You’re obviously just trolling…

            You state things but give no examples.

            You criticise me for not giving financial input – show some evidence that you have to back up your claim.

            You claim criticism is a waste of time – but you’re here on this website and Michael’s videos are full of criticism.

            You don’t seem very capable of a constructive debate whatsoever.

          • Lenara

            Trolling, don’t have time for that. May be your thing. I had some time to comment and did. My right.
            Back up my claim about what?
            At least he is criticizing something deserving of criticism.
            I am more than capable of debating if I choose to.
            You are very confrontational. You are probably consuming animal products.

          • And i criticised something worthy of criticising. That’s my right. Why do you feel the need to attack me for having some time to comment and exercising my right to do so while you claim to be doing just that yourself.

            Pathetic little troll.

            I wasn’t the one who started this confrontation. You did. You are very confrontational, obviously lacking something in your life if you have nothing better to do than come on here and picked through posts to troll at.

        • c4brian

          I share your sentiments; he typically explores topics to a greater extent.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      These are good questions and I am sorry I don’t know the full answer. I too often think about study design and would like to see a ton of ways to compile data! This is only what we’ve found and what we’re sharing. If you want to read the studies in full check out the “sources cited” section. I bet it tells you what else they were eating. And if you come across other studies regarding vitamin C levels, other fruits, and the common cold please let us know and post it here. Dr. Greger may have let some studies slip thru the cracks so he loves when folks can fill in the gaps.

      • Looking at the study notes, it tells me that the first group weren’t even given fresh bananas. The bananas were freeze dried while the kiwi group got 2 fresh kiwi and 2 freeze dried ones. It doesn’t mention why freeze dried fruit were used and fresh ones weren’t.

        I didn’t notice any notes concerning their overall diets. It makes me consider that adding 200 calories of banana or kiwi would mean that the subjects reduced 200 calories elsewhere in their diets, yet no mention is made of what was substituted. Eating 4 kiwi is not the same as eating 2 bananas and it does make me wonder what difference (if any) in foodstuffs the subjects substituted out of their diets to make room for these.

        It does make clear in the study that they specifically chose bananas because of their low nutrient content in relation to kiwi. There are many videos in which Michael points out how the meat, dairy and egg industry compare their products to foods that aren’t as good to then proclaim that their product is healthy because it’s healthier than something known to be less healthy, and this is no different. A corporation comparing it’s patented product to one that has far less nutrient value per calorie in order to make their product look good.

        I would love to see a similar study done with mango in comparison to the kiwi, and also another one done with the amount of kiwi reduced to give the same level of vitamin c as the banana.

        The other thought is that the trials were only done over 4 and 5 weeks respectively. It doesn’t seem very long when most people wouldn’t even get a cold in that period.

        I also think the conclusion to this trial is extremely lacking considering the points above. One would think that an unbiased scientist conducting this trial would have made further observations and recommendations, especially considering the allergy levels that this fruit seems to bring up. But as noted, this was paid for by the patent holders and if Margot wants any further funding then she isn’t going to upset her funders.

        • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

          These are all great points and reflects ways we should be critical of research design. I agree with you on so many levels. What I take from this study and others in the video is that kiwifruit may help prevent the common cold, but of course this doesn’t mean other fruits are less beneficial. That’s why Dr. Greger has videos on citrus, beets, peppermint, nutritional yeast, and so many other foods to help us put this video and this individual study into perspective.

    • Thea

      Miss Creant: re: “Why didn’t they test the kiwi fruit against a fruit that has a similar amount of vitamin c?” I don’t understand this concern. They specifically picked bananas because the people doing the study knew bananas have “less nutrition”. From the video:
      “The rationale for providing banana as the “placebo” was to provide an
      alternative fruit that had relatively similar calories, but lower
      nutritional value.”

      So, vitamin C may be one of those areas in which bananas have “lower nutritional value”. They deliberately chose a fruit with less vitamins.

      This study doesn’t tell us what exactly about kiwis are more helpful for conquering colds compared to bananas. This study does not claim to know the difference. And of course, you know that there are a whole lot of other nutrients besides vitamin C in both foods. I personally doubt the different effects of bananas vs kiwis is due to just one single vitamin. But for the sake of argument, let’s say that you are right: then this video shows one more study demonstrating the importance of consuming whole plants foods which are high in vitamin C. What’s wrong with that?

      For someone who is already a huge fan/believer in vitamin C, this study may not be so interesting. You feel you already know the answer to the question about why kiwis would do better. But for other people, the results are interesting and give us a proven food that someone could focus on if they are having trouble with colds. In other words, when I’m looking for foods to eat, I don’t want to know someone’s theory about vitamin C based on supplement studies. I want to know which whole foods are proven to have which effects.

      The study would be a lot more interesting if they compared a whole bunch of different fruits. But of course, since it was funded by a kiwi company, we know why they didn’t do that.

      • BB

        I fully agree with Thea. I say this with respect, I don’t understand why this fixation on a single vitamin (vitamin C). Maybe it’s the whole arrangement of vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals in kiwi that make it so powerful against colds.

        Dr. Fuhrman has an interesting discussion on the issue of vitamin C and colds in his book “Super Immunity”, at pages 98 to 107. He discusses the following Cochrane systematic review of 30 randomized trials involving more than 11,000 adults, which seems to show that vitamin C against common colds is not at all such an obvious relationship: .

        The study presented by Dr. Greger has practical value because it presents a harmless way to potentially increase our defenses (except for those with kiwi allergy). I honestly don’t see where the problem is…

        • BB… It’s not a fixation on vitamin c. I just simply googled gold kiwi fruit nutrition and banana nutrition and the box that came up at the side of the page with the information had the one glaringly obvious discrepancy, which was vitamin c.

          Obviously there are other nutritional differences also. But at first glance one, if an unbiased scientist were formulating this trial, i would think they would have had another group – a gold kiwi fruit group that only got the same amount of vitamin c in kiwi as is in 2 bananas. Or why not even another group that got the same calories in mangoes? Why just pick a fruit that the scientists knew was hugely deficient in vitamin c compared to the fruit they were testing?

          The use of bananas being used to compare the results of higher anti-oxidant containing fruits in trials has been done previously… so this is not an unknown technique to those who did this trial. You need to go 40 seconds into the video.

          As is pointed out in the gold kiwi video, the scientists were not unbiased, they were paid by the patent holders to give them some good news about their patented product, thus the glaringly obvious omission from their trial. I say glaringly obvious, because all it takes is 30 seconds on google to realise. And the fact that bananas’ comparatively low anti-oxidant levels have been used in previous trials on food anti-oxidant levels.

          As to Chocrane, those trials were done using supplemented chemical vitamin c, not whole plant foods containing vitamin c. The only thing that this meta analysis shows is that supplementing with vitamin c makes no difference, it cannot be extrapolated to determine that wholefood vitamin c does not. Dr Greger has many videos in which he mentions the difference between supplemental nutrients/anti-oxidants and wholefood nutrients/anti-oxidants.

      • I don’t see any problem in demonstrating that wholefood plant diets which are high in vitamin c are good for our overall health, bring it on. But this study doesn’t show that, and it wasn’t designed to show that and that is my issue with it. It’s essentially putting down bananas, a cheap plant wholefood that can be grown and marketed by anyone, while bigging up their patented product that has to be licensed by them and paid for the privilege of growing it.

        I have no idea how much gold kiwi fruit would cost in the UK. I’ve never seen them on sale. But i can’t imagine that most people on a budget, such as myself, would be able to afford the 4 a day used in this trial.

    • Wilma Laura Wiggins

      What is an example of another fruit with a similar amount of vitamin c? I had the same thought as you when I read this, and of course the answer is, they are selling kiwi fruit.

      • Mangoes are 30% higher.

        • 30% higher than bananas or 30% higher than kiwis?

          • Sorry, screwed up. Was looking at % daily allowance per whole fruit. Just recalibrated by calories…

            Vitamin c per 60 calories (according to wikipedia)..

            banana 9.5% rda
            mango 60% rda
            papaya 146% rda
            green kiwi 154% rda
            gold kiwi 175% rda
            strawberry 175% rda

    • Robert Haile

      See the above that just Vit C supplements alone have not been shown to reduce the severity and duration of the common cold despite Linus Pauling’s, the Nobel prize winning scientist, belief.

      • guest

        Miss C is not talking about vit C supplements but the amount in whole fruit. Big difference. I happen to agree with her about this video. It is bad science but yet somehow we should pay attention. Huh? We already know that Kiwi is healthy.

        • Robert Haile

          Well her point was Kiwi contains more Vit C than banana. The real question is what is actually better in the golden Kiwi for colds,

          • The real question is what difference does it make to anyone who already getting enough wholefood anti-oxidants in their diet already. No where in the study does it state what the subjects’ standard diets are. And as we all know here the standard diet of most people in developed countries is seriously deficient in anti-oxidants in the first place. Taking the average person and giving them high level wholefood anti-oxidant supplementation is going to have miraculous effects on most infections regardless of what that wholefood is.

            I very much doubt that someone on a wholefood vegan diet would benefit at all from eating golden kiwi fruit because their anti-oxidant levels are already through the roof.

            And the study didn’t even use fresh bananas. They used freeze dried ones in comparison to 2 fresh kiwi and 2 freeze dried kiwi. Talk about corrupt science, i can’t think of anything more corrupt than doing that.

            And the study was only for 4 weeks. That’s hardly enough time to
            study the effects on URTI’s when most of the people studied won’t even
            get an URTI in that period.

            The only place i can find golden kiwi fruit near me is 15 miles away and they’re £2.67 for 4. So for 4 a day you would be looking at nearly £1000 a year. That’s probably the most expensive supplement that i’ve ever come across. Not sure how a married couple with 2 children would find the extra £4000 a year in the household budget for 200 calories a day worth of food. And, furthermore, they’re out of stock at the moment, so not even a guaranteed supply even if you could afford them – ergo, what’s the point?

            I think that there’s much better wholefood things people should be spending their food money on than some patented corporate invention food that had to use corrupt science done by a bought and paid for scientist to make itself look good.

          • Jeffrey Baker

            Miss Creat, thanks for all your thoughtful comments to this video. I’m tending to read comments now before viewing a video because we have so many knowledgeable and articulate members on this site now. I think I’ll skip the kiwi video all together.

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  • Slim055 .

    I’ve been vegan for more than twenty years and not had any colds or flu in that time, though I had typically one to three colds every year or two in the years before.

  • Tobias Brown

    I’ve noticed that since I switched to a 100% plant diet three years ago I don’t have the 2-3 colds that I used to get each Winter. I’ve had one cold in the past three years. So, it would be interesting to know the stats on rate of colds plant vs. meat eaters in general. If this shows a great advantage to plant eaters, maybe the kiwis boost would be less important.

    • Joe Caner

      All I have to offer is anecdotal experience. Since switch to a WFPB diet, I have been the very embodiment of health. I started down this path as a numbers game to improve biomarker readings. I stayed with it because it just feel so dam good.

      • Brux

        >> it just feels so dam good.

        Yes, eating more whole foods plant based does make one feel good … but it doesn’t help one’s spelling any. ;-)

        • E Page

          Autocorrect on a cellphone.

        • Joe Caner

          Doh! Even my grammar school English teach is now eating WFPB. What’s the world coming to? (:

      • Tobias Brown

        I imagine that you live in a good and supportive social environment. I say this because I can imagine people switching to this great diet who happen to lack support so they feel like crap. How we feel seems to depend a bit on how we eat but mostly on how we live.

        • Joe Caner

          Actually, some people are very supportive, while others, not so much. They will wave a chicken leg or some such in my face, and ask, “come on, don’t you miss this?” Not as much anymore as I am have been eating WFPB for some time, but it still happens every now and then, mostly with new acquaintances. I’ve got to imagine many here have had that experience. Haven’t you?

    • Jeffrey Baker

      I too switched to 100% plant-based diet 2 1/2 years ago. I used to get 2-3 colds per year. Since switching I have had 2 colds to date and they lasted only 4 days each instead of the usual 7-10 days.

  • Leslie

    Are the kiwi-skins what cause the allergies, or is it the seeds? I am wondering what toxins might be in kiwi seeds, as the tiny seeds likely have a defense mechanism to protect themselves so that they can produce more fruit.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      That’s a good question it may be the skin but I have no idea! I just think of folks who react to apple peels but not its flesh. I may be totally off though and perhaps the whole kiwi is to blame regardless of what part. Does anyone know?

      • Leslie

        Apple peels? Interesting. How common is this? I wonder if it has to do with year round availability of apples (too much exposure for some?)

      • chloeholly

        I’m no expert, but given that I found out “today” that I seem to have a kiwi allergy, I can say that for me it was the flesh that caused the prickly stinging on my tongue and in my lips. I peeled it completely and had no reaction until I started eating the flesh.

    • Rebecca Cody

      Who eats kiwi skins? The fuzziness definitely isn’t appetizing to me!

      • Thea

        Rebecca: I agree! I hate the fuzzies. But know other people who eat it. Also, someone recently told me about “baby kiwis” where the fuzz isn’t there yet. And the skin is like a grape skin, so it is eaten. I haven’t tried them myself. Just sharing.

        • Rebecca Cody

          Well, I hadn’t thought about putting the whole thing in the Vitamix or Bullet, but you probably could. Why not?

          As for the baby kiwis, sold at our farmers’ market as kiwi berries, I have a vine and they are almost ripe, but they are not really kiwis. I think they are also called Chinese gooseberries, but I’m not certain. For some reason they are extra sour this year, so I may let the raccoons have them. Or maybe the raccoons don’t want them, either! They already helped themselves to the grapes. I usually pick them, freeze them on cookie sheets, then pour them into Ziplocks for smoothie fuel. I’ve also used them in recipes where you would use cranberries. The color is less delightful, however, in cranberry dishes. Our climate is usually pretty mild in summer and the big kiwis seldom ripen. This year was an exception – the hottest on record.

          • Thea

            I didn’t realize that the baby kiwis were actually a different fruit! Thanks for telling me.

            I think that’s so cool that you are growing them yourself. Too bad about them being sour. But year for the raccoons? ;-O

      • Joe Caner

        Yeah. Fuzzy fruit skins are where I draw the line. I’m quite content to let the nutrients in kiwi fruit skin enhance my compost heap.

      • ron

        I think the whole kiwi can be pulverized in a strong blender like a nutribullet by cutting into pieces and putting in the blender.

      • peseta11

        Both fuzzy and smooth Chinese gooseberries aka kiwifruit aka kiwis (also the name for New Zealanders and a bird species) are in the same plant genus (not at all closely related to gooseberries) but different species. USDA, so far, has nutrient data only for the fuzzy kind.
        The smoother sort are hardier, so non-Californians can enjoy them.
        As to allergies, I only know that male kiwi rate 5 on a 1-10 scale, presumably because of the pollen. This may be how the fruit become allergenic, since female plants, which of course make the fruit, rate 1 (lowest).

        • Rebecca Cody

          Wow! I didn’t think the male kiwis even produced fruit. I thought they were only needed as pollinators. My male vine doesn’t make fruit, but I have the small, hardy, Chinese gooseberries, or kiwi berries as they are called locally here in the Pacific Northwest. And yes, I got them because they can take our cooler weather and mature fruit. I have a neighbor with the fuzzy kiwis. In a hot summer (rare, though we sure had one this year) he’ll get ripe fruit, but many summers he won’t.

          • peseta11

            No, males produce large amounts of pollen, a known sensitizer. It’s possible that residues of the pollen might adhere to fruit or fruit surfaces, notably the hairy species, potentiating an allergic response.

            There are many species of edible kiwi, only one of which is hairy; yours is likely Actinidia arguta, but there are kolomikta or Arctic Beauty, and polygama, silver vine (which is orange inside– I’d like to see the nutrient array in that!); the warmer ones are deliciosa, the green stubbly one that’s China’s national fruit, and chinensis, also Chinese and slightly hardier.

    • Brux

      I thought the skins are where all the nutrients are?

      The other side of this is this the green or yellow kiwis? If the yellow kiwis are GMO it is true that every GMO plant because of the GMO process expressed a different, often wildly different protein and nutrient profile. This is because of the way the genes are inserted causes what is called “genomic shock” …

      >> Further, whatever the species, tissue culture imparts a broad jolt known as
      >> “genomic shock.”   53 This shock induces extensive genetic perturbations –
      >> and is another way in which unintended harmful substances can be formed.
      >> Moreover, not only are native genes frequently destabilized due to the
      >> unnaturalness of the developmental process, the inserted foreign genes are
      >> frequently destabilized due to the unnaturalness of their presence. Organisms
      >> are geared to defend against the invasion of foreign DNA, and they have
      >> mechanisms to inactivate it. Accordingly, the alien genes are frequently
      >> incapacitated by these defenses and prevented from expressing in
      >> subsequent generations. By 1994, this phenomenon was already a significant problem.

      Druker, Steven (2015-02-26). ALTERED GENES, TWISTED TRUTH: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public (p. 114). Clear River Press. Kindle Edition.

  • MikeOnRaw

    I know sometimes when I get a cold it will last 24 hours, and other times it may go on for a week. Did they isolate for such difference in infection strains? Cold symptom length seems so variable that it would be hard to compare length of symptoms across a wide variety of people since it can be variable in a single person, let alone a bunch of them.

  • Normand

    Dr. Greger, since I switched to 100% plant based whole foods for 9 months now, would you recommend that I stop taking my yearly

    flu Shots? If not why? I have just begun taking yearly flu shots, two years now.

    I would much rather continue to eat healthy than inject yearly. I am in my mid fifties.

    Let me know what you recommend.

    Thank you.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      We cannot really recommend whether or not to take a flu shot. It’s really a personal choice between you and your doctor.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      Some foods seem to lower the duration of a cold, like nutritional yeast.

      Dr. Greger mentions evidence that vitamin D supplementation may help prevent other respiratory diseases as well. For example, one study found that those randomized to 2000 IU of vitamin D a day (the amount he recommends) appeared to reduce their incidence of colds and the flu by 90%. He doesn’t recommend tanning beds, though. See his video Vitamin D Pills vs. Tanning Beds

      A simple and inexpensive way to reducing some symptoms of illness is gargling with water.

      Probiotics have been shown to help prevent the common cold, but Dr. Greger explains why eating raw fruits and vegetables is likely better. “Fruits and vegetables are covered with millions of lactic acid bacteria, some of which are the same type used as probiotics. So when studies show eating more fruits and vegetables boosts immunity, prebiotics and probiotics may be playing a role.”

      • S Slavin

        Wouldn’t washing the fruit/veggies remove those bacteria?

        • rz

          @@disqus_wnYOIlS4ks:disqus good question I would like to know if washing the fruit/veggies remove those bacteria

    • Steve

      Dear Normand. I’m not a doctor but strongly recommend avoiding flu shots. My sister-in-law died five days after hers with every sign of anaphylaxis. Good luck if you continue. Why not take elderberry and other anti-virals on the first sign of infection?

      • Johanna

        This is just anecdotal evidence, but I know of two otherwise healthy people, (one in her 40’s and one in his 50’s,) who died from flu and no one who died from flu shots…. just to add to this discussion.

    • Rebecca Cody

      For the lowdown on flu shots check out what Dr David Brownstein says. I think that’s For starters, I’ll tell you that a doctor told me years ago that the flu shot given each year is based on the flu that went around two years ago, and flu mutates every year, so it isn’t effective for this year’s flu!

      My mom taught third and fourth grade for thirty years, starting when she was 40. Even though she was exposed to flu by all those kids, the only two years she got the flu was the two years she had the flu shot. She never had the vaccine again and she lived until she was 95.

      Vaccines usually contain mercury, which is highly toxic and they often contain aluminum, another toxin. There are many other contaminants in the mix as well.

      • Brux

        >> the flu shot given each year is based on the flu that went around two years ago

        My understanding is that the “flu shot” is a cocktail of vaccines

        that is a best guess of what the current year’s flu threat will be.

        They make a best guess and get it right within some probability

        because they cannot predict the future with 100% certainty.

        That is not a reason to avoid the shot, in fact it is more of a reason

        to take it because you will get some protection, and when a lot of

        people take it, it protects everyone else.

        The chances are that your mom was immune to the flu and got a

        simple cold. When you get the flu after only having colds, you know

        it, it really knocks you out.

        As far as mercury … from Google ….

        Single dose-shots of the flu vaccine and the flu vaccine nasal sprays do not contain any mercury compounds. The multi-dose flu shot does contain a preservative called thimerosal, which breaks down into 49% ethylmercury and used to prevent bacterial contamination of the vaccine container. Ethylmercury, as I’ve discussed before, is processed differently by the body than methylmercury, the neurotoxin that can build up in the body and is found in fish. (Keep in mind the difference a letter can make in chemistry: methanol is anti-freeze while ethanol is a Chardonnay.) Ethylmercury is made of larger molecules that cannot enter the brain andexits the body within a week.

      • Fred

        The sane approach is to try and BOOST your immune system by eating right. I use an immune boosting supplement year round….use a food grade hydrogen peroxide nasal spray and/or colloidal silver spray at the first sign of sniffles. Last resort is a zinc lozenge…but it craps out any sense of taste for awhile.

        Usually don’t get colds…but last winter I did have a persistent cough brought on by turning on the ozone ionizer in my air purifier to see how it worked…found out.

        As one gets older…the probability of diseases RISES… they say….something will get you…just a good idea to hold the nasties off for as long as possible. Might get an extra 10 yrs of relatively healthy life?

    • Jeffrey Baker

      McDougall says no to flu shots citing several recent studies on their utter ineffectiveness. I’ve stopped with my annual flu shots.

      • Thea

        Jeffrey: Thanks for taking the time to post this link. It was extremely helpful for me to read this article. I find it persuasive because of the links to various studies, but also because Dr. McDougall is being very selective. He clearly states at the bottom of the page that he recommends other vaccines, just not the flu. The arguments he makes say to me that he has really thought this through.

        My thoughts on the matter now: Despite Dr. McDougall’s recommendations and links to important studies, his article has not necessarily swayed me from getting a flu shot. The studies have found some benefit and the costs/cons seem pretty small to me. The flu shot doesn’t cost me anything money-wise where I work, and all the shot does to me harm-wise is cause a sore arm for a few days. If one year I happen to be one of the lucky ones where getting the shot prevents me form getting sick, that seems like a good deal to me. I’m on the fence since there are other potential cons. What I really appreciate about Dr. McDougall’s article is that it gives me some really good solid information to weigh against my values.

        Thanks again.

  • A. Bruton

    Where does one get Gold Kiwi fruit?
    I have never heard of this product–and I can not find a source for it.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      I’ve only seen it a few times in the store. I just shoot for regular kiwis when I cannot find the gold. Honestly I forget the last time I had a gold kiwi fruit. Anyway, Dr. Greger compares the antioxidant content of green kiwis in this video. if anyone is interested. Thanks, A. Bruton.

      • Joan Tester

        Here in Queensland, Australia we can buy green and gold kiwi fruits, but I much prefer the taste and texture of the green variety (it’s also cheaper!). After watching Dr. Gregor’s video on kiwi fruits helping sleep I eat one after dinner every evening …. with the skin on. I now sleep well!

    • Excellent question A. Bruton. I have only seen gold kiwis in tropical locations and very seldomly see them here in the states. I would second what Joseph said which would be to focus on green kiwis as they are quite readily available in most super markets and still offer significant protection against viral illness, especially when taken in conjunction with a whole foods, plant based diet. Definitely watch the video green kiwis vs gold.

  • Joe Caner

    I just tried golden kiwis recently. I hand picked them, and let them ripen some in a dark cupboard before popping them in the fridge to chill. They were very sweet and delicious. Definitely a good way to get your vitamins and minerals, and by far the best tasting cold remedy that I have had to date.

  • naandi

    but why kiwifruit should be the question… Why not eat bananas and papaya, or musk melon or amla, or… [list of all the Vit C rich fruit in the world…. ]

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      Exactly! No needs to settle for goldkiwi fruit alone when SO many types exists! Plus, research shows eating tons of fruit is just fine and there’s no real upper limit. Dr. Greger covers this in the video How Much Fruit is Too Much?

      • naandi

        indeed – Dr G’s fruit video inspired my comment… But maybe Dr G could sift out the effectiveness of stopping milk in the diet to radically avoid colds and and sniffles. I think this one thing far outweighs fruit factors and maybe allows one to be singularly addicted to bananas sans colds ;) In the end I am all for diverse seasonal fruit consumption without worrying about the fructose scare of Lustig et al

        • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

          I’ll ask him! He does mention how cow’s milk may induce infant apnea and constipation but maybe he has a video in store for milk and the common cold. Stay tuned….

          • naandi

            Thanks! My experience in removing milk irradicated colds, flus and mucous. It was dramatic. And whoever I advised on it experienced similar liberation…. And we cant wait for Dairy Boards to inform us ! :)

  • Darrell

    Were these GMO Gold Kiwis?

    • Brux

      That’s a good question? Are gold Kiwis a GMO product?
      How about a lot of these multi-colored veggies we are seeing on the seed market.
      I already heard that the psychedelic red-green mix tomatoes were GMO, but what about all these other veggies such as purple or black tomatoes, purple carrots, white carrots?

      • Maureen Okun

        Many veggies with unfamiliar colouring are not GMOs but rather very old heirloom varieties—absolutely safe, nutritious, and yummie, as well as often quite lovely.

        • Brux

          but some are not, and it should not be illegal to know, or illegal to lable GMO varieties so the public can make up their own minds about it.

          • Maureen Okun

            I agree—GMOs should be labelled.

      • They claim to have created them by cross breeding a yellow fleshed kiwi from China with a big juicy green one from New Zealand.

        I believe it’s the selectively bred strain that they’ve patented, not any gmo.

        • Brux

          That is good to know, but after reading the book I just read and all about the tricks and lies they have told the public I am very skeptical about all food these days. if they already had a yellow fleshed Kiwi, why not just sell that? They are terrified to tell the public anything is GMO because people will not buy it if it even has a hint of GMO. So they are lying to people and trying to make it illegal to label anything as GMO. The other thing that there are so many contaminations with pollen that it is hard to know if something might have some GMO genes in it or not.

          • This is true. At the moment it’s not too bad in the UK. Anything plant produce that is gmo has to be labelled as such, but when they mention it on the label it’s usually in the smallest print possible to print on the label and hidden in an obscure corner on the back of the product where people don’t look.

            But then, like you say, there must be a fair amount of cross contaminated products that probably gets through regardless.

            It wasn’t so long ago that supermarkets in the UK got caught selling horsemeat as beef. They didn’t have any idea, the food chain supplying them is so untested and corrupt that anything is possible without the shop’s (and consumer’s) knowledge.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      That’s a good question, Darrell. It’s not certain from the study abstract so I pulled the study and didn’t see any mention of GMOs. The kiwis was ZESPRI GOLD kiwifruit with a paten so perhaps there was some gene splicing?

      • Brux

        The problem is that any GMO company wants to do everything they can to hide the fact that they are GMO. Why else are they trying to pass a law now to make it illegal in all 50 states to label GMO foods?

      • Apparently they were made by crossing a yellow fleshed kiwi from China with a big juicy green variety from New Zealand. Not gmo at all. The patent is for standard selective cross breeding not for any gene splicing.

    • Tom Goff

      I understand that none of the NZ-grown Zespri brand Chinese Gooseberries (their real name until some clever NZ marketer renamed them Kiwifruit – New Zealanders are called Kiwis after their national bird) is GMO.

  • Brux

    Was this study done by the Kiwifruit growers by chance?

  • Brux

    Was this study done by the Kiwifruit growers by chance?

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      Yes, it was. Dr. Greger mentioned it in the video “the study was funded by the company that owns the patent to gold kiwi fruits.”

      • Brux

        Thanks. I wonder why to waste time with these kinds of studies on general principles? Aren’t there actually better scientific studies, principles of things to be looked at. Having just finished the definitive book on GMO’s, “Altered Genes, Twisted Truth”, this is a very important subject, especially for PB (plant-based) diets. Most GMOs get no safety testing at all, somehow they got classified as “substantially equivalent” to their non-GMO cousins, but many of those that have had some trials have killed off substantial fractions of the batches of experimental animals, such as the Flavor-Saver tomato and others. Tinkering with the genetic makeup of plants when we do not know that much about how DNA works or have a really precise way to do this kind of engineering is really a bad idea, as is using the public as Guinea pigs to test them on as well. Up to 90% of the food available in a typical American grocery store can have GMO constituents, and no one got to vote on any of it.

        The rules have been changed on GMOs by the USDA and the FDA to help the industry, but it has gotten even worse than that, as now we have the DARK act coming up for a vote in the Senate after being passed in the house by the idiot Republicans, that would make it a FEDERAL crime for any state to pass a law labelling GMOs.

        This is insanity, and we are talking about Kiwifruits?

        • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

          In this video, yes, we’re talking about kiwifruit. In others, as I know you have watched, the focus is on GMO, USDA, and FDA, etc. As always we encourage more research and if you have any to share please link here. Thanks for the book recommendation I agree GMO is a hot topic!

          • Brux

            The book has a web page, AlteredGenesTwistedTruth.Com and on that page is a link to Additional Content, including an executive summary which talks about the key points in every chapter.

            The book is:
            Altered Genes, Twisted Truth: How the Venture to Genetically Engineer Our Food Has Subverted Science, Corrupted Government, and Systematically Deceived the Public

            by Steven Druker, forward by Jane Goodall.

            It is a pretty amazing work, and very well documented. The story of GMOs is a story of incompetence, corruption and greed, and what for, none of these products have lived up to the hype and many have made agriculture more difficult and made more herbicide and pesticide necessary in the long run.

  • as

    I don’t like gold kiwi, but do eat the green ones, at least 1 or 2 a day including 2 bananas a day. It so happens that I’m suffering from a cold right now but if ooooooooonly my kiwi’s were ripe right now………………

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      I feel your pain! Waiting for fruit to ripen is like watching water boil. Try putting them next to your bananas or in a paper bag and see if that speeds up the process? I’m in your corner :-) Good luck!

  • Arlynn Bottomley

    Years ago (1977) my 3 year old son was getting quite a lot of congestion. I didn’t want him to be constantly on antibiotics, so I took him to a naturopathic doctor. The doctor gave him percussion treatments on his back with some sort of machine, prescribed a small jar of ointment ( a more “natural” vicks vapo rub) and told me he needed to eat lots of kiwi fruit. Seemed to help.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      Cool story! How great for your little man to find relief using non-invasive therapies. I always love that! Thanks for sharing, Arlynn.

  • Burford Hoogandoofer

    Trying to keep my 4th grader healthy, this video will help. Also looking for research concerning child health and snacking in schools. I’ve heard schools that don’t allow snacking have students with below average BMIs, but I cannot find research to support this claim.

    • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

      Snacking is fine and encouraged in my opinion, but of course it depends on what the heck a kid is snacking on! That seems cruel to hold out on kids who may be hungry just because they have a poor BMI. That’s like fat-shaming at it’s worst and I can’t stand that kind of position it makes me frustrated. Studies have shown in adults who are overweight or obese that are snacking and eating as much healthful food as they want actually led to weight loss. Kids do not need to diet in school they need to be encouraged and educated on proper food choices. Anyway, forgive my rant I just hate when it’s our children who are singled out when it’s the food system and the parents and the teachers who need to take more responsibility, not the kids. So let them eat!

      These videos rock about kids and ways to boost their health. Tricks to Get Kids to Eat Healthier at School and Does a Drink Of Water Make Children Smarter? and even this gem Are Raisins Good Snacks for Kids?. Please take a look. Thanks, Burford!

      • BHoog

        Thanks. I agree that snaking can be a good thing if the snack food is relatively heathy, unfortunately I see mostly junk food at snack time when I volunteer. In an ideal world, a kid would get a decent breakfast which should hold to lunch, which (again ideally) would be a healthy meal (brown bag or hot lunch). I see kids filling up on chips, cookies, and other junk at 10:30 AM then eschewing lunch at noon (“I’m not hungry”). I agree 100% that this is a problem perpetuated by adults and not one caused by the kids. I”m trying to draw awareness to this but have hit a stone wall at the school. Any thoughts?

        • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

          Junk food in school is right! It’s a huge problem thanks for shedding some light on it. Try geeting in touch with PCRM they do a lot with kids and school lunched. Also, Amie Hamlin RD is amazing and does SUCH GREAT WORK with the NY Healthy Lunched Coalition. She’d be a great ally!

  • Noe Marcial

    well i use to do that, when im getting a commun cold or influensa i take a lots of kiwis and put drops of lemon straing in the througth with a open mouth during night.. and in the morning at least is not worst, for me is like an anticeptic. the good thing is that the common colds for me last for a day and a half and im ready to runn.. obviasly it is not cientific.. but my feelings and personal experiences go allong with this study.. even if was pay from a kiwi company :) (i like that Micheal all ways tell us the details so we can belive or not but the facts are there) thank you

  • bulletproof

    In the 14 years I’ve been whole foods plant based I’ve only had 2 colds, the last one 8 years ago. Before that I would get colds or sore throats 3 or 4 times a year and get the flu ever 2 or 3 years. I don’t know if it’s the absence of meat, milk and other animal products or the vitamins, minerals or phytochemicals in the greater amount of fruits, vegetables, beans, grains, nuts and seeds that I eat now, or if it’s something else, but the experience that I and other vegans have shows that there is definitely something about being vegan that makes people more resistant to infections and communicable illnesses.

  • Thea

    It is very common for people who switch to plant based diets to report a significant reduction or even absence of colds for years on end. But just eating “plant based” doesn’t seem to quite work for everyone. And switching to a plant based diet is not a guarantee anyone will be cold-free.

    So, what I particularly like about this video is that it gives an interesting hint/idea, one that Dr. Greger has addressed many, many times in many ways over many topics: The devil is in the details. Some plant based diets may be more healthful than others or more healthful for certain conditions/problems than others. It wouldn’t make sense for everyone to rush out and only eat only yellow kiwis based on this one study. And no one is suggesting you do so. (I’m not sure green were even tested. Who knows, green may do even better than yellow?) But if you are having problems with colds, you might want to tweak your diet for a while to stress/add some kiwis along with implementing the other ideas for colds on this site. See if it helps your problem. I appreciate this type of information for the hints it provides.

    Or put another way: Bananas are healthy. But if colds are your problem, other types of fruit (and perhaps nutritional yeast, etc) might be healthier to try out for a while. One study is almost never going to definitively cover every angle. But every study tells us something we can incorporate into the big picture. And the human mind can’t absorb thousands and thousands of studies at once. It is helpful to get a little info here and a little there until a big picture develops. That’s what the videos of the day do for us. This video is like every other video in that regard.

    • Rhombopterix

      Thanks Thea, you’ve put into words the “feelings” i got while watching. I just went to my “local” and thought about the products I saw that I no longer buy because I have replaced them with better alternatives. They helped me transition to a truly nutrient-dense diet.

      Just one thing, over the zillions years I’ve been in NZ many people have asked if the fuzzy skin can be eaten. I can answer because I am way too lazy to scoop out the goop…I just scrub ’em up and chomp the whole thing down…all except the hard bit at the top. Like giving your cat a bath for the first time. Sure, you get some hair on your tongue but you soon get used to it (Source: Steve Martin)

      • Thea

        Rhombopterix: Thanks for the nice feedback. And the laugh!

  • vegank

    This video reminded me that since switching to the plant based whole food diet I have not had the flu or tummy infection that everyone seems to get during the winter. I did get the odd cold only once in the last 4 years , but it did not go beyond the sore throat phaze and I was better in 2 days. The interesting part was that the other family members who do not follow the same diet did get sick unfortunately.
    I’m speculating of course since I am not medically trained, but I feel that one of the benefits of going Whole food is not getting sick.

  • Robert Haile

    The monika “Mis Creant,” though innovative, does suggest the negative nature of the subsequent comments. Everyone does have a right to make a comment. I personally try to avoid being rude even when victimized. The use of real names may require discussions to be more thoughtful and respectful, and identifies ” Company Shills” who are paid professionals hired by beef, dairy, egg, etc., institutes to disparage sites such as Dr Gregor’s. That said, has there ever been real proof that supplementing pure Vit C reduces the severity & duration of the common cold?

    • Robert, great question. I can’t find any data that a pure vitamin C supplement reduces severity or duration of the common cold. My educated guess would be that considering what we know about the effects of antioxidant supplementation on mortality like Vit E and A, it would stand to reason that isolated vitamin C might also do more harm than good. As you probably know, sticking to whole plant foods seems to be the best way to get our vitamins, minerals and phytochemicals.

      • We’re not talking about pure vitamin c supplementation. We’re talking about wholefood vitamin c/anti-oxidant supplementation. There’s a huge difference.

        • 2tsaybow

          Like Amla! Love those Indian Gooseberries!

    • Wade Patton

      “moniker” perhaps?

    • Your presumption is pathetic. It’s Miss Creant. Miss, not mis. ‘Creant’ as in my surname. First name is Lorri, and if you go to my discuss account you will see me as Miss L Creant. The name i use is my name and furthermore, in the UK, i’m allowed to chose whatever name i chose to and i’m allowed to change it whenever i want to. That’s the law in my country and i don’t have to explain myself to anyone concerning why my name is my name.

      No, i’m not a company shill. I’m a wholefood vegan training up to 140.6 triathlon, so i’m not on the side of meat, dairy and egg on any level. What my issue is is that we are demonstrating hypocrisy when we deconstruct studies done by meat, egg and dairy to show that their product is somehow good for you in comparison to a standard american diet and let a study like this be passed without any severe criticisms when it does exactly the same tactics as meat, egg and dairy do. Nothing is ever going to change when we resort to their levels of bad science.

      And we’re not talking about supplementing vitamin c. We’re discussing using freeze dried bananas in comparison to fresh kiwi fruit that is known to have over 18 times more anti-oxidants than fresh bananas let alone freeze dried bananas. Deliberately lowering one group’s anti-oxidant levels while significantly boosting another group’s and then claiming that it’s all down to the magic of golden kiwi is crass science to say the least and should be treated as such else we end up looking as bad as meat, egg and dairy – then who do the confused public believe?

      If the purpose is preaching to the choir then i suppose it doesn’t matter, but if the purpose is to change people’s attitudes, diets and lifestyles then we need to show that we are not prepared to resort to their tactics of promoting bad science, bought and paid for by a corporate interest.

    • Criticising people’s names has nothing to do with what we’re discussing and is nothing more than the most pathetic attempt at an ad hominem attack.

      Suggesting that i’m a company shill while you are the one that is defending the company line is, again, pathetic.

      And bringing into this debate pure vitamin c supplementation when that has not even been mentioned just to try and win a point that isn’t even being discussed is a pathetic attempt at a straw man attack.

      So you’re either one of three things… A shill, a troll, or just hopeless at debating.

      • Robert Haile

        Sorry firs. But I’m not trying to defend any company but just Dr Gregor who maintains a thoughtful, open discussion based upon research, not opinions.

        • I hardly think he needs someone that can only use ad hominem and straw man attacks to defend him.

          Until you butted in with ad hominem and straw man attacks we were having a thoughtful and open discussion based upon and about the research. You’re the only one whose only contribution to this debate is trolling.

  • dogulas

    It’s awesome, but I’d be willing to bet that equal amounts by weight or calories from leafy greens would have a similar or better effect. The appeal? Grow some greens at home and have nearly free health benefits.

  • crystalgridder

    I love kiwifruit! I had a question though how many grams of plant fats can I eat in a day on a plant based diet and stay safe, like say I ate corn all day and had a few non fat veggies like spinach and maybe a few chia seeds to get my omega 3s up to 2 grams is like 30 grams of fat from whole foods in a day ok for my heart health? I am obese and trying to lose weight so do I need to consume chia seeds or flax seeds to get my omega 3s or should I skip them until I lose weight I weigh in at 240 pounds and my height is five foot ten inches thanks.

    • Brux

      This is unsolicited, but for losing weight the only way I can do it is to eat a lot of lot caloric density stuff that I can eat, fruit, things like oatmeal, plain brown rice ( got that one from Dr. Kempner ) with veggies and get all filled up with as much bulk as you can, no sugar, little fat. Personally I think it is ok to eat a little bit of lean meat. No fried foods, no frying things like eggs, grilled cheese sandwiches, etc. And go for at least over an hour’s walk every day if you can or whatever exercise you can manage that burns calories. Don beat yourself up when you fall off the routine, because you will, but go back to thinking about why you want to do this and motivate yourself. You have to eat things you like, or that you can get to like or you will rebel against yourself and hate what you are doing.

      The way I look at it, my body doesn’t understand anything much of anything past what it is used to. That has been for most of like, until the last 3 years pretty much the average American diet. I like sweets, I like meat, I like fruit and veggies, but they do not have the satisfying feeling that the dense junk food has, so you have to get used to it – like drinking skim milk or using less salt until you are used to that. You have to train your body without driving it crazy … because the bottom line is that your body is in charge until you can convince it you know what you are doing and are making it happier and feeling better. Sounds schizo doesn’t it, but I read about that that described the human being as an intelligent conscious rider atop a big huge unconscious elephant. That sort of rang true to me.

      Do not try to do everything at once, but don’t do nothing either. Find incremental changes you can make and then others will occurs to you. I started with eating breakfast that I never used to eat, a packet of Quaker raisin, walnut and date instant oatmeal, with ground up flax seeds, walnuts and a packet of blueberries in it every morning, with nut milk instead of real milk. That fills me up with something that is really good to where I just cannot really eat anything until the evening. That is where it gets hard.

      • crystalgridder

        Thanks dude, I can lose weight even on white rice and potatoes Even consuming way more calories than I need but, my question was more related to how much fat a day will I be able to eat safely without clogging my arteries and avoid heart disease and I was wondering if I could draw omega 3s off my fat stores or maybe I still need omega 3 everyday just in case. I used to be weigh 170 when i was eating as much carbs as possible like 4000 calories or upwards a day, vegan even with like mostly maple syrup and plain cane sugar added to smoothies but then I ended up eating meats and saturated fat like pizzas from pizza hut and stuff like eggs and lean steaks thinking I would be OK and I gained like 80 Pounds in a 3 month period because I found that if I eat a high fat diet I cant eat like 4000 plus calories and stay lean but now I am losing weight eating like 4000 plus calories a day with light exercise like walking 2 miles or so. I was worried that I may not be getting enough omega 3s from just grains and beans and fruit though so I added in some chia seeds to meet my requirement . I am on a low fat diet maybe like 10 or 20 percent and like 80 to 60 or percent carbs eating lots of lentils white rice and lots of fruit I really hope Dr. Greger will answer my questions so I will feel better about my decisions to eat just a little more fat per day like chia seeds or flax seeds to tell you the truth though I hate the taste of flax seeds so i’m sticking with the chia and I have been trying to use sweeteners like maple syrup or coconut sugar for the mineral content. I haven’t had problems losing weight on low fat high carbohydrate and I like white rice and sweet potatoes and quinoa I don’t like brown rice so I don’t eat it often I don’t like oats either even though I know they are healthy foods I feel like any starches are good like corn and white rice potatoes and I am not sugar phobic at all Because I used to eat it all the time and I felt great and I never am at a caloric deficit I take turmeric and drink lots of tea to make sure I get plenty of antioxidantsand I eat lots of veggies like at least 3 servings a day minimum but, I am glad you are doing good with what you are doing as well later Brux. m/

        • I usually just take a tsp of whole flax seeds and a tsp of whole hemp seeds and put them in my smoothies. Other than that i don’t worry about getting any fats at all and i’m doing fine getting fitter all the time. Lots of good aminos, carbs and fibre in those too as long as you get the whole ones and not the hulled ones.

        • Brux

          >> I weigh in at 240 pounds and my height is five foot ten inches thanks.

          That is where I used to be and both the height-weight charts and my doctor said that is obese.

          • crystalgridder

            For sure 240 is obese but, I’m going to get back to about 170 in 3 months or so by eating as many carbs as possible with lots of antioxidants and over 4000 calories per day keeping my fat intake low and no saturated fat or cholesterol, it’s easy I wont even have to work out that much I have done it before.

          • Brux

            Would some doctor here please tell this individual that trying to lose 70 pounds in 3 months or 90 days is not recommended and unhealthy, not to mention unrealistic.

            Although I think he is just trolling for fun and so qualifies as a real “you know what.”

          • 30kg fat in 3 months is 1kg of fat every 3 days. That’s 3000 calories a day. Plus the 4000 he claims to be eating makes 7000 calories a day.

            I burn 2200 calories cycling 75 miles with 2000 metres of ascent. So would need to be doing at least twice that in exercise every day for 3 months.

          • crystalgridder

            No I am not trolling and I have pictures to prove it I think its perfectly healthy to lose the weight as fast as possible and not be obese obesity is dangerous. Being fit and eating plenty of nutritious food like fruits grains vegetables and nuts and seeds is not dangerous as long as I feel OK and satisfied. Why would I joke about such a serious matter? No hate man towards you but, I am doing what I said regardless. It took me 4 months last time to lose the weight and I kept at like 170 to 175 pounds for a 6 month period eating high carbohydrate low fat vegan. What was really bad and unhealthy was I lost track of my goals and gained back the weight in about that same amount of time eating a lot of junk foods such as steak, eggs, pizza, high fat chips, and stuff with lots of fat content. I wont post my pictures to you but, if a doctor wanted to see then that’s OK I guess. I feel like you are trying to troll me but, maybe you haven’t actually seen anyone actually lose weight that fast so I won’t hold it against you, I didn’t think it was realistic at a time earlier in my life either but, I never thought it was unhealthy, peace.

          • Your statement is changing. Last time it was 3 months to 170, now it’s 4 months to 170 to 175. Even at 4 months to 175 from 240 is 65 lb loss. 65lb of fat in the next 4 months is 2157 calories a day. Plus the 4000 you say you’re going to eat that makes you need to burn 6157 calories a day. Which you claim is easy and you don’t even have to work out that much.

            That’s olympic athlete levels of calories you claim to be able to burn with not working out that much. You’re really not adding up.

          • crystalgridder

            Maybe it was a miracle but it happened I was working outside gardening everyday that’s about it with the exception that I would do few pushups or run about maybe 3 to 5 miles a week once I got leaner but, that is not much.

          • 2tsaybow

            Hi crystalgridder,

            I’ve been on a WFPB diet for about one year now. I started out at 240 and I’m down to 195 (I’m 5’9″). I recently listened to Penn Jillette’s Sunday School about how he lost his weight. He worked with his doctor and a scientist named Ray Cronise. Ray has a blog called It is worth looking into some of the methods he suggests to increase weight loss, particularly if you live in an area that is going to get cooler as we head into Winter.

            Basically, Penn went on a WFPB diet and then used Ray’s concepts to increase his weight loss. I have been happy lose to the first forty five pounds over the past year, but like you I would like to get down to 170 pounds and it might be nice to get it off a little faster.

            If you don’t mind a bit of a chill in your life and if your doc says you’re healthy you might want to try it. Here’s his research paper:

          • crystalgridder

            Cool man sounds great I try to stay cool I’m a really warm blooded type of person anyways so I like the cold weather. Penn Jillette is pretty awesome as well and I hope your weight burns fast as you would like it to.

          • crystalgridder

            I think it might have been all the antioxidants and flavonoids I was eating here is a few videos from Dr. Greger concerning it.

          • If anti-oxidants and flavanoids can help people burn over 6,000 calories a day without hardly any exercise then i think the world would know about it and obesity would be a thing of the past. I’m at 70.3 triathlon level training and i don’t even burn that even with a wholefood low fat vegan diet massively high in anti-oxidants and flavanoids.

            If i ate 4000 calories every day i would gain weight even with all the exercise i do – and i am on a hclf wholefood vegan diet.

            And the fact that you started by claiming you lost 70lb in 3 months while eating 4000 calories a day and when that was questioned it became 65-70lb in 4 months says that you’re making this up as you go along. The truth doesn’t change, the truth would remain the same. There is no way you can burn over 6000 calories a day without some serious physical exercise. I know i can burn that in one day if i did a whole 70.3 that day, but there’s no way i can do a 70.3 day after day after day for 4 months. Sorry, i cannot believe that that is possible whatsoever.

          • crystalgridder

            I don’t think my body uses every calorie it gets if it gets a surplus. hell I have a friends that eats like 4000 calories and he is my same height and he eats junk and he still isn’t fat but he plays video games all day long his weight is 152 he said. You think I am lying but, I promise I am not and yes I changed from 3 months to 4 because I didn’t track how long it took I just know it was between 3 and 4 months. hell it could’ve been 5 months but you still wouldn’t believe me so I don’t think it matters that much at this point. Just go bother someone else and tell them they are lying I don’t care what you think. I know what I know, you know what you know that’s it.

        • Joseph Gonzales R.D.

          The chia and flax should be just fine. Dr. G always talks about quality over quantity. ​Here is a great video by Dr. Greger that explains the research between nut intake and body weight. Make sure to checkout the bottom of the video’s “Doctors Note” to see more links and info. Lastly, a follow-up to that video is solving the mystery of the missing calories, which may also help.​

          • crystalgridder

            Yes that helped me feel better about my consumption of chia seeds and nuts and seeds in general especially in regards to why I find it has been working it seems for me. Thanks Mr. Gonzales.

      • Thea

        Brux: Nice post.

        One suggestion: It’s just a tiny, tiny typo, but it affects/confuses the main crux of your post: ” the only way I can do it is to eat a lot of lot caloric density stuff” Someone who is not familiar with the concept may not realize that you meant to write, “a lot of low caloric density stuff”. They would need to know about the concept of low calorie density in order to look it up and learn more. Just mentioning it in case you would like to fix that one word.

        • Brux

          Thanks … missed that.

  • I have an allergic response to Kiwi (although I don’t know if it is a true allergy or Oral Allergic Syndrome, the result is unwelcome). What fruit would you suggest to be the Kiwi’s next of kin? Is there any fruit with similar benefits? My current winter fruit regimen is: orange, banana, apple, frozen cherries, and some pears, frozen blueberries, grapefruit frozen/fresh mango and avocado depending on what looks good and is a good price. I get around my response to apples by slicing and microwaving them and sprinkling them with cinnamon. Cooked kiwi doesn’t sound as appetizing-but I may experimenting with poaching and salad dressings. I am “allergic” to apples, strawberries, pineapples & kiwis. I have sometimes have an oral response to cantaloupe or another fresh fruit, and walnuts. The problem appears to be increasing over the years.