EPIC Findings on Lymphoma

EPIC Findings on Lymphoma
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In a study of a half million people, which was most associated with the risk of developing lymphoma? Red meat, processed meat, poultry, offal, eggs, or milk?

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Yes, the incidence of all malignant cancers combined was lower among fish-only eaters and vegetarians, compared to the healthy meat-eaters. But the most striking difference between the dietary groups was in the risk for the group of cancers that include lymphomas and myeloma. Since they factored out other lifestyle differences between the meat-eaters and vegetarians—similar smoking; exercise; weight; fruit and veggie consumption—they concluded that meat itself may be the culprit, potentially due to the mutagenic compounds or viruses in meat. But that raises the question: what type of meat?

To get at that level of detail, you would need to look at a lot of people, so they enrolled the help of not just any study, but the EPIC study. EPIC, the largest forward-looking study on diet and cancer in human history, following a half million people for over ten years now.

What type of meat was the worst? They looked at red meat (beef and pork), processed meat (like bacon, ham, and sausage), poultry (chicken and turkey), also offal, which, true to its name, means entrails and organs—in practical terms, that’s liver, heart, kidneys, pancreas, blood, thymus, brains, stomach, feet, tongue, tail, as well as the head, and eyeballs. They also looked at eggs and dairy.

Which was most significantly associated with the risk of developing lymphoma? Red meat, processed meat, poultry, offal, eggs, or milk?

It was poultry consumption—associated with a significantly increased risk of non-Hodgkins lymphoma, all grades of follicular lymphoma, B-cell lymphomas in general, including B-cell chronic lymphatic leukemia, including small lymphocytic leukemia and prolymphocytic lymphocytic leukemia.

Up to triple the rates for every 50 grams of daily poultry consumption. A cooked chicken breast averages over 200 grams; so that’s for just a quarter of a chicken breast worth of poultry.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by veganmontreal.

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Images thanks to Rainer Zen, MCB,  Sun Ladder, Amidelalune, Carsten Niehaus, and Renee Comet for the National Cancer Institute via Wikimedia Commons.

Yes, the incidence of all malignant cancers combined was lower among fish-only eaters and vegetarians, compared to the healthy meat-eaters. But the most striking difference between the dietary groups was in the risk for the group of cancers that include lymphomas and myeloma. Since they factored out other lifestyle differences between the meat-eaters and vegetarians—similar smoking; exercise; weight; fruit and veggie consumption—they concluded that meat itself may be the culprit, potentially due to the mutagenic compounds or viruses in meat. But that raises the question: what type of meat?

To get at that level of detail, you would need to look at a lot of people, so they enrolled the help of not just any study, but the EPIC study. EPIC, the largest forward-looking study on diet and cancer in human history, following a half million people for over ten years now.

What type of meat was the worst? They looked at red meat (beef and pork), processed meat (like bacon, ham, and sausage), poultry (chicken and turkey), also offal, which, true to its name, means entrails and organs—in practical terms, that’s liver, heart, kidneys, pancreas, blood, thymus, brains, stomach, feet, tongue, tail, as well as the head, and eyeballs. They also looked at eggs and dairy.

Which was most significantly associated with the risk of developing lymphoma? Red meat, processed meat, poultry, offal, eggs, or milk?

It was poultry consumption—associated with a significantly increased risk of non-Hodgkins lymphoma, all grades of follicular lymphoma, B-cell lymphomas in general, including B-cell chronic lymphatic leukemia, including small lymphocytic leukemia and prolymphocytic lymphocytic leukemia.

Up to triple the rates for every 50 grams of daily poultry consumption. A cooked chicken breast averages over 200 grams; so that’s for just a quarter of a chicken breast worth of poultry.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by veganmontreal.

Please consider volunteering to help out on the site.

Images thanks to Rainer Zen, MCB,  Sun Ladder, Amidelalune, Carsten Niehaus, and Renee Comet for the National Cancer Institute via Wikimedia Commons.

Doctor's Note

Why was there so much more lymphoma and leukemia risk among those eating just a small serving of chicken a day? That’s the subject of Chicken Dioxins, Viruses, or Antibiotics?. And see Vegetarians Versus Healthy Omnivores for a discussion of overall cancer rates. The EPIC study also compared obesity rates in omnivores, flexitarians, vegetarians, and vegans. See Thousands of Vegans Studied.

For more context, check out my associated blog posts: Poultry and Penis CancerPoultry Paunch: Meat & Weight GainTreating an Enlarged Prostate With DietEating Green to Prevent CancerHow To Reduce Dietary Antibiotic Intake; and How Tumors Use Meat to Grow.

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  1. Why was there so much more lymphoma and leukemia risk among those eating just a small serving of chicken a day? That’s the subject of my next NutritionFacts.org video-of-the-day (coming on Monday). And see yesterday’s video for a discussion of overall cancer rates. The EPIC study also compared obesity rates in omnivores, flexitarians, vegetarians and vegans. See Thousands of Vegans Studied. There are also hundreds of other videos on more than a thousand subjects.

  2. Didn’t this study also find a significantly higher rate of bowel cancer among the vegetarians? What is your take on that?

    1. Dr. Greger did say the study had some interesting findings that he would address later before he quoted the conclusion in the previous video “Vegetarians Versus Healthy Omnivores”. I take that as meaning he will address that issue over the course of the next week.

      It does appear to contradict all of the common risk factors, though. “Low fiber, high fat diets. Sedentary lifestyle. Obesity. Diabetes. Smoking, and alcohol consumption” are a number of risk factors provided by the Mayo Clinic that usually aren’t attributes of vegetarians. Old age is a risk factor, perhaps mean age was higher for the vegetarian participants? Perhaps the excessive low calorie handicap (just as much fruits/veggies as omnivores) played a role. Inflammatory bowel diseases are a risk factor, which could be related to grain consumption in the vegetarian group assuming they had a gluten intolerance or celiac, diagnosed or not. There are a number of possible confounding variables, but I haven’t bothered to spoil the fun of this video series by checking myself.

    1. yes, even when you are purchasing your chickens with those labels on them the risk factors still apply. they still have the same saturated fats and cholesterol in it. it also has to do with the fecal matter the animals live in and around “cage free” doesnt mean they have much more space to move around and “organic” just means they are fed organic food.

  3. But, Dr. Greger, don’t tell me I have to give up eating my tails and eyeballs. I just love them! Jus’ kiddin’ this is another magnificent vid from you. Thanks!

  4. Have you done any videos on vegans having low white blood cell counts? My white blood cell count is 2.7 and they are sending me to an oncologist and hematologist. I hear it is common in the plant based community to be send to these specialists for low white blood cell counts.

  5. Was the amount of antibiotics and other synthetic chemicals in the chicken considered? The healthiest people on the planet eat plenty of animal products. Check out westonaprice.org.

    1. chw777: The Weston Price Foundation sounds legitimate and catches a lot of lay people. However, that group is notorious for giving out misinformation. It is filled pseudo science and outright wrong info. The Foundation does not even accurately represent the views of Weston Price as he wrote them down. If you want to learn about the ways in which you have been lied to, the following videos about the Weston Price foundation and their claims are very helpful. http://plantpositive.com/display/Search?moduleId=19496100&searchQuery=weston+price
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      After you watch a video or two from the list on the left, notice the list of videos on the right. You will see that that website also includes a whole lot of information about societies which eat a lot of meat, such as the Innuit. Even ancient Innuit mummies show signs of heart disease and cancer. And that’s not even from a very old person. Do not be fooled by the Plant Positive website name. The videos are a great scholarly work which are supported by the actual science.
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      Since you expressed an interest in the healthiest societies on the planet, I thought I would mention the Blue Zones, which are largely plant based cultures. The traditional Okinawans are one of the 4 blue zone cultures. They have one of the highest 100+ populations (and going strong at that age too). And here’s the point, the traditional Okinawans had less than 4% of their calories from animal products. If you want some quick info about the Okinawans and their diet, here is a very short NutritionFacts video: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/the-okinawa-diet-living-to-100/
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      If you are still with me, I highly recommend a summary video from NutritonFacts a great way to start to learn about the science of nutrition. It’s fun and a real eye opener: http://nutritionfacts.org/video/uprooting-the-leading-causes-of-death/ There are three other summary videos on the home page if you want to get 100% caught up.

  6. What was the source of the meats and poultry …factory farmed? This would be a key factor in these studies. What did the study have in place for controls; Smokers, non-smokers, excessive alcohol intake, sedentary/active lifestyle, levels of stress, sleep habits.

  7. Stands to reason that eliminating poultry from the diet of someone who has non-hodgkins lymphoma could improve the condition??? since follicular especially tends to ebb and flow?? Thoughts??

  8. I am trying to help a friend who is fighting 3 types of lymphoma, 2 of which are aggressive which evolved/transformed from Follicular lymphoma. Can you please tell us, what are the most potent power foods to help rebuild white blood cells after heavy hemotherapy? I know about vitamin C and selenium; is nutritional yeast good? Any recommendations are appreciated … and what about these apricot kernels i am reading about ? Safe? How many per day would be therapeutic with aggressive lymphomas?

  9. Hi, Joanne Nemia. Your friend is lucky to have a concerned and supportive person like you on his or her side! Apricot kernels have not been discussed on this site, as far as I can tell. The active ingredient in them, amygdalin, also called laetrile and “vitamin B 17” has been studied as a cancer therapy. Consuming apricot kernels can result in cyanide poisoning, and the effectiveness of apricot kernels as a cancer therapy has not been demonstrated. Given the available information, I cannot honestly tell you that there is a safe or therapeutic amount for apricot kernels. You might be interested in these:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27002407
    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00520-006-0168-9
    I don’t know of specific foods for rebuilding white blood cells after cancer treatment. A diet consisting of a variety antioxidant-rich, colorful fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, nuts and seeds is likely to be supportive for someone battling cancer. I am not aware of any special benefits from nutritional yeast, although it does provide B vitamins. I hope that helps!

  10. Hi, I am vegan 10 years. I have recently been diagnosed with indolent follicular lymphoma. (Actually I’ve had it for 8.5 years. A biopsy was mis-read as benign back then). I am told I do not need treatment at this time. I have two choices to try to get rid of it. Can you comment. 1) Supervised water-fast at True North. I have already been accepted as a good candidate but this would require at least 3 weeks away from my home in NYC and finding pet-sitters for my 4 cats. 2) Protocel, do you know anything about it? Thanks in advance.

    1. I have been taking Protocel for about a month. I see none of the positive reactions (i.e. lysing). Except for having my sleep disturbed at 3 am to take a dose, I am more skeptical than ever. This, compounded by a puzzling phone call from a lady (a “Sheridan family friend”) who when I asked her what company she was calling from, she said “the distributor”. I said you mean WebND, she said no. When I pressed her for the name of the company, she said she couldn’t disclose that because there is people out there that might want to hurt them. She said she was calling to see how I was doing with it and make any suggestions to make it work better.

      I understand from reading about the history of it in the book Outsmart Your Cancer that allegedly the NCI and NIH too great pains to thwart any peer-review studies thus there seems to have been alot of sabotage. So in a bit of desperation to “cure” myself, I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and took a chance on it, owning the distinct possibility that it was snake-oil.

      The fact that this company will not stand by their product by disclosing their name is very suspect to me. Not a good look.

      Yes I will try to get to Santa Rosa. I have one of four cats that is in end-stage kidney disease. I’m also hoping medical cannabis will help.

  11. Hi my name is Dylan and I am a registered Kinesiologist working in Canada. I am also teaching anatomy and physiology and I have a question about cardiovascular disease and the lymphatic system. My question is: How does the transportation of chylomicrons (fatty acids & triclcyercides) through lacteals to the subclavian veins (where they get dumped off) have an impact on the prevalence of cardiovascular disease in north america? I am a whole-food, plant-based supporter and love all of your work but I was hoping to find something on this topic as I have noticed that no one really talks about the connection between the physiology and anatomy of the lymphatic system and cardiovascular system. Now to my knowledge, the lymphatic system delivers fats in this order: subclavian veins – superior vena cava – right side of heart, pulmonary arteries – lungs – pulmonary veins – left side of heart – coronary arteries – aorta – to all other arteries before it can get filtered or stored. I find this quite significant as this makes perfect sense why diets high in cholesterol, fatty acids, triglycerides (most of north america) have clogged coronary arteries, carotid arteries, and an overall impaired cardio system. Now glucose and amino acids are absorbed into the cardiovascular system and are filtered first by the liver which limits the dumping of glucose in the blood stream which is significant. What I don’t understand is how no one sees how the delivery of fats (mostly bad and processed fats) could severely impair the cardiovascular system which is what your summary of the research has shown. Perhaps it is common knowledge for some professionals but I just feel like this is something that you should address because it gives individuals a clear explanation that can’t really be argued. Nutrition is slightly out of my scope but I have been curious and continually learning as much as possible. Your videos are great and I will continue to support you. Thanks and take care.

  12. Due to my employer my insurance is a very big CA based HMO that has reputation (magnified since 2010) of being extremely cheap and screwing patients whenever possible. But maintaining doctor owner bonus’ of course.
    In 2009 (late 30’s) I was Dx’d with sarcoidosis affecting lungs, spleen (3x normal size), and liver. I also at same time was Dx’d with MGUS M…but my doctors never bothered to tell me that. My M protein ranged from 2-3x+ normal ranges. They didn’t test my free chain ratio until 11/2018. Same with bone marrow which showed 3% clones. A few years before that I tested very high for EBV and ditto for Hashimoto’s. I have no thyroid; immune system reduced it to finger nail sized scar tissue. You could take my blood vial, set it on a table, and it would separate like salad dressing. Cholesterol was 300+. Liver and kidneys also not happy. My weight reflected this. My body felt as if inflamed. I’ve never felt like shit for so long a period. I used to run cross country in high school so I know pain, endurance, fighting through things.
    Doctors offered nothing but watch and wait. My pulmonary function tests were in low 90%’s. I eventually made them provide brand-name Levoxyl or Synthroid (now same company owned both patents–generic by Mylan was horrid–like a placebo–and my TSH spiked to 7+)
    The Levoxyl got me back to metabolizing.
    Then I began my own research…
    We now drink only Horizon brand milk with DHA (did you know that cheap milk producers will not separate infected mastitis cows out of the herd–since milk is pasteurized big bus doesn’t care). We buy our water and supplement that with higher alkaline bottled when out. We barely eat meat and of that beef is only a treat (either grass fed or at In and Out Burger every 3-4 months as treat as they reject questionable beef–if other fast food is good in this area let me know). I read of Leroy Nicholas DC curing cervical cancer (killing established HPV) using a cruciferous vegetable concentrate with golden seal concentrate. I will comment on HPV and why we should “Scrap The Pap” later.
    I purchased cold processed coconut and avocado oil at Costco, grape seed oil and full-spectrum Canola (Canada) and mix these as about 45% coconut, 20% each avo & grape seed, with 5% or so Canola. We also take fish oil gel tabs (both salmon and the anchovy/sardine mix).
    We consume Pom pomegranate juice along with orange, a bottled mix from Costco that has cucumber, mint, celery, etc, and the Green Machine (brand slipped mind but it’s also at Costco). Eggs organic free range only (free range now law here in CA). We generally avoid processed meats. We eat a lot of salads mixes with cabbage etc, different colors, vegetarian soups, lentils, etc.
    We also never lack for treats. We eat plenty of chocolate (mostly dark but not more than 70%), we practically drink the oil mixture (go through 1.75L in 2-3 weeks), we put shelled hemp, chia, you name it, on just about everything. And blueberries. We eat full fat organic yogurt. We drink as good coffee as we can find (never solvent based decaf if you must Swiss Water process from Vancouver BC Canada-best water-only) with 1/2&1/2 and chocolate almond or soy. We eat a lot of tofu. Organic cottage cheese (full or 2% organic if affordable). We use mascarpone cheese on what doesn’t get the oil mix.
    We cut back on sugar (only use turbinate if needed). Using King Arthur flour that I add other grain & non-grains to. Making pancakes is like concocting a nuke bomb. Oatmeal is never boring; it’s a meal. I add sunflower seeds, but mainly use pumpkin seeds, cashews too and all raw if possible. I don’t know how many years ago I opened a cube of butter. Our cooked veggies are covered with oil, coconut flour, salt, pepper, honey, and a spice called Chef’s Shake. Like I said, almost every meal is a chomping feast. We don’t lack for food nor food choices. We use whip cream can for pancakes along with real grade B maple syrup.
    We also take a food-based vitamin from Costco (or Focus Smart), 1200mg soy lecithin, 500mg lysine, milk thistle, ginseng or maca, Q-10, minerals (calcium magnesium zinc but I can’t have calcium so I use Calm drink mix for magnesium and zinc tabs, biotin for hair (trying to keep it), Reishi, taurine, brand Mucinex (generic a waste), DHA, DHEA, acetyl l-carnitine with alpha lipoic acid, golden seal. We may not take everything every day. We have sex as often as possible. Baby aspirin daily. Stopped Rx anti-inflammatories and cox-2 inhibitors.
    The hemp, chocolate, oil, these seemed to satisfy our bodies. Then I got my medical marijuana card.
    I began with Endoca CBD/CBDA cold processed cannibis sativa oil; 1 drop=5mg I use 3 1-2x day. I purchased a c-cell battery for a CBD cartridge (we refill the cartridge with Endoca) and this we vaporize PRN. We are positive Endoca oral and vaporized had most positive effects on body. Cravings for shit foods are gone. Finally purchased ice cream on date night (1pt split over 3 days vs 1/2 gallon every 2 weeks long ago; went 6 months w/o any at all).
    My pulmonary tests after 3months CBD oral and vapor went from low 90%’s to 96%, then 107% and now 134%. My lung nodules are gone; around 10 remain and these have shrunk. The main >1cm nodule appears to have gone anorexic!!!
    I have a chronic lung (not mouth) yeast infection thanks to Rx asthma powders. My oral fluconazole needs are 25% historically (only Teva brand never Greenstone).
    We also use flower products in the vaporizer (I like the DaVinci best & dislike overrated Pax3 most). Celebrity Jack, Candy Jack, Private Jack (all great for wake up w/o getting stoned or glazed, and also for nighttime breathing), Skunky Jack’s plus here is sex! Not Black Jack nor Jack Herer effects eyes too much. These have helped my asthma most next to CBD.
    I did not get much benefit out of Charlotte’s Web liquid drops nor any CBD product that is shelf stable. Whole plant cold processed where you fridge it once opened works best. It tastes like hay & mud mixed together–coffee will wash it off tongue.
    There are different flower products for pain, anxiety, sex, sleep, being creative, even waking up. We use mostly hybrids; salivas and few indices. Among the stars are: White Widow for migraines, Purple Panty Dropper for muscle spasms (and sex), Chocolate Hashberry (stomach, intestines, the shits), Strawberry Cough, Jilly Bean, Bull Rider, Banjo, “jack” hybrid strains above (these are kick-ass wake & bake enjoy with morning coffee), Alaska Thunder Fuck, Blueberry Muffin, Amnesia Haze, Green Crack (works for just about everything love you Snoop Dog), Black Cherry Pie, Cherry Pie (by Jim Belushi if you’re in OR), Girl Scout Cookies or Platinum Cookies (all these seem to have great values in sex and in pain control). The Dosist brand recyclable pens are great to especially on the go. They all work as advertised but I’d like to see more consistency. We rely on all. The Bliss will sooth a stressed mind. Calm is everything nice. Arouse will magnify your senses during sex. Sleep and Relief are great too! Heavy Hitter cartridges are very good quality. Their Super Lemon Haze cartridge can get a corpse aroused. Blue Dream adds just that wonderful thing to sex.
    For sex women can tolerate high THC but men can’t. It won’t happen. THC delays orgasm. For women who are multi it just adds to fun. For men, the right amount is ahhh sooo screaming good. Edibles are fantastic too. The Karova edibles prior to CA going recreational were super for sex. Right now though, still searching.
    If you’re sensitive to THC, go very slow. Too much and you’ll experience spasms, pain, and panic.
    PLEASE NOTE: When you begin CBD vaporizing, go slow. Drink some coffee first to coat throat. At first it’s very harsh feeling (which is why I also can’t tolerate bong smoking (carcinogens) and the oil or hash smoke is extremely irritating to throat. Don’t drive on that. Don’t drive until you feel you can tolerate any of these. Rinse your mouth with Listerine Herbal high alcohol content removes residues (kills yeast too). CBD oral or vapor will calm your body equal to 2.5mg brand Valium. But w/o side-effects.
    The anti-inflammatory effects are incredible. I mix up a combo of Cannatonic, Cannacopia, Calm 101, Ringo’s Gift, Harlequin (sometimes crossed with Girl Scout Cookies strain), AC/DC, Tesla, Jelly Fish, Super Silver Haze,…I use these in combo with another for desired effect. Wife has become aroused off high-CBD strains but I don’t.
    CBD/THC up regulates seratonim. For me, it works 1000x better than ANY brand or generic antidepressant.
    You’ve heard how Tumeric kills cancer, fungus, bacteria, virus’ etc. CBD shows similar actions. THC kills cancer by modulating cancer cells to uptake more of (can’t find name but it starts with an “a”). What happens is the cell uptakes, then its cell wall becomes very porous, its mitochondria begins to pump out cell material necessary for its ability to uptake and process energy (did you know cancer cells have 11x more insulin receptors than normal cells). The cancer cell goes to normal apoptsis (natural cell death).
    My case, having Dx’d with sarcoidosis and MGUS M would make me around the 15th patient with these. Besides EBV, I also tested positive for Cytomegalo virus IgG (spelling correction needed).
    First time in 25 years I’ve felt healthy.
    When hospitalized last Sept, a nurse put my IV into my left bicep using ultrasound guidance. I watched. She was amazed to see how CLEAN my artery and vein was–after I told her my story. My current lipid profile is 149 cholesterol, with associated high:low ratio and cardiac risk too low to be counted. My wife’s is even lower and she’s overweight.
    I want to also note that since I was never informed of the MGUS dehydration risks, or of taking supplemental vitamin D or calcium, I went into kidney failure last year (16gfr). I have rebounded to 55gfr in six months. My urine protein is at high normal, my free light chain ration is at 2:1, other indicators are at or near high normal. My only problem is a 100 spike in LDH (was 180 now 280). Gonna have ultrasound to check spleen (finally after 10yrs of nothing).
    My dry eyes are better. Dry mouth and lungs better. This is first year in 10 that I didn’t develop pneumonia over winter.
    The CBD/THC vapors expand your lungs and help clear whatever gunk you have.
    My last marrow biopsy had 3% clones.
    RE HPV. Do not consent to 53% accuracy pap. Currently there’s the Delphi Screener and there was, through 2012, the Trovagene urine based hpv test. Delphi uses a 5cc saline syringe. In privacy you insert, depress, then retract, then remove. It washes your cervical mucus; which you collect and mail off for processing. Trovagene had you keep sample from first morning urine. You mix it with preservative and ship via FedEx. $140 insurance or $120 cash. Two weeks later using PCR and antibody pickup you get results. Both Delphi and Trovagene are 93+% accurate.
    Pap fails on these levels. First, there is no agreement on protocols. A computer algorithm processes the slides. Some humans or a machine resample those slides that are kicked out, fail, or Dx’d as CIN. Some protocols have machines that automatically score anything rejected as CIN, using fear to bring patient back to stirrups.
    That’s not all. If you scrape your knee, do you use a non-sterile wooden stick to clean it off? NO! That invites infection. Same with pap. If a woman has pap, the “scrape” forcibly removes a circle of the single layer epithelial defensive tissue around the os of the cervix. Doctors are trained to “draw blood.” If none is drawn then not enough tissue has been removed. A scraped knee is best washed (like Delphi screener does to your cervix). The presence of HPV in your urine shows that antibodies of the infection can be properly and accurately collected elsewhere w/o the degrading, physical painful, and embarrassing pap.
    As for the internal, or rectovaginal exam? These allow a doc to feel your the first 2″ of your uterus and possibly your ovaries—-but ONLY if the woman is petite, w/o giving birth, and skinny. Every woman can testify to long thorough exams when young but a near inability to have a doctor perform exam when older and needing help. The perversions in a pelvis? Never go alone and have your partner watch the doctor.
    I know doctors in CA state prison who misbehaved. Naga Thota MD is one of them. Jeffrey Abrams MD is another. Read their stories.
    If you have colposcopy they use not only the horrible alligator steel chopper to painfully remove tissue but also “brushes” with either steel or brass spikes built into and hidden by the nylon bristles. These poke your endocervical canal and insert virus there as much a small pox virus is like wise forced into your arm. Fascinating to know these things eh? What we aren’t told…
    Doctors bullshit a pap as if you need it more than oxygen but they don’t tell you the fine print they learn in med school.
    Did you know MediCare won’t pay for pap? Yeah. That’s true.
    If you’re “positive” with whatever number or letter they assign, your doctor will say you definitely have HPV. Or some other chronic condition. Did s/he tell you that insurance rarely covers DNA on your pap if it’s CIN or dysplasia? The doctor must request and it must be coverable or it’s not done.
    HPV thrives in bathrooms, on any surface we touch, fingernails/cuticles, and un-circumcized penis’. All the talk about “not to cut…” Unless an “uncut” man is willing to wash his penis head with Hibiclens don’t screw nor blow nor touch. That’s a positive start anyway.
    So, if the previous patient was infected, and after urinating fails to properly wash hands, then touches everything in the room (with twat juices mixing with KY on that flimsy paper, well you get it. You’re next!
    Women will usually fight off HPV over 2 years. That is, if their bodies are strong and if their cervix is left to do its job.
    As for pain? A cervix is every bit as sensitive to touch as is a penis. Only a man in STI pain will allow a sample to be taken…try inserting a q-tip in a man’s urethra and see how fast he leaves the room.
    Doctors like to tell women “best time is now” as much as clinics like to brag of wiping 75% of HPV out of the local community. Doctors are obligated to perform a certain number of cryosurgeries, LEEP’s, and cold-knife carvings each year to maintain their licenses. The latter two procedures will earn the most $$ and keep you beholden the most to dear old doc. Cryo is least destructive but watch the video on youtube. LEEP and cold knife are “amputations” and patients will have problems carrying a child to term afterward. Cryo patients will “grow it back”. However, the procedure is grisly and I wonder seriously why two applications of freeze at a time are performed.
    And pain? Trust me, I’m married, and my wife says it hurts like hell. She had it done before we met. Her pre-op records do NOT contain a DNA confirmation of HPV. I’ve looked.
    Delphi and Trovagene are passive painless done in privacy 93% accurate collection tests. Pap during the scrape phase is destructive and directly inserts virus into cervix. Then if the glass slide isn’t properly “smeared” with cervix tissue and fixed with spray the test is a waste of time. Now you understand how it’s only 53% accurate. Imagine how many women leave thinking they’re negative when actually positive and vice-versa!
    Trovagene discontinued it’s urine-based HPV test after 2012. Why? Due to “lack of interest.” Had it been advertised every office would have had to switch protocols and the pap gang would be out of business. Out of thrills too. And no more ongoing reasons to ask about our sex lives. To women (and men) reading this; what test would you prefer?
    To date, no doctor has ever debated me on pap vs alternatives. A 53% accurate test cannot be defended. I got my info on pap’s shortcomings from UC Berkely med school text, Trovagene, and from an Australian pathologist letter to the editor in September 2016. His letter was printed in what I remember as the Sydney Morning Herald.
    BTW, if you have MGUS make sure you’re tested for Epstein-Barr virus plus others. EBV is primarily responsible for the chronic irritation and inflammation of our immune systems and hence also a precursor for lymphoma or mylemoma.
    I appreciate everybody’s patience. We’re also born again. I participate in Eucharistic Adoration every week. We’re positive several miracles have been granted.

  13. If you’re trying to lose weight, look for those marijuana strains that are high in THCV. This compound vaporizes around 429’F. The max our vaporizer does is 410’F. I’m positive so is wife that in using CBD orally and vaporizing, plus vaporizing THC flower (or combo CBD/THC flower) has helped us lose weight, not have cravings, and get our bodies out of inflammatory state. We noticed it about 3-4 months after starting. We can now draw in a full breath of Endoca when vaporized in c-cell cartridge. If just feels good and soothing. I rarely use my asthma escape inhaler anymore. From 3x weekly to 1x monthly.
    Research med marijuana for your condition. Endoca is legal in all 50 states. Begin there. To keep dropper bottle from leaking screw lid on then fully depress bulb and release. The bulb will expel air and suck up liquid in its place, maintaining a good seal.
    If you do use generics at your pharmacy, insist on special ordering a brand (even a generic) that works for you. Cheap shit generics are just that. Cheap shit. You may get a successful prior authorization if you first prove the generic failed to help. Unless you’re a member of same HMO I mentioned earlier. Then your work seems to never be done even if you prevail.
    If you don’t already, teach yourself medical terminology and learn to read and interpret everything your doctor says. You must be able to communicate and understand terms. If you don’t know yourself, don’t blame the doctor.
    Re vaccines? I absolutely believe, based on my own reactions, that lacing these with mercury and aluminum (which are very neurotoxic) hurts more than they help. I personally had a much better flu vaccine response when I did the live nasal vaccine vs any injection.
    Your kids? If they must be injected, carry ice packs to temporarily numb the site. The trauma prevented is worth it.
    My marrow biopsy included IV sedation. I have IV’s done with lido so I don’t go into flight/fight reaction. In my biopsy, I received both ativan and fentanyl via IV. I’d never do it again without those; and I’m very grateful to my health plan for that option.
    My health plan wouldn’t be that awful if it ran its pharmacies ethically.
    If you can somehow minimize the inflammatory process, or neutralize the virus’ you can positively effect your quality of life.
    Recently I read online how EBV has 4 stages. I’d tend to agree with that.

  14. So, i’m looking for anything related to Lymphoma low grade (NHL)…just been diagnosed. I want to help myself, so any info or videos, or advice would greatly be appreciated. I’m in the uk and the NHS has been brilliant so far…bone marrow test in two weeks, then a MDT discussion about my case…so until then I want to do the best I can for my body! I saw the video on prostrate cancer and eating broccoli, pomegranate, green tea and turmeric, and was wondering if eating a little of that each day will have the same effect on my Lymphoma? Anyway, Thanks in advance. Claire

    1. Hello Claire,

      I’m terribly sorry to hear about your diagnosis, but I’m glad that you seem to be in good spirits and optimistic.
      I would definitely start by watching the video “How Not To Die From Cancer”, which I have linked below to get an idea of the power a plant-based diet can have over our health, with regards to cancer. While NHL hasn’t been discussed in depth on Nutritionfacts.org, there is a section in Dr. Greger’s bestselling book, “How Not To Die” that talks specifically about blood cancers, so if you have not yet read it, I would highly suggest it. Ultimately, there are specific foods like green tea, turmeric, etc. that have cancer fighting properties, but I believe an overall, whole foods, plant-based diet is the greatest tool we have in the fight against chronic disease, including cancer. Please discuss plant-based nutrition as an option with your physician.

      I hope this helps,
      Matt, Health Support.

      https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-not-to-die-from-cancer/

      1. Kinda, :) I’m already eating whole foods and plants. (read the book, have the cook book) I was also looking for any specific foods, you’ve mentioned green tea and turmeric. Thank you. :) Video was useful too. just need to really up my game I think.

        Thanks again for you info.
        Claire

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