The sex steroids found naturally in animal products likely exceed the hormonal impacts of endocrine-disrupting chemical pollutants.
Estrogen in Meat, Dairy, & Eggs
Doctor's Note
What kind of human health effects? Check out the sequel, my next video: Why Do Vegan Women Have 5x Fewer Twins?
What effects might these female hormones have on men? See Dairy Estrogen and Male Fertility.
The implications of this relatively new practice of milking cows even when they’re pregnant is further explored in:
- National Dairy Council on Acne and Milk
- The Acne-Promoting Effects of Milk
- Saving Lives By Treating Acne With Diet
More on xenoestrogens in:
- Male Fertility and Diet
- Alkylphenol Endocrine Disruptors and Allergies
- Dietary Sources of Alkylphenol Endocrine Disruptors
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In addition to fish having gender confusion, could estrogens in meat and other foods also lead to more cancer, particularly estrogen sensitive cancers? If so, what can be done to prevent this. I understand that even plastic water bottles contain estrogens. Perhaps we should avoid these.
Yes. Search Diethylstilbestrol (DES) on the net. You’ll find DES Daughters and DES Sons. It took the former years to get the CDC to admit DES was causing their diseases.
boy breasts from the gym suppliments? breast cancer in the same setting? ya think a link?
Yes and we should also avoid chicken wings, because that’s where the growth hormones are injected, and those cause tumors in the femal organs. Plastic bottles are the cause of infertility and a lower IQ in children.
Chicken in USA is not injected with hormone, only Cattles do.
Technically, cattle it is not “injected” with hormones, but by using “implant” under the ear. This implant give a steady slow release of estrogen hormone which promote growth in the cattles.
That is actually illegal in Canada and the USA and has been since the 1960’s. Perhaps you are referring to such a practice in another country?
or even lead to gender confusion to humans or even homosexuality? taboo taboo….
estrogen mimicers. estrogen disruptors, not estrogens.
The first link in the note is broken
Pretty good guide on what to eat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI6tBwVjyOY
This isn’t exactly on subject but it is about food marketing especially meat. The power of willful ignorance. Just a 7 min. clip.
http://www.upworthy.com/no-one-applauds-this-woman-because-theyre-too-creeped-out-at-themselves-to-put-their-hands-together?
Great script! Loved the secret weapon.
jj: Powerful talk. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks so much!
Since I stopped eating dairy last summer my periods have gotten lighter and easier. I am assuming this is related? Anyway the deterioration of our food supply makes me angry, and here is another example. Ugh.
Indeed, dairy is a cocktail soup of hormones, and this is not dependent upon the growing conditions of the cow, but an inherent product in milk.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/dairy-sexual-precocity/
Excited to hear about you pursuing nutrition as a career. We need you. And Happy Holidays.
Gale
Thank you, and happy holidays to you too!
Generally women find decrease in flow, frequency and less pain during menses for a number of reasons… less estrogen, more fiber being two of the most significant. For more information and references see the video… http://nutritionfacts.org/video/dietary-treatment-for-painful-menstrual-periods/. Keep tuned in as the science keeps coming. Happy Holidays.
Makes me sick to my stomach what they have done to our food. I an about to go vegan
Isn’t it sad (and ironic) to see people eating a paleo diet and avoiding soy because of beneficial plant estrogen,but they’ll gladly consume the real stuff?
Why don’t animal products come with warning labels like you see on the packages of pharmaceutical drugs?
It’s obvious because the question of their detrimental effects is far from decided.
Take dairy, for example, you can find studies which say it is bad for you (can promote cancer etc.) And you can find studies which actually say dairy prevents cancer.
It depends on your bias what to believe.
unf, please share these studies linking dairy with decreased cancer rates. I am curious.
Here are just a few examples
‘Kefir extracts suppress in vitro proliferation of estrogen-dependent human breast cancer cells but not normal mammary epithelial cells.’ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17887934
‘Fat from different foods show diverging relations with breast cancer risk in postmenopausal women.’ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16573374
‘Cultured milk, yogurt, and dairy intake in relation to bladder cancer risk in a prospective study of Swedish women and men.’ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18842797
‘Propionibacteria induce apoptosis of colorectal carcinoma cells via short-chain fatty acids acting on mitochondria.’
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11840168
The common theme in these studies seems to be when the milk is fermented it shows benefit either by association or in vitro. Perhaps this may be a function of the bacteria rather then the dairy itself being protective. In the abstract of it is stated that “Unfermented milk extracts stimulated proliferation of MCF-7 cells and HMECs ” which leads me to this conclusion. Perhaps the positive change in gut flora may account for these attributions. Short chain fatty acids are already produced by the bacteria in our gut if a healthy flora is present. I would still not count out the effects of saturated fat and trans fat (from kefir) as well as the IGF-1 raising effects of dairy itself. I doubt that the fermentation would negate this. Either way, it is interesting to note the effect of fermentation on foods.
i think we can at least conclude that the safest dairy products are low-fat fermented ones which have been consumed traditionally in some cultures like kefir. It resembles the situation with soy products where it appears fermented ones like tempeh are safer and better than not fermented.
Any food has its bad and good sides. I don’t think demonizing any food is a good idea.
The difference is, soy is good either way. Food is a package deal, and its important to recognize good components and bad ones and weigh it out. Dairy is overall harmful, and even if fermented, the IGF-1 raising effects of dairy are not negated.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/igf-1-as-one-stop-cancer-shop/
In addition, we really don’t know what the in vivo effects are in terms of xenoestrogens. Perhaps when consumed, digested and absorbed, the xenostregens are more pronounced then when pure Keir is dripped on cells. The studies you provided are extremely limited in scope so extrapolating too much from them is unwise and difficult.
>soy is good either way
It is VERY controversial. You can find studies supporting pros and cons about soy.
A great lot of science backing the videos on the site is based on such ‘in vitro’ studies with a petri dish, you know that. And a lot of respective conclusions are drawn from such studies. So, as I said in the above post it depends on your bias what to believe.
If we don’t follow any vegan agenda and really want to help people get comprehensive information about health nutrition (not vegan nutrition) then we should at least mention such studies about products we tend to demonize like dairy etc. as well as we ought to provide various views on soy because there are many conflicting study results about it.
The negative effects of soy are generally found in studies involving soy isolates / soy protein concentrates, such as hydrolyzed soy protein. This is where the “whole” in “whole-food, plant-based diet” becomes important.
Women consuming the most soy products have a
lower risk of breast cancer recurrence, according to a new study published in
the Canadian Medical Association Journal.
Kang X, Zhang Q, Wang
S, Huang X, Jin S. Effect of soy isoflavones on breast cancer recurrence and
death for patients receiving adjuvant endocrine therapy. CMAJ. Published ahead of print October 18, 2010:
doi:10.1503/cmaj.091298.
A study in this
month’s Journal of the Academy of
Nutrition and Dietetics shows that soy products have a marked
anti-inflammatory effect. Researchers examined the diets and measures of
inflammation in 1,005 middle-aged Chinese women who were part of the Shanghai
Women’s Health Study.
The
more soy products the women consumed, the less inflammation they experienced. Inflammation
is linked to cancer, type 2 diabetes, and cardiovascular disease.
Wu SH, Shu XO, Chow
WH, et al. Soy food intake and circulating levels of inflammatory markers in
Chinese Women. J Acad Nutr Diet.
2012;112:996-1004.
A new study looking
at more than 1,500 Asian-American women living in California and Hawaii showed
that those with the highest intake of soy during childhood (younger than 12
years old) had a 60 percent lower risk of developing breast cancer later in
life. Regular soy consumption in adolescence (12 to 19 years old) and adulthood
(20 years old and older) also had a protective effect but with 20 and 25
percent reductions in risk, respectively.1
Korde LA, Wu AH, Fears T, et al. Childhood soy
intake and breast cancer risk in Asian American women. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2009;18:OF1-OF10.
unf, the evidence in regards to soy is complete and coherent. Soy is beneficial. You can find many studies showing this. The controversy lies in the media and misinformed individuals, not the evidence.
http://nutritionfacts.org/?s=soy
Also, your response does not address my main point, that being, food is a package deal. There is good and bad, and bad outweighs the good for dairy products due to a variety of reasons. Fermentation from bacteria may be helpful, but it does not negate the negative consequences of consuming this food (i.e. IGF-1)
Toxins
you are absolutely right about soy. Controversy created is by the American Dairy Association.
To me it appears that they have some people like unf to keep controversy going. NIH has study going to see
if consumption of soy reduces risk of breast cancer while there are blogs talking about estrogenic effects of soy
may increase the risk.
If you haven’t seen them yet, Dr. Greger has shared several studies showing just that.
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/breast-cancer-survival-and-soy/
in addition to these
http://nutritionfacts.org/?s=soy
Thank you Toxins for providing the links.
I will save them for some of patients who still believe benefit of Soy are still controversial.
I think you should check out this link also. Soy is not completely safe even according to Dr. Greger http://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-much-soy-is-too-much/
There’s a continuing fighting berween soy and dairy corporations. Both parties sponsor studies etc.
unf13
thanks for sharing the link.I advise my patients to limit soy servings to 5 per day. that appears safe
by most studies.
Soy protein increase IGF-1 more than cows milk…
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12629084
Soy protein isolate yes, soy in large amounts too. Please see here
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-much-soy-is-too-much/
I am wondering if the IGF-1 in dairy, is the same growth hormone touted in the growth hormones they sell to help you lose weight, gain more muscle, and extend longevity.
It likely is, I have seen “human growth hormone” sold as supplements.
fail. see my intro link above
wonder no more. related not same. both are catabolic, carbs for energy (as for more muscle, that is the testosterone anabolic steroids, a different class.)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC300772/
not long ago soy was for cows not humans. We now know that the “natural estrogens” are not all positive. We also know that unfermented soy has other compounds best avoided. but thats for you to read up, not me to beat my head against you to believe.
As for your seeming “natural is good” blindness. I got as list for that! 1001 natural poisons, some of them extremely painful but unfortunately slow.
Please view the linked videos. Human studies have shown benefit in amounts that are normally consumed (3-5 servings). Please provide studies if you have disagreements with the studies provided.
So true. If these items were labeled I think people would think twice before consuming them.
my problem is getting enough calcium on a vegan diet. I don’t want to eat artificial dairy products or artificial yogurts full of sugar or non dairy milks with horrible ingredients. I know greens are great but there are only so many I can eat in a day :( I do soak almonds and make a glass of almond milk daily and eat a serving of greens daily but otherwise I cannot say my vegan diet is full of calcium :(
brit: Many tofus are set using calcium. So, tofu can be a great source of calcium. Just another suggestion for you.
I am guessing that you are concerned about calcium because you are concerned about your bones. There is no doubt that calcium is important. However, by focusing so much on calcium, some cultures have lost the point: that bone health is *far* more complicated than just how much calcium one takes in. Bone health is a matter of how much of all the bone minerals one takes in, plus how much we avoid “calcium thieves” (a term in the book “Becoming Vegan”), and how much weight bearing exercise we get.
To make sure you balance out the various factors for bone health, I highly recommend one or both of these resources:
1) Becoming Vegan – Express Edition by Brenda Davis and Vesanto Melaina (a great overall reference book)
and/or
2) Building Bone Vitality: A Revolutionary Diet Plan to Prevent Bone Loss and Reverse Osteoporosis–Without Dairy Foods, Calcium, Estrogen, or Drugs (wonderful book focusing solely on bone health)
If you are interested, here are the links to buy the books:
http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Vegan-Express-Plant-based-Nutrition/dp/1570672954/ref=sr_1_1_twi_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1419465869&sr=1-1&keywords=becoming+vegan+brenda+davis
http://www.amazon.com/Building-Bone-Vitality-Revolutionary-Osteoporosis–Without/dp/0071600191/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1419465810&sr=1-1&keywords=building+bone+vitality
I hope that helps and good luck!
Personally, I rather survive on 300mg of calcium rather than consume tofu or dairy…
Better to take plant calcium supplements if you are worried about more calcium but I suggest also considering
other items like D3,K2,zinc,B12 and iodine if you consume little salt.
Richard: Personally, I wasn’t much of a tofu fan myself when I first started trying to eat healthy. But I’ve come to like it a lot in many dishes.
re: dairy – I certainly wasn’t recommending that!
I did not say anything about the taste of tofu….sugar taste great to most people also, should we all eat more of it? I ate loads of tofu in Japan and China but in the US I would stick to fermented soy…
excessive calcium in the diet (suppliment pills) reported by Dr Weil in a book to have caused a chemical psychosis, woman would have been put on pharma but they cut the suppliment and she remitted.
Thank you for recommending this book by Brenda Davis on Calcium and veganism.
Calcium needs for humans are not as high as the DRI may recommend, and if we consumed a low sodium diet low in animal protein, our calcium needs can be as low as 450 mg per day as discussed more extensively in this article from the Food and Agriculture Organization of the UN. As represented in the figure below, and citing from the article “In a western-style diet, absorbed calcium matches urinary and skin calcium at an intake of 840 mg as in Figure 14. Reducing animal protein intakes by 40 g reduces the intercept [calcium balance] value and requirement to 600 mg. Reducing both sodium and protein reduces the intercept value to 450 mg.”
http://www.fao.org/docrep/004/Y2809E/y2809e0h.htm#bm17
Eating beans, greens, veggies, and tubers can provide quite a bit of calcium!
Some fruits contains a lot of calcium also, citrus, figs and more~
Don’t forget Blackstrap molasses, which has 20% of the RDI for calcium in just one tablespoon.
I still need to buy it Daniel, I remember you telling us about that a while ago.
Sesame and poppy seeds have probably the highest calcium amount. But it also depends on what RDI you believe is right. The official 1000 mg or the possible 450 mg as Toxins pointed out.
450 mg looks achievable to me. Otherwise a supplement is a way to go.
Unless you a chimp eating all day long it’s highly doubtful that you can get a 1000 mg from greens.
you get but dont metabolize enough kali. check vit D levels. i use 5000i.u. daily for osteoporosis (medically induced btw) maybe even some o.t.c. vit K but DO NOT use the HUGE dose prescription pills. they will set your bllod to concrete. they are special situation use for hemop[hiliacs.
No more subtitles on the videos or is it temporary? i had to go on youtube to have them~
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What about animal manure put onto fields, and then organic produce grown in that soil? Do the plants absorb the hormones?
they get into raptor birds far far from civilization, along with our phamaceuticals… somewhere down the food chain from the hawk and eagle theres a plant…
So I eat, drink low fat dairy for calcium, and I love cheese. Had my hormones checked and I am normal/low estrogen, low testosterone. What’s up?
If you’re concerned about the “low normal” levels, a healthy exercise program can help increase levels of certain reproductive hormones. If you’re wondering why your levels aren’t higher than normal given your diet, this could be simply because our bodies have regulatory systems in place to keep hormone levels within a specific range. If your consuming a significant amount of a hormone your body’s own production of that hormone may decrease as a result.
my traditional chineese doc laughs when I mention “normal” levels. I learned to laugh a bit too after discussing other peoples levels well into normal to admirable but still sick as a dog regarding hepatitis. liver tests fine, liver dying.
Also, I had total hysterectomy including ovaries 12yrs. ago, I am 56 now.
I have a question. Do these animal estrogens and hormones in Milk get converted to simpler compounds when you make yogurt at home from organic milk?
can going vegan mess with your hormones? there are a lot of hormones in the meat, dairy, and eggs I ate and now I no longer eat them. I’ve been vegan since august 2014. My skin is breaking out horribly on my back chest and face and I’m having hot flashes. I was on Byaz birth control and now I’m on Camres but things seem to be getting worse. All my doctor wants to do is keep trying new birth controls and of course is trying to give me the “vegan is bad” talk every time I see her. I refuse to quit my vegan diet, but I do not know what to do about my crazy hormones. advice?
Hi shayna, Thanks for your question. it is hard to say how your new diet is impacting hormone levels. A whole foods plant-based diet certainly has lots of fiber, which can modulate hormones. Generally, this is a good thing and women eating fiber-rich diets tend to have several health benefits. Is the main concern is dealing with the hot flashes and acne? Was this not a concern before August 2014? I am afraid I have more questions than answers, I’m sorry. Are their specific reasons why your doctor is saying the a vegan diet is bad? That is a very general statement. I feel all diets have the potential to be “bad”. I’ll check with one of our star volunteer doctor’s to see if she has further input. Maybe some of these videos can help in the meantime on hot flashes and acne.
Best regards,
Joseph
Hi shayna, Thanks for your question. it is hard to say how your new diet is impacting hormone levels. A whole foods plant-based diet certainly has lots of fiber, which can modulate hormones. Generally, this is a good thing and women eating fiber-rich diets tend to have several health benefits. Is the main concern is dealing with the hot flashes and acne? Was this not a concern before August 2014? I am afraid I have more questions than answers, I’m sorry. Are their specific reasons why your doctor is saying the a vegan diet is bad? That is a very general statement. I feel all diets have the potential to be “bad”. I’ll check with one of our star volunteer doctor’s to see if she has further input. Maybe some of these videos can help in the meantime on hot flashes and acne.
Best regards,
Joseph
B vits? p.h. change of skin?
I know I’m 3 years late, but your problem clearly comes from hormonal birth control – not diet. I highly recommend the book ‘Taking Charge of Your Fertility’ (for contraception and identifying health issues) and the ‘Period Repair Manual’, as well as the author’s blog posts – she’s against vegetarianism and plant-based diets, but she gives a lot of helpful advice.
Today I learned: Farmers feed chicken manuer to animals to save money on animal feed. #ew
cows are fed zinc and chickens are fed arsenic. look thqat up while your steaming over industrial food. And then realize where all the phosphate fertilizer to mine vegies (even organic asllows rock phosphate) comes from. Its all radioactive because when those phosphorous containing organisms were laying it down, the natural radioactives fit well in the latice. I learned this from conversing with someone who just happened to be setting next to me and we started a discussion wherein I learned a bit of what a crystalographer knows about other things. coral also…go organic if you care to be clean ethically morally and bodily. but puleeeeze dont fall for tghe newage stupid that all “natural” is benisn. Cyanide from apples can kill you. dont eat a potato leaf, and ouch if you eat the eyes! mother nature can be a bitch. Ask Kali!
Could you please talk about the effects on the health of women taking birth control pills? I would appreciate some insight!
Go Vegan. Better for you, better for the planet, and more importantly, better for the animals.
Hi, I want to know the relationship between PCOS and meat+dairy. Plz do a video specifically for PCOS doc!
Does fish and sea food also contain estrogen?
From what I’ve read, estrogen works in fish differently than mammals and birds and isn’t in as high concentrations (take that with a grain of salt) However what you definitely have to worry about in fish and sea food is their high levels of MERCURY and other toxins that are bioaccumulated and can lead to memory loss (even dementia), hair loss, and many other health problems if consumed regularly.
Good question.
And how do we know if xeno-estrogen and natural estrogen have the same effect on fish and insect?
I think it is premature to say that natural estrogen causing all of these. I’m quite skeptical, because Organic natural estrogen breaks down quickly in the soil and water, unlike man-made chemical based Xeno-estrogen which may take years or decades to breakdown… we don’t even know how long it takes for plastics to breakdown?
I’ve been eating 3-4 complete eggs daily for about three months. My LDL “bad cholesterol” dropped to 82 (from 120), BUT my estradial level jumped to 51. That’s about 30 points higher than ideal for a mature man. Any ideas anyone?
I can’t seem to find information about natural estrogen found in chicken egg
I know that there are tons of Phytoestrogen in Soy and Flax seeds.
http://www.pkdiet.com/pdf/pld/phytoestrogen.pdf
What do you make of the recent study that says milk does not raise estrogen levels in mice?
https://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/consumption-of-natural-estrogens-in-cows-milk-does-not-affect-blood-levels-or-reproductive-health
Great article
Science made alot of assumptions, they simply assumed if you eat estrogen you raise your estrogen level. Forgetting the fact that estrogen hormone from one species may be different from another species. And whether or not the body actually use the estrogen.
I am wondering how these levels of estrogen may be/are affecting my daughter who was diagnosed with Hashimoto’s. I’d like to do something for her other than just say “take this hormone for the rest of your life or until it gets bad enough your thyroid dies.”
Does anyone have other recommendations for Hashimoto’s help? I’ve ordered the Hashimoto’s Protocol book recently….
First of all, you’re measuring Estrogen from animal piss and poo not the meat itself. Why not? Why test the piss when the meat is there for the testing?
Second, Organic estrogen breaks down quickly when exposed to oxygen and soil microbes. The same way as proteins decompose in soil.
Third, Estrogen measured in drinking water is XENO-estrogen not organic estrogen, why?? Read my second point again!
Fourth, IF animal poop and piss cause the estrogenization of our water and feminization of fish, AAAAALL fish would’ve turned female alooooooong time ago. Land animals have existed for millions of years on planet Earth, they have been pissing and pooping looooooooooong before humanity came along and domesticate them in farm.
There were estimated 60 millions Buffalos (where do their piss and poop went? Did aquatic lives turned feminized in 16th century?) before white men arrived in N. America continent, and they are staple food for American Indians. And NO, American Indian men are not feminized from eating Buffalo meat.
If Chicken estrogen is identical to human’s estrogen, how do they know if the estrogen found in drinking water came from chickens or humans?
There are 7 billions of humans on the planet you know?
I don’t get it, if you go back 1000’s of years ago before humans engage in animal farming. There were millions of animals roaming freely on Earth, they are pooping and peeing everywhere. The difference between 1000s of years ago and today is, there are more humans on Earth and those animals living in the farm rather than the wild. What happened to the animal’s excrement and the estrogen content back then?
And how do we know if natural estrogen have the same effect as xeno-estrogen from man-made chemical? or not?
Not to sound rude but this is such a naive comment. Simply put, it sounds like you haven’t thought this through
“There are more humans on earth.” In this very video Dr. Greger says animals produce much more estrogen than humans do in excrecment. Think about it dude, there are 7 billion humans and tens or hundreds of billions of cows, chickens, pigs, etc born every year. Lot more animals than there are humans.
You are talking about a time before animal farming. Before the animals were living in very small buildings with all their hundreds of thousands of pounds of estrogen containing feces (among other things the feces contains).
“What happened to the animal’s excrement and the estrogen content back then?” It was widely dispersed in the environment. It was not contained in huge quantities in thousands of lagoons, wastewater lagoons, polluted lakes and streams etc. Plus we are feeding the animals high levels of estrogen. So it all just gets so concentrated in the animals. Plus we feed dead animals (with all their estrogen) back to animals that are still alive.
As you can see any contaminant or toxin (there are many) involved in animal agriculture in anyway is bound to stuck in a poison cycle and wreak havoc.
Why no comment about the Keto diet? Seems to fly in the face of all that the Doctor suggest.
His silence is glaring and leads me to believe he is scared to tackle the challenge.
Please step out of the shadows an fight back, your my idle, inform us!
What’s the total estrogen content of eggs?