Doctor's Note

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  • rscoggin

    So, checked out the American Egg board website and found this page:

    http://www.incredibleegg.org/health-and-nutrition/cracking-the-cholesterol-myth

    They say – “More than 40 Years of Research Supports the Role of Eggs in a Healthy Diet”. Based on this exchange, how can they say this?

    I do note they say, “Studies demonstrate that healthy adults can enjoy an egg a day without increasing their risk for heart disease, particularly if individuals opt for low cholesterol foods throughout the day.”

    LOL – you can have an egg but you better give up all animal products after that till the next day :)

    R

    • Kitsy Hahn

      “LOL – you can have an egg but you better give up all animal products after that till the next day :)”

      And maybe that’s not such a bad idea.. ;-)

      • http://www.getorganized6s.com/ Tammy Bridenbeck

        and then when that egg starts moving thru, evacuate the neighborhood.

    • sheller

      …part of a balanced breakfast.

      • Han

        Now I visualise something with scales. Healthy stuff on the one side, unhealthy stuff on the other.

    • http://about.me/cybergabi cybergabi

      Perhaps because the website copy hasn’t been funded by public money.

    • Katherine

      Hi rs. To respond to your question, how can the American Egg Board say that over 40 yrs of research supports the role of eggs in a healthy diet? Here’s how: First, notice they’re not saying ‘supports the healthy role of eggs in the diet…’ The adjective, ‘healthy,’ describes the diet, not the eggs. It is true that if you’re eating an otherwise healthy diet you can get away with eating small components that aren’t so healthy (e.g. eggs).

      So what “role” might eggs play in an otherwise healthy diet? Some ideas: Eggs might be convenient; they might add flavor diversity to a meal and color to a plate; they can act as binding agents in baked goods. These roles have nothing to do with promoting good health, and all these roles can be fulfilled more safely by plant-based foods, but they are ‘roles,’ nevertheless.

      Notice that the American Egg Board’s statement cannot be contested as false. They’ve found a way to be technically truthful, while causing many readers, including you, to think they’re saying something they’re not. This skill is a technique of successful advertising, and we should all become aware of it. We, the public, can benefit by learning to read carefully and think critically about what others, be they industries agencies or individuals, are actually saying as opposed to what they want us to think they’re saying.

      • rscoggin

        Wow, so true how they lined that up. Thanks, Katherine!

      • Ruby

        yes but it’s an error to say it supports a healthy diet when it actually detracts from it. A glass of fresh OJ would suport a healthy diet. Eggs would detract. The sentence is still in error completely, no matter how one dances with it gramatically,

        • Katherine

          Hi Ruby, You have not quoted their sentence accurately, but are assuming the sentence says something it actually does not say; please read it again. The Egg Board does not say that egg “supports a healthy diet.” It says, “research supports the role of eggs in a healthy diet.” You are imagining this to mean “research supports the (healthy and supportive) role of eggs in a healthy diet. But the sentence could also (more accurately) mean, “research supports the (cultural) role of eggs in an (otherwise) healthy diet. My point stands.

          • Ruby

            Katherine
            you speak like a spinner of obfuscation and I will leave you to your
            yawning mental gymnastic and word insertions to support a sentecnce
            which in itself, with your description, is essentially nonsensicle,
            at best. Inserting words to convey what irratinality ‘could be’
            inserted as purported meaning is bizarre mental gymnastics Katherine.
            I’ll leave your lawyering councel of the writer alone and just
            suggest the floor would be wiped with your stance in any court with a
            modicum of prudence. But to parry just a bit here, I’ll say this;
            surely research does not support the role of eggs in a healthy diet.
            On the other hand, perhaps culture does. And surely big business
            does. But the sentece does not say culture supports that role, and
            surely, since you like insertions, “big business” could also be
            inserted. But it says research, Katherine RESEARCH supports egg’s
            role in a healthy diet. To suggest culture supports this role would
            perhaps be more honest, because you’re probably right that the writer
            hoped this bizarre and foundationless argument could be used as
            defence. While culture and big business may surely support the role
            of eggs in a healthy diet, research, most assurely, does not suport
            egg’s role in a heathy diet. Conversely, as I said, it detracts from
            it. It’s thus a lie. I’ll leave you where you stand councelor. Adieu.

          • Katherine

            Hi Ruby, I’m on your side, not the egg industry’s; apologies if I offended you. The egg industry used language in a crafty way, to mislead without technically lying. My reply on this public forum was mostly for readers who’d be interested in seeing how they did this. Again, no offense intended.

          • Ruby

            Greetings fellow vegan. ;) No insult taken nor intended and no feathers ruffled on more than on rational debate terms and as such perhaps competative but all in good sport. I like a good debate. Gets the fires going. I’ll just say your comment sounded a lot like rational defence, not shining a light on intensional obfuscation of misinformation, which I still stand is exactly what that sentence was and should have been seen as such. I also don’t see how arguing their shinanigans helps clarify anything worth clarifying, and instead seems to help their cause by dignifying the bull by addressing it as if it is anything but bull. And I stand by my argument as well that the grammar you pointed out as making the statement by any stretch a truth, rather than a lie, also holds no water, to my sensibilities, despite that it was such an obscure construction of a sentence it slipped through the cracks of attention to that fact. That’s why it did, not because it is in any way gramatically correct, much less so because of the insertion of random adjectives . .but we can agree to disagree and steep in the pool of consciousness it brings up like tea and see what smells it conjures in time. . .Cheery toodles and oodles of respect despite differences.. ;)

          • Tom Goff

            “Incredible” literally means “unbelievable” so they are technically correct in saying what they do! Of course, they rely on people assuming the slang meaning of “incredible” is intended… ie amazing or very.

      • Thea

        Katherine: Your post about the wording of the egg board about the role of eggs is so well done! You explain calmly and clearly. Thanks for taking the time.

      • Ruby

        Greetings dear Katherine, fellow vegan. I know you got this in your email box today but. . . . since this backs up the foundation of my entire comment to you, I had to put it here to make the veracity of my point crystal as verified in the info contained in the link. No nose rubbing intended – we are indeed on the same side – we both win on this one. I hope you can now see as well, my contensions shared on this topic, are varified from this link: http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/03/06/egg-industry-caught-making-false-claims/

        Namaste my new friend and truth seeker/scrounger. ;))

      • DWS

        I think you shoud look closer at the studies suggesting eggs are not healthy – I think you will find they were paid for by Kelloggs. When you consider the effect of vast amounts of lobbying cash thrown into the mix from the processed food industry, you start to realise that most of what we have been told is healthy or unhealthy for the last 40 years has been complete lies.

        Eggs are the very symbol of life, and they contain everything needed to grow an embryo into a chick, and to believe otherwise means you have been successfully indoctrinated into the world of large profits and sick people.

        • katherine

          Hi DWS, I side with what you’re saying in general about the powerful hand of industry and profit motives that have guided our health (mis)education.* I also agree with you that eggs are a powerful symbol of life, and they contain everything needed to grow an embryo into a chick. But what do either of these things have to do with determining whether or not eggs are a healthy food for human beings? Every species has its own ideal diet; we feed eggs to dogs, but not to rabbits or horses. The question you are raising is whether or not human physiology is designed to thrive on eggs. The evidence I have come to trust says no, human beings are not designed to thrive on eggs (or any other common animal protein and animal fat sources in the modern western diet). Eggs are perfect for developing chicks, just as cow’s milk is perfect for growing baby calves. We are a different species and have our own ideal requirements… which appear to be plant-based.

          *That’s one reason I salute Dr. Greger and nutritionfacts.org— they do such an excellent job of examining the studies (funding sources, study designs, and paper trails of correspondence through the Freedom of Information Act) so the rest of us don’t have to! (Thanks again, Dr. Greger!!)

          • DWS

            Yes, every species has different dietary requirements, because they have evolved different digestive systems to suit different environments, but at the cellular level we are all remarkably similar, all made from eukaryotic cells. That is why a very basic food. such as an egg; evolved to feed an embryo before it has a digestive system, is highly nutritious to a great many other species. Dietary “science” has been hijacked by the processed food industry for a very long time, so you can’t just accept what you are told by authority because they all have their own agendas – you have to actually understand the biology.

            If humans were “supposed” to be vegatarians, then we would have a much larger gut for fermentation, like cows do, and vegetarians and vegans would not be deficient in B12, B6 etc.

            You should look into ancient paleontology – you will be suprised to know that humans were far healthier when we were hunter-gatherers – eating mostly meat. Human health declined significantly once we started farming around 10,000 years ago.

            http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/low-carb-diets/nutrition-and-health-in-agriculturalists-and-hunter-gatherers/

  • Egg head

    My husband eats lots of eggs….and I have to cook them…but they always smell so bad …and I literally can’t stand the smell..I’m going to show him this article..

    • Katherine

      Hello ‘Egg head,’ Why do you say you “have to cook” your husband’s eggs? I suggest you don’t have to at all.

      My own journey to food education took this path: as I grew more educated about food and its relationship to health I reached a point where I gave up animal foods entirely because it had become so clear to me, both scientifically and empirically, that this group of foods was unhealthy. I pointed out to my husband that his food choices were his own and he was free to prepare and consume whatever he chose to, but I would no longer be buying, cooking, or preparing foods that I believed were damaging his body as well as mine. Instead, I put time and energy into finding delicious new recipes for both of us to enjoy, while allowing him space to come on board (or not) in his own time in his own way.

      Truthfully, I don’t understand how people can keep serving their loved ones foods that they’re convinced promote chronic diseases and early death. I can’t. As I see it, it’s not about forcing others to change, nor about being unwilling to serve others; it’s about acting in accordance with your own beliefs and values… about choosing the road that leads to greatest benefit overall. If there’s merit in this road, others will discover it in time and be grateful that you became their role model. Change has to start somewhere. You know the phrase, “Be the change you want to see.” So let’s go for it!

      • Cunny

        So instead of grabbing him some bacon while your already at the shop you refuse and make him go all the way down there himself. This just seems ridiculous.

        • b00mer

          Hi Cunny, would you consider it ridiculous if someone refused to purchase cigarettes for their husband even though they were ‘already at the shop’? Bacon and cigarettes contain the same class of carcinogenic compound (nitrosamines).

          If Katherine’s husband were to go to the trouble of going to the store on his own to purchase cigarettes (or bacon), then that is his decision. She is not responsible for his action and is not forcing him to do anything. Blaming her for him “having to go to the store”, for something as trivial as bacon, actually seems ridiculous to me.

          • Britannia Leigh

            I know you didn’t ask me but I would say that yes, I would find it ridiculous if my significant other refused to purchase an item for me while he or she was already at the store. That is just flat out rude and thoughtless (if not intentionally spiteful). Preparing that item is another matter entirely, but forcing your significant other to make an entirely separate trip to the store for an item that they want just because YOU don’t want to buy it is the behavior of a self-righteous jackass. That definitely isn’t the kind of change I’d like to see in anyone.

          • b00mer

            Well, different strokes for different folks I guess. While I never bugged him to quit, I never bought chewing tobacco for my significant other. From my perspective I’m thinking about our future together, our kids, our grandkids, and all the plans we have. I just wouldn’t contribute to my partner poisoning himself (specifically with carcinogens) and cutting either his lifespan or healthspan prematurely short. I don’t think of it as being self-righteous, I think of it as caring for someone you love. One could even say that the other person voluntarily consuming carcinogens on a regular basis is acting in a selfish manner. And again, I was never forcing him to go to the store, spend hundreds of dollars a month on literal poisonous garbage, and chew it. Those were his choices. I am happy to say he quit on his own accord. I still swell with pride a little just typing that, as it was one of the hardest things he’s ever done. But his quitting, along with his chewing, was entirely his choice, his actions, his doing. I’m in the same boat as Katherine, I do the meal planning, the shopping, and cook delicious and nourishing food for him every day of the week. I of course cater to his tastes and preferences, he really likes mexican food for example. If that makes me a jackass in your mind, so be it. We’re healthy and happy.

          • jazzfeed

            I hear you but it sounds a little one-dimensional. My comment is above.

          • Ruby

            So you’d go purchase the gun he intended to kill himself with then? All these colors we are painting here. …

          • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

            Agreed. Had my father refused to buy my mom cigarettes when he quit himself for reasons of cost, she might well be alive today…as he is.

          • b00mer

            So sorry about your mom. And for your dad, and for your whole family. These diseases are so devastating, and yet so common and almost expected in our culture.

          • Ruby

            I hear that. And see how this person feels and what they are saying? You buying the gun/egg/meat may well be seen by others as an aid to death and disease. Out of LOVE refrain. It to me shows a depth of love – while the attitude of militancy and anger with it is not done from a sweet heart, this refraining seems to be wholly heart centered. That’s my 2 cents.

        • jazzfeed

          This is a test of your conviction about, “What is bacon?” and “Should I eat bacon?” If you are personally convinced eating bacon creates a higher risk of damaging your health (sooner or later) than not eating it, than you also believe it would add to your husband’s risk factors. You know this and it is your defense for the inconvenience. A potential bonus is that over time he will eat less bacon because he’ll have to remember to buy it all the time when he’s been used to you buying it for him. But that’s not why you cannot bring home the bacon; by itself it would be manipulative. You don’t need that as a justification for wanting to shield him from harm. How can he argue with the integrity of this manifestation of your love?

        • Ruby

          You want to aid an abed his life draining away? YOU take the responsibility. I’d not do it either, not out of militancy, but I’d no sooner help someone I loved hang himself either. Sounds like you would as long as it could be painted in a different light – it’s called denial.

      • Tammie

        Katherine,
        I couldn’t agree more! When I began to understand the truth and travesty behind the Western diet I cleaned out my cupboards and refrigerator and threw out anything toxic or made from an animal. My eyes were opened and I became compassionate towards all living creatures and educated myself about the ingredients in processed foods. I told my husband that he didn’t have to follow me but if he wanted to continue eating flesh and processed foods that he would have to make these things for himself. Long story short. ….eventually his eyes were opened and he has been a vegan for six years now.

        • Katherine

          Great to hear your story, Tammy. Thanks for sharing!

      • Ruby

        Amen sister.

    • Richard

      Stop your complaining! You eat the bacon he brings home, right?

    • jones

      My heart doctor told me to eat the eggs they keep the hdl up and the bad down , said they are having new thanking to ward eggs. am not blocks any were , and have eat eggs for many years

      • COfeline

        jones, medical doctors only get about 4 hours of nutrition education in school and what they do get is from the pharmaceutical, meat and dairy industries that provide all the materials. The last person I would trust with my nutrition is an MD unless I knew they were eating a healthy plant-based diet themselves. This may sound cynical but heart doctors make about $50,000+ for each bypass surgery they do and the more they do in a day, they more they get paid.

      • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

        Show your doctor this article published in the Canadian Journal of Cardiology:

        Dietary cholesterol and egg yolks: Not for patients at risk of vascular disease

        J David Spence, MD, FRCPC, David JA Jenkins, MD, PhD, FRCP, and Jean Davignon, MD, MSc, FRCPC

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2989358/

        FYI One of the authors, David Jenkins, is one of the inventors of the Glycemic Index.

    • Ruby

      I love them but I get inflamation immediately, so they’re a no go because inflamation is the body’s way of saying “that hurt me”

    • judy

      Do you have to cook them because he’s handicapped?

  • Gail E Dawson

    but what do you say? I no longer believe anything that comes from the government.

    • Richard

      How old are you ten? The USDA has been putting out misinformation for as many decades as I have been able to read. Both the FDA and USDA see their primary purpose in life as supporting industry. Only during the 70s while Carter was president was there anyone looking out for the consumer at USDA.

      • Tommasina

        Richard, we try to keep this a safe environment for everyone to voice their thoughts. We welcome vigorous debate of the science, but to make NutritionFacts.org a place where people feel comfortable posting without feeling attacked, we have no tolerance for ad hominem attacks or comments that are racist/misogynist/homophobic/vulgar or otherwise inappropriate. We’ve gotten more sensitive to this after a physician who graciously donated his time to answer people’s questions stopped contributing because of the acrid atmosphere. So please, for everyone’s benefit, help us foster a community of mutual respect.

      • Ruby

        I agree you should amend this comment to say your peace respectfully. It seems rather rude and unnecessarily pejorative Sir Richard. Can you not make a point and deliver it without violence? The inabilty shows your lack of intelligence. I’ll delete this when you do. ;)

      • Joevegan

        Intellectual intimidation is not a valid scientific argument.

    • jones

      yes I don’t eather, on link they show a program on on the chemical on veg. lo which is going to kill first the chemical or eggs

  • bob

    A guy on Dr. Oz’s show says that eggs are the best food on earth and all those Canadians who say otherwise are paid shills of the medical profession. In his video on YouTube, he goes on for 10 minutes about this and then clarifies that eggs have to be eaten raw, that cooked eggs cause heart disease. My jaw dropped. Where do they find these people!?

    • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

      Dr. Oz’s habit of airing “alternative views” is getting dangerous.

      Got a link for that video?

      • b00mer

        He’s really just a tv version of those magazines you see in the checkout: “lose 28 lbs by christmas!” … when it happens to be ten days away…

        It’s a pity. He has such a following and such influence, he could really make a big difference for a lot of people, if he presented real nutritional information. But again, you’ve got to have something “new!” and “amazing!”. Telling people to eat their fruits and vegetables for an hour five days a week probably wouldn’t go over too well with the network powers that be. It’s got to be that one magic fruit from god knows where that costs twenty dollars a pound that you can eat a teaspoon of once a day that’ll make the pounds melt off.

        • anothereason

          It’s a national sensationalism. Capitalism does that. We live for money essentially. Ethics are being paid off in many cases. The truth has to be fought for. Period.

        • beccadoggie10

          I lost 20 pounds in 10 days after purchasing and reading Neal Barnard’s book, “Foods That Fight Pain.” I had fractured my lumbar spine the first time, and had severe pain. The physician-neurosurgeon recommended to me wanted to inject corticoid steroids in my spine every couple of months to reduce the pain. Corticoid steroids have been found to be one of the links to osteoporosis, and every doctor I went to, injected me with it whenever something was inflamed.
          I obviously was not interested, and after reading the book decided it was worth a try. I tried his short term diet of eliminating certain foods for 3 weeks and lost a huge amount of weight. When I ate an egg in wheat bread again, all the pain returned and then some, so I went back to eating vegan for relief.
          After 5 months, I had lost 65 pounds and despite adding nuts and seeds to my diet, the weight has stayed off, and the pain and inflammation has mostly disappeared.
          Point is: changing from a meat/dairy/egg/fish consuming diet to healthy vegan is the easiest way for me to lose weight and keep it off. Now, 2 years later, I am still fracturing bones, but my bones are rebuilt faster because I eat calcium-magnesium rich — bone healthy–foods in cups rather than 1/2 cup servings and I select the vegetables and fruit I need for bone health rather than buying processed junky foods to destroy my health.
          My physicians and surgeons have told me that they never saw anyone build bone as fast as I after the initial fracture. While another looked at my blood work and was amazed at the results. My bad cholesterol was now way down from 300 to 100 and all my other test readings were right on…in the healthy normal range.
          Dr Oz is not glorifying this nutritional information. With many things, I’ve found some foods that really work well to help me regain my health. Of course, weight bearing exercise is also crucial.
          I’m using a “Pilates” strap for much of my exercise now, but am starting a Physical Therapy Pilates with a private instructor next week.

          • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

            Congrats on your improving health! Info about your bones is an encouraging myth-buster!!

        • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

          Amen to that, b00mer!

      • jones

        ye s you right about dr oz we do need amino acid tryptophan

      • beccadoggie10

        Dr Oz interviews people with different views on this show, which provides more balance than preaching only one view point. For example, a Dr. David Perlmutter, an empowering and enlightened neurologist, and author of GrainBrain who has a tendency to recommend eating animal products, at least that’s what I thought I heard on PBS. But, his web site tells a slightly different story. http://www.drperlmutter.com/

        As for the videos with alternative views, Dr. OZ has been introducing whole foods, such as apples to reduce statin drugs, and other natural remedies and foods to reduce pharmaceuticals. Check out:
        Foods That Might Prevent Heart Disease Better Than Statins, Pt 1

        http://www.doctoroz.com/episode/thing-more-powerful-you-statins

        The statin makers are obviously not too happy about people learning about alternatives to reduce cholesterol. They want to ignored the bad side effects that have been documented with statins and keep selling them.

        http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-oz-reveals-cholesterol-lowering-diet

        • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

          Giving airtime to dangerous people, like Perlmutter is ‘providing balance’?? It’s more like ensuring ratings.

          There’s no better way to guarantee dementia than by clogging up the arteries to the brain with atheromas filled with cholesterol and destroying brain cells a series of strokes and mini-strokes.

          He’s a disgrace to his chosen field of neurology as was Atkins to the field of cardiology. There are a few disease states for which a ketogenic or low-carbohydrate diet is a treatment, but those dietary treatments come with side effects. He has no business recommending such a regimen to the general public.

          You do know that PBS pledge specials are not vetted for scientific accuracy, right. With all due respect to Drs. Fuhrman and Barnard, they are glorified infomercials, self-financed by the producer, NOT by PBS or affiliate stations.

          Meanwhile, I’m sure Big Pharma is shaking in their boots that Dr. Oz told his viewers to eat an apple a day to avoid statins. It takes a primarily plant-based entire DIET to avoid statins, not a single dessert or snack swap.

  • Irwin Tyler

    (1) My understanding of cholesterol physiology is that most body cholesterol is manufactured by the body itself and that when we ingest cholesterol the body reduces its own manufacture of cholesterol to compensate. This means that the cholesterol content of a food is not a primary indicator of what happens to the body’s cholesterol levels. (2) There are credible scientific studies that question TOTAL cholesterol as a valid measurement of heart and vascular risk. The USDA and FDA concerns do not focus on the more reliable indicators, which are the oxidized, I repeat “OXIDIZED” LDL and VLDL components of cholesterol rather than TOTAL cholesterol. (3) If eggs should be eliminated from the human diet because of its cholesterol content then so should shrimp, liver of any kind, the double-cheeseburger, MOST restaurant beef or turkey or chicken dishes — but you won’t see the USDA or FDA condemning these as “unhealthy”. (4) And you won’t see the USDA or FDA any time soon banning GMO vegetable and animal products until THEIR safety is assured. HMMMM, I wonder why?

    • Coacervate

      Today the eggs, tomorrow the cheeseburger. The USDA/FDA marches on

      • rscoggin

        Normal healthy adults synthesize cholesterol at a rate of approximately 1g/day and consume approximately 0.3g/day. A relatively constant level of cholesterol in the blood (150–200 mg/dL) is maintained primarily by controlling the level of de novo synthesis.

        The level of cholesterol synthesis is regulated in part by the _dietary intake of cholesterol_. Cholesterol from both diet and synthesis is utilized in the formation of membranes and in the synthesis of the steroid hormones and bile acids. The greatest proportion of cholesterol is used in bile acid synthesis.

        source: http://themedicalbiochemistrypage.org/cholesterol.php

        • Richard

          So what? The cholesterol in the egg is not the problem so why are you diverting attention away from the possible problems like animal protein and choline?

          • anotherreason

            It’s funny how you didn’t mean to but you completely understated the problems with consuming eggs. :D People act like the health debate doesn’t have a larger context sometimes. We pay for all that death and pollution and maniac behavior that IS the egg industry. That is insanity. That is a slightly different problem than the health debate about eggs, as important I might say.

    • rscoggin

      Crud, got cutoff – same source:

      Control of dietary intake is one of the easiest and least cost intensive means to achieve reductions in cholesterol.

    • Richard

      Stopping focusing on the cholesterol in eggs and look at the real possible problems…..animal protein, choline and .

      • kewlfewl

        Video was about eggs, maybe that is why? :)

        • Richard

          Your comment is rather ignorant! Do you think animal protein and choline is not in the egg? It is already a known fact by people that know how to read that consuming cholesterol is not the problem whether it be in eggs or other food…Reducing intake does not have the significant impact on blood levels that your comment suggest…

          • Richard

            Another point is that even the level of blood cholesterol from 160 to 250 is not a significant marker for heart disease. The only levels that reduced heart disease were below 150 which is usually only possible by people on a whole plant-based diet. So go ahead and eat oatmeal instead of eggs but it alone will not reduce your risk of heart disease!!!!

          • Toxins

            All animal foods contain cholesterol, and I am not advocating for eggs. I am a strong proponent of a whole foods plant based diet.

          • Toxins

            Cholesterol consumed influences cholesterol levels depending on how much cholesterol you already have at baseline.

            “Serum cholesterol concentration is clearly increased by added dietary cholesterol but the magnitude of predicted change is modulated by baseline dietary cholesterol. The greatest response is expected when baseline dietary cholesterol is near zero, while little, if any, measurable change would be expected once baseline dietary cholesterol was >400-500 mg/d. People desiring maximal reduction of serum cholesterol by dietary means may have to reduce their dietary cholesterol to minimal levels (http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/55/6/1060.full.pdf

          • Thea

            Toxins: I am keenly interested in your comment, but want to make sure I understand it correctly. If you have a moment, can you let me know if I got this right?:

            There are people who have been told (and thus believe) that there is no or little link between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels. They think that there is some definitive study that proves that the more cholesterol you eat, the less your body makes. And so dietary cholesterol is mostly a wash.

            I know the above logic isn’t fully true because I’ve seen so much evidence to the contrary. But I’ve often wondered what study people are citing and how that study might be interpreted.

            So, I’m thinking you came up with the study that people think is relevant to this point? (so cool!) And here’s what I *think* the above quote means/what the study says: people who typically eat a lot of foods with cholesterol and then participate in a study that adds even more cholesterol, do not see that much change in their blood cholesterol levels. However, people who typically eat very little foods with cholesterol, will see a lot of change in their blood cholesterol levels when they start eating more cholesterol-laden foods (animal foods).

            If I understood all that correctly, then I would take it further by saying: It would be a flaw in logic to extrapolate from the above study that dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol levels are not related. We know from a bazillion other studies that they are related and that those who do not eat cholesterol laden foods have the lowest cholesterol levels as a group. So, all we can say about the above study is that if someone has saturated their body with so much cholesterol, then eating yet more may not do them much additional harm.

            Does that sound like a reasonable interpretation to you?

            Thanks for your thoughts!

          • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

            Ad hominem attacks are not welcome here.

          • Ruby

            Ya’know, folks unwind thier mind on issues in layers. Are you incapable of making your points with less insulting vitriole sir?? Christmas sakes. Since you’re so in love with pejoratives I’ll say this, you sound like an asshole.

    • beccadoggie10

      Congress writes the laws based on what lobbyists tell them. Sometimes Congress reads studies, but often studies that come from vested interests and they allow the FDA to walk with many hats. This often depends upon the people elected to Congress, to the White House, and their appointees.

  • Coacervate

    Great summary. A tour de force. I wish we could help to put in place an “exit strategy” for the poultry industry. We are talking about peoples lives and livelihoods on both sides of this issue. Is there no way to make it attractive for producers to leave poultry and switch to some other business? Who says we can’t form a task force to find resources (Elon Musk? or some high powered business folks who have a vision for a healthy food industry) and formulate a plan. Our goal should not be to simply win an argument. We shouldn’t just “Krystallnacht” the parts of the industry that need fixing and hound them out of existence.

    1. Continue your great work here to reduce demand by education of the masses
    2. Engage the Egg people, draw out their rationality …away from the bunker mentality.
    3. Invest some of the USDA/FDA resources into transforming the bricks and mortar from battery houses into green houses. Or something sustainable that makes $$ for the producers.

  • whatitis

    stop swallowing in the mic, disgusting

  • Nolan

    When I click on the “sources cited” tab, nothing shows up. I was wondering if you could post the sources. Thanks.

    • Merio

      i quote your request, i can not see any source…

      • Tommasina

        I think the information for this video came straight from the results of Dr. Greger’s Freedom of Information Act request, so there aren’t any other sources.

        • Merio

          ok, thanks !!

  • Darryl

    Commenting on a number of comments below:

    The restrictions on the egg industry using the words “healthy” or “safe” represent the good that government can do. There are scores of conscientious bureaucrats preventing false advertising the egg industry wants. Otherwise we’d have taxpayer subsidized billboards for cardiovascular disease and food poisoning.

    I applaud our unsung government career officals, for upholding the regulations, when every monetary/career incentive suggests kowtowing to the animal agriculture interests.

    • Merio

      do you think is possible to ban lobbies ? Maybe after their ban, it will be much more easy to find information not biased…

    • Dan

      “There are scores of conscientious bureaucrats preventing the false advertising the egg industry wants. ”

      conscientious bureaucrats or aspired dictators imposing their own values and standards on others by the use or force. Government is force!

      Tomorrow, the bureaucrats in charge may advocate the opposite view (which happens to be mine), which is that the egg is the healthiest food on the planet, and they will mandate a label that says: “healthiest food on the planet, eat a lot of eggs!”.

      • anotherreason

        That’s a joke right? You’re joking right?

    • judy

      Maybe I have just become cynical, but I feel the government IS looking out for the industry over the consumer. By not allowing certain terms to be used, they are protecting them from lawsuits, thus protecting their profits.

  • Michelle

    So Dr Michael – what about raw eggs? Especially backyard non commercial ones?

    • http://nutrientuniverse.blogspot.co.uk/ JamesKB

      As much as organic eggs are higher in some healthful nutrients, and lower in some harmful ones, eggs are eggs. With raw eggs you run the risk of catching something.

    • b00mer

      High levels of the following would still be an issue: pro-inflammatory arachidonic acid, cancer-promoting methionine, IGF-1 promoting animal protein, and trans fats. There is also the issue of bioaccumulation of industrial/environmental pollutants anytime to go up a trophic level.

  • http://nutrientuniverse.blogspot.co.uk/ JamesKB

    Even if I thought eggs were safe and ethical, I still wouldn’t eat them, as they taste and smell pretty gross to me now.

    • Richard

      Your socks smell bad too so do you wear any? I do not think eggs smell bad so I am interested in the possible harm of animal protein and choline..;.

      • http://nutrientuniverse.blogspot.co.uk/ JamesKB

        Oddest response I’ve had in a while. Firstly my socks smell perfectly fine :D. Secondly socks are a necessity in this cold weather and I’m not going to eat them.

        You seem to be opposed to the idea that many eggs are a safe thing to consume so I’m not sure why you had to reply to me in this way. Eggs never used to smell bad to me, but now they do. That’s the only point I was trying to make. If eggs don’t smell bad to you then great.

        • b00mer

          Once I took a whiff of someone’s bottle of dairy milk after having eaten plant-based for a while – I had read that it smelled gross on some “top ten reasons to give up dairy” list. I guess I’ve got a morbid sense of curiosity. Pee-ew! It smells just like what it is, old bodily fluids. People are weird.

          • vardarac

            I think spinach is nasty, but now I’m not judging your tastes ;)

          • b00mer

            Well I dislike some vegetables too (surely I must… though I can’t actually think of any), but I do think vegetables and bodily fluids fall in two different categories of discussion. My point was simply, after drinking something my whole life, I never noticed its odor until I had not consumed it for quite some time. Spinach, and other vegetables on the other hand have smelled the same to me my whole life, no matter how long I’ve gone without eating them. Plants, regardless of their particular smell, always smell like plants; bodily fluids always smell like bodily fluids.

            However I want to make it clear that I’m not trying to disparage breastmilk itself; breastfeeding moms know that it has a smell. Most bodily fluids do, it’s just part of life. I do think it is fascinating however, that most adults drink it without really noticing the smell. I don’t think there is anything weird about a cow producing breastmilk for her baby, or any other mammal’s lactation. It’s the difference in perception on the consumers’ part that I find fascinating (perhaps I should have used “fascinating” instead of “weird”).

            Soymilk on the other hand, especially when heated for a latte, smells like sugar cookies. This statement is supported by numerous studies performed on coworkers and baristas.

          • vardarac

            Maybe it was the particular variety or brand of milk you smelled. Maybe gene expression related to preference and perception changes with respect to exposure. Maybe pasteurization, or decomposition, contributed to the smell. Maybe it is consumer psychology, just like I thought my mom’s Chinese soy milk was weird.

            On that note… old soy juice will smell bad also! Unless it’s fermented with wheat, A. soya, and has a ton of salt added… Then you have something I could reasonably threaten my health with.

            On a tangent, you seem to follow this site a lot. Have you come across any studies documenting the changes in blood inflammatory markers and vasoconstriction following pastured/wild meat/fish consumption? I’ve been looking for those on PM on which to base my future diet decisions and haven’t found anything.

  • Richard

    Useless video that does not address the possible problems with eggs besides salmonella. Animal protein in large amounts is detrimental to your health as well as choline in eggs could be putting you at risk. Of course, it is unlikely the necessary research will be done because the egg industry is only interested in sales, not your health. A policy of not more than two eggs a week is wise till more research findings are available.

    • Toxins

      Dr. Greger has a huge video topic on eggs covering many aspects.
      http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/eggs/

      • laytonian

        Dr Greger has TOO MANY videos, and should just put out stuff we can READ.

        • Thea

          laytonian: Most of us love the videos. But if audio is not your thing, you are in luck. Each video is followed by a “transcript” section. Expand that section and you can read the transcript instead of watching the video.

          The only videos where a transcript is not available are the year-end summary videos.

  • Laura

    This is and has always been for me a very confusing topic. For those of us who are still eating carefully chosen meats, the info. on eggs is often times hard to decipher. You now have top neurosurgeons, Board Certified, who are saying that eggs supply one of the top, very top fats that are brains need to survive – Dr. Perlmutter in his book Grain Brain – highly recommends 3 eggs a day. And he isn’t the only doctor advising this. Eggs are also being taunted as being the number one food to stabilize blood sugar, insulin. Very, Very confusing. I wish there was a definitive answer whereby the WHOLE of the health industry could agree.

    • BB

      It is not confusing if you rely on legitimate research such as provided in this video and not fad diet books. A factor may be taunted as good but you must look at the whole product. No matter what is taunted as good in eggs or carefully chosen meats, they are still loaded with fat, animal protein and cholesterol.

    • b00mer

      “eggs supply one of the top, very top fats that are brains need to survive”

      Can I ask which fat he is making this claim about? One of the most distinguishing characteristics of eggs is their incredibly high arachidonic acid content compared to other foods. Arachidonic acid has been well studied in regards to its negative impact on neurological health, including being associated with depression and bipolar disorder.

      In regards to blood sugar, it is excess intramyocellular lipid content that impairs insulin function and inhibits its ability to move glucose from the bloodstream into the cell. Limiting carbohydrate in the diet to try to keep blood sugar steady is an exercise in minimizing a symptom (hyperglycemia), rather than addressing its cause. Have you ever wondered why billions of people following traditional Asian, African, or South/Central American diets never get diabetes even though their diets are based on rice, corn, potatoes, and other grains?

      Unfortunately when there are many studies that repeatedly point in the same direction, there isn’t a lot of media coverage on it. It’s just not exciting. But when say a poorly designed egg industry-funded study comes out that says something different, the media jumps all over it and presents it as shocking news, and as this huge debate that no one really knows the answer to, when really there is a very clear balance of evidence pointing in one direction, if one were to examine the entire body of evidence. But that wouldn’t provide shock and excitement to viewers/readers, and it also wouldn’t be telling them what they want to hear: “eggs are great!” “tons of extra fatty meat is great!” “butter sauteed in coconut oil wrapped in bacon is great!” “eat all you want! it’s good for you!”

      “I wish there was a definitive answer whereby the WHOLE of the health industry could agree”

      Good news, there is in most major areas of nutrition, an overwhelming consensus of what is good for you and what is bad for you. And a lot of it is probably in sync with what you’ve intuitively known your whole life. Limit animal products. Maximize plant foods.

      However you are lumping the egg industry/fad diet book industry/talk show industry/etc in with the rest of the scientific community, and there will never be a consensus between all of these entities.

      • Toxins

        The point of confusion I feel that many have with eggs is that “experts” will pin down single nutrients in eggs, such as lutein, and claim eggs are healthy because it contains lutein. Based on the nutrient data found on the USDA database, 10 grams of spinach has approximately 12 times more lutein then 10 grams of an egg. We cannot really consider eggs an appropriate source of this nutrient.

        https://www.ars.usda.gov/SP2UserFiles/Place/12354500/Data/SR25/nutrlist/sr25a338.pdf

        The way people view nutrition these days is quite reductionistic, and looking at the food as a whole is key to truly grasping the power of nutrition.

        I post this as a reply only to add to what you have said.

        • b00mer

          I almost went into the lutein thing, Toxins, but thought I was getting long-winded as it was. That always leaves me shaking my head. It’s like oh come on, just admit you like eating eggs! Don’t tell me it’s about the lutein! Sure, and I make sure to eat chocolate cupcakes every day, but only because of you know, all of the polyphenols and iron and magnesium. Chocolate cupcakes are a GREAT source of those ;)

          As far as I can tell, if the level of nutrient x in any particular animal food/oil/etc is greater than 0 mg, you can be sure to hear people saying that it’s a great source of that nutrient.

          • b00mer

            But then again, as you say it’s what people are told by various “experts” who don’t make the effort to evaluate a food as a “package deal”. Some doctor in yahoo news mentions lutein and eggs, lay people will pick up on it without ever actually looking at the numbers. After all, the experts told them so.

            I do think the “spin” is a big part of too, in terms of what information gets presented to people. It’s considered “news” to hear a doctor say eggs are good for you after all. On the other hand, a doctor claiming that spinach is good for you and contains nutrients, isn’t news.

          • Toxins

            Indeed, it is the same argument for dairy. Dairy has calcium, calcium is good, therefore, dairy is good. Its overly simplistic.

    • Michelle

      Agree Laura – all the ‘experts’ give us their evidence which conflict on so many foods and we are truly just wanting to be happy and healthy!!

    • Toxins

      Current levels of omega 3 in eggs are highly inadequate and one must consume around 30 eggs to reach an acceptable level of omega 3 for the day. A male needs around 1.6 grams of omega 3 per day, a female needs around 1.1 grams a day. A large egg contains about .037 grams of omega 3. Omega 3 in the ALA form processes to EPA which is also processed to DHA. These fats are anti-inflammatory. Omega 6 processes down to arachadonic acid which is highly inflammatory. According to the National Cancer Institute, eggs are the number 2 top contributor of arachidonic acid in the American Diet.

      http://riskfactor.cancer.gov/diet/foodsources/fatty_acids/table4.html

      Based on this as well as the low omega 3 content of eggs, the benefits received from omega 3 are masked by the high quantity of preformed Arachidonic Acid. High intake of arachadonic acid is linked to autoimmune diseases such as rheumatoid arthritis, ulcerative colitis, as well as a clear link with cancer development.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=20950616uid

      http://img2.tapuz.co.il/forums/1_156375095.pdf

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21139128

    • http://macsmiley.tumblr.com/ MacSmiley

      Perlmutter’s is a dangerous man. No better way to get dementia than by clogging up the blood flow to one’s brain with carotid atherosclerosis and strokes.

      His advice to eat lots of cholesterol for your brain health is pretty dumb since the brain makes its own cholesterol. Cholesterol is too large a molecule to pass through the blood-brain barrier.

      Gluten = evil
      Non-gluten grains and legumes OK once or twice a week.

      Sells supplements to undo the damage his diet does?

    • JacquieRN

      More food for “thought” about brain health/Alzheimers: Reduce your intake of foods high in fat and cholesterol.

      http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/diet-and-alzheimers-disease

      https://www.alz.org/we_can_help_adopt_a_brain_healthy_diet.asp

  • HemoDynamic, M.D.

    Same bat time, same bat channel. “Wholly, rotting, sulfur stench Batman! Did you eat those Deviled Eggs Alfred made?! They (the egg industry) said they’re good for you, and if smelling like a rotting carcass is good, you’re smelling like roses.”

    • HemoDynamic, M.D.

      At least the USDA is sticking to their guns with regards to the nutrition, safe and healthy labels. It’s good to see.
      Anyway can you ever get the sentences of the note you showed in the video that were blacked out, un-blacked out?
      Is it only the Freedom of information Act to a point? Are they allowed to freely destroy the infromation you requested?

  • DGH

    I don’t miss eggs; I miss dairy. That is the hardest thing to do without when eating out at a restaurant; even the many self-advertised “vegetarian” dishes usually have cheese or cream in them.

    • Coacervate

      Yep same here. I can’s say what heroin is like but I told myself it was like that…that i would always miss it. I have secret ice cream cone about 4 times a year. seems to get it me through. I dont eat the cone…just the pus. mmmm

      • Veganrunner

        You are so funny! A laugh with my coffee! Almost out my nose.

        • Coacervate

          Grins…Hey hat’s a mr. coffee not a nettie pot

      • b00mer

        Do you really miss the actual dairy ice cream, rather than ice cream in general (e.g. soy, coconut, etc)? I’ve had non-dairy ice cream a couple times and I thought it was plenty good, other than being less accessible and more expensive (which perhaps is a good thing anyway…) I can’t imagine still wanting dairy ice cream. Maybe the opioid peptides have a stronger effect in certain individuals?

        Also, not to be an enabler but I have always wanted an ice cream maker, but thought I wouldn’t use it enough to warrant it, but maybe for you it’d be a worthwhile investment. :) There are some pretty darn good looking vegan ice cream recipes out there!

        • Coacervate

          Never thought of it. I googled up a really nice sounding non-dairy pumpkin recipe…you’re right, theres heaps of stuff out there. I don’t know, I’ll check with PIXELATED and see what she thinks. Could be just the ticket. thanks.

          • b00mer

            Also, for a quick fix – I know it’s not quite ice cream, but I LOVE putting frozen fruit in my little mini food processor with a couple splashes of soy milk. It’s like a sorbet but creamier. And with the sweeter fruits like sweet dark cherries or pineapple, you genuinely don’t need any sweeteners. I whip this up probably a few nights a week. Only takes a few minutes start to finish to dump the fruit in, whiz it up, dump in bowl, clean mini processor, before I’m sitting on the couch with my “ice cream”.

          • Toxins

            Adding a couple tablespoons of cocoa powder and some soaked dates and you have an incredibly tasty desert. It tastes like fruity chocolate ice cream.

      • DGH

        Is there pus in ice cream? Do tell, please…

        • Coacervate

          Well you know, they always check milk quality by measuring “somatic cell counts” which I guess is a nicer way of saying white blood cells which usually indicate presence of an infection = pus in the milk. Dr. G thunk that one through. So now we have limits on pus because they worry about our health. Mmm, french vanilla. I do love it though. Like black pudding too, even the white bits… but don’t ask and I won’t tell.

          • DGH

            The presence of white cells in milk does not concern me. I would be more concerned about unpasteurized (raw) milk containing bacteria. My own body is filled with white cells, both alive and dead, and it is most likely the case that the white cells in milk are dead as the milk is pasteurized. Endotoxin and exotoxin as part of bacteria, as well as the natural virulence and pathogenicity of bacteria, fungi and viruses are what cause disease. An exception would be graft-versus-host disease but you can’t get that orally. Your intact immune system and mucosal barrier will mop up those foreign, dead, pus cells. Having said that, I am not interested to go to Dr Greger’s video to see what he said.

        • Thea

          DGH: You may be interested in this article from Dr. Greger that talks about how much pus gets into milk. There’s a video of the day on the topic too.

          http://nutritionfacts.org/2011/09/08/how-much-pus-is-there-in-milk/

          I LOVE cashew (that I make myself) and coconut-based (that I buy) ice creams. Unlike cheese, this is one area that I never feel deprived over. Other than cheese, I found personally that most dairy products are easily replaced with something I like at least as well if not better.

          • DGH

            The presence of white cells in milk does not concern me. I would be more concerned about unpasteurized (raw) milk containing bacteria. My own body is filled with white cells, both alive and dead, and it is most likely the case that the white cells in milk are dead as the milk is pasteurized. Endotoxin and exotoxin as part of bacteria, as well as the natural virulence and pathogenicity of bacteria, fungi and viruses are what cause disease. An exception would be graft-versus-host disease but you can’t get that orally. Your intact immune system and mucosal barrier will mop up those foreign, dead, pus cells. Having said that, I am not interested to go to Dr Greger’s video to see what he said.

            PS: It’s cheese, cream, sour cream substitution in restaurants that I was referring to. Most restaurants do not carry vegan alternatives, and many of these tend to be loaded with trans fats (I am not as worried about the other additives, e.g. titanium dioxide and carrageenan – trans fats are the big problem with vegan sour cream and vegan cheese).

          • Thea

            re: “The presence of white cells in milk does not concern me.” because they don’t likely cause disease. That’s a fair enough argument. I personally have a problem with eating pus as I doubt it contributes to health (anti oxidants? vitamins? etc?) even if it doesn’t cause disease. But I think your argument at that level makes sense.

            However, the following part of your argument makes no sense to me: “My own body is filled with white cells, both alive and dead…” Our bodies are made up of plenty of substances that are not good for us to eat. I’m not arguing that pus is good or bad for us to eat. I’m just saying that just because there is a substance in our body (bones, muscles, fat, cholesterol, bile etc) does not make for a legit argument about whether it a healthy substance to consume in our diet. That’s just like the argument that protein pushers make – that we should eat animal flesh because it best mirrors our own flesh. The logical conclusion to that is that the healthiest diet is cannibalism.

            Just something to think about (my opinion) in terms of refining your argument should you make it again in the future.

          • DGH

            Just to clarify, I meant that bovine (cow) white blood cells, taken pasteurized and into the gut of a human being, are unlikely to cause harm. Actually our intestines and blood streams, lungs and bladders and mouths are filled with white blood cells. As long as you don’t inject my bloodstream with HIV-infected leukocytes (white blood cells), I would be fine with pus as a contaminant of dairy, particularly since the pus is dead – pasteurized. It may affect the taste. I think there are much better reasons to avoid dairy than the presence of some quantity of dead, denatured white blood cells. I would be much more worried about the bacteria, viruses, fungi and protozoa that come together with those white cells…. since pus usually signifies an underlying infection (although not always – it can be present with any inflammation). I wasn’t arguing for eating human body components because they are somehow “natural”; that would be absurd!

    • b00mer

      It is the hardest thing to avoid at restaurants, but at the same time I think it’s the easiest thing to substitute for in recipes. The structural contributions to a recipe from eggs take a little more work to get around imo.

  • vardarac

    Does anyone know the lipid loadout of eggs? As in, what percents by mass stearic/myristic/palmitic? And what the threshold dosages for harm are in the latter two?

  • HereHere

    Brilliant! I’d like to see the freedom of info request information from the other meat industries, such as beef, pork, turkey and chicken. I bet their lobby groups are going through similar initiatives.
    One thing that caught my eye was that the egg industry just keeps turning down the use of the words nutrition, safe, and healthy. I wonder if the industry just keeps plugging those words in over and over, hoping at some point, a bureaucrat will make an error and give them the okay in writing to use the word.

  • HereHere

    Washingtonian, I see you’ve done a great deal of research on this topic, and for that, I commend you – and thank you for sharing. I would recommend to have a look at Dr. Joel Fuhrman’s book (Eat to Live, I think it is called), as he has a table showing the nutrient density of foods, and he describes how he calculated them (I’m not sure if he revealed the exact forumula, but I have a hunch he did). There were additions for antioxidants, vits, minerals, fibre and subtractions for fat, cholesterol, sugars, etc.

    • 40somethingdad

      Herehere, Yes thanks for bring up Dr Furhman’s book! The book (actually it’s a two book set) is called Eat for Health. “Using a specific calorie amount instead of weight or serving size is a more accurate way of obtaining a pure “nutrient per calorie” score, a reflection of the health equation”. (Book 2 page 3). He does explain his methodology. To cut to the chase, go to page 84 to find the nutrient density of eggs. Spoiler alert … eggs score 28. The good stuff as you would expect are the green leafy veggies (like cooked Kale, raw watercress etc) coming in with a score of 1000.

      • Jennifer Vegan

        Court Rules Against USDA’s Secrecy and Failure to Disclose Conflict of Interest in Setting Nutrition Policies

        “PCRM had argued that at least six of the 11 members of the Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee, which formulates the Dietary Guidelines for Americans, had financial ties to the meat, dairy, or egg industries that may have made it more likely that unhealthy foods would remain in the government’s diet plan.”

        http://pcrm.org/media/news/court-rules-against-usdas-secrecy-and-failure-to

  • Kassie

    Why haven’t they gone after milk?

  • Ma’ii Coyotl

    I’m curious to know what the egg industry can say in Canada, where I live! I’ve sure been seeing a lot of advertisements for dairy products lately. Apparently, “it just makes sense” to drink milk.

  • jazzfeed

    There are eggs and then there are eggs. It’s plausible to me the whole debate only exists because of conflating industrially-produced eggs with organic pasture-produced eggs that use no GMO feed.
    “Here’s why you should boycott eggs from factory farms and how to find alternatives”: http://bit.ly/1hV8DYs

    or NationOfChange at http://www.nationofchange.org/how-and-why-boycott-eggs-factory-farms-1393260413

  • Eve Marie

    Hi,

    I forwarded this video to some people and one of them sent me this as an answer : http://authoritynutrition.com/how-many-eggs-should-you-eat/
    I don’t really know how to respond to that, since the article has sources based on studies that were made in 2013. Thank you ! :)

  • TW

    So what about egg whites. If I throw away the yolks am I good?

  • Kar

    Anyone who seeks information on nutrition and health topics, opens a site on the internet and finds an expert who speaks .Just like in here. But there are many other sites on the internet in which, other doctors and experts speak often about the SAME topic but take the exact opposite position.On the one hand you have(for instance here) Dr.Gregger, talking about eggs being very bad for your health and on the other hand you have an other doctorexpertscientist ,assurring you that eggs are GREAT for you. They are both doctors,experts, and they both refer to STUDIES to support what they say. WHAT on EARTH should you believe?

    You have 2 doctors,2 experts,1 topic and 2 contadictory positions.I don`t care who is who and obviously this is not a matter of preference “whom to believe“ ,like it is in the case of “which football team to support“ ,but the above simple fact may make it difficult to decide what to do. ( specifically about eggs,I`ve seen at least 3 doctors speaking in favor of eggs, on you tube .It`d be useful to listen to each other`s take on the arguements of the other. )
    Maybe we could play the game “fact or fiction“ or put the names of the contradicting experts on a graph .Kidding of course :D .
    I`d like to read any commentsanswers on how to handle this dilemma and information.Thanks.

  • Amy Jean Davis Louis

    Can someone explain this article to me? It’s on a usda.gov site: http://www.ars.usda.gov/News/docs.htm?docid=18963

    • JacquieRN

      Do you have a specific question about the article?

  • http://people.ign.com/fredmertz Fred

    It’s all just a ploy to get you to buy all those cholesterol lowering drugs that are far worse for you than eggs.

  • J-P

    OK. I need some clarification here – after seeing the many articles against egg consumption (something which I do enjoy). Dr. Greger, forgive me, but you do seem to make some very sweeping statements. One could almost think you had an agenda of some kind…

    Forgive me if I’m wrong here, but research I read seems to point in an entirely opposite direction, especially around saturated fat and cholesterol in relation to CHD. I can also admit to generally mistrusting USDA/FDA research as a pile of bureaucratic nonsense.

    I thought that recent focus for research had shifted to “oxidized LDL” as the primary culprit in Cardiovascular Heart Disease (CHD). I keep hearing you bang on about cholesterol, but I’ve yet to hear your opinion on research in this area (apologies if I missed it).

    Whilst high levels of LDL are generally predictive of unhealthy levels of oxidized LDL, it does not necessarily follow that foods that elevate LDL also increase oxidation. So, the question follows; what *does* lead to high levels of oxidation in LDL? The answer seems to be high levels of simple carbohydrate consumption (especially processed sugar). Trans-fats also play a role. Saturated fats (like those found in eggs) simply do not appear to do so. Processed sugar and simple carbs are way worse of an enemy to our heart than eggs will ever be.

    Whilst it is true that saturated fats raise cholesterol, we see that both LDL and HDL go up after consuming saturated fats. Since the HDL:LDL ratio is actually a better predictor of CHD (higher ratios meaning lower risk) [1], scientists have come to conclude in numerous studies [2] that saturated fats are not likely to be a primary cause of CHD [3]. In fact, the best *easy* measure of the level of oxidation is the Triglyceride:HDL ratio. If that is high, you can definitely be worried. However, the consumption of saturated fats tends to *lower* TRI:HDL ratios while simple carbs (esp. processed sugars) seem to raise it. So, while we are not quite ready to say that saturated fats are “heart healthy,” it is the emerging consensus that they play little role.

    Interestingly, a Japanese prospective study that followed 58,000 men for an average of 14 years found no association between saturated fat intake and heart disease, and an inverse association between saturated fat and stroke
    (i.e. those who ate more saturated fat had a lower risk of stroke) [4].

    I would be interested to hear your opinion on the above.

    [1]Demosthenes B. Panagiotakos, Christos Pitsavos, John Skoumas, Christina
    Chrysohoou, Marina Toutouza, Christodoulos I. Stefanadis, Pavlos K.
    Toutouzas, “The Importance of LDL/HDL Cholesterol Ratio as a Predictor for Coronary Heart Disease Events in Patients With Heterozygous Familial Hypercholesterolaemia: A 15-Year Follow-up (1987-2002).”
    (http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/452983_4)

    [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturated_fat_and_cardiovascular_disease_controversy

    [3] Djoussé L, Gaziano JM., “Dietary cholesterol and coronary artery disease: a systematic review.” (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19852882)

    [4] Department of Public Health Medicine, Graduate School of Comprehensive Human Sciences, and Institute of Community Medicine, University of Tsukuba, Japan., “Dietary intake of saturated fatty acids and mortality from cardiovascular disease in Japanese: the Japan Collaborative Cohort Study for Evaluation of Cancer Risk (JACC) Study.” (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20685950?dopt=AbstractPlus)

  • Jessica Madden

    I’m really loving this website! I’m learning so much and enjoying it thoroughly! Do you have a podcast?!

  • GERY

    A fantastic eight minute video by a great scholar.

  • Clay

    Here’s the facts. 4-6 eggs every day for my entire life. I’m 47. Total cholesterol 181, HDL 94, LDL 77, Triglicerides 54. Choke on those numbers. Oh, and my LDL particles are nice and big and fluffy. Anyone who claims eggs aren’t healthy is ignorant of the facts or just a biased vegan.

    • Thea

      Clay: Thanks for sharing your numbers. This is a great example of why the details are important.

      My understanding is that in order to be heart-attack proof, you would need your total cholesterol to be under 150 and LDL to be under 70. The range you are in right now is not very safe. The goal is not to have a certain number for cholesterol, but to avoid heart attacks. Thus, many people in this group would look at your numbers and go, “Yikes! I hope he is able to fix his diet before it hurts him…”

      Of course, if you are happy with those numbers and happy to take the risk, then you are happy with those numbers. I wish you good health.

    • JacquieRN

      Clay, so glad your numbers are good and I am not choking on them. But because your body, so far and maybe for your lifetime, is able to handle high intakes of eggs doesn’t mean that this is the case for all. Also, it doesn’t mean that those that review data and come to a different conclusion from you are “ignorant of the facts” or are “just biased” vegans.

      Its about risk. For example, there are smokers that live long healthy lives but most often there is a price to pay-I have cared for those paying dearly. Do you smoke, do you care about second-hand smoke? Smoking is just a risk factor.

    • GERY

      With all respect, a similar argument could be made for the health benefits of smoking – for SOME folks. I knew a guy who . . . . .(you finish it.) Greetings from an unbiased vegan. CHEERS.

  • Anna King

    Can someone please comment on where to go to access FOIA documents or how to request access to those documents?

  • rubagreta

    The egg industry does not have the same influence on the politicians as the wheat, soy, and corn growers. Because if they did, they would have health warnings on every package of bread. Believe me, eggs are better for you than bagels and donuts.

  • Uncle Lar

    I ran across this which states eggs don’t really raise the bad cholesterol.

    http://authoritynutrition.com/how-many-eggs-should-you-eat/

    • Thea

      Uncle Lar: I haven’t looked at this particular video, but I have seen some NutritionFacts videos which show how the egg industry comes up with experiment designs which make such studies invalid. There is another video coming up on NutritionFacts that covers this point again.

      You might also want to check out Plant Positive, who has a very indepth set of videos showing a great deal of scholarly work/research on this topic among others related to cholesterol denial-ism.
      http://plantpositive.com/
      (Videos are listed on the right. He also posts videos on YouTube.)

  • DWS

    This is amazing. Eggs are probably the most nutritious food on the planet, it’s the big-industry-biased “science” that has the messgae backwards. It’s amazing that the US has survived this long! The rest of the world looks on with amazement.

    What is interesting is that a lot of this egg “research” was paid for by Kelloggs – any guesses why?

  • Godclass

    Ouch….so much for my 3 eggs with turkey for a power protein breakfast for “weight loss”….. What a joke…

  • Jake Noyce

    DWS had the most valid point and obviously the most educated reply to this topic. I eat over a dozen raw eggs every day, I have never had salmonella poisoning, my cholesterol is perfect, and my blood pressure is bang on. If you only watch one video or read one article you can’t talk as if you’re an expert. Everyone has different dietary needs and eggs are not for everyone. If you never exercise you might want to steer clear of eggs, your body doesn’t need the nutrition from eggs to rebuild, maintain, and grow tissue. Most every natural food source has its benefits and to think otherwise is to me ignorant. I’m not meaning to offend anyone, I’m just speaking from REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE on my own body. I don’t listen to the USDA for my nutrition and neither should you. Take a good look at the food pyramid, and you will see its completely wrong.

  • http://WWW.GJS.NET/ Gerhardt J. Steinke

    I may have overdosed on SO many comments. I see nothing that contradicts or debunks the FACTS (independently verifiable) that Dr. Greger presented. Tastes change. In the last century I would frequently eat four eggs for breakfast with bacon and other bad stuff. I’m lucky to be alive today. Check back with me early in the next century and see how my current vegan diet is working out.

    Cheers.

  • Jess

    So now I’m getting fed up with all the misleading information about our foods. Well which is it? Are eggs healthy or not? I’m sick of the psychological crap they play all the time.