The Best Diet for Upset Stomach

The Best Diet for Upset Stomach
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What to avoid and what to eat to help with dyspepsia.

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Dyspepsia is just a fancy word for an upset stomach—feelings of fullness, discomfort, nausea, bloating, belching—affecting up to one in five individuals. In my last video, I talked about the risks associated with proton pump inhibitor drugs like Nexium, as well as folk remedies like baking soda. So, all in all, “studies [have] emphasized the unmet need for medications to treat patients with” dyspepsia—but why not try food?

One study put amalaki to the test, which is just another name for amla. They call it an Ayurvedic drug, but it’s just a fruit—powdered Indian gooseberries.  One teaspoon of dried Indian gooseberry powder three times a day versus an ounce of some gel antacid every three hours. And, both worked just as well: significant decreases in peak acid output, and a cutting of dyspepsia symptom scores in half. They conclude that amla is therefore better, about a hundred times cheaper (about a penny a week instead of a dollar a week), and more convenient than downing antacids six times a day. Though amla may be a safe, simple, natural remedy, such an approach is still very much in the pharmaceutical model of treating the symptoms, rather than the underlying cause. I mean, dyspepsia is not caused by a gooseberry deficiency. What is it caused by?

Well, about one in seven people describing a range of gastrointestinal symptoms feel better cutting out gluten. But for the other 86% of people, the most well-characterized trigger is high-fat meals. If you give people a fatty soup—just broth with added fat—it takes three times longer to empty from your stomach compared to the broth alone, like an hour and a half versus just a half-hour. Now, the emptying rate didn’t necessarily correlate with how people felt. But, regardless, the fatty broth “increased the severity and frequency of” dyspepsia over the regular broth.

What happens in dyspepsia is people become hypersensitive to the stretching of the stomach when you eat. But, it also matters what you eat. The human stomach can normally accommodate about a quart of food; a thousand milliliters; four cups. But, if you stick a balloon into people’s stomachs attached to a hose, people with dyspepsia will start feeling discomfort about here, only at about one-and-a-half cups, when the stomach is less than half-full. But, that’s when you’re dripping fat into their gut. If you’re instead dripping sugar in their gut while you’re blowing up the balloon, it can get up to here before causing discomfort in dyspeptics—about 70% more.

And, the same with fullness and nausea. Increase the pressure in the stomach with fat in there, and fullness and nausea shoot up. With fake fat in your stomach instead, the same pressures resulted in significantly less feelings of fullness and nausea. “These studies have shown that during distension of the stomach”—as the stomach fills up—dietary fats are a major trigger of dyspeptic symptoms such as nausea, pain bloating, and fullness. And, “they modulate…symptoms in a dose related fashion,” meaning more fat, the worse people felt.

These were some pretty elegant experiments, but also a bit artificial. I mean we don’t typically eat with balloons in our stomach. So, how about an experiment using actual food? They compared yogurts high in sugar/low in fat, versus high in fat/low in sugar. Eating the low-fat yogurt, there wasn’t as much difference in the nausea, pain, and bloating scores between those with dyspepsia and healthy subjects. But, give them the same amount of high-fat yogurt, and dyspepsia symptoms shot up almost immediately.

So: “One of our major findings was that the induction of gastrointestinal symptoms after the…test meals was ‘nutrient-specific.’ The consumption of a high-fat test meal was associated with a substantially greater increase in nausea and pain when compared to a high-carbohydrate meal” among those with dyspepsia, “with the [symptoms] scores increasing immediately after” eating.

This would suggest that sufferers not only reduce the amount of food they eat, which is the typical advice, but also try to keep the fat content down—a message echoed by a recent review of all such studies put together. “[C]urrent studies show that fatty foods are associated with occurrence of dyspeptic symptoms, and reduction of fat intake may [help] alleviate symptoms.”

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

Dyspepsia is just a fancy word for an upset stomach—feelings of fullness, discomfort, nausea, bloating, belching—affecting up to one in five individuals. In my last video, I talked about the risks associated with proton pump inhibitor drugs like Nexium, as well as folk remedies like baking soda. So, all in all, “studies [have] emphasized the unmet need for medications to treat patients with” dyspepsia—but why not try food?

One study put amalaki to the test, which is just another name for amla. They call it an Ayurvedic drug, but it’s just a fruit—powdered Indian gooseberries.  One teaspoon of dried Indian gooseberry powder three times a day versus an ounce of some gel antacid every three hours. And, both worked just as well: significant decreases in peak acid output, and a cutting of dyspepsia symptom scores in half. They conclude that amla is therefore better, about a hundred times cheaper (about a penny a week instead of a dollar a week), and more convenient than downing antacids six times a day. Though amla may be a safe, simple, natural remedy, such an approach is still very much in the pharmaceutical model of treating the symptoms, rather than the underlying cause. I mean, dyspepsia is not caused by a gooseberry deficiency. What is it caused by?

Well, about one in seven people describing a range of gastrointestinal symptoms feel better cutting out gluten. But for the other 86% of people, the most well-characterized trigger is high-fat meals. If you give people a fatty soup—just broth with added fat—it takes three times longer to empty from your stomach compared to the broth alone, like an hour and a half versus just a half-hour. Now, the emptying rate didn’t necessarily correlate with how people felt. But, regardless, the fatty broth “increased the severity and frequency of” dyspepsia over the regular broth.

What happens in dyspepsia is people become hypersensitive to the stretching of the stomach when you eat. But, it also matters what you eat. The human stomach can normally accommodate about a quart of food; a thousand milliliters; four cups. But, if you stick a balloon into people’s stomachs attached to a hose, people with dyspepsia will start feeling discomfort about here, only at about one-and-a-half cups, when the stomach is less than half-full. But, that’s when you’re dripping fat into their gut. If you’re instead dripping sugar in their gut while you’re blowing up the balloon, it can get up to here before causing discomfort in dyspeptics—about 70% more.

And, the same with fullness and nausea. Increase the pressure in the stomach with fat in there, and fullness and nausea shoot up. With fake fat in your stomach instead, the same pressures resulted in significantly less feelings of fullness and nausea. “These studies have shown that during distension of the stomach”—as the stomach fills up—dietary fats are a major trigger of dyspeptic symptoms such as nausea, pain bloating, and fullness. And, “they modulate…symptoms in a dose related fashion,” meaning more fat, the worse people felt.

These were some pretty elegant experiments, but also a bit artificial. I mean we don’t typically eat with balloons in our stomach. So, how about an experiment using actual food? They compared yogurts high in sugar/low in fat, versus high in fat/low in sugar. Eating the low-fat yogurt, there wasn’t as much difference in the nausea, pain, and bloating scores between those with dyspepsia and healthy subjects. But, give them the same amount of high-fat yogurt, and dyspepsia symptoms shot up almost immediately.

So: “One of our major findings was that the induction of gastrointestinal symptoms after the…test meals was ‘nutrient-specific.’ The consumption of a high-fat test meal was associated with a substantially greater increase in nausea and pain when compared to a high-carbohydrate meal” among those with dyspepsia, “with the [symptoms] scores increasing immediately after” eating.

This would suggest that sufferers not only reduce the amount of food they eat, which is the typical advice, but also try to keep the fat content down—a message echoed by a recent review of all such studies put together. “[C]urrent studies show that fatty foods are associated with occurrence of dyspeptic symptoms, and reduction of fat intake may [help] alleviate symptoms.”

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Doctor's Note

What about just popping a pill instead? In case you missed my previous video, check out Are Acid-Blocking Drugs Safe?

Prior to this video, I think all I had was Cayenne Pepper for Irritable Bowel Syndrome & Chronic Indigestion and Club Soda for Stomach Pain & Constipation. I’m so glad I was finally able to get this video out!

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  1. I am putting my dog on a water fast. Hadn’t tried it yet. He isn’t too happy, but I have been watching the science and getting him into autophagy before he reaches cachexia seems like a way to see if I can expose his Cancer to his immune system.

    I found a dog who got healed that way. He still wants to eat and hasn’t lost weight, buthe has gotten so fussy and I feel like we are in the last stretch.

    He is over 54 hours fasted so far. The one who got healed went 21 days.

    Dr Fung recommends 7.
    Dr Longo recommends mimicking fasting for 5 days.

    I say all of this because my dog is standing and looking at me.

    He does not like this.
    Neither do I.
    I know it is now or never because cachexia is too late.

    Anyway, dr Fung talked about fasting with fat and fasting with waters I guess a stomachs ache might be useful to the compliance with fasting process. Maybe.

      1. Tom,

        Not that I know of, but he could.

        Yes, I am aware that there are risks and I am also looking at dogs with Hemangiosarcoma who were healed.

        He is slowly declining and wants food, but doesn’t want 99% of the things I have tried.

        I suspect he will stop eating soon on his own.

        Right before this, for a few days, he would only eat dog biscuits. No vegetables or fruit or dog food, even meat dog food, canned, dry or logs, no raw meat. He wouldn’t eat things like the coconut oil or drink the heavy cream.

        After that, for a few days, he would only eat Vegan transition food. Morningstar Chickn patties. He loved them for 3 days and then wouldn’t eat them.

        After that, for a few days, I gave him Wendy’s double cheeseburgers and he wolfed them down and I had the thought, he is going to slowly get worse and, fasting is the one thing I never tried.

      2. The vet thought he would die 5 months ago and didn’t believe in dietary changes or anything and, yes, also doesn’t believe in fasting. His question is: Is it time to put him down. My answer is that he still seems fairly normal, but I am running out of things to try to feed him and he is slowing down. I feel like he could last another few weeks or a month, but I also feel like he is not eating things which will help him to live longer right now. And I mean, he isn’t doing WFPB or 90% fat. He is doing whole packages of Vegan patties one week, two Wendy’s double burgers the next.

          1. Dr. Fung explained the process KetoPet Sanctuary is doing, which saved a dog from Hemangiosarcoma as a “fat fast” versus a “water fast” but my dog will not do that at all.

            I did look up 100% meat ways of doing it, and there are whole communities who are 100% meat and it could help and if I go back to Wendy’s burgers, he won’t get the dairy or any bun. (He really, really, really liked the Wendy’s double burger diet, which is fascinating to me because he wouldn’t eat any of the beef or salmon or tuna or chicken or turkey or bison or lamb dog foods wet or dry or dehydrated or freeze-dried or logs or raw.) He chose Morningstar Chickn over all of those, but wolfed down the Wendy’s and looked around for more.

            1. Anyway, I think eating gives him an upset stomach.

              I also just am interested if water fasting will work.

              I do have multiple people around me who have cancer and I do understand that you can’t wait until they are starving to death to try it.

              1. Plus, each of the foods, which he didn’t eat cost me so much money and Wendy’s Double Burgers cost over $6 and he wants 2.

                1. Food aversion is becoming.a problem.

                  For 4 months, he ate vegan and particularly loved Tempeh and Sweet Potatoes.

                  He started refusing the Tempeh and Sweet Potatoes is when I started having problems

                  1. Deb, your dog might survive longer and maybe beat the cancer, but maybe not, it seems like the best thing you can do for your dog is to make him as comfortable as possible even if it didn’t mean stretching his lifespan for another month. The fast seems cruel to me though I know your intentions aren’t but that doesn’t take away his suffering. I wouldn’t feed him Wendy’s burgers though because well, they’re Wendy’s burgers… but I mean if that were the only thing an animal would eat and they were dying or something, then I could see why someone would go ahead and do that but I wouldn’t expect it to be helpful other than caloric intake. But why not just feed him healthy things that he enjoys and things that might help him with the cancer and try to treat him while first and foremost making sure he’s comfortable so that his last moments on earth in this time, are good or as comfortable and happy as possible. I think that is the best thing you can do for him and I think that’s our responsibility to the animals most of all. Sometimes it isn’t just about how long someone lives, quality is often more important especially when death is inevitable.

                    1. Thanks S.

                      If he would eat healthy things, I would give them.

                      He did eat healthy Vegan pretty much WFPB for the first 4 months.

                      Now, he likes dog biscuits, Vegan Transition food, but like hamburgers more.

                      For me, the fact that dogs have been healed from his type of Cancer doing the fasting is why to try it.

                      Dogs and humans who were stage 3 and 4 Cancer got rid of the tumors after 3 weeks of fasting and the question is whether to try it or put him down or to let the disease run the course.

                      Having read about more than one dog healed from Hemangiosarcoma using types of fasting is why I am trying it. It could reset his immune system and may make it recognize cancer is why I am doing it. The fact it often gets rid of infections is why I am doing it.

                      Though I am pondering what types of infections he might have because of this information that animals might need to use glucose metabolism for one type of infection and might need ketones for the other: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxDuTfrP2Q

                      Do you not believe that fasting could even possibly work, is that why you don’t think I should try it?

                      For me, he is still fairly normal, but I see he gets food aversion no matter what I feed him after about 3 days and he still asks to eat, but each food becomes something he loves for 3 or 4 days and then he won’t look at it and the doctors who promote fasting talked about that with their cancer patients.

                      What I am going to say is that I couldn’t live with myself if I don’t try it. Dogs have been healed from his type of Cancer with it. I don’t want skepticism to prevent me from trying things, which have worked. I don’t think he will live more than another month without something like fasting and he may die within the month even with fasting. The problem is that he isn’t lying in one spot on the floor looking miserable. He looks mostly like my dog, but he is developing more and more food aversion and I am running out of ideas.

                      At this point, it isn’t about buying a month, it is about the people whose dogs had the same type of Cancer talking about the Cancer going away after 21 days of water fasting and about the Keto Pet Sanctuary using a type of fat fasting to shrink 6 tumors or the type of Cancer, which he has.

                      I am out of ideas of what to feed him and I also want to see if water fasting works for me the way it did for other people. WFPB extended his life, but it is clear that the Cancer is still growing.

                      I listened to Dr. Goldhamer and Dr. Longo and do believe that they are seeing exciting things.

                      I think he will stop eating in a week or two on his own. I could wait until then and do the water fast then to see if it does work, but then, the pressure from every side will be to not try water fasting and just put him down.

                      If I had Cancer, I would try water fasting first, because it is the cheapest and then go to Gerson and Dr. Greger’s How Not to Die recipes. My friend is opposite of me and went straight to surgery as quick as possible.

                      It feels like most people aren’t willing to try things if they feel like it is too good to be true and I have such a special dog, but he is probably a few weeks from the end of his life and this is my last shot at it.

                      He won’t do CBD oil and he got off the Turkey Tail Mushrooms a month ago and won’t do juicing or superfoods or WFPB.

                      Fasting is the one thing he will do.

                2. I am watching him now and just about 3 days into fasting he is breathing better. There is a noticeable improvement.

                  He looks more comfortable. Maybe not having stomach issues?

                  He still comes out to the kitchen whenever I go out there, but he isn’t glaring at me and stopped asking for food.

                  I don’t know how long I will go with it, but I feel relief doing it. It is the last thing to try.

                  1. Deb, I rescued a stray female dog who had, as I soon discovered, mammary tumors. The vet and I agreed that we wouldn’t treat the tumors (it usually doesn’t help, and makes the dog miserable), and the vet estimated that she had two years to live. She lived for five. And most of those years were good years, though at the end, in the last year or so, she went into a gentle decline, and then started falling off the cliff. That’s when we knew it was time to help her with her fall. Medicine is a very inexact science.

                    And not eating is usually a sign of rapid decline. In people and dogs. I wish you both the best.

                    1. I agree, Dr. J. It’s the same as with humans.

                      “For instance, the first organ system to “close down” is the digestive system. There is really no need to keep processing food and nutrients if the body is not going to continue much further into the future. The patient, therefore, will begin to lose interest in food and will eventually stop eating and lose the sensation of being thirsty.”

                      https://guardianangelhospice.com/medical/the-last-few-days/

                      Everything in life/death turns out just the way it’s supposed to. Which is really amazing, if you really, really think about it.

                    2. Thank you, Dr. J.

                      Yes, I have been waiting for him to stop eating, but he is still communicating hunger every day.

                      But the food must upset his stomach and he seems to get an aversion to the specific foods.

                      Then, he asks for something else.

                      It has been so challenging, because just when I think I found something he loves, he starts to hate it. Like clockwork.

                    3. “It has been so challenging, because just when I think I found something he loves, he starts to hate it. Like clockwork.”

                      That sounds so similar to what my aunt recently went through with her dog who passed. He was old for his breed and had many things wrong with him. She would give him all kinds of different foods day to day and sometimes he would eat something and sometimes he would hate it and she’d have to try to get him to eat something else because he was still asking for food. But I’m not saying that to take away any hope. the situation does not sound the same in that you said your dog acts the same whereas at this point, her dog had had strokes, wasn’t walking the same, had hearing loss, etc. At that point it was just about making him comfortable because it was clear that it was his time… loved (and still do) that little guy.

                  2. Thanks for explaining your reasons Deb. Obviously you have done a lot of research on this and know a lot more than me about it, no questions there. My aversion was only to the thought of making an animal suffer potentially needlessly or pointlessly. It’s hard because it’s not as though we can ask them what they want to try and if they want to go through this or that… it freaking sucks. I can see why you would want to try something that might actually heal him, I just hate the idea of starvation and the suffering that goes along with it and I would fear him dying anyway and then his last moments not being made as comfortable as possible. But then on the other hand, if you have reason to believe that it will work and you’re just going to do anything to try to save his life I can understand that. I mean it sounds like you’re monitoring him and paying attention to whether he’s getting better or worse or the same and how much the fast is getting to him, so that’s good… it’s a very tough choice but at least you did you research and I am definitely hoping for success for him and you and will say a prayer for you guys.

                    1. Actually, Shaylen, starvation is not such a bad way to go. That’s how my father went about a week shy of his 80th birthday. He had Lou Gehrig’s disease & didn’t want the feeding tubes or the ventilator. He was happy to have his family around him & eventually went into a coma. I was there with him when he passed. I watched him take his last breath. It was pretty peaceful.

                      I’m sure when it’s Deb’s dog’s time, he’ll be happy to have her near him.

                    2. WFPB Nancy, but that’s different than if your father was asking for food and it was being held from him. That was him not wanting to eat, not him being starved. That would be a totally different scenario. Anyways, I’m glad to hear it was peaceful for him, it sounds like it. And I’m sure you’re right, Deb’s dog will be glad to have her near.

                    3. Too bad Dr. Greger’s fasting videos won’t be here before March (if memory serves). Deb, keep us updated! I hope it’s been going well.

      1. From earlier posts Deb explained the dog has a tumor the size of a football. If it were my dog, (I am dealing with a similar but not identical situation) I would feed him the meat and vegies he loves the most, and in smaller quantities – and love him up like crazy. That tumor will be putting pressure on his digestion system. Everyone has to answer to themselves in the end though.

        1. Yes, loving him up is what I agree with.

          Every time he sees me, he smiles and rolls over and asks to have his belly rubbed with his tail wagging.

          That is what I am looking at.

      2. He had eaten some of the anticancer vegetables for the first 3 months, but he started rejecting lentils and beans and oats early. For the first 3 months, he ate tons of sweet potatoes, but now he doesn’t like them. He also ate broccoli, carrots and cauliflower, and pineapple and watermelon and banana, but I tried to get him to lick a banana smoothie and he wouldn’t look at it at all.

        It has been 5 months and he is probably nearing the end.

        Like I said, there are humans and dogs who have been healed from Stage 4 Cancer with water fasting. It causes the viruses and fungi and other things in the body to be swept out and causes ketosis and autophagy and causes new stem cells and causes something to decrease, which exposes the Cancer to the immune system. That part is what Dr. Fung said could start to happen in 72 hours, but he recommends 7 days to make sure.

        The humans and animals who were healed completely did 3 weeks.

    1. Deb, I thought the rate of autophagy peaks at 12-16 hours into a fast, and then drops off after about 2 days. I thought longer fasts were considered more dangerous? But of course, everything I’ve read about it is on humans and not animals. Do the particulars change when dealing with animals?

          1. You know we weren’t. So don’t let that rain on our little hug fest!

            I hope the fasting works for your dog & your friend. Do keep us posted.

      1. Yes, longer fasts can be dangerous.

        I weigh that versus dying of Cancer.

        I feel like he has an infection again and he isn’t wanting to cooperate with pills, but is still walking around fairly normally and doesn’t seem to be in pain, except probably some sort of pain when he eats, which is what Dr. Longo talked about having trouble with. He said that Cancer patients get food aversion and he seems to get that. Honestly, he is hungry all the time, but feeding him the whole time has been so ridiculously hard for me to figure out.

        After the autophagy, the new stem cells are created. (Note: This is my nonscientific understanding of things.) Also the thing with the letter “T” which protects the Cancer gets out of the picture.

        They are saying that it cuts IGF-1, Methionine, Insulin and makes it harder for the Cancer to get insulin, but at the same time can strengthen and heal the immune system and can expose the Cancer to the immune system. Plus, the body starts using the viruses and fungi and things like that.

        1. I think it is lovely how much you care for dog. I have had some experience this year that may help. Please feel free to disregard if it is not useful to you.

          Ten years ago I had a thyroid growth biopsied that turned out to be a benign tumor. I haven’t been worried about it, especially since it has shrunk since I became vegan.

          However, earlier this year in an emergency room CT scan, they also found a complex cyst on my ovary. This type of growth is cancerous roughly 10% of the time, and I have a family history of ovarian cancer and several other risk factors. The only way to find out for sure is surgery, so they are monitoring it for now.

          In the meanwhile, I have been using my thyroid tumor, which I can measure by touch, to gauge how various elements I have been experimenting with reverse tumor growth. The results of these N=1 experiments have been surprising and counter-intuitive at times.

          These are the factors that caused my tumor to grow:

          Stress
          Infection
          Intermittent Fasting
          Cold Showers
          Cannabis essential oil
          Food flavoring additives

          The cannabis oil had the strongest negative effect by far. My tumor grew at least ten times larger in two days.

          These are factors that caused my tumor to shrink:

          Sleep
          Meditation
          Enjoyable physical activity like gardening and yoga
          A low fat entirely whole foods vegan diet focused on anti-angiogenesis
          Essential oils

          The two things that most surprised me were how fast my tumor would grow and shrink, and how specifically deleterious many of the anti-cancer trends proved to be in my case.

          There is a great deal of ambivalent or negative research about fasting published, for example. The problem with anecdotal data (including what I have written) is that we hear about the cases of people who healed and not the cases of people who died. It is an incomplete picture. Combine that with confirmation bias, and it becomes even more incomplete.

          Both my thyroid tumor and my complex cyst are almost gone now. The fastest positive effect I found was from using essential oils, and I discovered it by accident. I strained my neck muscle gardening, and I was applying anti-inflammatory oils one drop diluted every few hours for the pain. Within a day my thyroid tumor shrunk dramatically from the size of a large gumball to a lentil.

          Essential oils are highly concentrated phytochemicals with a decent amount of positive cancer research in vitro, but I still wasn’t expecting that result. That said, adulteration is rampant among essential oils, so it is important to only buy from a company that provides batch specific third party GC/MS testing. I used Eden’s Garden, but I am not connected financially to them in any way.

          It is also important to properly dilute and not use to many components at once, especially for dog safety. In my experience more is less effective.

          These are the essential oils that worked the fastest for me:
          Galangal
          Frankincense
          Myrrh
          Fir Basalm
          Patchouli
          Sweet Marjoram
          Turmeric

            1. Yes, my friends sell doTerra and I have looked up how to use it and have watched professional videos on it, but it hasn’t really worked so I don’t always use them.

          1. Melody, that is very useful to me.

            I have tried essential oils, but they haven’t seemed to help.

            I have tried Frankincense and Myrrh and Lavender. Haven’t tried the others.

            I also tried CBD Oil and he loved it for a few days, then rejected it. Won’t even look at it now.

            I have given him turmeric – the spice version – on and off – it can cause hemolytic anemia in dogs, so I don’t give it for long stretches.

            He was on an entirely anti-angiogenesis diet for the first 3 or 4 months, but he stopped wanting the vegetables, lentils, rice, beans, tempeh, oats, or fruits. He has a type of Cancer, where he shouldn’t have lived 2 weeks, so getting 5 months is already a help.

            He was on Turkey Tail Mushrooms and Maitake Pro4X and Nutritional Yeast and I think those did help his immune system and when he had infections during this time, Olive leaf extract and Oil of Oregano seemed to help, but he won’t take any supplements now and I have been letting him call the shots for the most part, except for this fast.

            I have a Micropulse ICES where I can generate an electric field, which makes it harder for Cancer to divide, but he moves around so much that I gave up on it. I didn’t want to attach it to him.

            I did try Modified Citrus Pectin and the science for that intrigued me, but he wouldn’t drink it in the water, he would only take it in pill form and right around the CBD Oil, he started refusing pills.

            The science behind Intermittent fasting goes back and forth. Some studies, it helped with blood sugar, some studies it caused Diabetes. Mimicking Fasting is the newest fasting they are talking about, but Water fasting is the one, which resets the immune system, and exposes the Cancer to the immune system. That is why I chose it.

            I am watching his visible tumors and they haven’t grown. You will make me watch them more carefully.

            He looks really good right now, during this fast. Peaceful. He had developed the bronchitis symptoms again and they seem to be mostly gone and that was what I was hoping for.

    2. There are veterinary comment boards on the internet that would be more appropriate to comment about animal health questions on. This is a doctors website that went to school for human health.

      1. Sorry, Reality Bites, I know that things like that upset you. Do you have anything human you would like to talk about or do you just read the comments?

        1. I am actually looking at fasting for human beings because my Keto friend has Cancer, too.

          Not sure that she could do it and today is her surgery.

          1. LOL yes YR, i nearly fell off my chair reading that. At any rate, Deb has gone through quite a transformation herself, brought untold numbers to the doorstep of this website, performed nothing short of a miracle in prolonging the life and joy of her dog, and we care about it all.

            1. Barb,

              That is such a sweet thing to say. I am humbled by it. You are really a nice person.

              My sweet dog is this happy, loyal, kind being. Tonight, he just rested on his double-decker bed while I waited for Trick or Treaters. Only got one family and I gave them almost all of my candy. Starbucks workers get the rest tomorrow.

              1. YR and Nancy,

                You both are pretty funny yourselves.

                You keep the place hopping.

                That being said, YR, If Ron shows back up, could you please be nice to him?

                I like your sense of humor, but you can be a little fierce when someone is down.

                1. Apologies if I’m truly “fierce when someone is down.” (Not sure what you mean by “down,” though.) I’ll blame it on my Sagittarius rising. We often say it as we see it…..unfortunately. :-)

                  I still think ron was looking for an excuse to leave the site. Remember, he also lashed out at Dr. G. for “cherry-picking” and etc. If he does return, it would have to be with his tail between his legs. So to speak. :-)

                  1. Yes, I have two sisters-in-law who say it as they see it and my cousins are married to women who also say it as they see it and we ended up having permanent situations where none of their families can ever interact with each other probably ever again.

                    I was interacting with 3 of my friends and they all have the same thing in their families.

                    I can’t blame modern culture because I spoke to a mother of one friend and a grandmother of another friend and both of them never spoke to their brothers again, so it just is what it is.

                    One of them said that she and her brother lived next to each other and they didn’t even say, “hello” to each other for 50 years and her brother died without it resolving. Both are dead now. The other one had her family fracture into pieces after the parents died. The same thing. They never spoke again and one died. Her children are doing it right now and the siblings have blackballed one sibling, then another. A few to go to have it be none of them interacting.

                    My best friend’s and her sister are well on their way to having that same situation.

                    I am closer to Switzerland and interact with all of them, but it is challenging because people think that I am on one side or the other, when really I am on the “side” of having family and friends if possible.

      2. Reality bites, youtube would be a more appropriate place for your constant trolling. Let it go… why are you so obsessed with unofficial message board moderating? It’s weird that you’d care so much. Don’t like it, don’t read it! Geez…

        1. On the other hand, maybe Reality — in his/her own cantankerous way — was suggesting that Deb might get ADDITIONAL info at one of the vet forums.

          1. I am not upset with Reality Bites for saying it.

            He or she likes it when people talk nutrition and I don’t differentiate between pet nutrition and human nutrition partly because I am researching things for both humans and pets.

            1. “and I don’t differentiate between pet nutrition and human nutrition partly because I am researching things for both humans and pets.”

              Nor should you, Deb. It’s about health for sentient beings and they all deserve it.

          2. YR,

            I haven’t found even one vet who talks about dog nutrition, except from Keto 90% fat. I found people who healed their dogs with Vegan, but no vets at all point in that direction. They also don’t point to fasting, though I have found dogs who were healed by fasting.

            My dog’s vet told me to feed him hamburgers and love on him. That is how I ended up going to Wendy’s. I never was good at knowing how to know when hamburgers are cooked properly because I have been allergic to meat for so long.

            Anyway, I can only find any of the information from human sites.

            This one on fasting was cool because, according to this guy, the superfoods increase autophagy. It comes 20-something minutes in, but he starts mentioning sulforaphane and medicinal mushrooms and other things as ways to get “fasting effects” without fasting. If he would eat them, I would go that way, but he won’t and he looks so content right now doing this water fast that I am hopeful that he will do okay and I am going to keep it going as long as I can but only up to 21 days. Not longer than that. A woman was healed of Cancer in 18 days, so even if he makes it 2 weeks, it might do something.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88COMmlA8uo

            True North said that it resets what food tastes like so, by the end, he might be able to do carrot juice or go back to sweet potatoes or broccoli and cauliflower as a way to extend the autophagy for 3 or 4 weeks.

            I am likely to be the one who “faints” about it.

            I hate doing this to him. I am so glad that he is being so nice to me.

  2. Amla here costs me 0.34 per day for 1 tsp/day . Mixed with tumeric it can cause stomach upset, but using after meals is ok. The low/no fat connection to upset stomach and acid reflux is right on. I think many people suffer needlessly by eating out at restaurants. I found the only way to ensure no oil is to eat food I myself prepare. Also, years ago I heard an Adventist dietition speak about how we eat too much in general. She said that amount comparable to the size of one’s fist, up to 1.5 times that amount would leave people feeling more comfortable. I have eaten that way since.

  3. What if you have been eating a low fat and almost oil free whole food plant based diet for several months and still seem to have excess belching and gas with just a tiny bit of indegestion? Just keep waiting and hoping for it to dissipate?

    1. I would recommend water only fasting at rest for at least a week to rest the digestive system and let the body self heal and self clean it completely but people should learn about it first~

    2. Have you taken any prescription or OTC drugs in the past 6 years? If so, that could be causing your problem. Drugs can mess up your digestion for many years.

      PPIs like Nexium or Prilosec cause withdrawal that generally lasts from 6 to 24 months. It’s a rebound reaction that exacerbates the original problem.

      Psychiatric medications can cause long-term digestive dysfunction, including severe dyspepsia and blood sugar dysregulation. This typically lasts 6 months to 6 years after quitting the medication.

      There are other types of Rx drugs, OTC remedies, and supplements that cause similar problems over time. Antihistamines are another class that cause problems even after you quit them. Coffee and any kind of tea will wreak absolute havoc on a sensitive stomach.

      In my experience the only things that help are time and a low-fat, whole food, plant based diet. But it has to be more like McDougall than Greger. Dr. Greger recommends a lot of foods that are disruptive to sensitive digestive tracts, like hibiscus tea and fatty foods like nuts, seeds, avocados, soy products, etc.

      It can take years to heal if you’re a survivor of conventional medicine. Be patient.

    3. Hi I’m a RN health support volunteer. Great job on eating healthy for the last few months. Keep it up. It can take time for the gut flora to adjust to a dietary change. Dr. Greger has covered some of this with his information on beans:
      https://nutritionfacts.org/2011/12/05/beans-and-gas-clearing-the-air/

      With gas and bloating, I have recommended peppermint herbal tea to some of my patients who have issues with that and they’ve found it helpful. You can sip it all day. It’s caffeine free and has healthy antioxidants.
      With indigestion, some of my patients have had some luck with ginger herbal tea. That might help manage the symptoms until the gut flora adjusts.

      All the best,
      NurseKelly

  4. Hi !
    I’ve been vegan for 3 years and it’s been very difficult. As soon as I went vegan my body got out of whack and I ended up going to the hospital the next day because I thought I was having a heart attack .
    Massive bloating , acid reflux , TMJ , numb feet and fingers , foot fungus , trouble breathing .
    I’m bloated pretty much all day , have been to the doctors 200 times in the past 3 years and they’ve run all kinds of tests my vitamin levels come back good but on the low side , close to anemia periodically, blood pressure good , heart seems good .
    Tests have been –
    MRI to head for headaches
    Hormones
    Vitamins
    Iron
    Chest x Ray
    Ultrasound
    ECG and cardio test
    Lung test
    H pylori

    I have too much belly fat and it makes it hard to breath with my stomach when you also factor in the bloating .
    I’ve tried everything.
    Too much acid – baking Soda , tums , gaviscon , Prevacid , pepto Bismal , no coffee or tea , no tomatoes .
    Too low acid –
    Apple cider vinegar , lemon juice , HCL tablets .
    Digestive issues – papaya , digestive enzymes, DGL , sauerkraut, cabbage juice , aloe , charcoal, diatamatious earth , castor oil .
    I eat 90% whole food like –
    Napa cabbage , tomatoes , onion , garlic, green pepper , lettuce , cucumber, carrots , pumpkin and every kind of nut .
    And some processed things like –
    pastas , rice noodles , soy sauce , vegan mayo , breads , sandwich slices , soups , miso , kombucha , soy milk , almond milk, pot stickers , rice , tofu .
    I avoid chocolate and acidic fruits because they scare me for upsetting my stomach .
    I eat minimal fruit like watermelon, blueberries, bananas, and raspberries.

    I’ve paid all kinds of nutritionists online for help , bought thousands in supplements, ordered tests from other countries, had Skype consults with doctors .
    And I’m still bloated as soon as I eat and have difficulty breathing.

    I’m in a small town of 5 doctors and they think I need more animal breastmilk because my stomach was better as a vegetarian so I should go back to that or take the PPIs .
    Please help

      1. Fasting while in withdrawal from Rx or OTC drugs is a disaster. I don’t know why but some doctors claim that fat soluble pharmaceuticals get released during ketosis and exacerbate existing problems like digestive issues.

        I was told by a doctor that the body sequesters dangerous substances like drugs in body fat and breaks them down slowly over time to avoid system shock. If you fast, you’re releasing these harmful compounds into the body prematurely, which can make you even sicker because you are accelerating what should be a slow healing process. At least that’s how it was explained to me by a physician famous for weening patients off psych meds. I have no idea if he is correct.

        For me personally, though, fasting made me significantly worse. My digestive troubles would be unbearable during and for weeks following the fast. I did everywhere from 24 hours to 5 days and I would get so sick after fasting that I could barely get out of bed for weeks at a time. It wasn’t until I quit fasting entirely that I finally started to get better. I haven’t fasted in years and am wary of it to this day.

        Of course this may only apply if your digestive issues are caused by current or past Rx or OTC drug use, or supplement use. Pay very close attention to your body and if fasting makes you feel worse over time, which it did for me, then it’s probably best to stop.

    1. Read my reply above. I had the exact same problems as you after taking antihistamines, PPIs, and psych meds for over 20 years. After I quit all the RX and OTC drugs and supplements I developed every problem you mentioned above, including the difficulty breathing due to bloating. Actually I had a lot more problems than just those but I’m trying to be brief. I went to the ER dozens of times over the years and saw no fewer than 20 specialists. Then I found some people online who had gone through what I was going through and finally figured out that doctors were my problem.

      In my experience taking drugs or supplements to fix your problem will just make it worse, so every time you try a new remedy you are resetting the clock to zero.

      I doubt that your vegan diet has anything to do with the problems you describe above. To me it sounds like the effects of prescription or OTC drug use or supplement use, whether past or present. Some people develop these persistent digestive problems after very brief Rx or OTC drug use, sometimes as short as a week. It’s scary to realize how powerful pharmaceuticals are.

      As I said above, it can take years for these problems to go away, so you have to be patient. In the meantime, a plant based diet is your best bet. At first I tried a Paleo diet on the advice of a physician and I felt like I was dying. And maybe I was. Then I went back to omnivory. No big change. Then I switched to vegan. It helped. Then I did the Greger Diet aka the Daily Dozen, which helped a little more. And then I did the low fat McDougall diet, which in my experience is the absolute best for the chronic digestive issues you describe.

    2. By the way excessive belly fat is the body’s natural defense against stress hormones. Dr. Greger even talks about it in a video here on this site.

      Drugs and some supplements cause a massive stress response in the body, which reacts by producing more belly fat. This just adds to the digestive and breathing issues. And believe me I know what it’s like to have difficulty breathing. I still have nightmares of the times I went rushing to the ER at 3am because I felt like I was suffocating. My oxygen saturation would dip precipitously, too, so it wasn’t all in my head. I was in my 20s at the time and was not overweight. I just had some excess belly fat and bloating.

      To me it sounds like you’ve taken benzos in the past. What you’re describing is classic “benzo belly” which takes years to disappear after you quit the drugs. It will often interfere with breathing. It can also be caused by certain antihistamines and psych meds. There are some supplements that cause it too but they are typically illegal in North America. This condition typically takes months or years to resolve.

      I wish I had a better answer for you, but the sad truth is that it just takes time. Regardless of the original cause, waiting and eating a McDougall diet are the best things I can think of. The diet won’t cure your condition, but it will make you less uncomfortable than other diets. And as I’ve said, drugs and supplements will probably make everything much worse and reset the healing clock to zero every time you try something new.

      Cutting out fats like nuts, seeds, avocados and soy made a huge difference for me. Also avoiding all drugs and all supplements except B12 made it all more bearable. It wasn’t perfect and didn’t cure me right away but it made me feel a lot better than anything else

    3. Oh one more thing. I would avoid artificial and natural flavorings and colorings as well as natural and artificial sweeteners of all kinds. For whatever reason even tiny amounts would make my bloating and pain so much worse. All it took was a trace amount to make me even sicker for days or weeks.

      For a while I ate almost nothing but sweet potatoes and broccoli and that’s when I felt the best.

    4. This sounds like me. I finally found a Naturopath who suggested I take the SIBO (Small Intestine Bacteria Overgrowth) breath test. It was expensive (~$150) but I was desperate for answers. And wouldn’t you know it – I have SIBO. I have since done more research on this and it makes so much sense. I am now following a FODMAP food protocol and along with natural remedies prescribed by my ND, 7 weeks later and I am feeling soooo much better. This may be worth your time based on what you’ve described.

  5. This is a lot of wonderful information from those who have faced the struggle and are coming through the other side. Thank you all so very much.

    Regarding nuts, oils, seeds and avacados, Pam Popper reminds us, fat is fat.

    My 10 day hospital stay came just after my first week of healthy eating. Rather than giving up, I got more serious.

    Thankfully, I’ve always avoided taking drugs for my ailments because of the terrible side effects I’ve witnessed in the generation of my family that took a pill for everything.
    However, some of the tests I’ve had in the past revealed I have a recurring fixed drug reaction. I wonder, could we suffer from ailments caused by the drugs given to the animals we ate before we knew better?

    Water fasting, here I come. ;o)

  6. Did I miss something. Most people I know are taking nexium, and Pepsid because the reduce acid stomach and heartburn. Was this discussed and I missed it. I thought I read a comment from Dr. G that tagement and pepsid were not like a ppi’s. Where is the heartburn video? Is it still coming?

    1. David, I went back to check, and Dr Greger said that the H2 Blockers will be in video series of their own ie some time in the future. We are about halfway through the current DVD which addresses many topics. It’s unfortunate that so many suffer with a condition that is largely preventable.

    1. Tom,

      I looked up the broken wrist study for the Adventists 2 where they were saying that the vegan women weren’t eating enough protein and I think 57% of them were eating meat analogs 4 times per week and 25% of them were eating it more than that. They talked about Sodium in it.

      I am trying to evaluate whether that is the most likely factor that the Vegan women died even before Lacto Ovo and ruined the study for Vegans.

      1. My mind isn’t strong enough for studies yet, but it is the vegan women who died faster.

        It is between that and the fish eaters were much higher portion black. I don’t know how to find a study on blacks versus whites because there is such an economic and social disparity that studies will be so confounded unless I find out which country their ancestors are from.

        I am just trying to understand that fish hurt women’s endothelials, but it was the women vegans dying sooner even than the lacto ovo.

        1. I think the final results were foiled by processed, sodium-filled transition foods, which some of us eat more than 4 days per week for lunch.

  7. Any time I EVER get indigestion again (used to be chronic) is when I have my “cheats” (which are part of my plan-if desired, not required).

    Becoming dependent on PPI’s is exactly WHY I began research (again) as how to better feed myself. I learned, and NF.O was a big part of it. Cheers Y’all.

    So sad to watch a nation eat itself into the nursing homes, but no one listens to me.

  8. There’s alot of talk about water fasts on here. For what it’s worth, I have done two at the True North clinic in the past (before it had that name). I did a one week fast which was educational and interesting. I later was trying to naturally resolve a problematic and painful gallbladder situation, so I consulted with the team there. I did a three week water fast there. Unfortunately it did not help and in fact made my condition far worse and had other negative impacts on my body. (I later resolved that condition pretty much completely, without pain, with WFPB diet and acupuncture.) Happy to elaborate on my experiences if it would be helpful, but in retrospect, I would choose juice/smoothie type partial fasts over water fasts for anything. I don’t see the science is there for that yet, and while I admire the team’s passion, I don’t think there’s any data showing it is a cure all and have experienced some first hand negative impacts. .

      1. NZone,

        If I could have made my dog do Gerson, I would have started there.

        He will do water fasting and he hated it the first 2 days, but he is adapting. He still goes into the kitchen quite often, but he has Hemangiosarcoma and one of the tumors is quite visible in his breast area now, so I will get to see if it shrinks or not.

        It still is me leaving, which upsets him the most. Not getting food is second. Food aversion is third. He won’t look at food after gobbling it down for 3 or 4 days as if he loves it. Then, he hates it. I don’t see him getting uncomfortable other than that. The day I brought him into the vet, he collapsed and was so uncomfortable that he wouldn’t eat or drink or greet me and didn’t respond to affection, but he rebounded close to 90% and hasn’t shown weakness in his limbs or the type of pain or discomfort he did that day. Just food aversion, but there are visible tumors.

      2. Hi Deb,

        First of all so sorry about your pup. I’ve been there too, with two amazing big dogs. Heartbreaking stuff…they don’t live long enough.

        I am out of date with my knowledge on fasting as it sounds like there is some new actual research. Just from my experience however, I don’t recommend long water fasts. Short ones are probably fine as I had no problem with the first one I did which was 7 days.

        For the 3 week fast, I was only 28 at the time, but it took about a year to get back to any level of fitness because I pretty much lost ALL my muscle mass along with any excess fat. I looked like a war survivor. No one ever warned me about how extreme it would be. Maybe for the obese, it would be fine, but if I ever was faced with an issue I would just do smoothies/juicing/raw etc. It’s my fault entirely as nobody forced me to do it, but I just like to warn people that it’s far from a magical healing process and the people pushing it are pretty zealous about it. Ironically, after that I did successfully control the problem (which was dramatically advanced with fasting) with a vegan diet and acupuncture, far less aggressive of an approach. Lesson learned, for me.

        But I know you are dealing with your dog. Sounds like you’ve tried a lot, but had good luck pureeing stuff in a small food processor: making a pesto of olive oil and spinach, broccoli, etc. was something they loved. Then separately I would also blend up silken tofu with raw garlic then I would throw in a piece of deli ham and they loved that. Then I also used to do juicing with carrot/apple/celery/spinach and I would drink the juice but then I would give my dogs the leftover veggies and they absolutely loved that too. Just to try to get the veggies in them.

        Then again at the very end I was in the drive through too, or at the deli counter. I actually discovered that the (scary) packaged hot dogs were a hit when they didn’t want to eat anything else, and it was far easier and less expensive.

        Not sure if any of that helps, as it appears you’ve been far more in depth in your research.

  9. Oops, it is 21 weeks.

    Also, I hijacked the whole page, Reality Bites!

    Sorry!

    If this was a play, it would be off, off, off, off, off Broadway.

  10. Another night of fasting and his breathing symptoms really are getting so much better.

    I am impressed by that.

    Usually, when he rolls over to have me pet his stomach, he suddenly has a wet sounding breath, but last night and this morning, he didn’t have any at all. I haven’t looked at the tumor on his Breast yet to see if it has shrunk, but the lung sounds are gone again and I didn’t give him antibiotics.

    1. Mercola? No way. Be very wary of ANYONE hawking their own supplements. It’s an extreme conflict of interest. Notice how Dr. G doesn’t sell any supplements? He could and make a fortune but he realizes that would compromise his integrity, so he doesn’t. Stick with those that are unbiased and only concerned with your good health, like Dr. Greger, Dr. Barnard, Dr. Esselstyn and Dr. McDougall.

      Dr. Ben

  11. Fasting works because it starves the highly metabolic cancer cells and frees up our bodies enzymes which dissolve the cancers. This was studied by Dr’s Beard, Kelly and Nicholas Gonzales ,md….spelling isn’t right, sorry. It’s important to detox the body while doing this starvation of cancer. You can speed up the process and make it work better with proteolytic enzymes supplementation like vitazym or Wobenzyme N supplements. There is an enzyme supplement for dogs with probiotics in it called Tummyworks. You can also add ground up apricot kernels which contain a cancer killing compound without harming normal cells.

  12. This video on dyspepsia does not discuss the role of the gallbladder in helping to break down fat. If the gallbladder is not functioning and producing enough bile (or is blocked), then fats aren’t broken down properly.

  13. Anyone know what the safe maximum dose of Amla powder might be (taken in one dose before sleep)? I checked various sources but it come up “not known” each time. I’m trying to discover in my case if it really does do better than 20mg Famotidine so that I can cut it out. Thanks in advance.

  14. One teaspoon (5g) of amla powder/day contains the antioxidant effects. Don’t take more than one tablespoon (15g)/day. It could lower blood pressure and blood sugar. -Dr Anderson, Health Support Volunteer

    1. Thanks so much for your prompt reply Dr Anderson. I did not know that about effect on blood pressure. I don’t know if you read any of my previous posts but I’m trying to reduce the corrosive chemical “mists” rising from my stomach (only when I sleep) that are causing palet ulcers that nothing resolves and is making eating anything difficult and painful – and is very concerning as my GP, ENT and gastroenterologist are at a loss as to how to resolve this. I also have bee unable to find an experienced Chinese herbalist here in Utah as someone else on this forum suggested. For some reason nothing comes up on Google for me! Thank you once again.

    2. Yet the study Dr Greger referred to involved 3 teaspoons (one tablespoon) a day. And a herbalist I asked also said up to one tablespoon as day. I also consulted a physician who treats using natural healing and he said it would be ok to go slowly above one tablespoon, perhaps in 1/4 teaspoon increases. That’s why I posted my questions – I still felt unsure. Any further thoughts considering this?

  15. Hello Gabija!

    The normal pH of the human stomach ranges from 1 to 3, and usually sits rigth around 2. However, if you’ve eaten recently, the pH increases by a point or two to roughly 4 – 5.

    1. Janets, I haven’t eaten since 7:00pm last night and that was a small bowl of soup (clear broth and mushrooms) and a small fresh mixed veggie salad with lime juice for dressing. I woke with indigestion and it is now 10am and I still have indigestion.

      This is my 4th day of breaking a 7 day fast in an attempt to get rid of this indigestion I’ve had for almost 2 months while eating a clean whole food plant based diet as closely as possible. Also tried apple cider vinegar and lemon juice with no change. Any ideas?

  16. I’ve been suffering from feelings of fullness, discomfort, nausea, bloating and belching on and off for about 5 years. I’m a lean and slighly muscular 5′ 11″, 168lbs and always considered myself healthy and fit. I’ve tried almost everything to alleivate my symptoms including an elimination diet removing all FODMAPS as reccommended by someone whose name I can’t remember. Didn’t work. In only 48 hours of following advice from Dr. Greger on this site, I already feel significantly better! I seriously can’t believe it. I’m a believer. THANK YOU.

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