Doctor's Note

What response was there from the meat industry? Find out in Cattlemen’s Association Has Beef With EPIC Study. For more from the EPIC study, see Meat & Multiple MyelomaThousands of Vegans StudiedEPIC Findings on LymphomaEPIC StudyOmnivores vs. Vegan Nutrient DeficienciesBowel Movement Frequency; and Low Meat or No Meat?

For further context, check out my associated blog posts: Poultry Paunch: Meat & Weight GainDiet and Cellulite; and Diet vs. Exercise: What’s More Important?

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  • What response was there from the meat industry? Find out in tomorrow’s video-of-the-day Cattlemen’s Association Has Beef With EPIC Study. For more from the EPIC study see Meat & Multiple Myeloma, Thousands of Vegans Studied, Low Meat or No Meat?, EPIC Findings on Lymphoma, EPIC Study, Omnivores vs. Vegan Nutrient Deficiencies, and Bowel Movement Frequency.

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    • HemoDynamic, M.D.

      Maybe your above statement should read, “Cattlemen’s Association has COW with EPIC study.

      Don’t make me “Bust-a-gut” you might add.

      • Leslie Stanick


  • Another great post.  Thanks!  

  • Mary

    Wow!  For years before I became a vegan I heard that red meat was bad for you.  So the only meat I ate was chicken, the “ok” meat.  Apparently, I got only half the truth.   Maybe even less than half, as the preponderance of evidence, per these videos, seems to be against chicken (poultry)!

  • I wonder what the explanation for that effect would be? What can cause weight gain without an increase in total calories. I thought the calories in vs. calories out theorie where true! Could it be the estrogens in farm raised chickens?
    I’m currently testing this out on my own body. I’m eating 1000kcal over my maintenance level on a whole foods plant based low fat diet. So far I can only report muscle growth but no visible fat accumulation. Interesting! Let’s see the results in a few month…

    • Ashish Nair

      The fat you eat is the fat you wear. Isn’t it the case physiologically that the fat from food is converted very efficiently to fat on our body? Carbohydrates are pretty much the opposite, that is its very costly turning it into fat, and that any excess is burned off through movement and heat, i.e. dietary thermogenesis. The science and studies about this are in Dr Mcdougall’s Starch Solution, but he may have them online somewhere… 

    • Robb Bonner

      Most people are unaware how insulinogenic beef and chicken are. This has a substantial impact on weight gain.

  • Lincat13

    What about all those claims for high protein diets like Atkins etc.?  I understand the fact that these diets are unhealthy.  But I always thought that the concensus was that people really did lose weight on them. Could it be the low carb thing?

  • I don’t really doubt that meat can contribute to weight gain.  Perhaps because it has no fiber, it lingers in the digestive tract and thus more calories are absorbed.  However, I don’t really think a study that is based on retrospective recall of food intake can really accurately control for calorie consumption.  One would need to have a rigorously controlled experimental prospective study where calories are measured and where the subjects could only eat what had been measured out.  You never can guarantee that the diets are isocaloric when the study is based on recall.  Certainly people will not remember how much food they consumed unless they weigh and measure everything and carefully record the portion sizes.  The study I quoted about dieting and exercise in the previous posting was rigorously controlled and the calorie deficits were carefully matched- this produced identical weight loss.  It also sounds like some of the nut studies your mentioned more rigorously matched calories.  This study probably has truth, since there are other studies which corroborate it, but calories have to be carefully measured before one can say they don’t matter.  Probably calories always matter, but calories from some foods are more absorbed than from others, perhaps.

    • Robb Bonner

      Most people are unaware how insulinogenic beef and chicken are. This has a substantial impact on weight gain over and above just the caloric density vs other foods.

  • dar

    hmm,we know that fattening up critters with antibiotics is common & eating them puts weight on us…does poultry get more ccs per ounce than cows&pigs? or is it the  arsenic added to chicken feed ?

  • greenme

    In general, I love these videos.  I was getting ready to share this one on Facebook until I got to the last comment about the poultry influence not applying to sick people or those who lied about their diet.  Why would you even put that one on the graph, if it’s not proven?  I really don’t want to share skewed results.

    I’d like to see more on the adverse affects of chicken, since that’s what most of my family/friends eat instead of beef.

    • Veganrunner

      Greenme there are many videos under Browse Topics regarding chicken. Had I not watched them I would have still believed it wasn’t so bad for us. The video on chicken an arthritis is particularly enlightening.

  • NZBoomer

    Thank you for all your hard work educating us. So glad I found your videos starting with the series of 8. My husband is a medical doctor and I am a nurse so we need the science. We have been going vegan for 2 years and want to be sure we are doing it properly and getting the right nutrients. There is too much pseudo science in  the alternative therapy community.

  • Is this perhaps because the estimate for the amount of calories in steak was incorrect due to an incorrect assumption of the fat to protein ratio? Because fat has 9 calories per gram while protein has 4 calories per gram even a small ratio change could skew results significantly. This could potentially explain while poultry had a higher gain than even steak, because poultry today is even higher fat than it use to be and could be significantly skewing results based upon how the fat to protein ratio was calculated/measured.

  • Ginny

    Help. I am a vegan and wonder if I should occasionally eat an egg or meat. I don’t really want to but not sure what is the ideal diet for humans as we discuss it in our family. I see that eggs are like cigarettes and that meat is bad for you. But then, I read articles such as this one:

    Please help!

    • Toxins

      I would argue that nutrient dense starches such as wheat, barley, sweet potatoes and beans are better fuels for our brain considering that our brain runs off of glucose and uses most of the bodies glucose.

      Continue eating you whole, plant based vegan diet without fear. They raise a non issue.


    I can’t find anything on the “Series of 8”, could you please provide a link?

  • Elizabeth

    Great video. After becoming a vegetarian I lost 50 pounds over a span of 2 years and lost 10 pounds when I became a vegan. When I was a meat eater I ate a lot of processed meats like turkey and ham slices, hot pockets with meat and cheese, chicken nuggets, etc and maybe a hamburger every once in awhile.

    • ron

      I doubt that anything once in a while is bad for you.

  • LaShay Canady

    Yep! If you keep expecting different results when you keep doing the same thing, you get the same results over and over. No matter what diet a person has – meat eater, vegan, vegetarian, etc – if you don’t have the correct hydrochloride acid levels and the correct pH levels, your proteins are rotting, your carbs are fermenting, and your fats are going rancid. Has nothing to do with the meats. It has to do with achlorhydria (complete absence of HCL) or hypochlorhydria (diminished HCL). Until there is a ‘largest study’ with the correct digestive environment as comparison, you will get these same old results over and over again. Reactions
    to foods – exclusive of allergies – is often a significant indication
    of dysfunction of certain systems of the body or of unbalance of the
    body chemistry. Disturbance caused by fats? Gallbladder and liver
    dysfunction. Disturbance caused by carbs?
    Liver and pancreas dysfunction. Disturbance caused by proteins
    diminished gastric secretion. Disturbance caused by milk and dairy
    products? Spleen-thymus dysfunction. Eating grass fed meat is not the

  • Stacey Vas

    Great video! Although, I’m confused where athletes and body builders fit in? Some physique athletes and body builders eat huge amounts of animal products (in excess of 5 servings a day) and their fat percentage goes down; they lose weight. I’m 100% in favour of a plant based diet but it would be interesting to know why it’s different for athletes.

  • Roberta

    I was about to show this to my meat eating body building son, however only at the end was it clear that “weight gain” meant fat gain. Weight gain in muscle mass could be a looked at as a good thing.

  • Fred Bloggs

    Who the hell cares about weight gain? Its fat gain we dont want, all this study shows is that meat eaters become more muscular. Why are you so biased?