Fever Benefits for Autism in a Food

Fever Benefits for Autism in a Food
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Dramatic improvements in autistic children when they get a fever suggests that the disease may be reversible if one can replicate the phenomenon in other ways.

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Autism currently affects about one of 68 kids in the United States, yet we don’t even have drugs to treat the core symptoms—forget the underlying disease itself. I mean, we can treat some symptoms, just not the core symptoms of the disorder. Sure, if you’re aggressive, we can give you antipsychotic drugs—stimulants like Ritalin for ADHD—or, we can knock you out to help you sleep. But, for “social and communication” improvements—”the main signs and symptoms” of autism—we have little to offer, and the disease appears to be on the rise. What can we do about it?

Well, decades ago, a clue was published that offered a ray of hope. When autistic kids get a fever, “they invariably display dramatically more normal [behavior], including a greater desire or ability to communicate.” They can become less withdrawn, more alert, more talkative, more communicative. All hospital staff members working with autistic children “noted [the] marked behavioral [improvements].” But, as soon as the fever stopped, they went back to their baseline. So, you think, wow, if we could figure out what’s going on, maybe we could develop some sort of treatment. Yeah, but wait a second. Let’s take a step back, and realize what this could mean. 

What makes this so groundbreaking, so earth-shattering, is that this challenges the whole presumption that autism is some kind of static, irreversible brain disease, where the brain is just inexorably damaged in some way, with no hope of recovery. But, the fever glimpses suggest no, it may be more of a dynamic brain disease, where the normal healthy circuits are in there somewhere, but being actively suppressed, and the fever somehow lifts that suppression, relieves the active disease process—suggesting if we could figure out what’s going on, we could theoretically relieve it not just for days, but for forever.

So, you’d think that would be what’s on every autism researcher’s mind. But unbelievably, “there is practically no mention of the high fever/improved behavior phenomenon in the entire autism [medical] literature,” even though nearly everybody “knowledgeable” about the disease—”both parent and professional” alike, who deals with it day to day—evidently knows about it. In fact, the first—and only—Nobel prize in medicine ever given to a psychiatrist for brain ailments went to the so-called “father of fever therapy,” where he would inject malaria into people, and some got better, if they didn’t die first from the malaria, that is. What is it about fever that can improve brain function? If we could figure that out, maybe there’s a way we can do it without killing people.

Okay, but first, let’s confirm the phenomenon is real. Yes, the rapid behavioral changes reported during fever in autism suggest that those neural networks in autism may still be intact, just dysfunctional, and “understanding the reasons for improvement during fever might provide insight” into what’s going on.

But, this whole fever effect in autism was “based on case reports and anecdotes,” until…this study. “Given the potential implications…for treatment opportunities, [they] undertook a formal study of [the reported phenomenon].” And indeed, autistic children got better when they got a fever, officially documenting the phenomenon as real. Okay, so, full-steam ahead; let’s figure it out.

Who cares how it works, though? I mean, I know you can’t give kids malaria, but why not just take them to a sauna or hot tub, or something? Because it doesn’t work. When you sit in a sauna or hot tub, your skin gets hotter, but your brain pretty much stays the same temperature. It’s got special cooling mechanisms. So, no matter what temperature it is outside, your brain stays pretty much the same temperature inside. That’s a good thing; that way, you can bite into a snow cone without literally getting brain freeze.  But, when you get a fever, your internal thermostat gets turned up to fight infection, and there is actually an increase in brain tissue temperature.

Now, your brain has to be careful not to cook itself to death; so, it releases heat shock proteins. As your brain turns up the heat to give you a fever, it releases heat shock proteins to prevent and repair protein damage. At higher temperatures, proteins can start unraveling—what’s called protein denaturing. That’s what happens when you cook egg whites; the proteins denature. That’s not what you want happening in your head. Okay, but what does this have to do with autism?

Well, one of the causes of autism “may be the dysregulation of…[synaptic] function”—meaning a “dysregulation of [the nerve-to-nerve] signalling pathways” in the brain may play a key role in the cause of autism spectrum disorders. Well, guess what those heat shock proteins do? They protect and sustain synaptic function. Okay. So now, the question becomes: is there any way to activate the heat shock response without having to get some high-fever infection?

Well, as you can imagine, “[t]here is now strong interest [among drug companies in] discovering and developing pharmacological agents capable of inducing the heat shock response.” But, broccoli beat them to it. Sulforaphane, the active ingredient in cruciferous vegetables—cabbage family vegetables like broccoli, kale, and collard greens—activates the heat shock response; no malaria necessary. So, in theory, giving those with autism sulforaphane in the form of broccoli, or broccoli sprouts, might reap the same kind of fever-related benefits in function.

At this point, you’d expect me to make some crack about Big Broccoli, and how such a study would never get funded, and you’d be right…until now. See, there are family foundations out there, non-profit foundations that just want to see people with autism get better, whether or not corporate stock prices get better, too. We’ll find out what happened, next.

Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

Autism currently affects about one of 68 kids in the United States, yet we don’t even have drugs to treat the core symptoms—forget the underlying disease itself. I mean, we can treat some symptoms, just not the core symptoms of the disorder. Sure, if you’re aggressive, we can give you antipsychotic drugs—stimulants like Ritalin for ADHD—or, we can knock you out to help you sleep. But, for “social and communication” improvements—”the main signs and symptoms” of autism—we have little to offer, and the disease appears to be on the rise. What can we do about it?

Well, decades ago, a clue was published that offered a ray of hope. When autistic kids get a fever, “they invariably display dramatically more normal [behavior], including a greater desire or ability to communicate.” They can become less withdrawn, more alert, more talkative, more communicative. All hospital staff members working with autistic children “noted [the] marked behavioral [improvements].” But, as soon as the fever stopped, they went back to their baseline. So, you think, wow, if we could figure out what’s going on, maybe we could develop some sort of treatment. Yeah, but wait a second. Let’s take a step back, and realize what this could mean. 

What makes this so groundbreaking, so earth-shattering, is that this challenges the whole presumption that autism is some kind of static, irreversible brain disease, where the brain is just inexorably damaged in some way, with no hope of recovery. But, the fever glimpses suggest no, it may be more of a dynamic brain disease, where the normal healthy circuits are in there somewhere, but being actively suppressed, and the fever somehow lifts that suppression, relieves the active disease process—suggesting if we could figure out what’s going on, we could theoretically relieve it not just for days, but for forever.

So, you’d think that would be what’s on every autism researcher’s mind. But unbelievably, “there is practically no mention of the high fever/improved behavior phenomenon in the entire autism [medical] literature,” even though nearly everybody “knowledgeable” about the disease—”both parent and professional” alike, who deals with it day to day—evidently knows about it. In fact, the first—and only—Nobel prize in medicine ever given to a psychiatrist for brain ailments went to the so-called “father of fever therapy,” where he would inject malaria into people, and some got better, if they didn’t die first from the malaria, that is. What is it about fever that can improve brain function? If we could figure that out, maybe there’s a way we can do it without killing people.

Okay, but first, let’s confirm the phenomenon is real. Yes, the rapid behavioral changes reported during fever in autism suggest that those neural networks in autism may still be intact, just dysfunctional, and “understanding the reasons for improvement during fever might provide insight” into what’s going on.

But, this whole fever effect in autism was “based on case reports and anecdotes,” until…this study. “Given the potential implications…for treatment opportunities, [they] undertook a formal study of [the reported phenomenon].” And indeed, autistic children got better when they got a fever, officially documenting the phenomenon as real. Okay, so, full-steam ahead; let’s figure it out.

Who cares how it works, though? I mean, I know you can’t give kids malaria, but why not just take them to a sauna or hot tub, or something? Because it doesn’t work. When you sit in a sauna or hot tub, your skin gets hotter, but your brain pretty much stays the same temperature. It’s got special cooling mechanisms. So, no matter what temperature it is outside, your brain stays pretty much the same temperature inside. That’s a good thing; that way, you can bite into a snow cone without literally getting brain freeze.  But, when you get a fever, your internal thermostat gets turned up to fight infection, and there is actually an increase in brain tissue temperature.

Now, your brain has to be careful not to cook itself to death; so, it releases heat shock proteins. As your brain turns up the heat to give you a fever, it releases heat shock proteins to prevent and repair protein damage. At higher temperatures, proteins can start unraveling—what’s called protein denaturing. That’s what happens when you cook egg whites; the proteins denature. That’s not what you want happening in your head. Okay, but what does this have to do with autism?

Well, one of the causes of autism “may be the dysregulation of…[synaptic] function”—meaning a “dysregulation of [the nerve-to-nerve] signalling pathways” in the brain may play a key role in the cause of autism spectrum disorders. Well, guess what those heat shock proteins do? They protect and sustain synaptic function. Okay. So now, the question becomes: is there any way to activate the heat shock response without having to get some high-fever infection?

Well, as you can imagine, “[t]here is now strong interest [among drug companies in] discovering and developing pharmacological agents capable of inducing the heat shock response.” But, broccoli beat them to it. Sulforaphane, the active ingredient in cruciferous vegetables—cabbage family vegetables like broccoli, kale, and collard greens—activates the heat shock response; no malaria necessary. So, in theory, giving those with autism sulforaphane in the form of broccoli, or broccoli sprouts, might reap the same kind of fever-related benefits in function.

At this point, you’d expect me to make some crack about Big Broccoli, and how such a study would never get funded, and you’d be right…until now. See, there are family foundations out there, non-profit foundations that just want to see people with autism get better, whether or not corporate stock prices get better, too. We’ll find out what happened, next.

Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.

Icons created by Laymik, Juan Pablo Bravo, Roman, and Adrien Coquet from The Noun Project.

Image credit: Kristina DeMuth. Image has been modified.

Motion graphics by Avocado Video

Doctor's Note

This is the first of a three-video series on autism and food. Stay tuned for Fighting Autism Brain Inflammation with Food and Best Foods for Autism.

I think the only other video in which I touch on autism is Cow’s Milk Casomorphin & Autism, but due to frequent requests for videos on the subject, I have this series and more coming up. If there are any other topics—whether disease conditions, foods, or supplements—you’d like me to cover, please let us know!

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  1. Is there an elephant in the room here????? Being a health care provider in the area of speech-language pathology for 40 years, and working, too, in a government funded autism study back in the late 70’s, the onset of symptoms in ALL(did we get this??!!!) my years taking patient histories, began after vaccinations, especially the 15 month MMR. .ALL, too, said their children were NORMAL until then, hitting & exceeding in many cases their age progress markers. This was backed up by the recent film VAXXED, which I viewed on youtube. Just this past week 2 studies from France & Canada confirmed this.. Hope all the whole food plant based doctors start addressing this!!!! The only CURE, yes CURE out there, is a radical diet change, which is of course totally debunked by BIG PHARMA, & mainstream docs.Hope Dr. G has the strength to address this!!!! Many children could be saved, even by just delaying their vax until they are older.




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    1. What accounts for the rapid increase in autism rates? In the 1970’s one out of every 2,000 children had autism, while now it’s 1 out of 60. Children growing up in the 1970’s received a total of 13 vaccines, while children today receive 36 shots by the time they are 6 years old. https://thetruthaboutvaccines.com/vaccine-schedule/

      I assume that other toxins in the environment play a role as well and since sulforaphane improves the liver’s ability to detox, this may be another mechanism for its effectiveness in autism. https://nutritionfacts.org/2012/04/12/the-best-detox/




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      1. I’d think that the fortification of grains with vitamins (yes, these are in fact synthetic), has
        possibly been detrimental, in this regard, as well. Yes, vitamin pills do have a positive/saving
        effect for some, but there are pros and cons, and everyday synthetic vitamins getting
        fed to a human, via fortified grains or supplements, seems to damn unnatural and sort like
        a steroid to the body, like the body’s immune system gets confused from such high doses,
        and unnatural substances.




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      2. Wouldn’t the obvious explanation for the rapid increase in autism rates simply be increased awareness leading to an increase of ‘formal’ diagnoses……. not necessarily an increase in the actual rate overall (not to mention more opportunity for selling medications to a wider range of consumers)? But, then again it does seem many modern lifestyle/environmental factors are undoubtedly having a negative effect on children’s development, and, perhaps, this could also include autism.
        As far as vaccinations are concerned, surely a few more decades in vaccine research would make them safer today than they were in the 70s. Also, if a child is presenting as ‘normal’ until 15 months, wouldn’t that just be because the symptoms of autism are rarely distinguishable before that age (and even later)? Either way, I’m sure we all look forward to more conclusive research on the subject and perhaps even an opinion from Dr G. Hysteria from either angle makes life difficult for a new parent.




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        1. For those of us growing up in the 70s clearly there wasn’t anywhere near as many special kids, or kids with autism. This isn’t because it wasn’t diagnosed. I don’t believe vaccines are safer today than they were in the seventies. The toxins in vaccines are what make them unsafe. By simply giving more and more vaccines, you are giving 10 or 20 times more toxins then us in the 70s had or more. Plus they include a whole bunch more stuff in the vaccines now. Remember every drug that is ever been recalled by the FDA, at one point was approved by the FDA study to be safe for quite some time.




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      3. Julie,

        I personally agree with you. The link between vaccines and autism is highly suspicious.

        We can’t simply explain it as a genetic disorder, the increase is too fast.

        Exactly as you said, there are other factors such as environmental but we can’t forget that diagnostic criteria changed, too.

        Hope this helps,

        Moderator Adam P.




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      1. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/fine-particulate-air-pollution-linked-with-increased-autism-risk/ indicates higher autism rates tracking the Nurses Health II participant locations during pregnancy, particularly third trimester, but weaker association with before or after pregnancy. Also just the PM2.5, 2.5 micron size particles which can penetrate into the cells, had the effect.

        Curious in that sulforaphane has a curative effect on air pollution https://nutritionfacts.org/video/best-food-to-counter-the-effects-of-air-pollution/ and also the heat shock response influencing autism. Maybe the upcoming videos will shed some light




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    2. I remember learning in a class that our immune systems aren’t mature before age two, yet so many vaccines, which are supposed to stimulate the immune system, are given to babies. I’ve never understood why they were giving them so young. And, of course, it makes no sense to give vaccines for things they’ll never encounter as babies or young children, but they do.

      I could go on and one, but time runs out…




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      1. and we are giving them synthetic vitamins, something never done for humans up until the last couple generations, on a mass scale.
        nothing natural about this.




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        1. Most smokers don’t get cancer — I think only about 20% do — though they do get many other diseases — COPD and heart disease come to mind. And non-smokers also get lung cancer; I know of two who died from it.




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      1. We will have autistic kids both vaccinated and unvaccinated. If there is a significant difference between the rates of autism between the two groups (and I think there is) then vaccination should be considered a potential environmental trigger for autism. There will be other triggers for autism. There will be multiple triggers for each autistic child. Each trigger will have contributed in various proportions from one child to the next. Any event that potentially contributes to inflammation aswell as detoxification, refuelling and signalling problems in the brain should be considered. There will be more than one reason why every autistic kid is autistic. Chances are high that vaccinations are one serious reason amoungst many. The same goes for dementia, mood disorders, schizoaffective disorders. The list is long. They are just labels for a cluster of outwardly obvious symptoms and really in the end we are talking about a damage to what could have potentially been a healthy brain.




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        1. Belinda!
          I agree wholeheartedly with you-it’s crazy to expect multiple injections to infants (or any human) containing aluminum and mercury will have zero side effects for everyone. I’m NOT anti-vaccines, but I will be even MORE cautious when I become pregnant about what goes in my body and my baby’s, having to weigh serious potential risks that no one really talks about (this is not a discussion, its more like two groups shouting crazy at the other). The fact that vaccine makers CANNOT be sued, held accountable for the efficacy and safety of their products *cough* MercK *cough* makes me more than a little nervous as well




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      2. sources? In pretty sure you dont have a reliable one for that statement.

        Look up pediatrician Paul Thomas (who DOES vaccinate). He is trying to get out some research concerning vaccinated vs unvaccinated. He will strongly disagree with your statement.




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      3. It’s likely to be a genetic predisposition that needs to triggered later on. Likely triggers being vaccinations or something in the environment?




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      4. Vaccines are poison. Toxic. They want to get as much vaccines in to your kids as possible as soon as possible. Some will get autism. Some will get allergies. Some will get some other reaction or disease. All mean big bucks for big Pharma to TREAT.




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    3. Agreed. So many MDs deny that vaccines or the chemicals in the vaccines are dangerous. Even the vet for my dog is beginning to acknowledge this! Why are doctors promoting vaccines (babies today are receiving way more than I did). I am truly disappointed these docs are not looking at this!!!!




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        1. Thank you! And mercury (thimerosal) has been removed from childhood vaccines as a precaution, although it was never even proven to cause autism, anyway.




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    4. My daughter gave birth to two autistic sons. The first one was a surprise but I was on high alert when the second one was born. Before he was six weeks old I knew he had it. He would not make eye contact for anything. When I picked him up to talk or cuddle he looked to the right or the left. When I physically turned him so my face was where he was looking, he looked the other way. And this was before he had any vaccinations. I begged her not to get him vaccinations until he was older, but she had a lot of pressure from health care and caved. Fortunately, he has a mild case but with or without vaccinations, he had it from birth.




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      1. I meant regarding the vaccine comments. Whole foods plant based diet (WFPBD) is the way to go. The article doesn’t say that food habit is the only cause for autism and can be reversed by adopting WFPBD. There must be certainly other factors as well. But WFPBD can indeed have beneficial effects with regards to autism and a whole lot of other conditions.




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    5. Hi, I live in the UK and have 4 children. None of them are vaccinated. My second eldest (age 9) has been diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum as well as suffering from SPD. My son noticeably changed when aged 4. We have no idea what caused the change in him but I can honestly say it had nothing to do with any sort of medication.
      Whilst vaccinations in my opinion certainly can potentially cause autism type developmental delays, they certainly are not entirely to blame.




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    6. Although I cannot lay any doubts against a career of observation, the documentary (if you can call it that) Vaxxed is the worst kind of scientific tripe based on a paper that was falsified, and has been removed and discredited from the Lancet, one of the leading medical journals in the world. Like the number 23, if you look for it- you will find it. The rise in ASD has mirrored the rising rates in ability to diagnose. It has not mirrored the rise in the MMR vaccine, which has been around for 50 years now. Let’s remember how mental illness was treated before that- with disdain and neglect. There was no ADS diagnosis, there was simply the loony bin. Studies can neither confirm or disprove anything; that’s why they are “studies”. They can be seriously flawed when backed by the wrong people. Monsanto has “confirmed” that Roundup is not harmful to humans. Would you believe that? The CDC, which I would call the Bible of research has yet to date, published a single study that was well constructed and viably tested the MMR against ADS. Most studies are simply cherry picked to yield the result wanted. This why people like Kip Anderson and Andrew Wakefield should never allowed to research medicine again. Wakefield, who wrote Vaxxed, not only has been removed from practicing in the UK, but he has four chargers of research misconduct against him. And this the man who you think “confirmed” that ADS is directly caused from vaccinations? In closing I urge you to think about this- you said most of the ADS came around the same time… Correlation does not mean causation. Ice cream sales go up in summer. Murder goes up in summer too. This does not mean ice cream intake causes murder. ADS develops when children are young. Children get vaccinated when they are young. Does that mean one causes the other?




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  2. If this is your first video, or first week of Nutrition Facts exposure, please do read the doctor’s notes and note all the supporting/relevant videos he lists there. Also note that the archive is fully searchable and that all sources are listed for YOU to be able to read the reports yourself and answer many of your other questions.

    There is no prohibition against discussion of dissenting ideas and positions but please realize that this site is about the nutrition facts as found by the latest research, and OFTEN these things will be somewhat different from mainstream and popular belief and thoughts. Also that facts are subject to change depending upon findings, and that nutritional research is a difficult task for many reasons.

    Most common questions and conflicts on very many subjects have been previously addressed and can be found, along with the supporting studies and discussion if one will simply take a few minutes to look for them.

    We are glad to have you here with open mind and ready palate. WFPB works for so many of us, and works well! We hope to support your transition and create a tide of change. Thanks for stopping in.




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  3. fever, in my opinion, is likely suppressing and or killing an internal virus and or bacteria in the brain.

    And who knows, maybe
    vaccines can, in some people, prevent the human immune system from naturally eliminating these viruses, bacteria.

    I have had times where i felt far healthier, stronger, after a fever than i felt before i even got the fever. very noticeable.
    more strength, sharper mind, wit, increased mood. and i don’t have autism. Another theory is that the fever is
    destroying certain strains of opportunistic yeast.




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    1. I think Dr Greger is saying that the improvements from having a fever revert when the fever goes away. Which undermines the virus theory you are suggesting.




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      1. I agree, a bit, but consider that these positive benefits do not last in me, just for a week or so, it seems, then the body
        goes back to feeling weaker/worse, like it was pre-fever. So, it seems something might be at work here with the fever,
        suppressing something for a bit, maybe.




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      1. Hi HM, thank you for your comment. I am one of the volunteer moderators at the site. I find this video so interesting and powerful and I am also going to eagerly watch the next one. Meanwhile I found another important video of Dr Greger about how to cook Broccoli that I would like to remind everyone to see this. Watch and enjoy!
        Second Strategy to Cooking Broccoli




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        1. Spring03, thanks to that broccoli video you linked to, I have been chopping up the broccoli first before getting into the main meal prep. It’s easy enough to get in the habit of giving the broccoli enzymes a 45 min start before cooking to get the sulforaphane benefits. Using a dusting of dry mustard on cooked broccoli is a great option when there is not enough time.

          And, thank you Dr Greger! Great video – new topic to me, and I really enjoyed this introduction to it. Amazing what plants can do.. no wonder so many of us experienced a broad range of benefits in switching to wfpb eating including some pleasant surprises. Look forward to monday’s video.




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  4. I hate to leave this in the comments. But, I have created an app for people new to the WFPB lifestyle. It is absolutely FREE and points to websites, starter guides, facebook groups, and YouTube channels that would be helpful for a new person like Nutrition Facts and the Daily Dozen app. Right now, it is only on Android, but it has been submitted to Apple. I totally just hope to help others getting started to get to the right information. Here is the link to the app on the Play Store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.karlscoaching.foureyedplanteater




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    1. Hi Karl,

      Great to see the wave growing. We have countless others in this room that offer unhealthy information so to see someone come along who is supporting the good news, then I don’t mind. But I am only speaking for me. I personally rely on Dr. Greger’s app.

      Maybe what you could do is contribute to this site if you are going to use it to promote your product in our chat area? That would be ethical and cool! And then you could put a statement like the one below on your app. You would be respected for it given how Nurtritionfacts.org provided the evidence base for your app.

      A proud monthly supporter of Nurtitionfacts.org




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    2. Karl, I didn’t follow the link, but I did go to the Google Play store and searched “foureyedplanteater” and found and downloaded your app. (I have an inherent distrust of links these days, but yours appears to be legitimate.) Your app looks like a great resource for people new to the journey, and I appreciate the time you have taken to put it together. I hope you’re able to promote it and get some more people interested in whole food plant based living! Thank you!!




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      1. HM: OH YES! My 18 yo daughter was finally diagnosed as having high-functioning autism after years and years of tears and frustrations, her starving herself literally (Avoidant Reactive Food Intake Disorder – often associated with autism spectrum), me knowing something was wrong but people kept telling me that she just had a few quirks. As you know, high-functioning does not mean normal. I will be waiting eagerly to see the rest of the articles in this series.




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        1. Animals are fasting in nature when they are sick or injured, maybe her body want to fast to cure whatever can be cured, what about trying for few days or more and see what happen?




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          1. Julot,
            Seriously? Don’t troll. And if you aren’t trolling, then please realize your suggestion is in NO WAY helpful and I’m offended by it, even if Angela isn’t.




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  5. I really thought Dr G would be above autism “cure” talk, which is universally abhorred by the autism community – i.e., ACTUALLY autistic people. I’m not interested in the peanut gallery’s wild throughts on cures and causes either. As an autistic person, I’m highly disappointed in this site.




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    1. I totally understand what you are saying. The phraseology in the video bothered me but at the same time, I have years of built up faith in Dr. G, so I’m looking past the wording and finding the message that some things can maybe be made easier in my son’s life with proper nutrition.

      If someone has say, type 1 diabetes, they don’t usually get offended or hurt by talk on “curing” the disease. But with things like autism, bipolar disorder, etc, where I think society has placed so much blame and shame on the person, are different. People With these “invisible” disabilities are told every day to just try harder–akin to someone telling a quadriplegic to just try harder to get out of their wheelchair and walk. But no one would tell that to a quadriplegic, right? So why us?

      I don’t want to “cure” my son, nor do I wish to make him different from who is he is. His autism is part of what makes him him. But, if there is a way to make his life and functioning easier for him–a way for his best self to shine, why not learn about it?

      We have this cute zebra book, called “all my stripes”. The zebra wonders why people only see his autism stripe. His mom takes him to a mirror and points out all of his stripes, and that his autism stripe is just one of many that make him special.

      I don’t want to erase my son’s autism stripe. His autism stripe gives him special powers. But if I can help ease some of the harder parts of that stripe, then by all means, I am all ears. Everyone has strengths and struggles that are due to their unique biology and this is no different.

      Much love to you, Ilana. ❤️




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      1. HM,
        Well stated and very helpful to me and likely many others. There is a hot discussion on the use of words disease & cure over on FB in a group designed to support those following Dr G’s WFPB. Many are VERY upset with Dr G and leaving the group. It saddens me because I know Dr G personally and fully believe he had no intention of offending anyone. He only wants to help those that suffer by translating the research into actionable steps. I am a WFPB nurse/nutritionist and Gmom of a 9 year old girl who was placed on the spectrum at 3. We as a family had to watch K struggle daily… unable to wear most clothing, having wild tantrums, unable to sleep through the night, having no friends and only sporadic hope for happiness. K was joyfully removed from the spectrum at 6 after years of intensive behavioral, nutritional and supplement support guided by genetic testing. For me the label put on the process that helped our whole family is not nearly as important as the fact that K is now 9 and is thriving in all aspects of her life.




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    2. @Ilana I’m certain that Dr. Greger didn’t mean to offend anyone with his choice of language. And there is nothing wrong with reviewing the research on a topic. Even if you personally find it distasteful, there are many others out there who are curious about it.




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  6. Pick up the book “nuerotypical”.. and first understand that autism was not and is not due to vaccines and was around even before WW2 being studied in germany.. I can’t even begin to believe anything this site is publishing until you actually explorer other case studies… shame on you for this.. I’m with ilana on this one..




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  7. Wow! what exciting news! There is scientific evidence toward a potential for a cure for autism if this mechanism is proven to be useful. I am sending this to my friend who hopes for a cure for her daughter even while she moves forward to cope with the dysfunction and to help her daughter adapt her life to the same.

    I marvel at the fact that cures have been found in the most unexpected ways- Smallpox bacteria from cow’s milk to penicillin from rotting things. Life and health can be a great mystery.

    A proud monthly supporter of Nutritionfacts.org




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    1. Perhaps your friend would like her daughter ‘cured’ of other personal characteristics? Say, eye colour, gender, height for example? I find your comment most disturbing. Can’t the child be loved for who she is without this kind of judgement?




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      1. I love my daughter for who she is – but would I love to give her the chance to live a more normal life. Not even a question. She has cried and sobbed, wishing someone could help her to move on to a more typicall life, one where she can handle a part-time job or going to the mall without the anxiety causing her to ball up with her hands over her ears, sobbing uncontrollably because of the sensory overloads. Her autism has led to an eating disorder that literally almost killed her, she has had to have tube feedings until we could get her to eat because the autism associated anxiety disorder was so overwhelming. Absolutely I can love her, I never want to get rid of her personality and I wish with all my heard I could get rid of the things that make her life so difficult. In the same manner, I love my son – and would give all the money I have to get rid of his narcolepsy.




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      2. Hi Mary,
        I hesitate to judge my friend. Her love for her daughter is likely deeply rooted in her belief systems, her experience as a mother and in fact, her love for her daughter.
        Why not focus on the love instead of judging her and just know your own truth and understand that very few people are here to take your truth away.




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  8. In December 2013, Dr. Eric Hollander, director of the Autism and Obsessive Compulsive Spectrum Program at Montefiore Medical Center, presented findings in 15 children placed in a hot 102 degree F bath or a 98 degree F bath. The kids had better social scores after the hotter bath treatment. Although presented at a medical conference, the results were never published.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/worms-hot-baths-secret-to-treating-autism/




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    1. You need to chop cruciferous vegetables and cook lightly to maximize the release of Sulforaphane. Also eat some raw arugula or mustard green together with lightly cooked cruciferous vegetables for the enzyme to get Sulforaphane released.




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  9. As a father of a child diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder (ASD), I find this line of inquiry most engaging.

    Interestingly enough, my son is very verbal, and sometimes, he can be downright argumentative. I have been stuffing with cruciferous vegetables for some time now. He loves bok choy, daikon, cabbage and broccoli. I figured that good diet would lead to good overall health including brain health, but the information in this video makes me wonder just how much his diet has impacted his development.

    I’d love to hear more about this subject as it becomes available.




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  10. I’m normally a great fan of Michael Greger but talking of autism as if it’s a disease is ridiculous. It’s actually a developmental condition – NOT a medical ‘disorder’ to be cured. He ought to know the difference if he’s writing about it.

    Also, referring to people who have the condition as ‘autistics’ or ‘autistic people’ is offensive. People are ALWAYS people first regardless of what other issues they might have. So, ‘people with autism’/ ‘children with autism’ is better than being dehumanized. Making people subordinate to personal characteristics others see as ‘defective’ is to beat a path to euthanasia as the nazis did in the 1930s.

    This whole business of medicalizing things that aren’t medical and detracting from people’s humanity is altogether too scary for me. Dr G has lost a follower.




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    1. Mary, I completely agree with you about it being damaging and inaccurate to call autism a disease.

      I just wanted to add though that I and many other people with autism actually prefer being referred to as ‘autistic’ precisely because it isn’t a disorder or disability, it is part of us and makes us who we are.

      I really do appreciate you speaking up on this topic – it’s a conversation that’s needed. ❤️




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    2. I respect those in the autism community who are pushing for pride and acceptance, but they cannot deny how disabling the condition can be. The whole point of this video series is to share the amazing news that it appears the core symptoms can be affected. That’s the difference between a disorder (which is considered hard-wired) and a disease, which can be treatable. As I talk about in the video “What makes this so groundbreaking, so earth-shattering, is that this challenges the whole presumption that autism is some kind of static, irreversible brain disease, where the brain is just inexorably damaged in some way, with no hope of recovery. But, the fever glimpses suggest no, it may be more of a dynamic brain disease, where the normal healthy circuits are in there somewhere, but being actively suppressed, and the fever somehow lifts that suppression, relieves the active disease process….” Those with ASD who celebrate their condition as a difference rather than a disorder are certainly welcome to ignore this message.




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      1. Thank you for leaving a comment, Dr Greger, and for allowing me to express my opinion.

        You persist in calling autism a disease when, in fact, it is recognized by the scientific community as a developmental condition. You are entitled to your opinion, of course, but you are alone, or in a small minority, in this regard. However, the impact diet has on people with the condition is important and so I am not suggesting you abandon your broccoli idea. My difficulty with your video lies in your attitude/ approach to autism – misrepresenting it and supposing those of us who have it are ‘not in the room’ (so to speak), that we ought not to exist. For the most part, it is only disabling if society and the people around us choose to make it so (we don’t have to create environments with strong smells etc).

        If I may, I’d like to relate an anecdote. One of my ancestors who lived in the first half of the 20th century (before diagnoses and vaccines existed) appears to have had Asperger’s syndrome. One of his idiosyncrasies was to have little or no fear of danger (obviously, not everyone on the spectrum shares this particular trait). He dedicated his life to his career with a life-saving agency where he saved countless lives in dangerous situations others thought impossible, and received medals and awards for his bravery. He was a happy man and people loved him. Had he been ‘cured’ the people he saved would now be dead and the world would be a poorer place. Are you sure this is a good idea?

        Clearly, we should not be inducing autism in people who would not naturally have it, by giving them multiple vaccines (which we seem to be doing). However, the small number of people who naturally have it not be seen as an aberration, and everyone with autism should be valued and respected for their special talents whatever those talents happen to be.

        No, a developmental condition cannot be ‘cured’ but if your broccoli idea can help with quality of life, I wish you the very best of luck with that.




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        1. Mary – It appears that you are unable — or unwilling — to try to comprehend Dr. Greger’s reply to you. Stating that the developmental condition theory is “it is recognized by the scientific community as a developmental condition” shows a lack of awareness of how science proceeds. There is no such thing as “the scientific community,” either.




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          1. Ron, ‘the scientific community’ is only an expression to describe the great many scientists that do stirling work in our societies. Where they are unanimous, or nearly unanimous, we tend to believe what they say (eg climate change). When new evidence presents itself, they review their beliefs. With regards autism being a disease or a developmental condition, scientific opinion is towards it being developmental.

            So far, Dr Greger has offered potential evidence that certain characteristics of autism can be alleviated by diet. I’ve no objection to that. We’ll need a lot more evidence to convince some of us that autism is, in fact, a disease.




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        2. Mary, people used to think that fevers came from evil spirits and so on, but now we know that it is due to complex biological interactions. “Science” is a body of KNOWLEDGE. If the knowledge grows, the science changes. While it may make one feel uncomfortable to have their beliefs about themselves (or the spirit world) challenged, there is no harm or shame in exploring and pushing the edges of our collective knowledge and thereby refining “science”. Dr. Gregor seems to be saying that there may be more to autism than we’ve thought thus far. You can decide for yourself if you want to add sulfurophane to your diet and see if it makes you somehow better than you already are. Put another way: I have heard that if you do psychedelic drugs, you will experience life in a vastly different way than you normally do. I, myself, have decided not to experiment with this because I think I am functioning well enough in society (without expecting society to modulate for my specific needs) and don’t feel I am missing out on important things happening around me. (Also, I am afraid that I would not know how to conduct myself within the new dimension opened to me on those drugs.) But if I were dissatisfied with my normal, or curious to see if I would prefer this different state of being, or I thought I might experience life somehow more fully on these drugs, then I might try them. I really think that focusing on Dr. Greger’s semantics instead of focusing on his content is an unnecessary distraction. If sulfurophane is not for you, then skip the cruciferous veg, but don’t try to muddle or stifle the effort to find new knowledge.




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          1. Hi there, Reluctant Vegan.

            I have said nothing to suggest knowledge should be muddled or stifled. I focus on Dr Greger’s language because that is where the offence lies.
            Science should not be used to justify eradicating any group of people. Who are you to decide who should be allowed to exist or not? Why stop at people on the spectrum? What about Welsh people, gay people or mixed race people etc? Should they be ‘cured’? I know from personal experience that hunting enthusiasts would like to eradicate Vegans. Where would it end? Why not be tolerant of difference?

            By all means investigate the affects of diet on anything at all. Just don’t do it from motives of harm, destruction, or with the aim of making the human race poorer by eradicating some part of it.




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        3. Hi Mary, thanks for your comments. I am one of the volunteer moderators at the website. I would like to say with all due respect to the community that have autism or have a member of family with Autism, the videos that Dr Greger shares are about solutions to any issues in health. It is all about empowering ourselves to be stronger together. Please look at this website as an empowerment tool. I remember Dr Wayne Dyer used to say, “When we change the way we look at things, the things we look at changes.”This quote has helped me a lot in life and I hope it can be helpful to you too. Below is also the link to Dr Greger comment.
          https://nutritionfacts.org/video/fever-benefits-for-autism-in-a-food/#comment-365386




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      2. I enjoy Nutrition Facts work including scientific background. Yet, it astounds me that there remains an ongoing ill-presumption of one cause and one effect in Medicine… the ICD standardized practice of Disease management. Patient advocates and groups suffer as victims of symptom labels looking for singular solutions to the thing… when it is the varied individual condition including metabolism, essential nutrients and safe (low harm) environment that matters. Generic nutrition is all vary well. But let’s not confuse that with the complexity of micronutrient requirements.

        Thank goodness the good Dr us waking up to the reality of reversibility of conditions.

        Maybe fever is helpful because it addresses and triggers self-recovery from disruption in individually specific adaptive homeostasis – in “Autism”. It’s a different age range, but similar factors come into play with Parkinson and other “neurological” conditions.

        Anybody read the biologist Dr Amy Yasko’s “pathways to recovery from Autism”? It’s a free book. Look it up please.

        It’s not one solution for everyone. It’s a testing and metabolic individualization strategy that has proven to reverse conditions such as Autism.

        I’ve found that assessment-led metabolic support helps people recover Innate capacities for adaptation and life… health.

        Nutrition Facts provides some useful big first steps onto the generic playing field. Respect individuality rather than Medically dismiss it as if the reason to call for more generic research… and you are on your way to life that nurtures health.

        One might logically observe: Cookie cutter diagnosis and one size fits all macro-nutrition or medical treatment is the perfect model for idiopathic chronic disease and a profitable medical profession based on never finding cures. How do you spell iatrogenic (self-perpetuating business of caring by ignoring individual cures)?

        How not to die? By accepting as fact the miraculous adaptivity, variability and variety that is being individual humans.

        A best wishes and long live plant based nutrition!




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      3. Dr Greger – just a small thing – but shouldn’t that last sentence of your statement read “Those with ASD who celebrate their condition as a difference rather than a DISEASE are certainly welcome to ignore this message.
        I say this because earlier you make the point that disorders are hard-wired but diseases are treatable.




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    3. Mary J, I agree with you that we should not call autism a “disease”. But at the same time, I don’t agree that it is a development condition either. I know several kids who are autistic, one of which is my close nephew, and they are all very bright but they have to do repetitive tasks and so they cannot really hold a job. But they are very artistic and they can remember things very well, such as plots and who are acting in such and such movies for instance. It’s like some parts of their brain are wired incorrectly, but otherwise they are normal or more intelligent than a lot of people.

      I am curious to see Dr G next video about autism but I doubt about the theory that broccoli generates heat in the brain and therefore “cure” autism. If that’s the case then children of vegans do not have autism in most cases, because they are likely to be fed with broccoli.

      I don’t know if this is Dr G way to get us to eat broccoli or not, because he likely will pick a research that talks favorably about broccoli possible effect on autism and use that as a tool to get us to eat more broccoli. He does the same thing with the cholesterol and saturated fat theories to get us off animal foods, and coconut oil which is a plant food, becomes a victim because of this “saturated fat” theory.

      So sometimes I am confused when he discusses things and I don’t know if he talks in favor of veganism or for real nutritional sciences. I used to be a fan of him myself but lately I am not anymore after discovering that a lot of things are cherry picked.




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      1. Hi Jerry Lewis. People on the spectrum often do find suitable work because employers value a lot of the personal characteristics found in people on the spectrum (like punctuality, strict adherence to truth etc). There are jobs that require the employee to do repetitive tasks and so your nephew might not be as unemployable as you suppose. I’ve been diagnosed with Asperger’s syndrome (ie autism with average or above average IQ) and have been able to support myself for most of my working life (though at times it was difficult for a number of reasons).

        With regards the broccoli idea. I don’t eat a great deal of broccoli but I’ve been a Vegan (or ‘plant-based’) for over 30 years and find diet is the best way to manage myself (not ‘cure’ myself). For example, I go for very little gluten and strictly no foods or drinks with added synthetic vitamins and minerals (these latter give me severe chest pains like having a heart attack!). I’m very quirky with food. I welcome information about how diet affects people like me but do not accept it can ‘cure’ me. Being on the spectrum has actually given me gifts that I would never trade away to be like everyone else. How dull it would be if we were all alike!




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        1. Mary, I love your comments. I keep thinking about this video. I’m only going to buy this as a “cure” for a “disease” if I need to give my son a certain amount for a certain time, and then he will be “healed” and never need to worry about broccoli again.

          However, if the idea is ongoing broccoli/sulforophane ingestion, then I’d like to offer the idea that autism is a disorder and certain parts of the disorder are helped by good diet–this is true with ALL humans. For example: I have bipolar disorder and go into frequent depressive episodes. I medicate with lithium, which is natural, and also with turmeric and curcumin. I also handle mensyruql pain by adding a good chunk of ginger into my daily green smoothie. However, if I stop these things, I will go into a bipolar swing (or have menstrual pain). I have not, in any sense, cured myself.

          Dr. Fuhrman, the only other plant based doc that I truly admire, (hear that, Dr. Greger? I admire you, even though I don’t love the semantics of this last video. You are an AMA omg doctor and nutritional researcher. I’ve not forgotten that! I respect you for the work that you have done!) thinks that those who fall on the autistic spectrum are *more sensitive* to bad nutrition. This idea jives with other things I know from both my personal studies and university classes in science, nutrition, etc. I’m open to hearing Dr G out to the end, though! And I guess I’ll be chopping my broccoli 45 min ahead of cooking…




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        2. Mary J, my nephew parents have already tried to get him a job for people with autism but it does not work because my nephew cannot go to work on time. But he is very good at doing house chores. For instance, he has to clean the house every day no matter how clean it is, or go to the store to buy certain food even if there is plenty of that food at home. But otherwise he can take care of himself and is well behave and he lives with his parents right now although he is in the late 20s. His parent concern is who will take care of him when they die or are old, but his sister’s promise to take him in.

          The term cure is a relative term because everybody will die of something. If somebody has cancer and can survive until 90 thanks to nutrition and die of that cancer, then is it a cure or not? Or if somebody has prostate cancer but do nothing except have good nutrition to relieve the symptoms, and eventually die of something else, is the cancer cured?

          And last for your Asperger’s syndrome, you may want to try Coenzyme CoQ10 supplement because this is like a magic supplement that can fix anything by fixing the mitochondria. Try just one bottle and you see no improvement then stop, but I am 90% sure that it will do magic. I cannot convince my nephew’s parents to try it. Buy this brand and this brand only that is sold at Costco:

          https://www.costco.com/Qunol-Liquid-CoQ10-100-mg.%2C-20-Ounces.product.11678293.html

          https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/overcoming-pain/201610/cue-in-coenzyme-q10

          http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2010/2/Reverse-Mitochondrial-Damage/Page-01




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          1. Hi Jerry Lewis. Many thanks for the thoughtful reply and links – I’ll check them out. I wish you, your nephew and family all the very best in sorting things out. God bless and don’t give up. :)




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        3. Mary,
          Please keep loving yourself and sharing how those with a spectrum disorder CAN function effectively, or better than even those without a spectrum disorder. My brother has a sensory disorder that diagnosed today would have put him on the spectrum–but he is making way more money than I am as a software engineer for Amazon. My coworker also told me recently she is on the spectrum–no one can tell, though she does have some quirky moments, but she is a beautiful person and great at organizing. Its important to recognize each person is different, valuable and worthy of love. The different part is one I hope you will concede here as well. In my past job as a case manager for underprivileged families and adults who need assistance from the state, there are many people on the spectrum that need serious help functioning even in the most basic tasks. This job broke my spirit, but one of the factors we had to evaluate when taking in a new case was whether or not the person was able to identify danger. There are many kids and adults who will need assistance for likely the rest of their lives–just as a set of protective eyes to make sure thy doesn’t run into a busy street–great bodies, great strength, but the ability to identify consequences and danger is not present. Now, I know there are people in-between these states, who really want to be able to communicate more effectively (at least at certain times) and can sometimes, and cannot other times–if there is a natural way to help them communicate more effectively that THEY choose to try (we aren’t talking about force-feeding anyone here), should we give them that option? that information? should we stop all research on how to make some peoples’ lives a little less stressful?




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          1. Hi Jessig7. I fully support managing autism with diet. I manage myself with diet so the last thing I would say is we stop investigating it. How we fuel ourselves is key to our (everyone’s) wellbeing. It puts the matter entirely into the hands of the individual person. Torturing animals for information is always barbaric so I would stipulate that all research into anything at all should be cruelty free (that’s another subject). With that proviso, I fully support research into autism and how to better understand and manage it.

            What I object to here is the dismissal of a group of people by writing them off as *diseased* and unwanted by society, as if we have nothing to offer and no right to exist. Dr Greger’s final sentence, where he invites people on the spectrum to ignore what he’s saying if we don’t like it, chills the blood. This could as easily have been uttered by Heinrich Himmler to a member of the Jewish community who tried to join the debate about whether they should be exterminated or not in the 1930s. It’s monstrous to read if you are on the receiving end of it. Homosexuality has been considered a disease in the past. Would you or Dr Greger support talking about the gay community in this way? I think not because gay people are further ahead in the fight for civil rights.

            You cannot ‘cure’ autism. We cannot judge what is right or wrong for someone else. If someone needs help, of course they should have it IF THEY WANT IT – not if a ‘carer’ or someone else thinks they should. This is the frightening thing about this debate. The people who want autism ‘cured’ always seem to be parents of children who cannot speak for themselves.
            No-one listens to adults who are better placed to understand the people who actually have the condition. What we should be doing, too, is investigating the causes of autism




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            1. I’m sorry but my last comment somehow posted itself before I’d finished writing it (?)

              I was going to add that artificially inducing autism into babies and children by using multiple vaccines (and no doubt other things) is outrageous. Instead of finding a ‘cure’ we should stop causing autism where it wouldn’t naturally occur.

              Again, sorry for the confusion re posting the comment.




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          2. Jessica and Mary J, you bring up a good point in that do we need to “cure” autism condition? Take for instance my nephew who has autism condition, on one hand he is perfectly happy, unaware of what is going on, as long as he can do the things that he wants to do every day. But on the other hand, he cannot live independently without the help of his family or society. In this case, he does get help from his family. So do we need to “cure” him? He is who he is but if we “cure” him then now he is aware of the surrounding and then has all kind of worry just like me, but he cannot handle. It’s easy if he is aware of his conditions and can read a blog such like this one, and decides for himself to eat plenty of broccoli or not. But here we are deciding for him and try to “cure” him.

            This is not to say to not avoid autism in the first place whatever the cause is. So if vaccine is the root cause then we should only have the necessarily vaccines at a later age when our immune system is developed. And don’t get me wrong, we Do Need vaccinations, but only the necessary ones and not the avalanche of vaccines we give to young kids at an early age, including herpes vaccine (to a newborn???).




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  11. I am looking forward to reading Dr. Fuhrman’s new book on the destructive societal effects related to poor nutrition titled “Fast Food Genocide.” It is due out on October 17. In his Facebook stream last week, he said that this book will cover the history of nutrition in the U.S. and some of the impact on our genetics. He will be addressing racism as well. Sounds very interesting and perhaps controversial.




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    1. I know, I’m excited, too! Bummer he didn’t get the book out before the start of fall quarter, when I’d still have time to read it, but I’m super stoked to see wfat he has to say!




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  12. My son has high-functioning autism. (It was noticeable both before and after vaccinations. I saw no impact either way)
    Although he rarely has a fever, I notice significant improvements in calmness, happiness and his desire to connect with loved ones when he is running a fever. I dismissed it as a strange coincidence not realizing other parents had observed the same.
    Interestingly enough, the only vegetable I can get him to eat is broccoli. This is fascinating. I can’t wait to hear more.
    Thank you Jerry Lewis for the broccoli preparation information.,




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    1. Susan, here is a video on how to lightly cook broccoli sprout, but it applies to cooking all cruciferous vegetables as well. I bought a water boiler with temperature control for this reason and I boil water to exactly 160 deg F which is not too hot to the point of burning your fingers if you touch, but it is not cold either, and then I submerge my broccoli in this semi hot water and leave for 10 minutes.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7buU-PK7_I&t=14s

      And Dr G has a video a while ago on eating other vegetables to get the enzyme, and then you can cook broccoli or cruciferous vegetables all you want.

      https://nutritionfacts.org/video/second-strategy-to-cooking-broccoli/

      And here is an extract from an article from a “meat eating doctor” that I don’t want to post the link here.

      Adding Mustard Seed Can Maximize Sulforaphane Content Even Further

      The sulforaphane content can be further optimized by adding a myrosinase-containing food to it. As reported by the American Institute for Cancer Research (AICR):28

      “[P]articipants ate a broccoli supplement with no active myrosinase. When some participants ate a second food with myrosinase, their blood and urine levels of sulforaphane were significantly higher than those who did not eat the food.”

      Foods containing this important enzyme include:

      Mustard seed
      Daikon radishes
      Wasabi
      Arugula
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  13. As a huge fan of your work I’m shocked and sad that you’ve described autism as a disease.

    I and many other people with autism do not consider ourselves diseased or in need of a cure.

    We are in no way ‘less than’ neurotypical people and videos like yours are promoting an extremely harmful view to the contrary.

    I do hope you will take note of how autistic people actually feel about it and make changes to how you’re thinking and communicating about autism.




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    1. I think people with asd would love something that made their lives easier. That’s not dehumanizing or taking away their personality. I have a brother with asd and he does not have an easy life- nobody does. ASD is not normal and I would guess people with asd would love for some of their “symptoms” to be alieviated. Learning to live and love the place you’re in is absolutely the best thing you can do, but once you find something better you move on. You don’t keep people in a box if they don’t have to be there…..




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  14. Videos like this are what made me become a regular donor in the past.

    I thought the scare tactics used in the arsenic series were tacky and unprofessional (“Is rice going to kill you? Find out in 3 weeks or right now for only $39.99!”) Also, it came way too late. John McDougall, Jeff Novick, Caldwell Esselstyn, Garth Davis, and many, many others were talking about it over five years ago. Even my favorite fitness sites were talking about the science back in 2012.

    Besides the arsenic videos there were some other things I thought were handled very poorly and unprofessionally (not nutrition related) over the years. So I had already quit giving money to the site a long time ago. But this video and yesterday’s blog post are of the high quality I remember from years ago and I am starting to think that this might still be a worthy cause.




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    1. And yet, janeest6400, you seem to have continued to keep up with the site postings. So you must find some value here, just don’t want to spend any money on it. Well, not all of us can support it monetarily.

      And what DO you mean by “it came way too late”? Did someone you love die because Dr. Greger didn’t opt to join the discussion on arsenic in rice at some date you would approve? …when you already had the benefit of the thoughts, information, opinions of all those others. Did he ignore hundreds of requests for such coverage? Perhaps he considered that those well qualified others you mentioned had covered it well enough…until new research appeared which he considered it helpful to review in light of previous research and show what it added to “the balance of evidence.”.

      What is your expertise, that you feel you should make known your displeasure with what you call poor handling and unprofessionalism? And that we should swallow your opinion silently? If you find the site helpful enough that you have continued to follow it, if not support it monetarily, why do you publicly disparage it and it’s founder? Rather mean-spirited, I think. Certainly not constructive.




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  15. Dr. Greger, I’d love for you to do a video or series of videos on psoriasis and psoriatic arthritis. It seems to me a lot of people nowadays have it, including myself. I have tried many solutions and so far no luck. Thanks in advance!!




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    1. Hi Amanda F, thanks for your question. I am one of the volunteer moderators at the website. I am sure your request is noted and Dr Greger will provide more information on psoriatic arthritis. Meanwhile I have checked the library of his videos and found this interesting video and I thought to share it with you all. It indicates that vegetarian and vegan diets work in rheumatoid arthritis, by changing the intestinal flora and improving rheumatoid arthritis, but we didn’t specifically have confirmation that plant-based diets brought down anti-Proteus antibodies, until now. Those who responded to the plant-based diet showed a significant drop in anti-Proteus mirabilis antibodies compared to the control group. Maybe it just dropped immune responses across the board? No, antibody levels against other bugs remained the same, so the assumption is that the veg diet reduced urinary or gut levels of the bug.
      Why Do Plant-Based Diets Help Rheumatoid Arthritis?




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    2. Amanda, both my psoriasis and my psoriatic arthritis have completely vanished on a WFPB diet. It’s incredible. Have you followed the diet?




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      1. Hi June- how long did it take for you to notice a difference?? I’ve been wfpb since June- was doing well all summer and walking 2 hours a week, lost almost 30 lbs so far-no change to my skin. Then when the weather changed both my feet started to hurt and one of my big toes has a sore spot, poosible bunion or corn starting, not sure- so walking is out at the moment-trying to get skin cleared a bit more so I can go swimming which I love- but I’m about 30% covered right now. I’m still about 40 to 50 lbs overweight. What’s your story? Thanks so much for your post!!




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  16. Here is a different explanation of autism — at least in mice. I haven’t looked at the original paper, just skimmed this article:

    Korean-American Professor Couple Identify Major Cause of Autism
    http://www.koreadailyus.com/korean-american-professor-couple-identify-major-cause-autism/

    There is no link to any published article. But I looked for the article (which I haven’t read):

    Maternal gut bacteria promote neurodevelopmental abnormalities in mouse offspring
    http://www.nature.com/articles/nature23910.epdf?referrer_access_token=hQd7_8XDpdx1wpW8TDMYftRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0PYrLsKU-9EkQaBWpuvcql78h2cBzx9etJGf0WdhbFGTGKT8z1UmY1ivAVhUySoVwVp8SMuM7B2XQm9gfK577pxO07Bf3ltnZckWlgxp-jANsdYT7YA8p1J0JLTGy28lXfUiIFlH7KZKqiw2E8rDEZESX2YdiviMcKy_Ilmilz6esvnsNo0U4dlG-jFdsHpfzLgd50h39YXeZVj6zB0CthfZwe-v3bkLr5I-0wI2_GwcrHJg35ZWwCq-M9o0NjX7-jCWEG5vsgthuLGvuFYRdod&tracking_referrer=www.the-scientist.com




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  17. I am Dad to a 14 year old non verbal autistic son. I have never heard of this phenomena nor have I ever noticed an improvement in my son’s condition when he has had a fever. How common is it ?




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    1. Dale,

      A non-verbal ASD patient is as a percentage, from my 30 years of experience, a small percentage but definitely present (currently treating a 7 year old). As to the fever and change, it seems to make a difference in a subset of those with ASD and is not seen in many of the patients.

      Dr. Alan Kadish moderator for Dr. Greger http://www.Centerofhealth.com




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  18. Dr. Greger, I’d love if you’d cover vaccines and your thoughts on whether or not they are a cause of autism, and also, your thoughts on whether they should be given. It seems like a lot of people commenting here are pretty strongly in the anti-bad camp. You alone are a source many people trust (and for good reason!). You sort of opened up this can of worms by talking about autism, …so…I hope you can find time to share your thoughts on the subject!




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  19. This video reminded me of some research papers describing how an intense fever can lead to spontaneous cancer remission. Just Google search “cancer spontaneous remission and fever, pubmed” and see for yourself.




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    1. My thought is that a fever triggers the body’s immune system to work, and that may improve the conditions of autism or put cancer into remission.




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  20. Please look into the extensive research of Dr. Melillo. He is the creator of the Brain Balance program, a Chiropractic Neurologist, professor, researcher, And an expert in childhood neurological disorders.




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  21. I think the real questions are as follows:
    What is autism? Is it one thing or a collection of conditions? ( actually autistic spectrum disorder is a better way of expressing it)
    Is it a naturally occurring thing in the human gene pool or something else?
    Are there children with Autism at birth or is it all something that happens in tiny people. I know that I was a difficult baby which a lot of ASD kids have problems with distress for no apparent cause.
    Is any PART of what we call autism able to be improved on by nutritional means?
    Many conditions such as food allergies look like autism so when adddressed the autism is cured.
    I know I am much calmer when I’m good and sick but I still can’t read faces.
    Who knows.? Humans are mysteries. Communication is hard for all of us. The really important things to me are tolerance and kindness toward our fellow bipeds.




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  22. Dr. Greger is a man who is devoting his life to providing us with information he always had trouble locating. I am sure he takes a great deal of heat and grief from medical professionals over his continued determination to locate and disseminate this information. I’m not looking for a pat on the back. I just want him to know I support him and am so very grateful for all he and his team are doing to try and help us all be the best we can possibly be. So in lieu of this most recent backlash, I doubled my monetary support. It isn’t a lot and I sure wish it could be a whole lot more but I appreciate you more than I could ever say. Hang in there.




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    1. Awesome comment Brenda! I am sure I’m not alone in crediting Dr Greger and NF with my positive change in health destiny. Life impacting, current and engaging wellness resource – ty NF!




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  23. I have always wondering…people point at the mercury contained in the vaccines as the cause of Austism…but, what about the dental amalgams (mercury) in the mouth of the mother? Is there any study out there of how many mothers had their dental amalgams before pregnancy? Or just what were the levels of mercury on her blood….




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  24. I have always been wondering…people point at the mercury contained in the vaccines as the cause of Austism…but, what about the dental amalgams (mercury) in the mouth of the mother? Is there any study out there of how many mothers had their dental amalgams before pregnancy? Or just what were the levels of mercury on her blood….




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  25. Do you know how kids are always coming up with new terminology and we have no idea what they are saying, but all the kids know? This is not his field, so why would you expect him to know how people want to be referred? I have no doubt that that information is not in the research he is looking at. Just as people with autism see things differently, I’ve noticed that many doctors do as well. I don’t see heart disease as a disease, but that’s what it is called. You have no idea how many people asked him to do a video on this topic. Just because you are happy with who you are, doesn’t mean everyone wouldn’t like to have life easier and have less struggle. He does research on how many different topics? He puts the information out there for people to do with it what they want. He has always said don’t believe him. He does hour Q & A’s once a month out of his own time. I’m sorry if some people are offended, but I don’t believe for a second that anything in the video was done with intention to offend or belittle. If that is how you see it, I think it says more about you and less about him. He’s human and not perfect. I know he is attacked all the time, by the comments I’ve read on other videos and he keeps doing this, when most others would never put themselves through that. Compassion – sympathetic consciousness of others’ distress together with a desire to alleviate it. I see this in Dr. Greger and have respect for all he does. Dr. Greger, thanks for all you do. I know your information has helped me to improve my health and the health of my son and for that I am truly grateful.




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    1. I haven’t ‘attacked’ Dr Greger, Ellen, but that doesn’t mean he’s perfect or above criticism. I’m sure he can take all kinds of feedback in his stride (maybe even learn from it?).




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  26. Watch the following video which talks about the effect of Sulforaphane on a number of diseases or effects on the brain including autism (around minute 39). I think the role of Sulforaphane is in regulating gene expression and fixing DNA damage.

    00:38:06 – Late-video recap: mortality and cancer, DNA damage, oxidative stress and inflammation, benzene excretion, cardiovascular disease, type II diabetes, effects on the brain (depression, autism, schizophrenia, neurodegeneration), NRF2 pathway.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz4YVJ4aRfg




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      1. I think that the dosage that she specified is for cancer patient. Myself, I eat two fistfuls of sprouts per day. It’s not a lot to eat because as soon as you submerges in semi hot water then it shrinks. I grow my own sprout but when I don’t have time, then I buy it and it’s dirt cheap. Believe me, sprout and seed are like new life and you are eating hundreds of plants at once. I strongly recommend you to feed your kids with sprout and see what will happen,

        https://www.pyroenergen.com/articles07/sprouts-health-benefits.htm




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        1. I promise that I will *try*. I wonder if blending and offering as a shot glass won’t go over better, as the sprouts are really very…flavorful. I used to grow them for a while, but even I hated them. I still have seeds. The video you posted did convince me that I would be doing better to be eating them again.

          I’ll have to find a way for a picky eating, sensory sensitive autistic kiddo to get them down, though!

          You say you pour hot water over them? Do you chop and wait, first, for the sulphoraphane? Or is that unnecessary for sprouts? I always only ate them raw.




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          1. HM, according to the video of that Doctor, light heat will do the same job as chopping by causing the sprout or cruciferous vegetables (broccoli is one) to release the enzyme that will create Sulforaphane inside the body. Alternatively, you can eat a small amount of raw vegetables containing the enzyme called myrosinase, which also causes the formation of Sulforaphane inside the body. The vegetables that contain the myrosinase enzyme are:

            Mustard seed
            Daikon radishes
            Wasabi
            Arugula
            Cole slaw

            I do it all, light cooking cruciferous vegetables or sprout, chopping broccoli simply because they are big, and then eat raw arugula because I like arugula and arugula contains more nitrates than any vegetables including beet, and this is needed to lower blood pressure among other benefits. The following video by Dr G explains the strategy to supply the enzyme, beyond the chopping method. So if your kids are hard at eating raw vegetables, then you may consider cooking them into a soup and then adding a small amount of raw sprout, or raw arugula which you blend into a small amount of liquid to drink. You don’t need a lot for the enzymes, just a quarter of a cup will do the job.

            https://nutritionfacts.org/video/second-strategy-to-cooking-broccoli/

            It is difficult to distinguish which ones are nutrition, and which ones are catalyst that triggers something inside the body. For instance, vitamin is a catalyst because you need nutrition first before taking vitamins and you cannot live on vitamins alone. Broccoli contains both nutrition (protein, calcium) and also catalysts (vitamins, Sulforaphane). Trace minerals are catalysts, I think. So magnesium and zinc deficiencies are often associated with mental issues, so you need to get your kids to consume them too on top of eating broccoli and sprout. I know that most people on this forum are against taking supplements, but when dealing with kids who may be hard at eating then you may have to use supplements. Myself, I eat plenty of nutritious foods but I also take supplements, and magnesium and zinc are among the supplements that I take.

            https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16846101

            https://medicalxpress.com/news/2016-08-zinc-reverse-brain-cell-autism.html




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            1. When dealing with your own health or your loved ones then do whatever is best for you, and ignore all the noises from people around you. I often hear people insisting to eat WFPB, ideally raw, and take no supplement. Sure if you are healthy to begin with and you are an adult with some discipline. I supplement my 95 year old Dad (96 soon) to keep him alive and well. Yes he is an adult but he is hard at eating simply because he is lazy and only eat delicious foods. And good supplements are nothing but foods in a pill.




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            2. Awesome, you’ve been a great help, Jerry! I really appreciate your well thought out replies. I’m not against supplements, per say, but careful with them. We use dr. Fuhrman’s supplements because I trust him, and his research. There are a few other great brands out there, too. Once the next two videos come out, I’ll see wfat the dose and mode was, and perhaps will supplement in addition to pushing the cruciferous with the kids, depending on what was done in the studies.

              Again, thank you!




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  27. Excellent video. My son has stuttered (profoundly) since we was one. When he gets a fever his speech clears up almost perfectly (sometimes perfectly!) but again, only lasts as long as the fever is present. I am looking forward to future videos on this. In the future, I would LOVE to see videos specific to stuttering. Outside of speech therapy, magnesium and B1 therapy, there is little published.




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  28. Sorry, off topic. The studies on salt and inflammation, did they use additive free salt or did they use salt with additives like anti caking agents and iodine stabilisers? Because if they used additive laden salt then it could have been the additives that caused the inflammation.




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    1. Arthur,

      It appears that some studies were clean sodium chloride, without additives… here is an example of one studies method with cells directly : Sodium chloride (Chuandong Chemical
      Group Co., Ltd., Chongqing, China) with a purity of 99.5%was dissolved in deionized water as a stock solution at a concentration of 4000 mM (234 mg/mL). Either 5 L or 10 Lof this stock solution was added per mL to the cell cultures described below (20 mM or 40 mM additional NaCl). LPS was obtained from Sigma-Aldrich (St. Louis, MO).

      Some studies were using estimated intakes which would indeed confound the information from the additive perspective however, but I think the work is adequate to suggest sodium excess is the culprit.

      I’d direct you to this 2016 overview of hundreds of studies and correlation with MS……you might find the Sodium chloride intake and MS section particularly insightful as both animal models and others are referenced.

      Dr. Alan Kadish moderator for Dr. Greger http://www.Centerofhealth.com




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    1. Ken, It’s possible a sulforaphane supplement would be a good thing to take. However, in many cases supplements are shown by research to not carry the same benefit as the whole food. This appears to be because there are many synergistic elements in food that are left behind in processing to make supplements. In some cases supplements actually cause problems, even serious ones, while foods containing those elements are healing or supportive.

      Many, even most, supplements are made in a lab, not extracted from food, and are chemically somewhat different from the food nutrient they are intended to replace. This is true of folic acid, the artificial form of nature’s folate. Folic acid, which is now required to be added to refined wheat flour, has been shown to contribute to breast cancer, while folate, from leafy greens, oranges and other foods, is protective.




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      1. Very true! I guess we will find out the answer in Dr G’s next video, when we hear about the research study and whether a supplement pill was used or food?




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  29. I’ve been following Dr Gregers posts for quite some time, and it seems the comments section is no longer moderated as much??? And Im missing the wisdom of people like Vegietater and Toxins and Thea??




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    1. I think we all miss Thea, whose well researched and careful comments contributed so much balance and wisdom, as well as researched information, to these discussions. She’s probably still with us, though silently most of the time, but after many years of moderating she needed a break to spend time on other areas of her life.




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  30. Andrew Zimmerman, MD, psychaitrist or neurologist, from UMass Medical Center, Canto Clinic, treats children with autism. He has done several studies in the past few years on Sulforafane, broccoli sprouts. He has had positive results with young children in the areas of behavior, communication, etc. I think he is doing a current study with older children(12 and older) at this writing. Check him out for further information.

    Carol, mom of adult with autism




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  31. Dr. Greger,
    As an avid follower of NF, I respect your review of the medical research on this topic and its relevance to nutrition. It is certainly a fascinating topic. I only suggest that we should be careful in describing autism as a disease state (even though the literature has already, unfortunately, done so), when autism is better described as a behavioral state and is in many circles part of a larger identity (regardless of the underlying causal factors). As we see here in the literature, there certainly is an underlying mechanism at play, but with the growing ASD movement, I think it’s best to keep our focus (as well as the words we use) on treating the underlying pathology rather than treating autism itself (which fuels a negative view and stereotype against autistic individuals). I also encourage you and any others interested to read the book NeuroTribes for a broader perspective. (Written by Steve Silberman and with a foreword written by the late and great neurologist Oliver Sacks).

    Thank you for considering.




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  32. I know it is a bit off topic but i have not seen any research on lactose free milk and would like to know if the same health issues apply?
    Thank you for all the wonderful information.




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  33. Thanks for the great question. Lactose free milk is still dairy with the lactose sugar removed. Often it is replaced with other sugar. When you get right down to it, it is still dairy with all the saturated fat and other concerns. Removing the lactose does not remove those issues. So yes, the same issues apply.
    Dr. Greger has numerous videos about dairy that you might enjoy for more information:
    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-milk-good-for-our-bones/
    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-saturated-fat-studies-buttering-up-the-public/
    https://nutritionfacts.org/video/dietary-guidelines-just-say-no/

    Best of luck to you.
    Kelly
    Nutritionfacts.org Moderator




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  34. Vaccines are poison. Toxic. They want to get as much vaccines in to your kids as possible as soon as possible. Some will get autism. Some will get allergies. Some will get some other reaction or disease. All mean big bucks for big Pharma to TREAT.




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  35. Remove all toxins from your diet and environment. Eat nutrient rich foods. Your body can cure most of it’s diseases and problems by itself. Any medicine you take is toxic to your body. That’s why there are a few benefits and 100 possible side effects. There should never be a side effect to anything you put in your body. Vaccines are filled with toxins. No wonder there is so much autism and ADHD and altzheimerz disease. Build your immune system up naturally and with good food. Nature is perfect. Doctor’s all think they have the answer and understand. Every fruit and vegetable has the perfect amount of vitamins and minerals and nutrients for our body to recognize and absorb it. Vitamin supplements are ok, but nature is the perfect way. I’d trust nature over any scientific study any day.




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  36. Hello !

    I am French, forgive me for the quality of my English …
    I would like to know if Dr. G has done or intends to do a video on microbiota and autism / ADHD … the first studies are published but I would have liked to have the expertise of Dr. G’s
    tks




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