Best Food to Counter Stress-Induced Immune Suppression

Best Food to Counter Stress-Induced Immune Suppression
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How to improve immune function in children and adults under physical or psychological stress.

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“Natural immunomodulators are getting more and more popular [things that might naturally regulate our immune system]. That popularity, however, often brings over-optimistic claims and mediocre effects.” Such mythical beasts “have been sought [after] for centuries. The current market is full [of all sorts of supplements] promising the golden fleece–inexpensive,” no side effects, yet actively boosting our immune system. Many simply repeat unjustified claims “with hardly any” science to support them.

On the other hand, there is beta-glucan, which has “undergone…10,000 scientific studies…and…clinical trials. Wait, what? Beta-glucan is the fiber in nutritional yeast I talked about before—able to decrease episodes of common illnesses in young children. But what about in adults?

First of all, why can’t they just come up with a vaccine against the common-cold virus? Because there is no single common-cold virus; there are hundreds of different viruses implicated in causing cold-like symptoms. So, that’s why there’s so much interest in finding a general, nonspecific immune booster, across the board.

Beta-glucan supplementation can increase the levels of immunoglobulin A in the saliva within four days, at a daily dose of 400mg, but not 100mg. So, the amount found in about two teaspoons of nutritional yeast a day; but not a half-teaspoon. (IgA is an antibody that plays a crucial role in the immune function of our moist membranes, like eyes, nose, and mouth.) One teaspoon’s worth didn’t do much, until they exercised.

Two hours after a serious 50-minute bout of strenuous cycling in a hot, humid environment, those who had been on the yeast beta-glucan did get that IgA boost. Beta-glucans failed, however, to boost the antimicrobial activity of white blood cells taken from subjects who had been taking like a tablespoon’s worth a day. What we care about, though, are clinical outcomes. Do those consuming beta-glucans suffer significantly fewer infections?

Okay. How about a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled nutritional study to see if yeast beta-glucan can improve our “immune defense system.” 100 people followed for 26 weeks; 50 getting about a tablespoon of nutritional yeast worth of beta-glucan a day; 50 getting a placebo. And they just counted how many episodes of the common cold they got, and there was “no significant difference.” Now, if you just look at the first half of the time, during cold season, there did appear to be fewer infections in the active group, meaning the beta-glucan group. But, this is what’s called a “post-hoc” analysis, where you go back and look at your data after the fact—which is frowned upon by the scientific community, because it increases the likelihood that your findings are just due to chance. But, those who did end up getting sick while on the beta-glucan did genuinely appear to suffer milder symptoms. A similar, larger study had similar findings. Maybe the severity of the colds was lessened, but, in the main analysis, no significant difference in the number of times people got colds in the first place.

Same in other studies: “no significant differences…in the number of [symptomatic respiratory infection] episodes.” No significant effect on upper respiratory tract infection outcomes. So, overall, pretty disappointing results.

But, wait a second. What about my video about preserving immune function in athletes with nutritional yeast? They found a significant drop in cold symptoms two weeks and four weeks after a marathon at both one teaspoon of yeast worth of beta-glucan a day, and two teaspoons. Yeah, but they had just run a marathon. Remember this study, where the effect only seemed to emerge after strenuous exercise? That’s where beta-glucan seems to shine: counteracting the toll extreme physical exertion can have on our immune function.

In an athlete, that just may mean some lost practice days or something, but for soldiers or firefighters, maintaining one’s health, even in the context of heavy physical stress, could be critical. Okay. But, that’s counteracting the effects of physical stress; what about mental stress?

Stressful life events can impair our moist membrane defenses, such that “psychological stress [has also] been shown to increase susceptibility to the common cold,” getting more colds, and worse colds, than people under less stress. So, let’s see if we can help. Indeed, in this study of healthy women under moderate levels of perceived psychological stress, those taking about a teaspoon of nutritional yeast a day worth of beta-glucans for 12 weeks were 60% less likely to report experiencing symptoms, like sore throat, stuffed or runny nose, or cough—strongly suggesting that baker’s, brewer’s, and nutritional yeast “beta-glucan is able to counteract the negative effects of stress on the immune system.” And, they experienced 41% greater vigor (which is a measure that encompasses “physical energy, mental acuity, and emotional well-being”). So, they just felt better, too.

Put all the studies together, and yeast beta-glucans do appear to have immune-strengthening effects, at least in children, and those under physical or mental stress.

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

“Natural immunomodulators are getting more and more popular [things that might naturally regulate our immune system]. That popularity, however, often brings over-optimistic claims and mediocre effects.” Such mythical beasts “have been sought [after] for centuries. The current market is full [of all sorts of supplements] promising the golden fleece–inexpensive,” no side effects, yet actively boosting our immune system. Many simply repeat unjustified claims “with hardly any” science to support them.

On the other hand, there is beta-glucan, which has “undergone…10,000 scientific studies…and…clinical trials. Wait, what? Beta-glucan is the fiber in nutritional yeast I talked about before—able to decrease episodes of common illnesses in young children. But what about in adults?

First of all, why can’t they just come up with a vaccine against the common-cold virus? Because there is no single common-cold virus; there are hundreds of different viruses implicated in causing cold-like symptoms. So, that’s why there’s so much interest in finding a general, nonspecific immune booster, across the board.

Beta-glucan supplementation can increase the levels of immunoglobulin A in the saliva within four days, at a daily dose of 400mg, but not 100mg. So, the amount found in about two teaspoons of nutritional yeast a day; but not a half-teaspoon. (IgA is an antibody that plays a crucial role in the immune function of our moist membranes, like eyes, nose, and mouth.) One teaspoon’s worth didn’t do much, until they exercised.

Two hours after a serious 50-minute bout of strenuous cycling in a hot, humid environment, those who had been on the yeast beta-glucan did get that IgA boost. Beta-glucans failed, however, to boost the antimicrobial activity of white blood cells taken from subjects who had been taking like a tablespoon’s worth a day. What we care about, though, are clinical outcomes. Do those consuming beta-glucans suffer significantly fewer infections?

Okay. How about a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled nutritional study to see if yeast beta-glucan can improve our “immune defense system.” 100 people followed for 26 weeks; 50 getting about a tablespoon of nutritional yeast worth of beta-glucan a day; 50 getting a placebo. And they just counted how many episodes of the common cold they got, and there was “no significant difference.” Now, if you just look at the first half of the time, during cold season, there did appear to be fewer infections in the active group, meaning the beta-glucan group. But, this is what’s called a “post-hoc” analysis, where you go back and look at your data after the fact—which is frowned upon by the scientific community, because it increases the likelihood that your findings are just due to chance. But, those who did end up getting sick while on the beta-glucan did genuinely appear to suffer milder symptoms. A similar, larger study had similar findings. Maybe the severity of the colds was lessened, but, in the main analysis, no significant difference in the number of times people got colds in the first place.

Same in other studies: “no significant differences…in the number of [symptomatic respiratory infection] episodes.” No significant effect on upper respiratory tract infection outcomes. So, overall, pretty disappointing results.

But, wait a second. What about my video about preserving immune function in athletes with nutritional yeast? They found a significant drop in cold symptoms two weeks and four weeks after a marathon at both one teaspoon of yeast worth of beta-glucan a day, and two teaspoons. Yeah, but they had just run a marathon. Remember this study, where the effect only seemed to emerge after strenuous exercise? That’s where beta-glucan seems to shine: counteracting the toll extreme physical exertion can have on our immune function.

In an athlete, that just may mean some lost practice days or something, but for soldiers or firefighters, maintaining one’s health, even in the context of heavy physical stress, could be critical. Okay. But, that’s counteracting the effects of physical stress; what about mental stress?

Stressful life events can impair our moist membrane defenses, such that “psychological stress [has also] been shown to increase susceptibility to the common cold,” getting more colds, and worse colds, than people under less stress. So, let’s see if we can help. Indeed, in this study of healthy women under moderate levels of perceived psychological stress, those taking about a teaspoon of nutritional yeast a day worth of beta-glucans for 12 weeks were 60% less likely to report experiencing symptoms, like sore throat, stuffed or runny nose, or cough—strongly suggesting that baker’s, brewer’s, and nutritional yeast “beta-glucan is able to counteract the negative effects of stress on the immune system.” And, they experienced 41% greater vigor (which is a measure that encompasses “physical energy, mental acuity, and emotional well-being”). So, they just felt better, too.

Put all the studies together, and yeast beta-glucans do appear to have immune-strengthening effects, at least in children, and those under physical or mental stress.

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      1. Susan: Thank you for the information and the link. You brought me good news. I eat oats with extra oat bran added for breakfast everyday.

      2. With a subject that is so important such as beta glucan, Dr G zoomed in a single food, i.e. nutritional yeast, and ignore the most important source of beta glucan which is mushroom. Sigh!

        Why such a poor research? What happened to all the time spent at the library and all the volunteered staff? Either it’s because Dr G is too busy cherry picking “researches”, or he goes to a library that is poorly run by Steve. Or both.

        1. Jerry, I don’t see you putting up a website to help people to improve their health. I don’t see you writing a book to improve people’s health. I don’t see you doing anything to improve people’s health. All I see you doing is spouting out information that will cause people to accumulate plaque in their arteries. All I see you doing is trying to discourage people from benefiting from Dr. Greger’s research, which if followed will improve their health. You should be ashamed of yourself.

    1. Hi George –

      Have you tried different brands? Nutritional yeasts vary widely in how their manufacturers process them – some at high heat and even toasted (making AGEs which you might have a reaction to), others (like Lewis Labs) process at much lower temperatures. And then one has the potential problem of contaminants or even adulterants in some brands, a problem that one needs to factor in for pretty much any food, especially processed foods these days.

      If you only had this problem with one brand – or with brands processed at higher temperatures, you might want to try others. I’ve taken nutritional yeast for years, and personally consider it as a super-food.

      Also, as a point of clarification, I want to point out that in this video Greger mentioned: “There is beta-glucan, which has “undergone…10,000 scientific studies…and…clinical trials.”

      10,000 studies on beta-glucans – but have any of these looked at the effect of nutritional yeast as such?

      Studies on the effect of beta-glucans, isolated from yeast when taken as a supplement may not apply to taking whole nutritional yeast even if it has the same amount, as Dr. Greger blithely assumes it will.

      Why wouldn’t it? Well, for example, the bioavailability of the beta-glucans in nutritional yeast might seem much less than for isolated and purified beta- glucans. I’d expect that getting a similar effect from nutritional yeast might require a lot more to get an effective dose, and even then it might not work, as nutritional yeast has a lot more in it than beta-glucans, and these might antagonistically interfere with the effect, or alternatively, synergistically enhance it. However, without good research studies on the effect of nutritional yeast as such on immune function all of this seems speculative.

      Until “put to the test”, the assumption that an equivalent amount of nutritional yeast will have the same effect as a dose of isolated beta-glucans taken as a supplement remains just that – an assumption.

      1. Speaking of differences between brands, some brands are fortified whereas others are not. I finally purchased the unfortified and can’t wait to try it. I was never crazy about taking in all the excess added synthetic B vitamins including folic acid. I actually do end up peeing in excess whenever I consume the fortified stuff. I think I’ll feel especially well with its natural form already rich in B vitamins and other nutrients. But some people do have sensitivities to yeast including nutritional yeast as Dr. Greger addresses in another video.
        Anyways, I really hope more companies stop fortifying it so that the unfortified, natural versions become lower in price.

          1. Hi Ruth, no problem! I found Sari which you have to get online from their website but they’re such a great company that regularly tests for metals, etc. when I contacted them they even sent me their test report charts. I just ordered from them but also just became aware that a local health food store carries KAL unfortified nutritional yeast which Dr. Greger has tested along with other brands so I know theirs too is good.
            I couldn’t wait for my order to come in so I purchased KAL’s in store for the meantime. Tried it last night and it is AMAZING! I think the taste is sooo much better.
            The unfortified is a bit more expensive but you actually get quite a lot of it so it’s not all that much more than BRAGGS which I used to buy.

            Oh and both Sari and KAL are non-gmo.

    1. “The China Study” is the largest demographic study ever done concerning the relationship between diet and health. It overwhelmingly supports Dr. Greger’s nutritional philosophy. Perhaps Denise Minger who wrote your citation should give it a gander. You might profit from flipping through its pages as well.

      1. Re: Minger – Her degree is in English. She self-describes as a statistics junkie.
        Personally, I don’t mind if someone wants to revisit Dr. Campbell’s figures and data. That’s what we do in science in order to forge the fact-finding mission of science. But I would want it to be someone who actually has a statistic degree – and an advanced one at that.

    2. Mr K,
      I would find the authors work a bit suspect. She admits (in her bio) that she is a 30 something with no credentials accept a desire for the truth. With a healthy dose of advertising thrown in to the website and blog… She sites that Steve Jobs and Bill Gates were college dropouts so she is in a good crowd… As for her information I can google a bunch of facts that support my thinking… I think the science wins out…
      YMMV, just my opinion
      mitch

      1. 30 somethin, college drop out no credentials excepting a quest for the truth…..sounds good to me. WE are quite obviously good to go.
        I can point to about 20 or so of similar qualification some of which have hundreds of thousands of followers on various media. Even one a master in the art of jujitsu a very popular blogger with a million followers no credentials but a lot of opinions on diet to express.
        Expressed this month to a man with severe heart disease actually on a list for transplant….stop that vegan diet you need them there fats…..the man just recently went vegan to combat his problems.This fellow sells supplements as well.

        Sad really.
        .Putting peoples lives at risk through ignorance.

          1. Hi John I didn’t say Brazilian he trains with Eddie Bravo.
            Real nice guy so perhaps it is better if he stays unnamed, just deluded on diet.
            He holds accomplishments in several martial arts. Announcer I am certain that will ring a bell.

        1. Sickening, ron. I really hope that man did not listen! At that point, it’s so much more than ignorance, it’s literally not caring about anyone but either the attention that they need to receive, or the paycheck they’re getting from the animal agriculture industry.

            1. Seemed to me like he did not listen. He is another youtuber and the host has a lot of followers so he did not want to antagonize him. So he did not contradict his line. None of his hosts really do challenge him. They will not be on his show again.

              One guest was talking veganism how Carl Lewis in his Olympics was a vegan. So the host says well he was on steroids….The guest admits that. But the retort of course was obvious…they all were. But his guest did not challenge it.

              So it goes on that show. The host I think he really believes his stuff.

              But playing devils advocate the host is a big UFC guy close with Dana White the promoter of the fights. Perhaps the UFC is courting sponsorship from the meat industry so the host as connected will only push meat on all his diet things, and he does a lot.
              One UFC fighter who is vegetarian in training mostly vegan except eating eggs the last guy to beat the big draw Connor McGregor….coulda missed it but I never saw him on the show. All the other fighters are on it. And this guy is a big draw probably third overall.

              But I again am only stating conjecture.The host always says no one can be a top fighter and be vegetarian or vegan. But quite obviously this fighter Nick Diaz, his brother Nate is as well and is about as popular, both do well in UFC. Nick beat the best in his weight class Conor McGregor.And Nate before he got suspended for pot was the major rival to JPP the present title holder at his weight.

              So this host is clearly full of s^%$. on diet.

              All conjecture but this host is full court press against veganism. The guy with the bad heart was a youtube star a bit movie star and a steroid abuser known for a poor diet before becoming now vegan.

              1. I don’t pay attention to olympics or athletes but I’m pretty sure I know of the guy brought up and if it’s the same guy, indeed, he WAS on steroids but that was before he went vegan (or plant based… not sure which he is). Of course I’m sure he failed to mention that key fact on his show… Again, assuming I’m thinking of the same athlete.

                He’s most likely being paid to promote animal products. These industries are very sneaky and they use every outlet they can get their hands on. Who better to promote meat/eggs/dairy than a big “tough” UFC fighter…. The industry knows a lot of men will be influenced by that on a phychogical level.

                I just want to add that vegan and plant based are two separate things. Veganism is more than just a diet, it’s about excluding the use of other animals by what is possible and practice beyond just diet, it’s a moral and ethical movement. I.e all vegans are plant based but not all plant based dieters are vegan.

    3. There are some things that become self evident . An example is the huge increase of sale in plant milks , that now have taken close to 13% yet asthma and allergies are at an all time high . If fake milks really do offer some health benefits over milk then with this surge in consumption would have shown up in stats wouldn’t you think? Minger sites and correctly so that milk is very positive effect of reducing allergies and asthma symptoms . June 7th last year National Post reported on a study done on over 5000 kids in Toronto , the study found 13% of kids were drinking fake milks , as a result they had stunted growth compared to kids drinking milk .
      Minger does not get into environmental issues however almond milk is the number one fake milk on store shelves , yet almond production is teetering on the brink of disaster . Even right now almost every available bee hive is being used to try and pollinate the almonds in California , they are trucked from all over the states by beekeepers to almond Groves in California . One bee keeper said we are at the max right now , yet they are still planting almonds .

      1. There are plenty of other milks now if one considers almonds a problem Rice milk was popular back in the day. Due to potential arsnic not so now.
        Cashew milk and coconut milk soy milk bunches of choices and mixes..

        Find it amazing that cows milk is considered one essential nutrient source in most governmental literature when most peoples of color are intolerant of it. Native Americans particularly.

        AS to size why is smaller called stunted. And why do we favor bigger in human? Does it have some advantage in our modern world?
        Yes there are more growth hormones in milk and yes rationally children may be slightly bigger as a result. But is that a good thing?
        Show me that it is in a science framework..Do we live longer bigger than smaller? If one is smaller as a result of deficiency perhaps but all those children were seemingly not nutrient deficient.

        Are peoples who are lactose intolerant and just really not drinking milk which seems the case with the majority of black people….are they smaller?
        They do have lactose free milk but really it is a newer invention and really not all that popular. So are they?.

          1. If larger people lived longer obviously the longest living peoples would be football players and basketball players.

            But the inverse seems true. It may be CTE with football players but basketball really does not have CTE.It’s been a while since I checked but I think both have life expectancies in the fifties.

            Smaller people will live less long in study on occasion. But this is likely due to a low overall nutritional quality diet not specifically a diet deficient in milk. Those people may be stunted. A small person is generally not a person whose growth is stunted. It is one who has that genetic tendency.

            Small indeed may be better all things considered, it is certainly not proven worse. Who lives longer Japanese or americans….Japanese. Who also are smaller Not connected necessarily but definitely not pointing to larger being better. .

          2. Could be that larger people generally got that way (excluding genetics) from their higher intake of IGF-1 producing foods. And IIRC, IGF-1 is connected to Cancer.

      2. Buster

        Milk isn’t the only risk factor for asthma so of course it does not explain 100% of the asthma stats. However, according to official US Government figures, “real” milk is the number one source of allergies in kids.
        https://www.cdc.gov/healthyschools/foodallergies/index.htm
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4241964/

        “Food allergy may be a risk factor for asthma morbidity and mortality in childhood as well. In NCICAS, children with asthma who were sensitized to at least one food had a higher rate of hospitalization and required more steroid medications.28 Simpson et al performed a retrospective chart review on 201 patients, aged 3 months to 14 years, with a diagnosis of asthma and divided the group into those with a history of food allergy and those without. Milk and peanut allergy were significantly associated with increased number of hospitalizations due to asthma. Milk allergy was also associated with requiring more courses of systemic steroids. ”
        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3047906/

        As for the Toronto study, cows’ milk is high in calories, fat and protein. Things like almond milk (although the so-called “fake” milks as you call them actually included goat milk) aren’t. It is not surprising perhaps that kids consuming more calories, protein and fat grow taller. Cattle growth hormones may push things along also. However, whether this is the healthiest approach overall is dubious.
        “For her part, Thompson is conscious about giving her daughter foods rich in protein and other nutrients, such as hummus, nut butters, tofu and tempe.
        “I converse with many vegan parents,” Thompson said. “We know that really store-bought almond milk is advertised as a diet food, low calorie, low fat. It is not a toddler food.”
        http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/milk-children-height-1.4149832

        Of course, in Canada they ban the use of Monsanto’s recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone. Not so in the US, where some proportion of the US dairy herd is still given this artifical hormone to produce milk production. So this is still another issue to consider.
        https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/recombinant-bovine-growth-hormone.html

        Yes we know that you are paid to promote the sale of dairy products and this probably requires you to attack the benefits of alternatives like almonds. However, your claim that almonds and almond milk (compared to cows’ milk) are environmental disasters is ridiculous nonsense. Every litre of cow’s milk reportedly requires 1,020 litres of water to produce
        https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2013/jan/10/how-much-water-food-production-waste
        Although, according to National Geographic, an alternative figure is 880 litres per litre of dairy milk.
        ttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/freshwater/food/

        Most commercial almond milk is only 2 to 3% almonds (which is why it is also low in calories, fat and protein), consequently one litre of almond milk apparently only requires about 70 litres of water to produce
        http://www.bluediamondalmonds.co.uk/products/almond-breeze-original/
        https://modvegan.com/almond-milk-bad-environment/

        Compare that to even the lower dairy milk requirement of 880 litres of water and it is clear that dairy milk is the real environmental disaster here. And let’s not get into issues like methane emissions, pollution.

        Really, Buster, if you are going to post highly tendentious (and arguably misleading) claims like this promoting dairy and criticising dairy alternatives, you should be upfront about it and disclose in each such post that you are employed to promote dairy products in online fora.

        1. TG your making up fake facts The water usage your using looks like it is from NZ where they use irrigation to grow the grass the cows consume . If you use data from a area that is in drought situation then add all the irrigation water to the bottom line well hell yes it is going to be a lot of water . The only reason to irrigate is the cows . Now if you grew kiwis there and used that to grow that fruit , it would make that product look bad too , 1000 litres to produce one kiwi or whatever the number might be .
          If you compare New England or even England which both get a lot of rain you do not get the numbers you provided . Very different indeed.
          You would think that don’t – do – as – I – do – but – do – as – I – say – environmentalist such as Dr. Greger would at least mention the fact that almond milk comes at a huge environmental cost . Soy , hemp ,oat and other annual plant milks comes at a fraction of the costs(environmental) of the nut milks . Almond is growing at double the rate of soy . Yes milk produced in Wisconsin ,Ontario and most of New England is coming in at a lower cost per calorie than almond .
          I have no problem endorsing an additive free plant milk , and I certainly do not get paid for anything I say . I also see on here a lot of professionals like Plant or Vegan Drs. Dieticians that all have a stake in Dr. Gregers cherry picked vegan nutrition facts . How about them being honest and telling us up front how they get paid and the special interests they have to see WFPB diet propaganda .

          1. As per the Ontario ministry of agriculture the average water consumption per dairy cow per day is 115 L. There is some variance as to how peoples come up with that determination and no misrepresentation is present with a higher number stated,TG’s number . It all depends upon how the amount is calculated what is included in the number and what is not.
            The feed used to keep diary cattle alfalfa is way more water intensive than almonds if we considern a place like California and how much more is grown for cattle (not to many peoples eating that stuff) as opposed to how much water is used for almonds and how much is relegated to almonds which are strictly consumed by humans. . We don’t have to many free range dairy cattle wandering about. If we include feed water consumptive amount we come up with the range TG is mentioning..

            No one is hiding the fact they are a nutritionists here or a doc who specializes in nutrition who has a similar inspiration to Dr Greger’s. You come here as Buster and really do not add any other notation to any of your posts. To be fair and equal to all who post their employment status equally you should state dairy industry employee after your name. Buster dairy industry employee. If you are not state you are not and I am wrong in that.

            And I ask again how about flax milk cashew milk rice milk and soy milk why this fixation only with almonds?

            1. I am not fixated on almonds , again you have it backwards . The almond industry is at the limit of what can be done to pollinate the crop , every beekeeper (USA) who is able and willing takes their bees on a road trip to the almond groves of California . Believe me it does not do the bees any good as almond trees do not give anything to the bees , they have to feed them sugar water for the three weeks they are there .Then you add the water situation in water starved California . It all adds up to a huge cost on the environment . I just thought it might be worth mentioning to people who might care about things like that .
              TG is wrong about the water as I already explained . If your going to add water like that from all the feeds , then lets see what your horse or dog uses . Lets see your dog eats one pound a day of dry matter which is equal to 4 pounds of meat and it takes 5000 pounds of water to produce a pound of meat according to Cowspircy doc , so that means your dog is costing the environment 20000 lb of water a day plus whatever it drinks .
              duh ya think somebody is lying ?
              My wife and I have three kids and in 20 years we have also had 9 foster kids , we have fed them vegetarian diet . We have fought almost everyday to keep them vegetarian , we have to feed them to be happy and healthy and it means milk at the table . According to the government we can not feed them plant milks .
              So what is my job ? In my eyes first I am a foster parent then a consultant for a dairy which I provide professional advice for .

              1. Infants should be getting breast milk. Storage and use of that thing is a possible. If not enough is available dairy milk is not a substitute. Formula may be substituted. They vary as to constitution.

                We are talking consumption here not recreation or affection here which is what dogs pets provide. That is not a comparable.
                Yes we can reasonably consider what a cow is fed that additional water demand added to what the cow normally consumes to determine water need for dairy. Why should we not?.

                On that perameter alfalfa comes in way ahead of almonds as to water consumption in California which is where largely almonds are grown. I could provide a graph and/or stats to substantiate, Is that necessary?

                Bees…really bees? Bees are having a problem globally likely due to insecticides that is not almond growers fault.
                And who says all almonds go only to almond milk? I eat them daily and use cashew milk.

                Why this singular focus once again I ask on Almonds? Last I checked which was two days ago all the milks in my local Walmart in a semirural area had mixes on the shelf about equal in number and amount to almond milk. Coconut/almond seems the most popular.
                I think your data may be dated.
                My guess is till now you never even heard of flax milk. It was all rice milk a few years back. This is a new field it is changing daily. Cashew milk was not even really out there till this past year. Now it is and way popular.

                Unless your side starts to refuse us the right to label it or consume it which I expect is in the works. I know the labeling part is.

                1. Hey you’re here I can ask you. You work for them the dairy industry, Do you not?

                  What is with that labeling thing anyway? Why should all the nut milks have to have their names changed so they are not confused with cow milk?

                  Seems real milk for us at least is breast milk not cows milk. Should not the inverse be the case, all dairy milk now should be labeled cows milk. Why is it all backwards that all nut milk your side is stating must not be called soy milk or almond milk or this or that but exclude the word milk from the carton altogether?

                  Are people really getting confused about that? And if they are, why not put the word dairy milk on cartons so they will not be? Why should we have to not use the term milk at all as sponsored legislation on your side says we must. Seems your side could do that all on their own without any law, label your milk dairy milk…so no one is confused. I think they are not but your side says they are.

                  Seems you want less regulation and less laws…so why don’t you do that?
                  Huh what about that?.

                  If I am wrong about you working for them please accept my heartfelt apology.

                  1. For the first thing I already told you what I do for a living .
                    The milk thing is because the FDA calls milk lacteal secretions from cows , so some in the dairy industry felt the term belonged to them . I don’t believe they won . You can call plant milks…….. milk .

                    1. So it’s the governments fault then?
                      The FDA was sponsoring legislation to make the calling of soy almond rice or whatever milk illegal?

                      Or was it the dairy industry sponsoring that? And it is a state by state thing. To my recollection they even sponsored that locally here in NM. It never got past committee however.
                      Yes I can luckily

                      Why would your side ever do such a thing? You do know they managed that federally with GMO and it came back to bite them in the tail. Major companies like post all the cereal brands are marking things non gmo as peoples were going to the healthier option which did mark them….So they grossly started to loose sales. Peoples don’t like being kept in the dark nor deceived on foodstuffs..
                      It is a dim corporate strategy.

                2. Read the labels on these “milks”. You will notice that most of them have a lot of added calcium phosphate. They add this calcium to the “milk” in order to give it a thicker texture so that you do not feel like you are drinking water or some kind of fat free milk. The calcium thickens up the drink and gives it a kind of a “chalky” texture. The problem here is that if you are trying to rid your arteries of plaque, then the additional calcium you are getting from some kind of drink like hemp milk will start collecting inside your arteries. Big Food puts calcium in everything.
                  People are consuming far to much INORGANIC calcium….and when you keep on pouring calcium into your body from “milks,” hard water, calcium supplements, and additives in just about all commercial food then that calcium is going to start to collect in your arteries. As for me, I stopped using hemp milk on my oatmeal. I simply blend up some almonds and walnuts and add some water to it. I try to avoid all of the calcium that is dumped into commercial foods such as Pacific hemp milk.

                  1. Could be I guess.
                    I do take vegan vit K2 to accommodate the proper assimilation of calcium. But I certainly cannot say I have a expert opinion on that.
                    I certainly would not take calcium from a dairy source.

                  2. John, I use hemp in my oatmeal too but I make it myself. It’s super easy to make with just the seeds and water in a high speed blender. I personally don’t mind the pulpy stuff at the bottom so I don’t strain it.
                    Another thing I started doing is blending with it a small amount of vanilla, some Ceylon cinnamon and a bit of ground clove with a touch of maple syrup to sweeten, its soo good and goes great with oats.

                    The only pre-made plant milks I’ll ever use are New Barn, Malk, and West Soy because they don’t contain additives.
                    New Barn is the best tasting almond milk I’ve had srore bought, but because of its amazing almond taste (they use more almonds than other brands) I wouldn’t use it in savory recipes such as soup.

          2. Buster – Dr. Greger gets paid by, . . .well, . . us, the viewers and supporters of this web site. Many of us donate and pay for the cost of this site. Others of us purchase his books for ourselves and/or for gifts. His books hit the best sellers list. The only group he is “on the take” from is the public at large.

            For myself, I am glad to donate to this site. I view this relationship as hiring the best nutritional consultant that I can find. We collectively pay him to consult for us using the best science that he can find and present to us.

            He has nothing to hide and has stated this relationship for years now. Where have YOU been? Frankly, you sound fairly paranoid like some sort of conspiracy theorist. And, . .oh, . . this information as to how he gets paid is right here on this site. Right out in the open. Where anyone can view it.

              1. Like no one wanted to see just the anti tobacco side of things but the full story, back in that day.

                7000 studies compared to a couple of hundred but generally all the media gave us was the couple of hundred.
                And now we have this….

              2. Lol buster, it’s not about a view point, Dr. Greger shows what the SCIENCE says, but it just so happens that the science isn’t saying what you want it to nor is it saying anything that would justify your business existing at all for any reason and so you’re throwing a fit. This is a science based website and the people here without agendas are smart enough to understand that, that’s why we’re here. You didn’t see me and others throwing tantrums when Dr. Greger mentions any uses for honey or made other statements contrary to veganism now did you? Probably because we’re here to learn what the best available science has to offer, and we listen and learn (I’m not saying vegans – which is different from being plant based – would ever use an animal product if benefits were shown, I’m just saying we’re here to learn).You’re just here to promote your industry. Doesn’t take a genius to decipher which side is bias and which side isn’t…

            1. Even though I have taken some pot shots at Dr. Greger in the past. I will say that he is the most sincere, and honest doctor I have ever come across also let me count Dr. Esselstyn on that praise. Dr. Greger is not doing unnecessay surgeries every day of the week like some doctors do in order to pay off their Mercedes. He is not prescribing unnecessary tests just to add some more money in his account like some doctors do. He is not prescribing unnecessary drugs like some doctors do. He is not taking any gifts or perks from pharmaceutical reps like some doctors do. He is a seeker of truth and in this effort he really wants to help people unlike some doctors who are in it for the money. I’m going to order his book and give it as a gift.

          3. Buster

            I don’t know where you get your claim about New Zealand from. The first figure for water requirements to produce milk (1,020 water units to one unit of cow’s milk) comes from the UK. Note too that I have provided sources for the figures quoted.

            Yes, other plant milks may be preferable on environmental grounds to n ut milks. However, your original posdst seemed to imply that almond milk is an environmental disaster compared to cows’milk.

            I don’t see how you can say that being a professional nutritionist, MD or whatever is an equivalent financial conflict of interest to being employed to promote dairy foods online. IMHO, you really should disclose this in every post but of course you are free not to do so if you want. Just as other people are free to mention it when you do not

            1. We did some calculations . 1020 liters of water times 20 liters of production per cow = 20400 litres times 50 cows = 1020000 .
              at my in laws farm they can only pump that much water in 7 days not every day . So the facts you give are indeed false . they have included the amount of irrigation or natural rainfall which is kind of silly since if there were no cows there it would still have the same amount of rainfall .
              compesh

        2. When there is such an anti meat, anti dairy, anti egg movement happening because of the works of Dr. Greger and others, it just stands to reason that these BIG MONEY groups are going to hire people to come to this forum and try to go to war with the plant based food folks on this forum. It just stands to reason that they are going to do whatever they can to discredit Dr. Greger, and the other nutritional doctors. So, the question is, who are these attackers on the forum? I think we can pretty well tell.

          1. You are complete right John, that’s the way it goes. There are currently dairy industry people here regularly, at least 2. One was discovered and had to admit it. The other I know of is buster, he disclosed this information from the start, but then he kind of had to since his job isnt just to promote dairy alone, but the “unique” type of dairy his despicable industry makes (or rather enslaves others and forces them to make).
            But of course there are many others. Dr. Greger is a huge threat to the animal agriculture industry which is so corrupt it’s long controlled the government. It is one of the biggest reigning industries and has been for ages.

    4. Denise Minger is complete fraud. I read her debunking of China Study she has no leg to stand.

      I have problem with studies that test nutritional yeast against cold symptoms. For almost 100 years raw food (vegan version not paleo) followers say that after stopping cooked food they stopped having cold symptoms. My wife switched to raw food diet about 6 years ago, I had to do the same and also did not have cold in 6 years. Our raw food diet evolved quite a bit from the start. At the beginning we were eating too much nuts, coconuts and avocados. Now we do not eat coconuts at all, nuts very little and avocados from time to time. I could not bring my cholesterol bellow 150.
      My conjecture would be that yeast does nothing if you eat any animal food or vegan process food like pastas and breads. All this is high calories food with low nutrition so your immune system will not improve.

      Thus our doctor Greger should know better than put video without disclaimer, any study like the one presented here will not solve any problem related to general health. If you eat fry bacon with eggs for breakfast no amount of green tee will fix your health problem. Each small video presented here is not linked and analyzed in context of other.
      For example there was video about salmonella bacteria in chicken meat. That after using cutting board for chicken, bacteria cannot be washer. I see question to be asked. If you make salad or vegan food in the same kitchen for sure you vegan food will be contaminated with bacteria. Do this analysis throughout whole food chain. Producers, distribution systems, farmers markets, etc. If you eat vegan food in restaurant and they also sell veterinarian pizza with cheese or fish dish. They do not have separate “kosher like” kitchen to separate vegan food from contamination.
      So how we know that person eating yeast did also eat chicken that was contaminated while other was vegan will the outcome be the same?
      If this matter then double blind study is waste of time since result may be related to eating chicken not yeast.

      1. Denise Minger correctly pointed out the pitfalls in the daily dozen diet, such as if you follow it to a T, you will load up with grain and carb and lectin and anti nutrients and you will be short of the necessary nutrients. Of course this is a better diet than the SAD diet but if you compare with SAD then it’s like comparing yourself with a smoker or drug addict and say that you are healthy.

        And people here may not like it but she also pointed out the cherry picking that Dr G likes to do.

        1. Jerry, do you think you know more than an M.D.? Someone who has studied nutrition longer than you have? You cherry pick yourself and show your lack of understanding of the principles in The China Study, a book which you admit that you have not read. Your posts show that you have not viewed all of Dr. Greger’s posts and don’t know about more than 50% of them.

          If any readers in this forum follow Jerry’s advice, they put themselves at risk with their health.

          1. Amen to that. Because I have followed a plant based diet for the last 3 years my arteries are now clear of plaque. My strategy was to follow the advice of Dr. Esselstyn who I was able to talk to on the phone. He said that I should eat raw green leafy vegetables through out the day as though my life depended on it. I did. I would eat handfuls and handfuls of aurugula, spinach, kale, swiss chard, all kinds of varieties of lettuce, beet greens, collard greens….and it worked. I will follow the advice of Dr. Esselstyn and Dr. Greger anyday of the week over Jerry. If I had followed Jerry’s advice my arteries would be filling up with butter, organic beef, chicken, tuna, yogurt, milk, big macs, tacos, carrot cake, ice cream, and so on.

            1. My brother, who had an unstable plaque and emergency stent put in, was told he had to take statins to drop his LDL to 70. He declined and instead switched to a WFP (no based, just “P”) diet and dropped his LDL to 70 in a few weeks (and keeping a normal HDL). Mine has not dropped that far (yet) on my vegan diet, so people do vary in response, but it does show what can be accomplished.

              I am wondering – did you follow the very low fat protocol of Esselstyn? My brother did not – he has been eating plenty of nuts/seeds, as do I.

              1. I follow he Esselstyn plan: no oils….No Oils…..NO OILS…. I like the way Esselstyn shouts his “no oils” routine to his audience. Getting his “no oils” mantra into my mind has brought me to a point where I enjoy huge salads with not a drop of any kind of salad dressing….just pure raw vegetables. I will eat a few pistachio nuts every once in a while, but that’s all. To me the secret is eating gobs and gobs of aurugula, spinach, and kale. I go through bags of those greens like a 57 chevy muscle car goes through a gallon of gasoline. 90 percent of my foods are these raw leafy green vegetables and every kind of berry I can find, including Indian gooseberries which I buy at my local Indian / Pakastani food store. I’m at a point in life where I look at food as “fuel” and not something to take pleasure in, but I do still take pleasure in eating my greens. I do not juice….just raw greens. I like raw greens because it feels primal, and after a while it really taste good…and you look forward to it.

            1. Don’t be an idiot. I think for myself. I think YOU’RE the one who blindly follows Mercola and all the rest who peddle nonsense on the Internet.

            2. Jerry, how was your bacon and eggs this morning? Did you have any pancakes?

              Nothing better than 3 stacks of pancakes dripping in melted butter and maple syrup

              to go along with your bacon, eggs, and maybe some hashbrowns cooked in some

              grease. Good stuff? Huh?

        2. I hear this old argument from people that are critical of Dr. Greger and they say, “Oh he is cherry picking” “Oh yeah…look at all dem cherries da good ole doctor has picked”. That’s it. That just complain and hurl insults of cherry picking, but they NEVER EVER prove that he is cherry picking. They just caste that “slur” to try to destroy all the good work that Dr. Greger is doing. Another thing, there are thousands of people who have benefited from Dr. Greger’s daily dozen. And Dr. Greger is probably more physically fit and more healthy than you are Jerry. So, tell us Jerry….what kind of meat do you eat today? Pork chop? Juicy red steak?
          Kentucky Fried Chicken? Tuna in oil?

            1. Don’t know about looks but…

              How about a challenge. A old guy who has been vegan pretty much since 1990. Think you can match me, my workout perhaps. No skill just basic strength and endurance in the jogging part of it. I will leave the heavy bag stuff out.
              How about 1k…..should pay for your trip here and about 500 or so if you win.
              I give you 1k if you can match me step for step pound for pound repetition for repetition. You cannot match me you give me 1k….deal?

                1. No that is a challenge.

                  You say this or that these people look old and on and on….Ok I can’t speak for looks….I expect I would loose that contest.

                  But performance…..I will beat you. I am old and I will do more than you in regard that I mention. I’ve been veggie since 86 and pretty much vegan since 90…..
                  So what say you? If you are so confident in your diet I should be weak and easy to beat. 1k easy as pie…rep for rep pound for pound step for step..pretty simple. 1K easy as pie, you beat me and it is in your pocket. I beat you and it is in my pocket.

                  Trip paid for a little vacation and some money in your pocket to boot….
                  So what say you meat eater…you talk the talk do you walk the walk. I need to know right now I can’t wait till you find a ringer…I want you not some other bloke.

                  Best you can do…talk about embarrassment…is that it?

                  1. Tell me now meat eater and we can work on the details. My offer my challenge so it is out here. I have a gym in mind……need to know now meat eater…clearly you are here reading this stuff.
                    I challenge you….

                    Save the words really they are to no purpose, I don’t lift with words and your opinion on my conduct is not so important to me ….yes or no now.

                    1. My clock has ten minutes now gone meat eater. That has given you more than enough time to respond.
                      No I can’t wait. Waiting means you bring in a pro who I may but may not beat depending on how much you can spend to get what quality to show.

                      So meat eater……what do you have to say for yourself? One grand here for the taking and a old man the only thing in your way. A weak weak vegan old man…..what do you have to say for yourself meat eater?
                      Talk about look again I guess you will. that’s my guess…

            2. Jerry you win hands down for the funniest post for the day .
              Quite often Dr. McDougall will say something like , look at the Irish they ate nothing but potatoes and look how healthy they were . Of course the truth is even the very poorest had potatoes and buttermilk , with majority having some pork ,cabbage and oatmeal as well .
              I am sorry but every time I see McDougall I have had exact same thought as you .

                1. Don’t care much about looks myself. But am biased for cause. Scraggly beard completely shaved head funny ears ugly ugly ugly.
                  One time in my fifties my challenge would be open ended no one even a professional athlete could meet my challenge. And age it did not matter. Some would out power me some would out endurance me some would out speed me…none would beat me in all.
                  And I got into this thing for morality.
                  Now of course I am older.But none equal in age to me excepting a person steroided will beat me even though my main focus now is striking kicking and punching a heavy bag. More jogging then lifting really.

                  But meat eaters like to talk talk talk. They can do everything I can do and more if talking about it is the criteria.

                  My challenge went unmatched. The reality is they talk the game is all. The real game they cannot prove out. This guy looks like this or that….like fashion models were a judge on health or some such. Atkins 267 when he died and a heart condition for years before. And he rode that ship till the end spouting his gross lies on nutrition as the ship was going down….

                  These peoples are tragically comical. If only they did not bring innocents down with them.

                    1. I substitute performance for looks. Really americans nowadays most if you have them do something longer than a minute or so and it is impossible.

                      There are exceptions and we see athletes all the time in parks playing basketball and such. But the average American does about not a thing every day exaggerates their abilities and amount of time they spend exercising on survey and in the real are completely physically incompetent.

                      I look around at soccer meets I go to gymnastic meets, people, the parents, are watching kids do things they themselves can barley even walk, running is out of the question.
                      If they did have better diets I think perhaps they could do more. Now as it is with what they are doing and eating….something is wrong.
                      And it is not a low fat diet causing this thing. American I think are at 37% in that thing.
                      Does not the example of complete total frauds like ATkins tell them nothing?

              1. What sort of revisionist history is that?
                Ever hear of the potato famine. The English had manipulated the Irish economy so their cash crop was potatoes almost to exclusion. It is complex far to complex to describe how that occurred in a blog here but it certainly did occur. The result was when a blight occurred widespread famine occurred. Which was one of the major impetus for the Irish migration to America, they were starving.

                1. ron
                  Dr McDougall talks about the Irish eating almost exclusively potatoes before the potato blight , which was what I was talking about as well . They did not eat potatoes exclusively , as a matter of fact if you had a hired hand you were required by law to provide a certain amount of potatoes (can’t recall maybe 5 lbs plus either 2 quarts whole milk or butter milk ) to each hired hand as a minimum .

                  1. Whose law the englishmans law?
                    And what was the consequence of that law if you did not meet their impossible to meet demand…you lost your land that was the penalty.
                    So don’t tell me of the law.

                    That was how they got the lands of the Irish and had them producing what England needed not the irish…by the law which is how they stole their lands and made them virtual slaves in their own place.
                    The law???

                1. So you are saying this observation supports a claim of causation? Not even you could be that dense, so I conclude you are just trying to mislead people.

                  By the way, the good doctor’s name is McDougall, not Dougall. Memory getting a bit fuzzy, is it?

              1. Gee Buster is this the quality of comments you have to post to try to undermine the credibility of people who point out the scientific evidence that high dairy consumption is unhealthy? You must be desperate.

                The guy is 69 and had a stroke at, what, 18-21 years old. He looks a darn sight better than most 69 year olds I have seen.

                  1. I have heard several people who have attended live seminars where Mercola was one of the guest speakers say this about Mercola. He looks unhealthy.
                    His cheeks are sunken in. His eyes have no luster. He seems to lose his train of thought. He moves around like an old man. He does not exude any energy. Well, I guess that is what happens when you eat eggs, meat, and fat.

                  2. Actually Dr. McDougall’s appearance is not that good – for a 70 yr. old who has eaten a healthy diet. He looks 80 yrs old, and frail. I also strongly disagree with him that “exercise is dangerous”. Yes, this he has said.

                    1. Well, you and I disagree. Dr. McDougall had a stroke when he was only 18 and changed his way of eating. I doubt he’d be alive now if he had continued to eat as he did when he was young. The point is, plant pushers appear to look better.

                    2. Good point Lisa. I forgot about Dr. McDougall’s testimony about his stroke at the age of 18. Thanks for reminding me. His testimony reminds me of Dr.
                      Greger’s grandmother’s testimony of her reclaiming her life after going on a whole plant food Pritikin diet. We need to constantly remind ourselves of these great testimonies. I am sure there are many more out there.

    5. I waded through this review which was an exercise in the sort of obfuscation of data that anyone can play, aimed it seemed at undermining the notion you have to avoid animal products to be well, which is all it needed to do to sound kind of neutral and balanced. If I were looking for confirmation that eating say fish was essential to my health and welfare there was nothing here that would reassure me. So who funds this outfit? Private equity big time. Beyond that you cannot see, except that there is big money input here.

      At the end of the day you will never get the gold plated reassurance you seek, that Greger is right. Just give the it go, properly, and see. You can set aside every study and just see what makes you feel good and what does not. For many people eating animal products is so obviously sickness inducing they do not need to go any further than that.

      1. Nothing is for sure in life. The name of the game is playing the odds. I will put my money on Greger any day of the year over fat eating, meat eating, milk drinking, cheese farting doctors who tell people to eat the ketogenic diet or animal product diets. I will take my chances with Greger.
        Think of it this way, you are with a group of 30 people wandering in the Amazon jungle trying to escape to safety, you come to a fork in the road, and Dr. Greger says that we need to go right. Another doctor who is a paleo doctor says no, we need to turn left. After, reading all of the literature on this issue, I am putting my money on Dr. Greger and taking the Right turn in the road to health.

        1. To elaborate on your metaphor John, it doesn’t hurt when we know that those who tend to go right actually get out of the Amazon whereas those who veer left tend to stay in it. It isn’t a leap of faith, the evidence is profound.

  1. Sometimes, it drives me crazy what I all have to do to keep my body healthy… more and more I come to the firm belief I run against windmills like Don Quichote and Sanchopan. I shoult take yeast agains the stress, I should take a lots of fiber every day to get out the aluminium, barium and strontium from my body whitch comes from this shit chemtrails above my head every day, I have to take Vitamin D extra because about this chemtrails the sun is never shining enough, I have to take Vitamin B12 because the soil is death because of the pestizides, fungizides and more, my water I have to clean it before drinking because of the nitrates from the factory farms – to be honest – this is the most shit life I ever had. It’s the humans by your self they destroy the basic of live on this earth, they make the life so difficult not only for them self but alos for all the animals and plants on this earth – I pray every night for the end of the aera human….

    1. Well H this is hell what do you expect :)
      All kidding aside North Korea during our bombing in the fifties had one quarter of their population killed, Syria, , Iraq Yemen……now those people have problems.

      Our problems are important especially to each of us personally but perhaps it is necessary to put this western life in perspective at times. I reset my dissatisfaction meter about daily for that purpose..
      A natural life seemingly had its problems as well. Visiting a graveyard from the 1700’s years ago in a rural area where agriculture was the product…..all the deaths were either very young 1-4 or very old 90-100. Probably they averaged out to about 45 or so…But bunches of kids died early, so there is that.

      1. That was partly because of no antibiotics. Before antibiotics infections were a major cause of death. Get pricked by a rose thorn and you could end up dead from infection.

        1. If you got past the age of five or so you were probably OK. Childhood illness killed bunches. Which is why they had so many kids back then in part…bunches of them died early.
          But if you want to skew stats average age was probably 45 or so.
          I could be just that group I was seeing genetically favored. Or it could be that our stats are average life span not really life expectancy.

    2. The Union of Concerned Scientists just came out with it’s 25th anniversary report. In the last 25 years the global human population has grown from 6 to 8 billion while the remaining species have decreased in numbers by 30%.

      1. Was watching a new popular sci fi on the telly just yesterday. The bad guys were inspiring a virus which would kill off 25% of the human population. The good guys, the people in it the hero’s are all from the future coming back to set things straight. The future is run by one incredibly competent AI who all revere. Anyway….I found myself rooting for the bad guys.

        We lie so much can we really judge ourselves by anything other than our actions…..our actions are seemingly in the interest usually for jobs for the billions killing off every other life form on this planet. Killing the planet by making it to hot. And we intent to spread our kind throughout the galaxy.
        Objectively if other than human…what would I think of this thing of human?
        Us eating all this crap we normally do seems a great part of this. In the show the vegan diet of the future is criticized and they made one statement denying global warming……so clearly I side with the other side ;)
        Hollywood gottta love it. .

      2. But humans are so much more important…just ask them. As a group…humans are the earth’s infection. Will it survive?

        Watch most PBS TV shows and you’d think humans are the most amazing thing to come down the street recently…I think this is fodder for the younger generations…so they don’t wake up and smell reality.

        Well if a nuke war starts or there is a serious climate disruption….maybe reality will intervene. More likely “it” will be a slow process of attrition as we see now….more storms…droughts…resource depletion…wars…refugees….and more humans.

        Very likely the powers that be (stupid?) will wait until it is close to too late before trying at least to turn things around. Or maybe they will just hide out in their bunkers.

        1. Don’t think so bugs. What they will do shortly is to identify various and sundry means of technological nature to remediate the problem of co2.
          Then they will manipulate information so it becomes our responsibility as citizens to pay for all those vast projects which will be necessary. In the end great proportions of GDP’s of nations will be involved in that. Paid for by our taxes. That is their grand plan and why they allow it to get so bad and shortly much worse…so we must act. simple conservation will no longer suffice.

          They will try to do both technologically remove it and keep still producing it. In the end they will have to give up the producing part but that will not go down without a big fight and probably a century into this thing. .

          1. Of course their grand plan will also cause the continuation of the greatest extinction of species since the great meteor impact.
            But they do not care about that, nor the many who will die before their time due to flood drought famine and all the rest.

            Profit is the name of that game and great profit will be found in carbon removal. Never before kinds of profit. Profits they can make only when it is buy this or die sorts of things.

            That is end game here. Lotta jobs jobs jobs in them there carbon removal factories son. And jobs jobs jobs in this form of economy are what it is all about always.
            Till that is changed which never will happen nothing will change and we will make this place more and more a living hell but of our own design.

            1. THEY always use JOBS as the bait for the ignorant? Promise the pickup truck wonder a job and he’ll vote for anything.

              The job promise is a smokescreen to cover up the real intention…which is the usual exploitation of the environment and people for profit.

              They really want to try “terra-forming”…as if messing up the planet in the first place wasn’t bad enough. Bound to be some profit in that….plus they can justify continuing the SOS?

              If it wasn’t so serious you’d have to laugh at it…it’s always one scam or the other in order to continue the exploitation….and the dummies just eat it up.

    3. Hailprakiter you sound like a guy that painted himself into a corner , maybe a more modest diet like a vegetarian diet would suit you better ? It would drive any body nuts trying to keep up to the latest supplement and having to incorporate that into your diet .

    4. Heilpraktiker_Ju –
      Really, it’s not that complicated and things are not as bleak as you describe unless you live in some particularly awful place. Eat a large and balanced variety of whole plant foods, take adequate B12, take D (if you cannot get enough UV from the sun), make sure you get enough iodine (perhaps from a supplement); get as much exercise as you can (both aerobic and resistance training); challenge your mind; and very importantly, learn how to relax (practice mindfulness, meditate, do yoga, tai chi, qi gong, or some relaxing hobby, etc.). Forget anything key? Maybe, drink filtered water, depending on locale.

      Too many people turn the relatively simple task of living in a healthy-enhancing manner, into a “masochistic art form” e.g. worrying almost incessantly about which nutrient or supplement to take for some **potential** minor gain. That’s exhausting. Get the big picture down and worry less about the small stuff seems like a wise course of action to me.

        1. Lonie,
          Well, now your very cute baby certainly does count as a ‘new breakthrough’! Congratulations!

          >>If you are, however, setting a goal of max healthy longevity… you chase every new breakthrough.

          Regarding supplements, in my mind there haven’t been any “new breakthroughs” proven to be both efficacious and safe. The issues concerning taking lots of supplements are too well known for me to repeat them here.

          One ‘breakthrough’ that I do think has reasonable support and no evidence of harm is time restricted eating. In my case, I do not eat for 13-14 hours per day. One ‘breakthrough’ that I think is foolish is chronic calorie restriction. The notion of “chasing every new breakthrough” seems like a gamble to me since hyped breakthroughs, especially if shown only in animal models, are quite typically just hype. “First, do know harm” makes sense to me,

          1. Well, now your very cute baby certainly does count as a ‘new breakthrough’! Congratulations!

            Heh, thank you David… she’s my great-great niece who has never found the front of a camera she didn’t like. Her hamminess and my editing created the Perfect Storm. ‘-)

            Regarding supplements, in my mind there haven’t been any “new breakthroughs” proven to be both efficacious and safe. The issues concerning taking lots of supplements are too well known for me to repeat them here.

            O.K., I understand your concerns, but I am careful and do a lot of research before I make a supplement a part of my daily multiple dozens. But what I meant by new breakthroughs doesn’t necessarily mean supplementation, but new procedures. Hoping I can find the links, but a “for instance” would be learning about TIMP2, a good looking candidate to reverse not only Alzheimer’s Disease, but aging itself in place of the young plasma infusion in an older person 35 and above.

            This is not the link I was looking for but this research result is what the TIMP2 protein somewhat parallels.
            http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/plasma-seen-as-possible-fountain-of-youth-treatment-for-older-patients/

            Or better yet, Naringin to convert to Naringinen and breakdown the A-beta and Tau (I think Tau removal was included in the research) for removal by lymphocytes… and some cutting edge stuff that is going to make what we call modern day medicine seem like what we are in now are the dark ages of medicine.

            I won’t link to those because most are just not ready to believe those things can happen. They can and will, but the first step to being useful to reduce the cost of healthcare and extend healthy longevity, is acceptance.

            Here’s one that shows how Ashwagandha acts as a mimetic for Metformin and Rapamycin.
            https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-11/brf-sfn112817.php

            And this link shows how resveratrol can make senescent cells start to divide and act young again.
            https://www.exeter.ac.uk/news/research/title_620529_en.html

    5. I feel you Heilpraktiker. It’s so unfair. This world is a shit hole thanks to human greed. But eating a WFPB diet should be enough to keep us healthy (with added B12). I believe vitamin d supplementation is only necessary during winter and/or when not getting adequate sun. But 5000 IU a day would be closer to what our ancestors had running through their blood, so supplementation may be best if one’s going for those kind of optimal levels.

      1. To add S

        And this is one way we can effectively fight back against our corporate would be masters.
        I can produce 40% at least less carbon each day and there is not a thing they can do against it,,try though they may.Lie though they may.

        Always makes me happy..All else goes wrong in a day there is that. If one lacked any sort of purpose one could still do it.
        In this they cannot stop us..
        .

      2. vitamin d supplementation is only necessary during winter and/or when not getting adequate sun. But 5000 IU a day would be closer to what our ancestors had running through their blood, so supplementation may be best if one’s going for those kind of optimal levels.

        I agree. The one thing I have against vitamin d supplementation is that it is synthesized and AFAIK, there is no natural solution other than the sun route.

        Supplementation is a good thing, and something I embrace as long as there is a natural option. Case in point, Alpha Lipoic Acid vs R- Lipoic Acid. They are two different chiralities (molecular twists) with the Alpha being the synthetic version and the R (more expensive) version having natural chirality.

        1. I take vitamin d from lichen, a fungus, so to my mind it’s possible to get it from a food source in supplement form. Of course I think the sun is still so important to our health far beyond just vitamin d.

          1. I take vitamin d from lichen, a fungus, so to my mind it’s possible to get it from a food source in supplement form.

            Thanks for the point. I’ll look for that source the next time I order… hoping it is D-3 version?

    6. Chemtrails are as real as phlogiston or fairies at the bottom of your garden.

      They are a myth dreamt up and promulgated by conspiracy nuts. However, apparently even more people believe in them than in David Icke’s shapeshifting reptilian aliens
      “According to Public Policy Polling, about five percent of Americans believe in chemtrails. That’s more than the four percent who believe lizard people are taking over our politics but much less than the number who believe in bigfoot or that global warming is a hoax.”
      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/science-officially-debunks-chemtrails-conspiracy-live-180960139/9

      1. Knowing what the govt is capable of I don’t necessarily believe chemtrails are “real”…but I do believe they are a possibility.

        Pretty sure the lizard people have taken over politics….. ;-)

      2. Good response Tom. I am amazed at some of my friends who believe in chem trails. Think of the logic of this. Would the elites or politicians allow dangerous chem trails to be dropped over Washington D.C. or London. No…..
        of course not, because that is where they and their families LIVE. The people who supposedly might order chem trails would not want to shower themselves and family members with such chemicals. And yet, there are chem trails over all major cities around the work: Peking, London, Moscow, New York, San Francisco….and so on. My conclusion is that chem trails are harmless because they cover ALL large cities where the elite leaders of the world live. Chem trails are just ice or moisture being formed by some form of condensation. That’s all. Nothing more. Now all of you go back and eat your spinach.

  2. “The China Study” is the largest demographic study ever done concerning the relationship between diet and health. It overwhelmingly supports Dr. Greger’s nutritional philosophy. Perhaps Denise Minger who wrote your citation should give it a gander. You might profit from flipping through its pages as well.

  3. The only time I ever had a yeast infection, and jock itch in my life was taking some yeast. However, my accidental discovery was from making beer. See often in the process we make a yeast starter where yeast are set in full bloom to ready for the beer. They are happy and thriving. This concoction was light beer with no hops. So I poured some off to “taste it”. It was actually tasty if you like light American beer like a bud or keystone. Anyway within days of tasting this concoction a couple of times I developed thrush coating on my tongue. Later blatter and urinary issues then the worst case of jock itch ever. Then started having saddle sores very painful saddle sores. It was horrible, not easy to cure. Practically ruined my cycling clothing from washing in bleach over and over again. Fortunately for me I don’t eat much refined or added sugars. I’ve since found out it can actually leak in the gut and cause blood poisoning. So I probably won’t be doing yeast. But hey, I never get a cold.

    1. It seems to my observation some peoples just cannot take yeast. A yeast allergy may be due to some differing causes which Dr Greger has done a video on. To my dim recollection the video made some mention of bakers and those continually exposed to yeast. And in some others it causes gastrointestinal distress there is a specific tied to that as well, so those may not take it also.

      But for one under severe stress which is not your typical lifestyle but some of those occupations described it could matter. Recuring colds with barely a break to my observation personally lead to sinus or ear infections which lead to antibiotics which lead to many other things.
      So if I was in severe stress, which I am certainly not this may provide a option.
      I like the taste especially sprinkled on Italian foods. Yum Yum. Seeing this video I intend to eat some for lunch ;)

    2. Thank you David for your testimony on yeast. Since I try to err on the side of caution, I think I will forget about buying some nutritional yeast at the health food store and just continue to rely upon my huge bowls of green raw leafy vegetables and bowls of berries. These are my 2 main stays. Of course I have other veggies and I always eat a can of black beans everyday. But, my #1 priority are green leafy vegetables an berries.

      1. John in fairness, I should say yeast can be in various stages from very active to very inactive/dormant. I’ve never had a food allergy in my life. Sadly the yeast Ingested was in the most excited and active state possible. I can say I’ve drank a lot of beer yeast from homemade beers and never had a problem until then. However, since that infection, I can not really tolerate active beer yeast or wheat beers. I’m not sure if it’s the yeast or the wheat or both but body says no more.

    3. Nutritional yeast is inactive yeast, very important difference. We should never ingest active yeast. Yeast is deactivated at fairly low temperatures which is why it’s safe to use in baking.

  4. Can you do a video on Chaga mushrooms? They have crazy high beta glucans, and are one of the most antioxidant rich foods on the planet. They are supposed to help our immune system better than most other foods, and supposedly help shrink tumors and deal with the symptoms of chemo

    1. The wolf man David Wolfe promotes Chaga mushrooms. I know you can purchase the dried and pulverized grains of all kinds of mushrooms at the health food store. The the mushroom powders are put into capsules. You can also buy Chagra mushrooms on ebay, but the pictures of these mushrooms for sale don’t look clean. There are no checks and balances or oversight on the collection, packaging and transport of Chagra mushrooms. I’ll stick with Frozen Indian Gooseberries which are actually the most powerful food on the planet in the area of antioxidants and vitamin C.

  5. Nutritional Yeast Beta-Glucan.
    Nutritional Yeast Beta-Glucan.
    Nutritional Yeast Beta-Glucan.

    Cummon! You’re supposed to be masters of research. You’re showing your food-bias and a bit of tunnel vision here.

    Beta-Glucan has been addressed in quite a bit of important research over the years. Including studies that suggest that it’s available in many different food sources, with very little difference in effectiveness.

    AND!!! Beta-Glucan supplements are widely available, cheap and very effective!

    Please stop the tunnel-vision.

    I eat oats for breakfast almost every day. But I’ve also taken Beta-Glucan supplements for years. Because that’s what good research has dictated.

    Please stop muddying the waters.

    Thanks for all you do.

    1. Richard, Dr. Greger is anything but tunnel-visioned. Supplements more often than not, fall short of proper studies and can even be dangerous. The supplement industry is so poorly regulated that a beta-glucan supplement could contain 100 times more or 100 times less of what it’s claiming and have other harmful additives or impurities, just for an example. Knowing that a great source of beta-glucan is found naturally occurring in a healthy food is in so many ways the smartest choice, in part for simply being a reliable source. If you want real tunnel-vision supplement promoting stuff, congratulations, you have 99% of the internet. Dr. Greger is only going to recommend well researched, safe products.

      For that matter, my guess is the beta-glucan rich nutritional yeast would be more effective (if not simply safer) as it’s naturally occurring and in its whole form and this tends to be the case when it comes to isolated nutrients vs. whole form.

    2. Yeah that’s right, it is always tunnel vision here against supplement, and then talk about one thing and ignore the rest of sciences.

      If you want to get the beta glucan, then why not eat mushroom but eat nutritional yeast instead? Is that because Dr G had a video on nutritional yeast previously and now he is obsessed and just zoom into one thing?

      Don’t get me wrong, I consume nutritional yeast every day but just don’t mud the beta glucan subject with it.

      http://www.superbetaglucan.com/faq

      How does your product differ in particular with the other beta glucan, ie: Yeast Based derived Beta Glucan.
      Our scientists believe that mushroom extracted beta glucan, along with our signature formulation to preserve long term effectiveness, demonstrate superior immune modulating result comparable to its Baker’s Yeast cousin. The difference between the complex between the mushroom beta glucan and the Baker’s Yeast derived ones is that, despite the similarity between the Beta 1,3 1,6-D Glucan derived from both, mushroom beta glucan contains Lectin, which can be defined as a protein decipher of glycocode, specifically binds or cross-links carbohydrates. There are tens of thousands of unique lectins currently identified and cataloged by the science community. One such lectin is from the Agaricus blazei Murril mushroom and has been found to avidly bind with the Thomsen-Friedenreich antigen (Gal beta-1,3-GalNAc) specific receptors exclusively expressed on tumor cells and found on the membrane of 80 to 90 percent of all known cancer cells. This lectin has been reproduced by various pharmaceutical manufactures via chemical synthesis. This may be due to protein folding or the configuration requirements for binding, but SBG believes no company has been successful in artificially reproducing the molecule for general use.

      Another difference is the ability to dissolve in water. As the mushroom beta glucan harness a shorter beta-1,3 glycosidic chain, it is naturally water soluble as compared to the yeast derived one, which is naturally water insoluble.

  6. I came upon this newspaper column from India. It reveals (and names company names) what animal products may go into common vitamin supplements. Many surprises. Excerpt:

    “Vitamins tablets or capsules usually contain additives that aid in the manufacturing process, or the way the vitamin is digested by the body. These are some of them:

    “Gelatine is the most commonly used animal ingredient in vitamin supplements. It forms the basis of most capsule shells and is also used in the coating and filling of tablets. Gelatine is derived from boiling hooves, stomach, and other tissue linings, of pigs, cows and goats.

    “Other components of fillers and lubricants, on the coating of vitamin supplements, are magnesium stearate and caprylic acid. Magnesium stearate is derived from stearic acid, which is a fatty acid found in pigs, chicken, cows, fish, milk and butter. Caprylic acid comes from the milk of goats, cows and sheep.

    “Many tablets are coated with colours to make them look attractive. Many of these colours are animal based. A commonly used red food dye is made from carmine, which comes from the dead bodies of scale insects similar to beetles.

    “Lanolin is another animal sourced material used to manufacture vitamin D supplements. It is obtained from wool-bearing animals. (D3 is also made from fish oils. This is dangerous because it may have a hidden mercury content). Vegan vitamin D3 supplements, sourced from algae, are a viable alternative. Or, stand in the sun.

    “Another common ingredient is cod liver oil, which is used as a source of vitamin A and vitamin D. This comes from oils extracted from the liver of cod fish. Vitamin B12 (cobalamin) is often derived from organ meats, especially liver, from lamb, veal, beef, and turkey, fish eggs, clams, mackerel and crab meat. So are Vitamins B2, B3, B5 , B6, B7……”

    The article continues at http://www.firstpost.com/india/many-ingredients-in-vitamin-supplements-are-not-vegetarian-here-are-some-plant-based-alternatives-4293503.html

    1. Thanks for the info.
      On lanolin I thought I may mention. It is indeed not vegan as it is animal sourced. It is however derived from the wool of the animal not the animal itself. Sheep are really not factory farmed as are others. Could be someone is doing that somewhere but generally they are not. Seem not amenable to it.

      Sheep are eventually killed for mutton but the wool gathering goes on without overt injury to the animal if the shearer is any good at it which they usually are.
      Yes I know there are videos out there on how horrible sheep shearing may be but there are also videos on how bad carriage riding is for horses.
      All I can say is it depends.

      Honey is not vegan as well as most may know. But as to overall harm from bees by the harvesters and keepers of honey…I just don’t see it.
      The queen is replaced in kept farms and not in wild farms. But if she is not replaced she starts as a genetic abnormality as she ages to produce mostly drones, who the hive kill or drives away as they are useless. So in that it seems we produce less harm in kept honey fields. The queen is replaced and the old one killed but many many less drones are produced and die as a result.
      Just saying….

      PETA is against both practices but as you may also know is against cat or dog ownership regardless of condition the animal is kept in.
      So we must decide if we want to follow this or that.

        1. Thanks Laura
          I am poor so I do what I can but in the main I do research and try to eat with less harm. I think TESLA may now have a vegan car…but don’t have the money ;( Now it is easy back in 1990 when I started to eat this way(86 veggie) it was hard. I had to research everything personally. I remember calling up a salsa manufacturer to find out what that stuff called carmine in it was……they refused.Thought I was a competitor stealing their secret ingredient…bugs. Comical.

          Even joined PETA once but decided owning a dog and riding a horse in the total scheme of things was not all that bad. Glad they are around though to provide a extreme we can draw in from.

          .

      1. To add if one wants to be vegan in diet it is I would say completely necessary usually to get ones supplements certified vegan or vegetarian. Vegetarian if one qualifies the content by inspection of ingredients. There is a possibility of lawsuit usually based on a religious claim if they lie on those two items so I would suggest they are probably what they say they are in that specific regard.
        If one is OK with vit D lanolin most of those that are mention it. Commonly D-3 is the kind found in lanolin.. Not mentioned it likely is from fish. DHA EPA not marked vegan is from fish.
        Carmine is also found quite surpriseingly in some brands of salsa. To be clear it is made from bugs.Meat eaters are also seemingly bug eaters ;)
        Cyanocobalamin B-12(one form) may be vegetarian sourced as well.

        Chips surprisingly also quite often contain dairy products.
        Calcium supplements of course there are many derived from milk. But we also have others like calcium citrate. But they may mix dairy in even calcium citrate ones. I would make sure calcium is marked vegan.

        Not all nut milks are marked vegan. I assume the animal or dairy product is in the vitamins or minerals. Most is however.
        Flax milk is now getting popular.
        As a general rule the cheaper the packaged product the more likely it is to contain meat or dairy to my observation. In New Mexico tortillas are real big. The cheapest rot gut down and dirty tortillas a dozen for a dollar are made with lard. Most of the others are veggie oils.

        .

        1. Ron, great info but I wonder if some of the things you post aren’t updated? The one I have in mind is the Carmine for Red dye. I bring this up because I recently read that beets are being used as a Red dye of choice… but maybe that was for vegans and vegetarians.

          Anyway, not doubting anything you say… just wondering if some of what we are concerned about may have been changed for the better.

          Wasn’t aware that PETA is against having pets… I guess PETA is an acronym for PET Against. ‘-)

          1. Carmine is referenced in the original post on this that I commented on. I did not author that post. So I suppose it is still in use though it seems this is a Indian source.
            Natural products are replacing artificial that is the trend. Dunkin Donuts of all places just announced this week they are going to stop using artificial dyes and such in their donuts.

            In England this vegan thing is really catching on and is going full steam by my read. So I also suppose artificial color carmine is on the way out. America seems light years behind England but that is just my personal read. Things area picking up here as well. Just not as quickly nor to the same degree. My guess is their media is not as controlled by corporate interest as ours is.

            Go to the guardian website and you will find bunches of articles in the lifestyle part on or in reference to vegans,. Particularly in favor are vegan dishes. One cookware company just came out with a line of cookware focused on Vegan…this thing is in marketing terms on fire, there at least.
            People know something is wrong as they just do not feel healthy. So they are looking at a number of things. Removing the artificial is one of them.

            My guess is that some are still using carmine. There is also other red food dye that has proven carciogenic. I think that is still on the market. Red food dye #2 to my very dim recollection.

            Yes PETA….. people for the ethical treatment of animals I think….do not believe in pet ownership. Nor carriage riding nor horse riding.
            It is good to have them to provide a side from which we can negotiate in from but really I do not agree with them on those things.
            Mostly they just do good things though that is really not much focused on. They have a monthly magazine as well.

            1. I speak Russian, and you can type in VEGAN in cyrillic russian vocabulary in google and you will find that many Russians are interested in veganism.
              Russia still has large state run dairy factories, cattle slaughter houses, and other animal protein industries like America. They also have private farms. Meat, cheese, eggs, fish, and dairy have always been a tradition in Russia, but there are people who are beginning to adopt a whole plant food diet as the information gets to them, especially in large cities like Moscow. Russia is able to import a lot of produce from India, China, and other Asian countries.

              1. Good to hear.
                I hope the US would get on board with this thing as well as England has but suspect it is not in the cards.

                Real good to hear others are. Perhaps big meat and dairy will be stopped which is my hope. I see hunting if one was to do that as the best form of that, as you actually kill the animal yourself and know it was real. But this big agriculture thing is just a big evil thing as I see it.

                Won’t hunt myself though I spend bunches of time in wilderness each year and know where and how.
                But this thing you buy in a package of plastic wrap in a supermarket and then cry if you see a dog dead hit by a car…makes no sense to me.
                A evil as I see it clearly evil. But choice of this thing of diet varies I guess.

  7. Why does beta glucan have to come from nutritional yeast which many people don’t like. What about beta glucan from other sources such as oats and barley? Are these sources just as effective?

    1. From the study, Beta Glucan: Health Benefits in Obesity and Metabolic Syndrome:

      Among cereals, the highest content (g per 100 g dry weight) of β-glucan has been reported for barley: 2–20 g (65% is water-soluble fraction) and for oats: 3–8 g (82% is water-soluble fraction). Other cereals also contain β-glucan but in much lower amounts: sorghum 1.1–6.2 g, rye 1.3–2.7 g, maize 0.8–1.7 g, triticale 0.3–1.2 g, wheat 0.5–1.0 g, durum wheat 0.5-0.6 g, and rice 0.13 g.

      Perhaps that is a reason why barley was favored by the ancient Greeks and Indo-Aryans of the Vedic age. It’s encouraging that when Greger once recommended primarily oats, in recent monthy Q&As, a few months ago he mentioned oats & barley, and most recently, mentioned (black) barley first.

    2. Hi, Rena. Many of the published beta glucan studies test yeast beta glucans from various yeasts including bakers yeast. I think this is at least partly because the research is focused on producing drugs or supplements, rather than on testing the effectiveness of whole foods. That said, according to this study, at least some beta-glucan receptors may be specific to fungal beta glucans. Maybe a whole grain oat and barley bread leavened with yeast? It is difficult to know whether beta glucans from oats, barley, or mushrooms would be as effective against stress-induced immune suppression without research comparing them. There is research showing benefits from all of these foods, but they may or may not be the same benefits mentioned in this video. I have not found any data yet to address this specific question, but I will keep looking. I hope that helps!

  8. I wonder about if it would help me with chronic fatigue (multiple viruses in my system)? However I have autoimmune Hashimotos Thyroditis and apparently we need to help our immune systems, but not boost them too much else they increase the attack on our thyroid tissue. I get so confused!

    Plus I’m wondering if nutritional yeast is ok if you have Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth?

  9. Nutritional yeast is a fungus and therefore contains beta glucan just like mushroom.

    Don’t get me wrong, nutritional yeast is beneficial and I consume it everyday in my salad.

    But the beta glucan that nutritional yeast contains, is beneficial to the immune system but it does not bind to cancer cells the way that beta glucan in mushroom does and mushroom beta glucan is good for the immune system as well. If you are going to eat both anyway (like I do) then it’s fine. But if you only eat one then mushroom is a better choice.

    http://www.superbetaglucan.com/faq

    What is Mushroom Beta Glucan?
    Mushroom Beta Glucan is the beta 1,3;1,6 D-glucan extracted from the medicinal mushrooms. Structure wise, mushroom beta glucan is a carbohydrate polymer with chain of glucose molecules bonded by beta-glycosidic linkages. It is one of the main components of the cell wall in most mushrooms. These polymers have a diverse structural variability including molecular weight, linkage patterns, and degree of branching, triple helical conformation and water solubility. In terms of application, mushroom derived beta glucan have been claimed to be more versatile due to the water solubility nature that can be isolated without any organic/inorganic solvent such as ethanol.

    How does your product differ in particular with the other beta glucan, ie: Yeast Based derived Beta Glucan.
    Our scientists believe that mushroom extracted beta glucan, along with our signature formulation to preserve long term effectiveness, demonstrate superior immune modulating result comparable to its Baker’s Yeast cousin. The difference between the complex between the mushroom beta glucan and the Baker’s Yeast derived ones is that, despite the similarity between the Beta 1,3 1,6-D Glucan derived from both, mushroom beta glucan contains Lectin, which can be defined as a protein decipher of glycocode, specifically binds or cross-links carbohydrates. There are tens of thousands of unique lectins currently identified and cataloged by the science community. One such lectin is from the Agaricus blazei Murril mushroom and has been found to avidly bind with the Thomsen-Friedenreich antigen (Gal beta-1,3-GalNAc) specific receptors exclusively expressed on tumor cells and found on the membrane of 80 to 90 percent of all known cancer cells. This lectin has been reproduced by various pharmaceutical manufactures via chemical synthesis. This may be due to protein folding or the configuration requirements for binding, but SBG believes no company has been successful in artificially reproducing the molecule for general use.

  10. Dr Greger is great providing studies that explain the recommendations. i recently saw a video that said the French people have low occurences of the diseases that plage those on the standard American Diet but their diet is far from plant based a is rich with fat and oils. the only explanation was that they eat together and they eat slowly.
    What is Dr gregers opinion about this?
    Thanks

    1. Ed I can’t at all speak for Dr Greger but a video does not comprise science.
      Is there some scientific study to back up the video?
      When a study is provided it then can be examined to make the determination if it is valid or not.

      You never know about things in the field of nutrition seemingly. Perhaps the French board of tourism sponsored a video so more people would come there and eat at French restaurants. Perhaps a chain of French restaurants attempting to expand globally produced a video.
      Not saying that is the case but without a study really there is no way to make a determination. We have only a claim, which is not science nor can we draw conclusion nor venture remedy from someone stating a thing is fact..

      1. I watched a PBS replay video called “In Defense of Food” It did a great job going through the history of food world wide and how the food and agricultural industries got us to the unhealthy point we are now. Throughout the video states statistics about diseases that exist where processed foods have become dominant in the diet of the population and do not exist were people eat more natural whole foods.  it wasn’t any advertisement for the industry.  But one point made they called the “French conundrum”.  Where in France people do not eat a plant based whole foods diet and yet they don’t have the same instances of diseases found in populations on a diet resembling the standard American diet. The video said the French eat smaller proportions, eat together, and eat slower.  I was wondering if Dr Greger or anyone had heard of this French conundrum and if it is actually true.  Except for this one statement about the French, the video does a nice job and would agree with Dr Gregers statements.  Ed.

        1. Maybe the French population has a DNA type that allows them to eat more pasta, more oils, drink wines, and to NOT eat a plant based diet. There is a tribe of Indians in South America that smokes, and eats the worse junk food you can imagine and none of them ever come down with heart disease and it is all because of their DNA. Dr. Greger has a video on this Indian tribe. But, for most of us, we can’t take a chance on having great DNA. We must eat huge amounts of green leafy raw vegetables, and eat a lot of blue berries, strawberries, and raspberries. And we need to make sure that we eat at least one can of black beans everyday. I have a cousin who is 83.
          He is 6 foot 4 inches and he has always eaten like a horse. He eats the standard American diet plus whatever more you can eat. The guy is a garbage disposal…..and yet….he can still walk and talk and chew gum at the same time. Go figure that one. But, I can’t eat like that, if I did, it would kill me. For me…..I know for a fact that I am alive today because of eating a plant based diet for the last 3 years. I guess I don’t have the DNA of my cousin. And, like wise, maybe the majority of Americans do not have the same DNA as the French. But, for me and my family we will always eat plant based meals. I love my green leafy raw vegetables. Your taste buds will change as you continue down this plant based path, and you will begin to look forward to eating a bowl full of greens, more than you would eating a juicy steak.

          1. Which tribe are you referring to? Do you happen to have a link or remember the title to that video?
            We don’t need to eat a can of black beans everyday, we just should regularly eat beans.
            No matter what our DNA, health is mostly dictated by diet which has the ability to turn on and off certain genes and either help protect and repair our DNA or damage it.

            1. I tried to research the name of the Indian tribe located in Central America or South America, but I could not find it. You are going to have to ask Dr.
              Greger, because he mentioned these indians in one of his videos and then I found a great YouTube video about them and the video went into the fact that these indians are basically immune to heart disease even though they all smoke like chimneys and eat really fatty foods and they are able to get away with it because of their DNA. Ask Dr. Greger, he will know.

              1. John, I actually think I know who you’re talking about but am not completely sure… is it the Kuna Indians? If so, I do recall from Dr. Greger’s video that the reason scientists believe these people are so healthy is due to their daily consumption of cacao. I got the impression they drink it in the way most Americans drink coffee.

        2. Ed, see my response to John. The French paradox is a myth created by false reports. Dr. Greger has a video on that here explaining in detail. Doesn’t sound like that pbs special was very thorough.

            1. No prob! Susan posted the video below if you want to check it out.

              If that documentary was based off of Michael Pollan’s writing, I’m sure there was some good info in there regarding animal agriculture’s major influence on government. I never read his price the whole way through but found some of what I read very insightful in this regard.

          1. With some possible exceptions, I think Dr Greger was on once not so long ago ;) they generally are not what they once were. Overt propaganda like as not as I read it.. Fulfilling government and corporate agenda. They refuse no donations by any corporations to my recollection.
            Accepting gross amounts of money to run their stuff you have to wonder can they be objective.

        3. The saturated fat and cholesterol fake theories are the biggest lie that human has committed and it is championed by the U.S. Big Foods and Big Pharma. These fake theories cause the havoc to the world health.

          Yes the entire world including the French, Greek, Chinese, Japanese, Icelandic, etc. have been eating real fat and especially saturated fat for thousands of years without any problems and with benefits. It ranges from people like the French who eat butter and cheese and dairy to the Japanese, Chinese who eat talon and bone broth and coconut and all seafoods except for fish such as shellfish (crab, shrimp. oyster, etc.) all have cholesterol.

          1. The US now controls the world’s dietary preference?

            Sorry no
            And other nations have laws which restrict the income of pharma products. And in almost all cases New Zeeland being one exception pharma products are not allowed to be openly marketed.

          2. Jerry, Post a picture on the internet someplace and send the link to us and show us what you eat. Also, show us a picture of you in a bating suit so we can see what kind of physique you have. Send the link to us in this forum.
            We want to see how healthy you really look eating all of that fat, butter, meat, ice cream, sour cream, eggs, tuna, and Big Macs.

      1. The French paradox as the so called China study are all fantasies and novel stories dreamed up by somebody in the bedroom in the U.S. Statistically, the French always have among the highest longevity of the world.

        1. The French DO NOT have the highest longevity in the world. The older Japanese population in Okinawa and the 7th Day Adventist in Loma Linda have the longest lived lives as a GROUP. Sorry Jerry, you are wrong again.

    2. Ed

      There are many risk factors for heart disease, dementia, cancer etc. These include diet but things like obesity, high blood pressure, lack of exercise, infections, binge drinking and environmental pollution are also factors. But.as well as risk factors, there are protective factors like high fruit and vegetable consumption, regular exercise and even lower total calorie consumption which can impact final outcomes. It has also been suggested that cardiovascular deaths are underreported in France. But nobody knows for sure the reason(s) for the difference between the French stats and the US/UK/Finnish etc stats

      There are nevertheless a large number of differences between the French and US/UK/ Finnish etc lifestyles which might explain why saturated fat consumption seems less important in the diets of France and other Mediterranean countries. However, less important is not the same as unimportant. Dietary saturated fat consumption is still a risk factor in France. even though it is apparently relatively less of a rosk than in the US. For example, in the Lyon Diet Heart Study butter and cream were replaced with vegetable oils and margarines and cardiovascular risk significantly declined (however, the experimental diet also involved other changes). This is consistent with other studies where the replacement of saturated fats with less unhealthy fats reduced cardiovascular risk.
      http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/103/13/1823
      http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/06/15/CIR.0000000000000510

      1. Always err on the side of caution. All of these fat consuming Americans who like to point out the French paradox are totally forgetting something and that is “you fat consuming Americans are NOT French and you do not live in France.” Always err on the side of caution.

  11. John, the French paradox is a myth created by inaccurate statistics. Dr. Greger actually addresses that in one of his videos. I wish French genes enabled one to drink lots of wine though, that’d be nice for me lol.

  12. Good Doctor,

    How about looking into the adaptogenic, nootropic herb, Rhodiola rosea that is supposed to be helpful. It Has a significant amount of Russian research and was developed secretly by them to support their troops and cosmonauts. Dr. Brown and Gerbarg have written a book entitled “The Rhodiola Revolution” that may be a good starting point.

    Thanks for you and your organizations work!

    1. I second Mac the knife Greger (he does cutting research ‘-) addressing Rhodiola.

      I see it showing up in more and more combined supplement concoctions and knowing it is above average in cost per unit, I assume it comes with the benefits past research has proclaimed. Combined supplement providers usually try to target the individual who stays abreast of trending research.

      I took Rhodiola pills for a time and now I just put some drops of liquid Rhodiola in my tea that I drink throughout the day. I cannot say if it helps me or not… I just started taking it some years ago based on some information I read at the time.

      Thing is, I continue taking it along with my many other supplements as I’m pretty sure it does no harm, and since my supplement regimen seems to be keeping me healthy I’m not likely to remove it from that regimen unless I read convincing evidence that it actually is harmful.

      If a study should turn up saying it is neutral, that is, neither harmful nor beneficial… I’ll continue taking it since it could have qualities that we don’t know about yet.

      Similar to Vitamin A. First it was great before it was harmful. I quit that one right away, as I was a smoker at the time. But recently I’ve learned the importance of having enough Vitamin A to keep our stem cells in good shape, so I’ve resumed taking it in low doses. But if I were on a well-rounded vegan or vegetarian diet I’m guessing I probably would get sufficient amounts of Vitamin A to fulfill that need.

      https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-05/gcrc-vad050517.php

      1. Just a suggestion Lonie

        I have heard of some complaining of low vit A on vegan diets at times but really don’t think it is substantiated as we get the precusser which is converted normally.

        But my goji berries have one serving as providing 180% of the vitamin A as listed on the package. I think they are all the same but this specific is natural grocers organic goji berries. Amazon has them as well.
        They taste petty good as I find them. And they have many other benefits such as things that help eye health and prevent macular degeneration.
        The problem with the studies may have been the taking of Vit A in isolation separate from its normally found associations. A whole food then gets around that if we use a whole food as source for the vitamin. Which goji berries are.

        I snack on them about all day.

        1. >>>I have heard of some complaining of low vit A on vegan diets at times but really don’t think it is substantiated as we get the precusser which is converted normally

          In my view, anyone concerned should get their blood levels checked. Some people have a polymorphism that significantly reduces conversion rates of beta-carotene to the active form. In general, I think general issue of polymorphisms and nutrition receive too little attention. I have no doubt that some vegans carry that polymorphism.

          1. Valid of course. Thanks for the info.
            But in this specific the Goji berries state 180% of the vitamin A in a single serving, about a handful I think.

            I guess it could be mismarked but consistently they have that on the package for several years. Vit C 30% Iron 15%
            Pretty good thing for anyone to eat and tasty to ;)

      1. * Interesting article Tom. Thanks for sharing. Here is one snipet from the article: “When taken orally (by mouth), rhodiola may cause dizziness and dry mouth.”

        1. Here is one snipet from the article: “When taken orally (by mouth), rhodiola may cause dizziness and dry mouth.”

          Yeah, read the post and it seems this is the only thing resembling a negative, which I’ve never experienced by the way. Just the usual caveat that they don’t have enough evidence or expensive studies to back up what has been reported as beneficial.

          Darn those big drug companies for not doing a study on this natural supplement!

  13. Jerry is ruining this forum, and that is exactly his goal or his employer’s goal. If you look a few years back in the videos, the comments were knowledgeable scientists chatting back and forth about nutrition and the studies. It was really informative and fascinating. A lot of it was over my head, I’m not a scientist, but I looked up terms and learned a lot. Can we just ignore Jerry instead of arguing with him, please? Get the intelligent informed people posting on this website again? It’s not worth reading the comments anymore which is really a shame. I still watch the videos and buy the books though!

    1. Don’t agree. He must be refuted. I have seen sites where they let the trolls rule and they do not just go away.
      They continue and make them completely trashed. The weather channel is the example to follow…refute refute refute with science science science. They continue but their message does not rule the place. And believe me big oil tried to end that climate change discussion and do so till this day.

      This is really just the start.. As DR Greger is getting more and more popular the industry will send more this way.
      This is the reality of todays internet. This side must prepare themselves. More moderators is a absolute necessity.,

      1. So Ron, are you telling us that this is the beginning of the TROLL WARS? I wonder if John Williams could write a theme song for this? :-)

        1. On this site yes.

          I am telling them that. I am rarely listened to however much to my dismay ;(

          They must moderate more closely. One subject a blog not here now but over the weekend had spammers selling stuff…2 days without a removal.
          Overt operatives will subject your site to spammers as well.
          And they will hack. All else fails they will try to bring down the site.
          Dr Greger is going on national media January 11…they must prepare for what will come.

          I see it already subtly but surely. Been around a while. .

          Told peoples about Snowdens stuff before there was a Snowden…..I was ignored and considered a nut…oh well…
          Such is my karmic plight. No matter as long as I give it a go and try to tell them.

          Like what he is saying is the why.

          1. Just came from looking at the new video ….Including the original poster there were three names associated with supporting by posting comments something from a right wing conspiracy outlet.
            Those people don’t normally frequent this medium

            One operative or three. By my guess one but never are you going to find three holding those type views on this site normally. One is certainly a possible. Three no. Some claptrap about evil microwaves. Typical right wing fringe nonsense. One posing as three is the most probable. Which means a operative is on the site unrecognized.

            I would guess those three or one will also manipulate the likes as why would they not?
            How bulletproof is their like button….I guess not at all but it is a guess.

  14. The thread for this video was one of the worst because of the constant back and forth. People have dealt with Jerry better in the past by quickly saying he’s wrong or misinformed and then carrying on with their own point, not arguing his point.

    1. My point is the tact varies depending on the attention a site is getting by those who are sponsored and trolling for effect.

      No comment is ignored ever on the weather underground, now owned by the weather channel.
      I would suggest one may care to view that site for a example on how it is handled. A article will be published by a expert in the field in climatology and then there is discussion. Similar to here on health. Then in the discussion the industry sponsors will showup. And the participants will refute their every point and go on and on until they cease or are replaced by another voicing the same nonsense .
      A site cannot control the industry sponsors from showing up.
      A example of non control and simple ignore as tactic are the reader supported news website and the Russia today or rt website.
      Both were essentially destroyed with the ignore as tactic means. RSN is returning more tightly moderated with that as tact. But this site due to structure is not amenable to that. RT my guess is it is still the same but truthfully I have not checked in there for several years.
      The trolls there were antisemetic goons it was quite disagreeable and the site made no attempt to even monitor it.

      Those sponsored are not discouraged by ignoring them. They are on the clock. Typically they work five or six sites each work period and go back and forth.
      If you want a discussion to be viable on your topic that is your choice. Dr Greger could just abandon this discussion format.The Guardian has employed that tact….Very few discussionable topics are there now…once they were all discussionable.

      But I personally feel the weather channel has the best tact and is similar to this site in set up., I am no authority but have been out and about since this thing basically started in the late nineties. .

    1. It’s up to you, but the risks are low and the potential benefit is significant. Personally, I eat a almost completely raw, unprocessed plant based diet: raw fruit, nuts, broccoli, sweet potato, asparagus, cabbage, etc. These foods are covered in bacteria (ie. probiotics) and the food itself is prebiotic. I get MAYBE 1 cold every OTHER year or every third year. Before I ate this way, I got several colds per year.

      Dr. Ben

        1. I sometimes cook beans and eat them. Most of the beans I eat consist of the frozen organic edamame from Costco. I thaw in water for 30 seconds and eat.

          I do not know if raw WFPB confers lower BMI, but I would bet big money it does and this is how I control my BMI. Compare eating a raw sweet potato to cooked. Its so much easier to eat the cooked and easy to eat so much more.
          For the most part, except for nuts and avocados, the vast majority of starchy, calorie dense WFPB foods need to be cooked: grains, legumes, tubers. By going raw, you’re limiting yourself to low calorie density foods (all fruit) and high calorie density foods that you can’t eat much of like sweet potatoes, snap peas, or those high calorie density foods that you cannot eat uncooked: grains and legumes.

          Dr. Ben

          1. Dr. Ben, I am very interested in this enough to possibly try this. I am already wfpbno, but I get a lot of parsnips, rutabagas, sweet potatoes, regular potatoes, salad turnips, and Asian greens, as well as kale and other greens, from a CSA. Would you provide tips to me for using the starchy vegetables in raw form? (I also get carrots, but raw carrots are easy.) How do you do this? (I have been making soup with the starchy vegetables….)

            1. Aloha Liisa, I’m new to raw starchy veggies too. I don’t do much beyond peeling the sweet potatoes and eating them. I have tried raw potatoes but they are not that tasty to my palate, but my office manager loves them. I also eat raw: broccoli, cabbage, asparagus, snap peas, brussel sprouts, turnip, jicama and of course raw spinach, kale and carrots. And don’t forget eating raw nuts at the same time which acts as a super flavorful condiment. I also often eat fruit with this too. Apples are one of my favorites to add to the veggie mix. The key is to avoid what you don’t like and focus on what you do like.

              Dr. Ben

              1. Dr. Ben, what started you on this path? My daughter and a friend of hers from China descended upon our home during a Christmas break from college and left a lot of books on our coffee table. Among them were “The China Study” and one of John Robbins’s books. I started reading these which is what started me on my wfpb path. Later I read “Whole” which started me on “NO.”

                1. My father discovered Dr. G’s videos. Then I saw the evidence, so I switched. My two 20-something kids are also strict WFPB. I’m raw because I gain weight easily and want to lose more (I’m 5’6″ 140 lbs but shooting for 125 lbs) and would like to see if I can become non-sodium sensitive as I believe it has to do with my Metabolic Syndrome (sodium sens hypertension, low HDL, high triglycerides) I can easily gain weight eating cooked beans, rice, sweet potatoes, fruit and nuts.

                  Dr. Ben

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                  1. Dr. Ben, that is very interesting and I can relate to your reasoning in just about all ways. My two kids are close to vegan, both becoming so before me, but not as good as yours! I also appear to be sodium sensitive with triglycerides in the 180’s, as I recall. My diastolic is in the very low 120’s but my doctor never mentions it. I love salt–part of the issue. I lost 25 lbs going wfpb and another 5 going no-oil, but it is not enough for me. I am still in the “overweight” BMI and want more progress.
                    Chef AJ went no oil/no nuts and got slim, but I don’t think that will work for me. I recently took up running at the insistence of my son, and run about 1.5 hrs per week, weather permitting, but that has not helped even one pound, although it does help some people; I also lift weights. I hope you will please keep me apprised of your progress, should you find something that works. (I sometimes post “WFPB” in front of my name….)

                    Liisa

                    1. I think you’ll find that eating frozen fruit will help. As Dr. G’s vids show, eating slowly, which is a requirement with frozen fruit, will help you lose weight. Some nuts are fine. Several human feeding studies have clearly shown that only 80-90 of nut calories are actually absorbed. You don’t need to say “no” because oil is not a whole food, so automatically eliminated as part of a true WFPB diet. What you can add is “raw” and you can add “unprocessed”. Dr. G’s vid showed that unprocessed food is absorbed less than processed food. You will need some exercise if you want to lose fat, but 1/2 to an hour per day will suffice, but you should get at least that much. Try going raw and unprocessed (any other than a knife is processing, so no smoothies). You will lose body fat.

                      Dr. Ben

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                      http://www.avg.com

                    2. Dr. Ben, I had some small salad turnips in my fridge from my CSA which I had always added to soup. I was not very fond of them. Today I peeled two for part of my lunch and they were *delicious!*–almost like apples. My dog begged for the turnip peels and ate them with gusto. Next up?
                      Parsnips and rutabagas….?

                    3. Aloha Liisa: Sounds great! I’ve noticed my taste has changed. I now like things that I didn’t before, like raw veggies. Def experiment and make sure you enjoy what you eat or you won’t eat it in the long run. As you know, this is about success in the long run, so its not a diet, it’s a new lifestyle.

                      Dr. Ben

                  2. Hi, Dr. Ben,

                    I’m checking in with you after moving more into “raw” than I was previously. This process is similar in difficulty to that of changing from SAD to WFPB, which I did previously. I’ve lost some of my winter 5 lb gain–a couple of pounds in the one week I’ve been doing this–and I didn’t do this “raw” program religiously; I just did it where I could. I notice that if I have a couple raw, unprocessed items before my meal, this is a good strategy for me as it dulls my appetite and oddly enough, it stops my usual desire to eat and eat and eat…..

                    I have a problem not liking some raw foods much though; for example, I just had half a daikon radish chopped in sections–kind of an unpleasant “bitey” flavor. Rutabagas: similar. How do I manage this “not-so-tasty” issue for these healthy vegetables? Fruit is no issue–I like it all and have eaten raw-only fruit as part of the wfpb plan. I’m still consuming smoothies for greens because I find it easy to get in many healthy things–like kale, black pepper/turmeric, cranberries, lemon w/ peel, and blueberries. Dr. G. says slow consumption works for smoothies and I usually make them so that they still have some chewy parts (lemon peel?) to encourage slower consumption, as well.

                    1. I don’t think slow consumption of a veggie smoothie is necessary because there is no sugar there that could be absorbed quickly. It’s only fruit smoothies that should be sipped slowly. Personally, I never make fruit smoothies. I only eat whole fruit, all day. Regarding the veggies, and ALL other food: eat only what you like. If the veggie/fruit has an unpleasant bite, don’t eat it. I like broccoli stems and asparagus and raw sweet potatoes, so that’s what I eat. I don’t like most lettuce, so I don’t eat it. You’re spot on noticing that eating veggies will curb your appetite.
                      You could have insulin resistance, leptin resistance and/or be very sensitive to sugar, so by eating veggies, you’ll curb your appetite regardless of what follows by not only filling your stomach to reduce ghrelin secretion, but will also blunt the insulin response overall which will prevent leptin resistance, allowing your brain to see the leptin and feel satisfied. Good job overall!

                      Dr. Ben

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                    2. As Dr. G says, we don’t live in a “fasting world”…we live in a “postprandial world.” That said, if you’re not a diabetic, I wouldn’t expect to see much difference in your blood glucose level. It would show up in the insulin levels which you’d need to go to a lab to test several times over several hours.

                      Dr. Ben

                    3. With all due respects to Dr. Greger, fasting is a part of our world. Many animals hibernate during the winter which is a 2 or 3 month fast. Many animals when they become sick do not eat. All religions teach fasting as a way to enhance the power of prayer, psychic energy, and meditation. There are a few medical clinics, one in California, that medically guide people through fasting and these medical clinics keep records on their patients and many of their patients show improvement.

                    4. I totally agree with John, but you’re taking my response out of context.
                      Blood levels of lipids, insulin and glucose average out to be postprandial levels, not fasting levels, hence my comment.

                      Dr. Ben

      1. Thank you Ben for your testimony on eating mostly raw foods. Such testimonies as yours helps to keep us motivated to stay on the whole plant food diet and also to ignore the people who want us to eat saturated fats.

        1. John, you see what happened to Ron in New Mexico brain because of the low fat diet. I suspect that the same thing is happening to you because of your predisposition to violence and anger.

    1. It’s called “floriphagia”. It doesn’t appear that the nutritional content of edible flowers has been tested as much as other foods, but since it’s whole food plant based, along with the available evidence, suggests that they are probably healthy to eat. I suspect that they’re probably calorie poor, which is a good thing, but that means you’re going to have to eat a truck load of them if they are going to be a significant calorie source in your diet. Just make sure you carefully and gently pick all the bugs off or we’ll kick you out of the vegan club :)

      Here’s a link to a review: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25362819

      Dr. Ben

  15. Hello, I have been using Nutritional Yeast for some time now and have recently bought your wonderful cookbook. In your book you cook with the nutritional yeast in several recipes yet on my container of it there is a warning not to heat above 100C. Could you clarify please? I live in England so is this just an English product issue?

  16. I have heard testimonies that colloidal silver cures a variety of illnesses, even in children. Some people even take it as a preventative. Is it helpful? Is it safe?

  17. I’m sure nutritional yeast is a good supplement that has it’s place…..
    3 years ago I started adding NT to to protein shakes I drank twice a day (I over did it….about 15 grams 2 X a day)…..
    After 6 months of this I woke up one morning with my left knee twice the size as when I went to sleep….
    I had GOUT….(I never had it before)…..
    After researching all over the internet the source of the purines I was ingesting it was the nutritional yeast…..
    Which according to my research is loaded with them….
    After about a month of trying to cure it by eating cherries and celery it finally subsided…..
    The months I took this supplement I noticed no therapeutic effects from it….(like most super foods…)….

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