Dr. Gundry’s The Plant Paradox Is Wrong

Dr. Gundry’s The Plant Paradox Is Wrong
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A book purported to expose “hidden dangers” in healthy foods doesn’t even pass the whiff test.


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The Plant Paradox: Lectins

Earlier this year, I started getting emails about this book, The Plant Paradox, purporting to expose “The Hidden Dangers in “Healthy” Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain”—foods like beans, and whole grains, and tomatoes. Why? Because of lectins, which is a rehashing of the discredited Blood Type Diet from decades ago. They just keep coming back. Yeah, but this was written by an M.D., which, if you’ve seen my medical school videos, you’ll know is effectively an anti-credential when it comes to writing diet books—basically advertising to the world that you’ve received likely little or no formal training in nutrition. Dr. Atkins was, after all, a cardiologist. But look; you want to give the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that it doesn’t even seem to pass the sniff test.

I mean, if lectins are bad, then beans would be the worst, and so bean counters would presumably find that bean eaters cut their lives short, whereas the exact opposite may be true  with legumes (beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils)—found to be perhaps the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people in countries around the world. As Dan Buettner points out in his Blue Zones work, lectin-packed foods “are the cornerstones of” the diets of all the healthiest, longest-lived populations on the planet. Plant-based diets in general, and legumes in particular, are a common thread among longevity Blue Zones around the world—the most lectin-lush food there is. And, if lectins are bad, then whole grain consumers should be riddled with disease—when, in fact, “whole grain intake is associated with a reduced risk of coronary heart disease,” the #1 killer of men and women; strokes, too; and total cancer; and mortality from all causes put together—meaning people who eat whole grains tend to live longer, and, get fewer “respiratory diseases, infectious diseases, diabetes, and all non-cardiovascular, non-cancer causes” to boot. And, not just in population studies. As I’ve shown, you can randomize people into whole-grain interventions, and prove cause-and-effect benefits. The same with tomatoes. You randomize women to a cup and a half of tomato juice or water every day, and all that nightshade tomato lectin reduces systemic inflammation, or has waist-slimming effects, reducing cholesterol as well as inflammatory mediators.

Dr. Gundry’s Ulterior Interests?

So, when people told me about this book, I was like, let me guess: he sells a line of lectin-blocking supplements. And, what do you know? “Assist your body in the fight against lectins” for only $79.95 a month—that’s only like a thousand bucks a year—a bargain for “pleasant bathroom visits.” And then, of course, there’s ten other supplements. So, for only like eight or nine thousand dollars a year, you can lick those lectins. Oh, did I not mention his skin care line? “Firm + Sculpt” for an extra $120—all so much more affordable when you subscribe to his “VIP Club.”

Discrediting The Plant Paradox

But, you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. People ask me all the time to comment on some new blog or book or YouTube video, and I have to sadly be like, look, there are a hundred thousand peer-reviewed scientific papers on nutrition published in the medical literature every year, and we can barely keep up with those.

But, people kept emailing me about this book; so, I was like, fine, I’ll check out the first citation.  Chapter 1, citation 1: “forget everything you thought you knew was true.” Diet books love saying that. For example: “Eating shellfish and egg yolks dramatically reduces total cholesterol.” What?! Egg yolks reduce cholesterol? What is this citation? This is the paper he cites. And, here it is. By now, you know how these studies go. How do you show a food decreases cholesterol? You remove so much meat, cheese, and eggs that overall your saturated fat falls—in this case, about 50%. If you cut saturated fat in half, of course cholesterol levels are going to drop. So, they got a drop in cholesterol removing meat, cheese, and egg yolks. Yet, that’s the paper he uses to support his statement “egg yolks dramatically reduce cholesterol.”

I mean, that’s unbelievable. That’s the opposite of the truth. Add egg yolks to people’s diets, and  their cholesterol goes up. I mean, how dare he say this? And, it’s not like some, you know, harmless foolishness like saying the Earth is flat or something. Heart disease is the #1 killer of men and women—this can actually hurt people. So much for my benefit of the doubt.

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

The Plant Paradox: Lectins

Earlier this year, I started getting emails about this book, The Plant Paradox, purporting to expose “The Hidden Dangers in “Healthy” Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain”—foods like beans, and whole grains, and tomatoes. Why? Because of lectins, which is a rehashing of the discredited Blood Type Diet from decades ago. They just keep coming back. Yeah, but this was written by an M.D., which, if you’ve seen my medical school videos, you’ll know is effectively an anti-credential when it comes to writing diet books—basically advertising to the world that you’ve received likely little or no formal training in nutrition. Dr. Atkins was, after all, a cardiologist. But look; you want to give the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that it doesn’t even seem to pass the sniff test.

I mean, if lectins are bad, then beans would be the worst, and so bean counters would presumably find that bean eaters cut their lives short, whereas the exact opposite may be true  with legumes (beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils)—found to be perhaps the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people in countries around the world. As Dan Buettner points out in his Blue Zones work, lectin-packed foods “are the cornerstones of” the diets of all the healthiest, longest-lived populations on the planet. Plant-based diets in general, and legumes in particular, are a common thread among longevity Blue Zones around the world—the most lectin-lush food there is. And, if lectins are bad, then whole grain consumers should be riddled with disease—when, in fact, “whole grain intake is associated with a reduced risk of coronary heart disease,” the #1 killer of men and women; strokes, too; and total cancer; and mortality from all causes put together—meaning people who eat whole grains tend to live longer, and, get fewer “respiratory diseases, infectious diseases, diabetes, and all non-cardiovascular, non-cancer causes” to boot. And, not just in population studies. As I’ve shown, you can randomize people into whole-grain interventions, and prove cause-and-effect benefits. The same with tomatoes. You randomize women to a cup and a half of tomato juice or water every day, and all that nightshade tomato lectin reduces systemic inflammation, or has waist-slimming effects, reducing cholesterol as well as inflammatory mediators.

Dr. Gundry’s Ulterior Interests?

So, when people told me about this book, I was like, let me guess: he sells a line of lectin-blocking supplements. And, what do you know? “Assist your body in the fight against lectins” for only $79.95 a month—that’s only like a thousand bucks a year—a bargain for “pleasant bathroom visits.” And then, of course, there’s ten other supplements. So, for only like eight or nine thousand dollars a year, you can lick those lectins. Oh, did I not mention his skin care line? “Firm + Sculpt” for an extra $120—all so much more affordable when you subscribe to his “VIP Club.”

Discrediting The Plant Paradox

But, you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. People ask me all the time to comment on some new blog or book or YouTube video, and I have to sadly be like, look, there are a hundred thousand peer-reviewed scientific papers on nutrition published in the medical literature every year, and we can barely keep up with those.

But, people kept emailing me about this book; so, I was like, fine, I’ll check out the first citation.  Chapter 1, citation 1: “forget everything you thought you knew was true.” Diet books love saying that. For example: “Eating shellfish and egg yolks dramatically reduces total cholesterol.” What?! Egg yolks reduce cholesterol? What is this citation? This is the paper he cites. And, here it is. By now, you know how these studies go. How do you show a food decreases cholesterol? You remove so much meat, cheese, and eggs that overall your saturated fat falls—in this case, about 50%. If you cut saturated fat in half, of course cholesterol levels are going to drop. So, they got a drop in cholesterol removing meat, cheese, and egg yolks. Yet, that’s the paper he uses to support his statement “egg yolks dramatically reduce cholesterol.”

I mean, that’s unbelievable. That’s the opposite of the truth. Add egg yolks to people’s diets, and  their cholesterol goes up. I mean, how dare he say this? And, it’s not like some, you know, harmless foolishness like saying the Earth is flat or something. Heart disease is the #1 killer of men and women—this can actually hurt people. So much for my benefit of the doubt.

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Doctor's Note

This is an unusual video for me. I normally try to stay out of the so-called diet wars and just stick to bringing you the latest science. Roughly 100,000 papers are published on nutrition in the peer-reviewed medical literature every year, and we have a hard enough time keeping up with them , but let me know what you think: Would you like me to allocate time to more of these types of reactive videos?

You’ll note I never really addressed Dr. Gundry’s thesis about lectins in this video, but I do in my next two, so check out How to Avoid Lectin Poisoning and Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You?.

Here are links to the videos I alluded to in the video, if you want to learn more:

What else can tomatoes do? See Inhibiting Platelet Activation with Tomato Seeds.

One of the key reasons whole grains may be so beneficial is their effect on our good bacteria. Check out Gut Microbiome: Strike It Rich with Whole Grains and Microbiome: We Are What They Eat to learn more.

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    1. hi Aaron Maher, I responded to your question last week by referrencing a page from Dr McDougall’s news letter speaking about diet and autoimmune/inflammatory conditions. One of the success stories I do remember is by a fellow who did suffer from ankylosing spondylitis but by following a whole food plant based (indeed starch-based!) diet , he is free of symptoms https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/health-science/stars/stars-video/mark-jones/ He is one of many who has seen the return to health from crippling arthritic conditions . There is nothing more anti inflammatory than a plant based diet. Be sure to watch his update as well. All the best to you!

      1. Thank you for this post. I’ve been following a whole food plant based diet most of my adult life. Many years ago, following Macrobiotic guidelines, I was told not to eat nightshades because they cause inflammation. Do you know if that is in fact not true? I’d love to put them back in my life :)

        1. Hi Barbara,
          I’m a clinical nutritionist and professor of nutrition at Chapman University. Nightshade vegetables may increase pain and inflammation in a subset of people suffering from various forms of arthritis, but not for most people. If you did not get pain relief from avoiding night shades, you can safely add them back to your diet without worry. They are very nutritious foods!

          1. Thank you Denise. It’s been so long since I’ve eaten nightshades I don’t have “data”…..I’ll re-introduce them and see if there’s a difference. Thanks so much for your help!

            1. Hi I’m a moderator with nutritionfacts. I know of no research that says any fruit or berries are pro inflammatory. Most of the research says the opposite. Dr. Greger says berries are the healthiest fruits. Berries are very high in antioxidants.
              You might like some of these videos about the benefits of berries:


                1. Did you watch the video? “Dr.” Grundy cites a paper suggesting A when B is clearly true. He is therefore one in a long line of dangerous medical quacks whose advice should be ignored and whose pockets must remain unlined.

            2. Nah. Even if they did, I’d say blueberries are the last thing one should worry about. When it comes to foods like that, eat, drink, and be merry.

          2. Greetings,
            I wish doctors would simply reply to something like this lectin issue with a more intelligent response like “every year new research comes to light including possible and radical shifts in in what we thought of as healthy foods”. There is a ridiculous mountain of research on lectins and it’s impact on our gut microbiome. If I was being treated by you I would still be suffering from leaky gut, various autoimmune issues and unnecessary and unexplainable weight gain. The Plant Paradox simply sites the numerous studies showing these true hidden dangers. After 3 days on the diet I was a different person, after 6 weeks I restored my energy and overall vitality to my 20’s and now that my gut is truly restored and I’ve eliminated lectin sourced poisoning, I’m instantly sick, fatigued and joint pain returns until my system has purged those lectins. Anyone that argues against the Plant Paradox is not fully versed in Microbiota health and should pause and catch up before possibly causing harm. Especially when it comes to night shades in which skins and seeds should always be removed before consumption as our grandparents and every ancestor before them did because their system was clean enough to notice these foods caused problems with their digestive system and health. https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/08/14/amp/reduce-lectins-in-your-diet.aspx

              1. Like Christine I have moved onto the diet promoted by Dr Gundry and have not felt this good for a long time. I was suffering from IBS and also had gallstone pain from two gallstones due to which I was going to have my gall bladder removed. It was trying to avoid having unnecessary surgery that prompted me to look to see whether I could find a natural remedy to my gallstones that I stumbled over this diet. I now have neither of these problems and have lost a few pounds as a bonus. At some point I will be going back to the doctor to ask to have new ultrasound of my gallbladder as I am convinced the stones must have gone.
                There’s an old adage which is “don’t knock it till you have tried it” and I would suggest that is totally appropriate in this instance. I have and it’s worked wonders for me!

                1. IF you are truly suffering from gallstone issue… no diet will ever shrink it, NEVERMIND shrink it. I know as I have suffered two years ago for several months. I tried all kinds of method, and I’m only better after I had my gallbladder removed. Stone(s) may not appear under ultrasound, but you bet they are dormant in your gallbladder. Any of your meals with fat and your gallbladder starts pumping…and then godawful agony of the stone(s) getting jammed in there. You are a lying troll or truly misguided; anyhow, you are wrong and misleading people who may need help!

                  1. You aren’t even listening to the people telling you their own personal stories. They are giving you their testimonies to how Plant Paradox diet is helping them. If you would just listen, you might learn something new.. Not try to tell people that what they are witnessing in themselves is wrong. How do you know? Cause you were taught something by a doctor who was taught something by a doctor? Newsflash.. doctors do not learn enough about diet to actually help anyone. Their main focus is meds. At least someone is trying to figure it out, and actually helping people.

                  2. Here’s another tip…how about disregarding Western medicine and looking DEEP DOWN as to where your qi’ is blocked??? Strip the emotional layers..it all starts in the gut! I don’t trust ANY western dr’s!

                    1. I am a “western doctor”.. lol. I agree with you. It is about energy.. blockages, beliefs, universal laws…but most people do not understand that… I don’t “distrust” people. I relish in the truth in which I live. I share it as best I can using mainstream thinking to disguise the truth , so that my patients can be better. If I know that I have someone who understands energy, then we talk on those terms.. otherwise , I speak of making higher choices for the body, loving themselves, forgiving others…. Peace to You Brenda.

                    2. While i probably will not buy this product from Dr Gundry, it seems your comment calls for a response. “it all starts in the gut!” you say. That is actually the primary take-away from Dr Gundry’s video about his Protein product. Leaky gut was a major discussion point, in fact. Interesting that you seem to have missed it.

                  3. Would you like to see photos of gallstones half the size of a penny that were purged from my body doing the Edgar Cayce 3 day apple diet? I could not even begin to count the total amount of stones that were purged.

                    Its pretty obvious that the epidemic degree of diabetes, heart disease, etc. in the population today calls for a revision to the “official” understanding of diet and health, The roof pyramid is completely upside down .

                  4. Why would someone lie about themselves and how effect a diet was for them. Maybe you are the one who is a lying troll and misguided. The proof is in the pudding. You believe what you want and suffer through the surgeries but I know ” We are fearfully and wonderfully made” and given the ability our bodies can heal themselves.

                2. I agree with Ben and Christine, I know many people who have been doing the Dr. Gundry system and they all have the same response. That they feel better and have more energy. Many have said they have been able to illuminate their blood pressure and cholesterol medication. If it works it works, can’t discard the testimonies of the people who claim it helps them. I’m starting to go through it to and am experiencing the same.

              2. I started the Plant Paradox as an anti inflammatory diet to see if I could resolve some minor health problems. Not everyone has the same body responses, so they might not have the same response.

                First I should say that I am a veterinarian, have studied and put into practice good nutrition and effects of diet on growth and disease in my patients. And while human nutrition is not quite the same, much of what Dr. Gundry has presented can be verified in scientific articles in reputable journals.

                After only a week, I’ve noticed that the more obvious inflammation, such as that in my arthritic joints is almost gone. I didn’t eat a lot of junk food, drank bottled water, used primarily stevia (although once in a while used the yellow pack artificial sweeteners), ate cows’ milk yogurt and had a plant based protein shake (one of the ingredients were peas) that I drank every morning. And for the most part I pretty much ate the “healthy foods”. So I looking forward to seeing how I am doing after a month or two with all of the lifestyle changes, because it’s not just about the food.

            1. Absoloutely agree, what on earth is going on with Michael Greger on cholesterol and lectins? He seems to want to continue to promote the idea that cholesterol is the baddie. It is very well known that it is the adaptive response. He seem s to say nothing on the subject of leaky gut and lectins/ auto immunity.

              1. All these responses about Gundry seem to be written like advertisments… Whats up with that? Who is getting paid to write them? Can I get paid to write them?

                  1. Well I can understand where they are coming from. I’m a 56 year old male and I stumbled across his diet and have been eating an 80-90% Gundry compliant diet for three weeks now. I’m amazed at the benefits. I haven’t even been totally compliant because I had non-compliant foods in the pantry and wasn’t prepared to throw it all out. I also like meat so I am eating more meat than he recommends. And occasionally I cheat and have a yogurt or a bit of A 1 dairy or some chips or something. Nevertheless, in two weeks I’ve lost 7 Kilo and I feel great! I have less cravings for snacky foods. I’m finding it really easy to NOT eat. It’s weird! The only way I can understand it is that I assume my gut biome has changed (in the way he talks about) as a result of all the green leaves, fresh read oinions, organic compliant nuts and grass fed beef and lamb + wild caught whiting Ive been eating. I repeat I have only been about 80% compliant on any given day and I’ve still seen very noticeable benefits. And I’m happy to share because I’m excited about feeling well/better and losing weight. And I’m happy to share my experience in the hope it may help others. That’s just a natural ting, isn’t it? I don’t need to be paid to share stuff like that. I just want too.

                1. A troll farm has been hired to write these glowing comments. “It does not seem that this is written by someone that has read the book, the Plant Paradox,” is obviously one of the standard talking points they have been instructed to write. Certainly stating the book is a key component for SEO purposes.

                    1. You Negative Nancy’s are ridiculous. “I was thinking the same thing,” please people, why don’t you read others comments with an open mind instead of a closed brain. What’s the purpose of having a brain if that’s what you are going to do with it? Furthermore, if that is what you choose to do with it, then save your petty uneducated opinions about what others write to yourselves and your members only group of closed minded imbecile just like the one who runs our country at the current unfortunate moment.

                  1. No “troll” here. Just a living, breathing Healthier Person because of following Dr. Gundry since 2012!!!! My DOCTOR introduced me to his first book and all my health issues started coming together in this giant “puzzle”. IF you take the time to Actually READ the books, you may understand the feverish believers in a Doctor that actually looks at the Whole person, the diet, the Science, the blood and actually HELPS them REVERSE many, if not all, their health issues. It is amazing to me how there are thousands if Dr. Gundry success stories and all you Nay-Sayers stick to your “old ways” NOT at the benefit of your patients health. His TWO books alone are a Wealth of information, backed up with his own research and the noted research of cutting edge officials, Diet Evolutions and The Plant Paradox by Dr. Gundry are informative, data full and books that, even today after 6 years, I go back and read, study and take more notes on.

                  2. The TROLLS here are the ones who close their eyes and ears.

                    I had terrible arthritis for 30 years. (I am 65 and am not painless.)
                    It was the gluten and sugar for me.
                    I found when I read Plant Paradox that I was feeling inflammation from nightshade, and some beans. (I now know they must be pressure cooked.) Same with cashews.

                    Can’t STAND doctors who tell us DOGMA rules evidence.
                    And Yes, I am a real person who has been helped by the Plant Paradox. I agree not everyone has this kind of inflammation though.

                    1. Dr. Greger is right in what he says – yet, at the same time, there are people who have inflammatory responses to certain foods. And yes, a low-lectin diet cuts out a lot of foods that tend to trigger these inflammatory responses.
                      But actually, you should do a hypoallergenic elimination diet followed by food challenges, to find your particular trigger food(s). Otherwise you might be eliminating a lot of good, nutritious foods that aren’t a problem for you. As Dr. Greger points out, legumes and whole grains are associated with longevity.
                      And it isn’t necessarily a good idea to eliminate trigger foods. Perhaps one should keep eating them, just at a low level, to give one’s immune system the chance to develop tolerance.
                      I don’t think Dr. Greger would deny that people might have food sensitivities.

                  3. This is good to know, Jeff, thank you. As an overtrusting person, my mind never goes there, but that makes perfect sense. My comment was going to be thanking Dr. Greger for doing this video. I watched Dr. Gundry’s entire ‘infomercial’ online featuring Maggie Q, and it all sounded very strange to me. I love how Dr. Greger presented this video and the study that Dr. Gundry was citing regarding egg yolks to lower cholesterol. It seems so unethical to me.

                  4. Ok people……just as an outsider….non medical and not real healthy person. I’d like to comment. I’m not a troll….I’m not being paid…..I have not tried any of these yet, but my dad has. The Plant Paradox has definitely worked for him. Just by eliminating the foods that the guys says you shouldn’t eat, he feels 100% better. He says it’s not a lot of things you have to eliminate and not things that arent a must have. Not only that, he has lost like almost 20 pounds. Without any exercise. So he has convinced me enough to look into it myself. If I can take a minute and get this started I will tell you honestly if it worked for me. May 9th. Shoot me a text in a couple months – and I will let you know what I found……434.262.2186

                2. I’m not paid. I paid for his books and some of his supplements. I vouch for what Dr. Gundry claims. Go to the market. Look at what people are buying and eating then take a good look at the people themselves.

                  I eat a lot of food on the Paradox diet. All of it’s on the Paradox diet. I weigh less than I did before, my energy level is up, my psoriasis is receeding and many other bothersome issues are also gone. You’re certainly entitled to ‘doubt’, but until you try the Paradox, please refrain from insulting those of us who have and have nothing bad to say about it.

                  BTW, I’m a 60 year old Senior Engineer with a large ownership in a multimillion-dollar corporation. I don’t need to be paid to state the truth.

                3. Sadly EP, for a number of reasons, I think they are well meaning and probably sincere. By that, I mean that one would hope that a professional ad writer would be able to use the English language more effectively. It would also be nice if they has some remote idea of scientific methodology.

                  Their ideas of “proof seem to consist of a cheer, “he (name) rocks!) and anecdotes.

                  Let’s keep in mind, the cheer, “he rocks” might be good for the moral of a basketball team but it is nothing more than an assertion that wanders off into the realm of silly. . On the other hand, anecdotes might well suggest interesting questions for further inquiry, but the plural of anecdote is not data and never has been.

                  1. Well, there IS a definite pattern here with EACH NAYSAYER — And it sounds like a group of all grumpy men ( and I can hear Fox News blaring in your background ) trying to heal their bodies with potato skins and Coors Light.

                    I, for one, have been a lifelong athlete in top form.

                    I couldn’t get to the bottom of extreme joint pain.
                    With daily stretching, yoga, Pilates and weights.

                    It turns out it was the bags of ( unblanched ) almonds, steel cut oats, protein shakes with almond milk and chia seeds, watermelon and tomatoes. Etc. Etc.

                    It took me 56 years to feel like I should have when I was a pro trainer in 1982. My Gundry was a gift.
                    I started taking their pill regimen. THEN reviewed their “Lectin list” 10 days later.

                    I was shocked that my removed items from diet ( healthy foods) were the culprit to burning pain.

                    Now go back to your corn syrup and C1 shake and check in next year.

                    1. Michael Greger M.D. FACLM needs some fact checking! The most glaring…his remarks on TOMATO!

                      Dr Guntry does mention: Whether you buy fresh or canned tomatoes, they still contain lectins, especially in the skin and seeds. … Tomatoes are not approved by Dr. Gundry, and are on his list of “forbidden foods”. However, if you must eat tomatoes, be sure to skin them and remove all seeds to avoid as many harmful lectins as possible.

                      So, tomato puree, tomato paste, strained tomato, peeled tomato and using only the tomato pulp, like in Italian plum tomatoes that have the most pulp of all tomatoes and are PEELED & STRAINED for not only a better sauce, but a safer and healthier sauce containing minimal levels of lectins!

                      Every August I would call my father who was always fond of growing tomatoes and other vegetables, I would ask him how he felt, ask him how his knees were and he would always complain about severe knee pain near the end of August upon my calling him!

                      I would then move on to remind him to not eat tomatoes every day with every single meal…and
                      I explain to him over and over about Lectins and Solanaceae-nightshade family of plants & their effect on joint pain!
                      To reinforce this message, I always garden just as my father does and for the last 5-6 years, I plant very few tomatoes and switched to more Green Leafy & Cruciferous Vegetables …WHY?
                      Because every summer when I consume lots of WHOLE Tomatoes, come AUGUST MY KNEES WHERE KILLING ME! Until I stopped eating them!

                      I have not even fully gone through all of Dr. Greger’s report on Grundy and Lectins…

              2. Which would explain why I lost 65lbs on a low carb diet supervised by a pathologist! My cholesterol dropped from 370 to 191 and my regular BP went from 140/95 to 115/60. For the record, my primary care doctor and my cardiologist at UC Davis said this diet would do more damage than good. I’m starting to think they just liked billing my insurance for constant office visits. After all, we have a disease care system, not a health care system! People just need to open up their minds! If it works then why knock it?

                1. There is no doubt you can lose weight on a low carb diet. You can also lose weight and drop you cholesterol and BP eating nothing but Twinkies all day too (it’s been proven in publication). The problem is when large groups of people are followed that eat this way, the data shows they die sooner than those on a plant based diet and a cholesterol of 191 is NOT low risk if you read the results of the Framingham heart study. Lastly, eating truly low carb is not sustainable. No one can do it very long. Then your BP and cholesterol will shoot right back up to where it was before, or worse. The WFPB lifestyle is easy to implement, effective and easy to follow for decade after decade. My family and many patients have been doing this for many years now and truly enjoy it.

                  Dr. Ben

            2. I agree with Christine Hackett! It does not seem that this is written by someone that has read the book, the Plant Paradox, or tried the diet even for a few weeks. I have been on the Plant Paradox diet for 13 months. I have less joint pain, more energy, have lost 52 pounds, have been able to stop one BP medication, able to halve the other, no longer need PPI, taking 1/2 of my antidepressant and my blood work has improved. Dr. Gundry has saved my family’s lives and many other people. Dr. Mercola rocks too!

              1. I agree. My husband and I have been on the Plant Paradox diet for 8 days and I can already see a huge difference in the way i feel. It is truly amazing! We have both lost weight and I haven’t felt this good in a very long time. My chronic heartburn has subsided and I’m not eating Tums like candy anymore. It has been a great relief to finally find something that works. I will continue to reap the rewards of this fantastic program no matter what anyone else says about it. It works.

            3. I agree with Christine Hackett! Dr. Greger has not read the book in its entirety, the Plant Paradox, or tried the diet even for a few weeks. In this video he seems to be fighting to keep his audience. He did not read the book in its entirety and only presents those things that supports his point of view. For instance Dr. Greger talks about Dr. Gundry asking his patients to remove beans and tomatoes from their diet. That is only in the initial stages of the diet and they can be reintroduced later. Beans, I have been on the Plant Paradox diet for 13 months. I have less joint pain, more energy, have lost 52 pounds, have been able to stop one BP medication, able to halve the other, no longer need PPI, taking 1/2 of my antidepressant and my blood work has improved. Dr. Gundry has saved my family’s lives and many other people. Dr. Mercola rocks too!

              1. Wow, I’m starting to see the troll mindset with “Beth’s” double replies being almost exactly duplicated on two different dates! I was wondering about this Gundry thing but the troll replies do sound like infomercials!

            4. Hi Christine, thanks for posting your thoughts. Recently I went plant based (8 weeks ago), only eating seafood -, cutting out gluten and dairy as they have always been an issue for me. I introduced soy milks, chia, quinoa and seeds, legumes and so much zucchini and corn into my diet to make up for whatever i had been eating before !!!! guess what , I’ve gained 6 kilos in that time and i couldn’t figure it out until i read a few of Dr Gundrys posts on line. I will happily try his plant paradox diet and i am pretty sure it will alleviate so many of my issues and hopefully loose that weight.

            5. My aunt is 70 years old was obese (400 pounds) has all kinds of IBS, thyroid issues, on and on and on. She started Gundry’s Plant Paradox little over a year ago. She has lost over 100 pounds, most of her medical symptoms are gone, she feels and looks like a totally new person. So I think there is something to it. You doctors need to start working together instead of downing each others research. Makes you look bad to the public.

              1. Wow Ashely, that’s fantastic! Congrats to you and your Aunty. I’m just loving reading story after story that is ‘pantsing’ DR Michael Greger’s debunk of DR Gundry. I agree 100% with your sentiments, why are most doctors so egotistically defensive? I think it’s because they are afraid of the prospect of being wrong. “Hey people, it’s not your fault, you were misinformed!” Get over yourselves! We’ve all been wrong and being open to the possibility of being wrong is part of growing up! In fact, considering that you could be wrong is actually the first step in having an open, inquiring mind, and scientists without an open mind are no better than proselytes. (preaching from their own ‘good book’). When you have the self assurance to believe in yourself, rather than defending your position; when your ego has relaxed enough for you to be curious and explore alternative perspectives…, you will find that its OK to be wrong. I mean, when you finally free yourself from the need to be right all the time, you’ll feel much better. :) You can relax and be open to learning again.

                I can almost guarantee that those criticizing people for writing in with their own experiences, have not read the books or taken the time to look into the science. Allots changed! Cripes I remember doctors telling us meditation was pointless. And when they finally caught on, the medical community was so arrogant they re-named it “Mindfulness” and claimed it as their own!

            6. I am on the program and for the first time in years I do not have to take painkillers and am sleeping most of the night. The water retention I had on all the pills is almost eliminated. Don’t tell me Dr. G’s diet doesn’t work. I definitely does and I am finally walking more properly for the first time in 2 years.

            7. This could have been my comment. I am 49 years old and after two weeks of avoiding all the foods on the “no” list, I too am a new person. I used to have almost constant stomach discomfort, aches and pains all over and no energy. My doctor told me to exercise more- I am actually in pretty good shape and school guys half my age at hockey weekly. This is with what I thought was a balanced and relatively healthy diet- oatmeal in the morning then lean meat and veggies and whole grain bread and pasta in reasonable portion sizes, limited high fat food intake. I feel 20 years younger, my mind and body are both rejuvenated beyond what I could have imagined. My advice- try it for 3 days and if you don’t see a huge improvement maybe it’s not for you.

              1. Reddit.com is known for FAKE news and other information, research your facts first, that way you won’t sound like another idiot.

            8. Thanks for your comment, Christine. My experience with gut healing was similar to yours. The doctors and nutritionists I sought care from prior to adopting the Plant Paradox diet this summer did nothing for me. I was really sick for over five years. I encourage everyone who suffers from inflammatory diseases of the bowel to give the Plant Paradox program a serious try. Your personal experience will be all the proof you will need to determine the effect lectins have had on your health and well-being. What can you lose?

            9. that is a lie. Our ancestors ate anything they could get their hands on, including roots, dirt, leaves, etc., why they had no V. B12 deficiences. Doesn’t that seem obvious. Perhaps you are the less than 1% that is unable to absorb plant protein, but most likely your gut microbiota was already damaged and has a difficult absorption of anything. Cooking legumes destroys the lectins. Even Einstein Gundry agrees with that (pressure cooking). Otherwise, it would not surprise me if you’re actually working for the good doctor (in a video I saw Gundry telling people to consume 23tblsp of olive oil, daily, which he sold).

            10. I concur with Ms. Hackett. I am starting my third week. After the first week, I stopped taking Pantoprazole Sods (Protonix) for GERD, reflux, stomach pain. My distress was acute and I doubled the dose till my primary care doctor told me that was dangerous. I lost 7 pounds and have leveled off. No more weight loss which is good. I really miss bread and pastries, but so far I am well ahead with this diet.

            11. After being on doctor Gundry the plant paradox for under a year I am now getting off of insulin and at a perfect weight my Mom lost 55 lbs and didnt have to go on a needle.

            12. Amen! Gundry has changed my arthritis pain to minimal
              I’m Sicilian and Gundry works for me!
              We’re all different but Gundry is the only diet that works for ME

            13. Animal studies (peer review lit) demonstrate animals eating nightshades have neg health changes and perhaps why most animals naturally avoid night shades.

              1. When you make a claim like this it must be supported by citations of the studies you’re referring to or you’re simply just another unsubstantiated claim.

            14. I agree with this post plus, Gundry is not saying you can’t reintroduce lectins later on after you have healed your gut-and yourself. Just to site the two communities in the world who live into their 100’s is proof enough for me. But you really shouldn’t be throwing the thousands he’s helped under the bus by calling him a quack. The mainstream medical community has long been the problem with the status quo while millions die premature deaths because of their bad outdated info. Also He is the first one with any major platform, who has said you can reverse heart disease.

            15. I agree. Many patients of Dr. Gundry have seen amazing improvements in arthritic pain, skin conditions, and other supposed age-related issues after removing lectins/whole grains from their diets.

          3. I am part of the aforementioned subset … I Experience pain in several parts of my body that is exacerbated by the consumption of night shades but especially tomatoes. I still eat night shades but I am experienced, with myself, enough to know where my limit is. Thanks for sharing!

          4. Thank you Denise,
            I can categorically say that if I eat too many tomatoes, my hips feel sore. Painful if I continue to eat them. Likewise oranges.

        2. Yes. I have had hair tests which picked up all food intolerances over time. Sometimes we don’t see serious symptoms from day to day re allergy so we don’t associate it with the foods we’re eating. However you may have digestion issues, or skin rashes etc which you do not tie in to foods. For me the tests showed intolerance to nightshades (tomatoes and potatoe), wheat, bananas, dairy. I was able to look at the volume of those foods and adjust how much I consume. Gundry states that there are more lectins in the skin and seeds, and I remove those now and do fine with tomatoes. I limit how many potatoes I eat and cook them well to reduce Lectin content. Never was a huge bean, or pea fan and really am not a huge fruit eater either. I only ever ate these foods due to conditioning about them being good for me as a kid or adult.

          The only thing I question is his suggestion to eat resistance starches. I have SIBO and they give me issues so I avoid large volumes of those.

          My hair tests also showed me as very deficientbin many B vitamins, D, omegas and magnesium etc but once corrected I felt a ton better. I have a very good diet, I eat meat and fish, so could not understand why I was b12 and iron deficient until I read a few articles on leaky gut syndrome and malabsorption. I corrected the deficiencies by taking high potency supplements and removing the offending foods. That had many of my symptoms abating.

          I do feel there are other foods I should have removed though like soy, corn and foods that mybgut is not digesting because these cause really bad bloating for me. I’m talking bloat so bad that it pushes upwards onto my diaphragm causing reflux, and pressure which affects how I move or exercise. With the b12 and iron deficiency I had depression, poor circulation, urinary retention (nerve related I feel), a heck of a lot of apathy, poor sleep, numbness in hands and feet, nerve pain and muscle spasms along my spine towards treatment which had me in bed for days. I also had vertigo following my dr prescribing PPI’s which is another b12 issue because those meds reduce your stomach acid and cause levels of b12 to drop dramatically which caused a lot of neurological symptoms for me.

          I despis anyone who makes light of others having these issues. I feel Gundry addresses a lot of the foods that cause such for many people. I’m type A blood, so my foodv intolerances matched foods that are suggested I should avoid in the Blood Type diet which confirmed for ME that A’Damo is on point with the blood type theories.

          I’m of Northern European decent, and MANY of the foods Gundry cites would simply NOT have been part of my diet if I’d lived over 200 and more years ago either!

          This article saddens me actually. He bangs on about Gundry having financial interests by selling supplements but I have purchased none and I’m intelligent enough to figure this out for myself and shop independently for my dietary needs! Gundry also stresses you do not need to buy his supplements to do well or be well. It seems to me that there are not just LPS’s breaching the walls of my gut and getting into my blood, but the internet is FULL of LPS’s like this guy who resort to citing studies which have proven to be innacurate AND flawed but who also still very much remain ignorant about kosher ancestral diet and why so many people are sick.

          We were NOT all destined to develop cancers, diabetes, or other serious health issues. Food and the toxins sprayed on it are the culprit. You only have to compare cancer and diabetes rates pre 19th century versus NOW to understand the links.

          Not to mention THIS GUY has his own agenda and that is to see as many patients with diseases and promote and pedal as many pharmaceutical drugs as possible irregardless of their sometimes fatal side effects and the fact that those drugs are just a band aid. They don’t fix the cause! They just add to the toxic load on liver and organ function. He should be ashamed of himself.

          1. I should also add for others reading that my hair tests also found significant amounts of Roundup in them which is a weed killer discussed inn the book. I do not use Roundup in my garden and don’t even use chemicals in my home or on skin. I was eating wheat, dairy, veggies and fruits on the dirty dozen list at the time though and felt I should post that fact here. I am quite happy to send my hair test results to ANYONE who has an issue believing these facts. Such testing exists and it is something that Gundry being a functional medical Dr is probably using with his patients. However they are not done by allopathic Dr’s. Allopathic Dr’s only do blood tests or check urine or faeces for issues and for that matter their blood tests only show a snap shot I time of what is happening. My GP did NOT pick up my b12 deficiency – she blindly only ran tests for iron deficiency and only scripted iron. So I remained B12 anaemic with serious symptoms for YEARS! Not to mention she did not check for other deficiencies whatsoever. Often if you only address one deficiency when there are many, it can cause issues and exacerbate other deficiencies or symptoms.

            Dr’s such as the one writing this article have no more a clue than the average person out there where it comes to nutritional aspects. They spend less than a week on nutrition in med school and 30 minutes on b12 deficiency. What’s more they’ll script pharmaceutical drugs before checking for deficiencies and you only have to study each vitamin and mineral out there to understand exactly what a deficiency or just ONE can cause eg Scurvy or cardiovascular disease due to lack of vitamin C or b12 and folate. It’s a well known fact that deficiencies affect our health. But st best they commonly run tests for only one or two such as iron or vitamin D and prefer to script drugs. Many of which affect absorption of nutrients from food or affect us in other serious ways. Like some drugs, some of the foods you eat cause malabsorption. Mellanby for example studied deficiency’s is Calcium and bone loss issues due to phytates present in wheat and grain. None of his studies were questioned in his time, and these things are fact, but you still have LPS’s like this singing the praises of a whole grain diet mores the pity. Won’t get the message until it’s too late and has lost teeth, if he isn’t toothless already!

            1. Any drug he prescribes or treatment he resorts to, pr treatment he advocates and charges for, is for his own financial gain. Any diet he recommends and has written about and gained money from is also a financial gain when he steers patients to continue to eating foods that they react to. Any blog he writes and makes money from at the expense of patients finding real solutions through food for their health is a financial interest. If he has done none, and is not an expert in nutrition, (most Dr’s only do the equivalent of one day on nutrition in med school), then I would highly recommend him to shut up and stop diverting patients from scientific facts proven re some foods. 

        1. hi Barbara, you might find this page interesting. I posted it in a comment below also http://doctorklaper.com/answers/answers07 In the list of causes for arthritis/auto immune conditions, Dr Klaper says that nightshades are often not the prominent cause. In my own case, I find some types of tomatoe products are intolerable, but everything else is fine. Have a look a see if this might be helpful.

          As an aside, awesome video Dr Greger .. thoroughly enjoyed the whole presentation, thank you!

          1. I find Dr. Gregor’s video to be full of snark. Extremely unprofessional narration. Maybe the naysayers of Dr. Gundry are the paid shills. Dr. Gundry is all about healing the gut microbiome and what substances to avoid. He doesn’t say to stop eating tomatoes. He says don’t eat the skin and seeds. He doesn’t say stop eating beans. He says to pressure cook them to kill off the lectins. The thing about the “scientific method” is…when more is learned the “science” changes. Low fat diet has produced an obese society. “Science” caused the obesity. Maybe a bold scientist like Dr. Steven Gundry can reverse the bad science that has caused a couple of generations of obesity. People are following his guidance and it’s working. What more can be said about it?

            1. I agree 100%! I mean, remember in the 1990’s, doctors told us that gluten was fine…. until the science changed. This will be the case with the Plant Paradox as well.

            2. I couldn’t agree more: Greger is a snarky wannabe who seems to hate that Grundy has hit on something so simple. And the thing with Grundy’s conclusions and suggestions is that none of them are harmful: you don’t miss out by avoiding some foods, there’s no feeling of “restriction” on the diet, it’s not hard, austere, or difficult to find the products. It’s just common sense and awakening those common sense cells that have been dormant for too long! I find the suggestions natural and easy, I’m in my second week and it’s already helping in so many ways I can’t list them. So nay-sayers should go park their heads in a bucket of wheat chaff :))

              1. Why bother with controlled clinical trials when we have common sense? Yeah, we don’t need any real evidence. Oh wait, its because EVERYONE has a different opinion as to what “common sense” really is. Sure none of Grundy’s diet recommendations are harmful, just like a placebo is not harmful, but it is a GIANT waste of time as compared to treatment options that have solid, unbiased, peer reviewed studies supporting them that REALLY make a difference. Enjoy the special Kool-Aid if you like, but inquiring minds on this website ascribe to real evidence and shun Kool-Aid.

            3. Low-fat diets were really low-fat snacks that came out. So what did people do? They ate even more snacks will maintaining a diet high in saturated fat, cholesterol, hormones, etc. In another words, after the low-fat chip snack, came the burger with fries. When you’re as smart as Dr. Greger, you can be snarky too.

              Any time people cut calories, they will lose weight, but is losing weight always equated with getting healthy?

        2. I have Hashimoto’s and polymyalgia rheumatica. I felt better in one day on the low lectin diet. In 2 months my C-RP and sed. rates were in the mid-normal range (after being 150% of the high normal). This does not work for most people. But when it does work, most people know by day 2. I have a friend who did this and lost 30 pounds in 2 months and eats all they want on the list. I have many friends that have tried this and felt no different. I use many of Dr. Gregor’s videos in my nutrition courses and I so appreciate them. He is not a clinician and it shows here. I lost 15 pounds in 2 months when I started out. I am so pleased.

          1. Thanks so much. Where do I go to find a low lectin plan to follow? I’ve been keeping to a whole food plant based diet for many years and still have thyroid and fibromyalgia fatigue and pain. I don’t know where to start. Thank you again.

            1. I recommend The Longevity Paradox by Dr. Gundry. It is a wealth of good advice, true success stories, and great no-lectin recipes in the back of the book.

      2. I can attest to the anti-inflammatory effect of plant based diets. I was able to stop taking my expensive arthritis medicine after switching to entirely plant based. The only side effects were losing excess weight and curing my diabetes.

          1. As one of Dr G’s patients, I know first hand that this information in P. P. Is true. Blood work proves it. He does not sell his products in his office. He will tell you which Vitamins to buy st the store instead.
            I have watched others with major health issues get off their medications and seen their diseases disappear. These people, including myself, feel better than they have in years. I will stay on this life saving way of living for life. I encourage anyone with health problems to read the book for themselves and try it. The proof will be in their results (without Dr Gundry’s supplements) if they follow the program without cheating. Good luck to you all.

              1. I began the Gundry MD Keto Plant Paradox Program diet October 28, 2017. I suffered from Hashimotos disease for approximately 20 years but in 2012 was diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes, Lupus, Sjogren’s Syndrome, Raynaud’s disease, mixed connective tissue disease, rheumatoid arthritis, Fibromyalgia, Osteoporosis, sleep/wake disorder, Neuropathy, TMJ and degenerative disk disease.

                In the last 5 years, I had gained 50 pounds and become reclusive. How could I have Type 1 diabetes at 51 years old? Nowhere in my family history were any of these diseases present. Why me? My doctors had no answer and treated my dreadful symptoms while we waited for my organs to shut down.

                Within 1 week of removing lectins from my diet, I reduced my insulin usage from 5-12 units of Humalog per meal to 1-3 units. My nighttime use of Lantus went from 21 units to 12. My A1c went from 8.2 to 7.6. I was told by my endocrinologist I could discontinue my use of statins after 6 weeks on the diet and I have lost over 20 pounds with no exercise. The pain and swelling in my hands has dramatically reduced and is almost non-existent while my fine motor movement has improved. I ate some turkey for Thanksgiving that was not pasture raised and the very next day my fingers were painful and swollen once again. It took 5 days of strict adherence to the keto diet for the symptoms to dissipate. For the first time in 5 years, I FEEL better. The most incredible difference I have noticed is that after 7 weeks on the diet, I woke one day with spit in my mouth and dried tears in the corners of my eyes. I actually was able to blow my nose. If you suffer from Sjogren’s, this is huge news. My rheumatology bloodwork on January 17, 2018 shows absolutely no inflammation markers. NONE. I am still positive for Lupus but with no inflammation markers, I have had my eyesight destroying Plaquenil reduced from 200 mg/day to 100 mg/ day. These changes all occurred in less than 3 months.

                Prior to beginning this diet, I asked for a lectin sensitivity test from both my endocrinologist and rheumatologist. I was hoping to have some sort of baseline. Both refused because neither of them had ever heard of it and told me they were both current on treatments in their respective fields.

                Embarking on this diet was expensive… Everything in my cupboards was donated to a local food pantry with the exception of my olive oil. I have never enjoyed cooking, but all the recipes are delicious. So far, there is not one I wouldn’t make again. The book recommends 3 meals/day but I have difficulty just eating 2. I have no feelings of hunger and cravings are dramatically reduced. The thing I miss most is apples and peanut butter. 2 foods I was told I could have by nutrition counselors at my diabetes center and lived on for 5 years along with oatmeal, quinoa and whole grains, albeit unknowingly, destroying myself.

                So, anyone who wants to slam Dr. Gundry? I am living proof that his principles are sound. He doesn’t know me, I am not his patient nor do I purchase his supplements. The only money he has made off of me are for the purchase of his book and that book? It saved my life.

                1. Jeff, Have you examined the patient? Making a diagnosis and/or determining truth from fiction based only on a couple of paragraphs shows ignorance. Although, who am I to say what it “sounds like” to you?

                2. Jeff, my wife has been diagnosed with Raynaud’s, Sjogren’s, Behcet’s, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Osteporosis, and a handful of other nasties. They kind of all go together. Her pulmonologist (blood clots in lung,a very scary week) told her, Mrs. D, your specialists have given you disease names for your symptoms but truthfuly, your immune system is flat out attacking you. Looking at the above poster’s range of diseases, she seems to be in similar shape. I’m not in any way endorsing non evidenced based treatments in lieu of “diet cures all” treatment modalities but, regarding the diseases she’s been diagnosed with, I believe this lady. More important as to whether she’s truthful or not are the extraordinary claims by Mercola, Gundy, et al. Were their treatments as effective as they (and various testimonials) claim where are the peer reviewed studies supporting their claims? Also, if their treatment modalites were truly tat effective, these “alternative” treatments would be mainstream.

                  1. Big time typo –

                    Change – “I’m not in any way endorsing non evidenced based treatments in lieu of “diet cures all” treatment modalities” to
                    “I’m not in any way endorsing non evidenced based treatments in lieu of traditional evidenced based treatments”

                3. Jeff, I’m sorry but Your response showcases your ignorance about inflammation, the immune system and disease. Best to remain quiet and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

                4. Jeff, your comment is insensitive, I hope it is just a comment and that you are not as insensitive as it indicates. Seems like K Lyn went to many, many allopathic physicians and received various diagnoses based on allopathic training that teaches those practitioners to diagnose diseases, separately, and examine the human body in parts, not as a whole. Hence, the lengthy list of diagnoses.

                  A holistic practitioner, say, a Naturopathic Doctor (licensed as primary care physicians in Washington State, Oregon, I believe California, Arizona and Connecticut) would look at her symptoms and see connections among them and treat her as a whole person. I’m glad she found Dr. Gundry’s book, which I read and enjoyed. Seems like his ideas are sound, although unusual. However, following the usual advice has made America a very physically ill country. If all of her symptoms don’t resolve following Dr. Gundry’s book’s advice, I hope she sees a Naturopathic Doctor to get further help. I’m so glad she is getting so much better than she was!

                  You, on the other hand…..I don’t know enough about you. I can’t say you are insensitive and cruel based on one comment, just that, as stated above, the comment was insensitive and cruel.

                5. K Lyn Poltenson! (high five!) same here! I was a huge skeptic until my health got to the point where I felt I had nothing to lose. (gut issues) so I tried Dr.Gundrys method half ass just to see if there was anything to it. well guess what. I did the same thing u did. Got rid of my processed groceries. bought the book so I can follow the plan better an not half assed. didn’t bother with the supplements. and I’m seeing the results. I was able to avoid (gut surgery) because of the improvements that are taking place in my body. I been preaching to anyone who will listen, it works! and when u follow the method laid out it becomes personalized to each individual who follows it. and that what make s this approach unique. not everyone is the same and that’s why fad diets don’t work.

                  1. Glad you figured it out….I am thankful to have figured out via Gundry why my immune system was killing me.  Living pain free sure beats the heck out of 5 years of dying.

            1. I have started PP diet as I thought I am over weight diabetic so what could I lose. Since being on the diet I have migraine so I cut out the lemons but continue with migraine which I have not had in years and feel quite sick at times nauseated. I want to keep going any advice

              1. As there is no peer-reviewed published clinical evidence in support of any benefit from PP, you might want to follow what is known to be of benefit in clinical research, especially if you suffer from a disease that can easily kill you, such as diabetes. First, you must make any dietary changes under strict permission and supervision of the doctor that treats your diabetes as your blood glucose levels can drop rapidly resulting in death. Once you get permission and supervision, why not try this lifestyle that is proven to work….it’s WFPB of course, but the proof is here:

                Dr. Ben

                1. Strict permission from a doctor? Does this exclude the doctors who finished in the bottom half of their class (that includes fifty percent of able to give permission on your body. This rings of a small clique writing the rules for the majority because they have been anointed as superior. Kinda like those dystopian novels where free will is eradicated.

                  1. Aloha Robert: I think you misunderstood what I’m saying. It’s advise only.
                    As a healthcare professional, from an ethical point of view, I have to say “make any dietary changes with permission from your doctor” because if a brittle diabetic takes a solid dose of insulin one morning and then decides to create a WFPB diet eating nothing but two twigs of broccoli for the day, they may very well die from hypoglycemia. I don’t want to get blamed for that, which their doc should have warned them about. Hence the advice to “get permission.”

                    Dr. Ben

                1. I agree Alex. This possible”detox” affect has been experienced by myself and others I’ve talked to. Once the body is finished expelling these poisons life has become nothing but better for me, a true feeling of being rejuvenated!

              2. Hi Pam, you didn’t mention how long you’d been on the diet, but said that you’d been having migraines. I, too, experience headaches in the morning, but they go away after I’ve eaten. While I’ve only been on this diet for 10 days, and feeling a little sorry for having to give up some of my favorite foods, I realize that late onset diabetes runs in my family, and I don’t want to deal with that ever, if possible. I’m noticing that my body aches are disappearing, and that I no longer need an afternoon nap! Plus, an odd thing has happened, I’m quickly losing an interest in the foods I thought I couldn’t live without. Now, I know that I will cheat from time to time in the future, but I’m determined to see where this leads. No one else cares as much as I do, so I’m going to give it my best.

                1. I have been doing the plant paradox diet for three weeks. I felt better now than I have in a long time. I also suffer from migraines. By adding CoQ10 twice daily I have been migraine free.

              3. Your body is detoxing and adjusting to this new diet. Drink plenty of water to flush your body and wait it out, in a few weeks you will start to improve

              4. Hi, It is recommended that you take a tbs of MCT oil a couple times a day to help the body cope with the transition off bad carbs. Also your body is coping with detoxification so sauna or excercise that makes you sweat, drinking lots of pure water and making sure you increase magnesium intake could help significantly. The book outlines strategies to offset these symptoms. Also, primrose oil helps with certain types of migraines. I also use Young Living peppermint oil on temples and Deep Relief but I haven’t had migraines in a very long time. Don’t give up!

              5. You are probably detoxing. Often you go into reversal crisis of things you have had in the past as your body ditches meds and things from the past. Hang in there and let the diet work for you. Even my kids noticed I was walking much more and that I had lost a chin and weight

          2. I agree it is just another way for some doctor who knew someone that happened to take his super expensive supplements and wa la she is cured. Just another Diet Doctor making money off of sick people. And you know how some people are the more money they have the more they want. Seems like just another way to make more money than a plastic surgeon. I have an hourglass figure, soft silky skin, and I am not overweight, and I eat Kale and Celery shakes, and I really couldn’t believe it when he said that Kale has lectins it is going to make me sick. I’m not going for it. I am glad NutritionFacts.org is catching on to the diet scams. Thank you so much for your site, Robyn!!!
            XOXOXO Anna Maples

            1. You might try reading the book before commenting on it. He is a cardiologist and heart surgeon, not a plastic surgeon. Kale is on the good food list, as is celery, and nowhere does Dr. Gundry say kale has lectins – I just electronically searched the entire book.

            2. I’m not sure what an hourglass figure and other self-praise has to do with this topic but you are misleading people with the Kale comment. All leafy greens, Kale included, are encouraged as the primary source of nutrition in the plant paradox and DO NOT have lectins. There are only a handful of vegetables on the NO list and they are mostly nightshades and legumes. I only have a mild auto-immune skin condition but over the years, I’ve identified that tomatoes (especially raw with seeds), potatoes, dairy and wheat cause bad flare-ups and I’ve always wondered what on earth a tomato has in common with dairy. This book put it all together for me – lectins. I eat white rice occasionally, but otherwise, following these guidelines is the only thing that has completely resolved my issues. And another thing people keep misconstruing (conveniently?) – he says that lectins can be reduced with prep/cooking methods. Except for grains, you can destroy even the worst (bean lectins) by pressure cooking them. Even someone without an auto-immune disease can benefit from these guidelines without strict adherence. Also, lectin avoidance is only HALF of what Dr. Gundry conveys – the very important other half is gut flora health, which is pretty much universally acknowledged as vital.

            3. Kale and celery are on the yes list for this diet. There is a clear distinction between types of lectins and focuses on eliminating bad lectins that are binding to soft tissues and blasting holes in our gut causing leaky gut. This is verifiable independent scientific studies showing that ALL humans are being affected with gut impermability by some plant lectins which causes chronic inflammation, heart disease and many neurological diseases which are prevented by eliminating these plant toxins. You can be beautiful and skinny and have a sick heart, gut or brain but epigentics is proving that at some point you will exhaust you mYDNA and your system will begin to crash. Take a second look, worth the time. And, btw, I have exhausted research in Polyphenol supplementation and Gundry’s product is a very high performer and just added to the great results of the diet alone.

            4. I’m trying the diet. I have trouble losing weight and have arthritis as well as some clotting issues. What the heck? I might as well try. What’s the harm in cutting out nighshades and legumes for a while? His diet is similar to others in that it is all about eating good, organic food but for a few exceptions. Why all the haters? Everything becomes political these days. Of course I’m looking at these sites because I want to hear both sides. But all I see is pettiness. To his his/her own.

            5. Annamaples – Kale is not on the lectin avoidance list! Kale is a cruciferous vegetable and encouraged to eat on the lectin free diet.

              I am not a troll. I am so passionate about diet and food and try to read as much as I can to educate myself on the subject. I have read How Not To Die. Its a brilliant book that everyone should read. Thank you to everyone at Nutrition Facts for your hard work. However, after eating more whole grains and legumes as recommended I felt worse. I could understand it. I felt so sad that my digestion was suffering. EveryBody is different. Grains and legumes give me diarrhoea. I wish they didn’t as I love eating them but my body rejects them. All I am trying to do is listen to my body… and balance the evidence with how I feel and hope that I am doing whats right for me. I wish everyone good health x

          3. When I began the plant paradox 14 months ago, my ANAs were 6,250. At last labs they were 250. An achievement never realized through pharmaceuticals. Dr. Ben: bp 90/70. Lipid Panel? perfect.

        1. I tried some his products with no beneficial effects whatsoever. I think the brain takes over and “cures” things because it believes what you’ve read or heard. What’s that called again? Ah, yes, placebo effect! A lot of people suffer from that!

          1. Luigi – why would you disparage the placebo effect? That is the most powerful as it comes from the mind and statistically improves conditions WAY more than many medical interventions. Quantum healing is powerful as well. Any healing and improvement in symptoms or the condition is welcome.

          2. Or you were cheating on the diet. The products work when you aren’t consuming poisonous lectins which shit down the mtDNA that is supposed to be using ketones for energy but are shut off by counterfeit lectin proteins that attach to our cells. The Vital Reds is a powerful polyphenol supplement but can’t overcome genes that are being turned off already.

          3. Another factor related to the placebo effect is “confirmation bias” (which I believe Gundry himself suffers from), where one subconsciously looks for anything to support one’s preferred ideas, while filtering out anything that undermines them. Also, almost any fad diet may make you feel better or loose weight for a while, or for certain people with certain food sensitivities, but that is a far cry from evidence that they are healthy long term diets for most people. The main problem I have with Dr Gundry is that most of his claims are not supported by rigorous studies, or are refuted by many studies. Indeed, compared to rigorous researcher like Joel Fuhrman, Gundry cites relatively few references, and of the ones he does cite, many (if you check them out) turn out to not support what he claims, or worse, say virtually the opposite of what he claims. Check out Dr. Campbell’s critique for extensive documentation of this. https://fanaticcook.com/2017/08/31/dr-campbells-take-down-of-the-new-book-the-plant-paradox/

            1. I think the Doc is wrapped up in his history. He believes he’s infallible and anything he “thinks” that has any relationship to science must be true. He knows nothing about diet and food combining but blusters on with his revelations backed by fake science

        2. I just finished the Cleanse, on Phase 1.
          I eat a healthy plant based diet, for many years. So I thought.
          I’ m reading the book, a present from a friend, because I was complainig of pains all over. u
          I am 7 ; I’m not fat, but a bit paunchy.
          In 3 days, I lost 6 pounds and, pains were gone. Lectins??
          Starting Phase 2. Despite the vídeo I just watched, I’m gonna give a try, for the next 6 weeks.
          Not a sacrifice; an experiment.
          I even bought an electric pressure cooker, to help me dispose of lectins. The stove top one, is a much more inconvenient tool.

        3. I have a host of autoimmune issues and non-systemic Mastocytosis. I started on the plant paradox diet and went from 4 foods I could eat without getting too ill to more than 20 now. Haven’t felt this good in 35 years.

          1. Leslie,

            Awesome….. and good work. It’s essential that we all find what works well for our bodies.

            I’m going to suggest that you eliminated a host of not only inflammatory foods, but also those that you were intolerant to by the exclusion. Not an endorsement of any specific diet, just an observation borne out by seeing thousands of patients.

            Keep experimenting and feeling great.

            Dr. Alan Kadish moderator for Dr. Greger http://www.Centerofhealth.com

    2. One thing you could consider doing with your doctor would be to arrange to have you serum inflammation levels checked on your usual diet. Then eat high starch (like a McDougall style diet) for a week and have it retested to see if it went up or down. You could then do a week on a low starch diet and test again and see how the inflammation markers have moved. Then you would know how such a diet affects you specifically and you wouldn’t have to wonder about it.

      Good luck and best of health to you.
      Mark G

      1. ive always been a bit chunky in the gut, i lift am built but had a little gut, well after drinking excessively for a few months after turning 50 my wife said i had 5 chins. i started researching everything, and this video just happened to be on MSN. i tried it with a probiotic, i ate non lectin foods and still kept off teh 20 pounds and still probably drink too much on the weekends.
        Try it – my brother saw me this summer and said what are you doing. I told him no tomatoes or wheat bread he laughed and said the guy was a quack. a few weeks later he called me frustrated and said send me the video.. when i talked to him he laughed and said Gundry was one of the guys that backed Mercks heart drugs when he was involved with the heart drugs. my brother lost 12 pounds. try it -i did
        im an unpaid follower. Gundry is God!!!

    3. Hi Aaron,
      First thanks to Dr. Greger and team for putting together this video. I now have a place to refer folks who ask me about this latest “diet”. Having practiced for over 40 years I am always amazed at the “creativity” of the next “nutritional” approach. The good news is that legitimate science over the last 40 years has given us the basis to make sound recommendations.

      In my experience the issue of inflammation and autoimmune “diets” is not as straight forward as treating type two diabetes and hypertension. As a Family Medicine physician who has had the rare privilege of learning from and working with John McDougall MD and his staff while seeing patients at his clinic over the last 6 years I have had to answer many questions relating to autoimmune “diets”. I have also had the opportunity to meet and be influenced by the staff at TrueNorth Health Center also in Santa Rosa CA.

      I have come to realize that each person is “an experiment of one”. That said there are some general approaches which can help each person figure out what they need to do to be healthy. I advise all my patients to go on a whole plant diet without oils. They need to make sure they get adequate Vitamin B-12. Iodine is usually adequate in foods and/or due to the iodization of most salt. Folks following a salt free diet may need supplementation. Vitamin D is best obtained by adequate sunlight exposure but the need to take supplementation may need to be considered… see Dr. Greger’s video’s on these issues. If after following a whole food plant diet folks with autoimmune disorders… and there are well over 100 including Ankylosing Spondylitis… may need to take some additional steps… first if consuming packaged foods you have to make sure there are no animal products added. Label reading is a challenge that doesn’t need to be mastered if you consume foods without labels. It can take folks “systems” months to adjust to a whole plant diet from the more common “standard american diet”. This approach leads to improvement and resolution in many individuals. I also generally advise patients to avoid chemicals by supporting organic when they can. This also avoids the consumption of GMO products based on “the precautionary principle”. However, some individuals will have trouble with certain plant products and need to eliminate them as well. Whether you label this “allergy” or “intolerance” the proof is in the improvement with eliminating them from your diet. Testing can be helpful but isn’t always necessary. Skin, blood and stool testing can be helpful but a plant can cause problem if the testing is negative and may not be a problem if the testing is positive. There are many elimination diets out there. Dr. McDougall’s December 2002 newsletter article, Diet for the Desperate, gives some good information. In persons with one chronic disease eating correctly will help avoid other chronic diseases thus decreasing the likelihood of disability in later life. In my clinical experience starches such as sweet potatoes, rice and potatoes are not usually a problem but certain whole plant foods that contain starches such as wheat and soy can be. Good luck as you work with your clinicians to figure it out. It can be a challenge. Stay tuned to NF.org as the science keeps coming.

    4. One big difference between chimpanzees and humans is the amount of amylase in the saliva. Amylases are enzymes produced in the salivary glands and pancreas to initiate the breakdown of starches. Humans produce more amylases than chimpanzees because our diet has evolved to eat more starches than fruits.

      A whole-food, plant-based diet ignoring starches is problematic. Dr John McDougall has a lot of information on this subject.

      1. ron,

        since you can’t skip the video, you can just play it or stop it, it would be best if you just told us what’s he saying.


        Moderator Adam P.

      2. After reading so many objections to Dr. Grundy’s methods for acquiring better health …it leads me to wonder ????
        Billions of people suffer with chronic diseases and ‘ big ole pharmacy ‘ keeps those pills rolling that our doctors are prescribing…and billions of people are continuing to suffer from the same chronic diseases….just wondering ….

    5. Dr. Greger, your answer tO Dr. Gundry’s book/ “The Plant Paradox” had me bent over laughing! You’re a riot how you refute these guys! Just love your YouTube channel and you’re a prince of a man! G-d bless!

    6. Some research suggests that starchy root vegetables actually increases hyaluronic acid production which helps to lubricate joints so they may actually be specifically beneficial if this is true.

    7. Hey Aaron, I have Ankylosing Spondylitis. A year ago, I suffered from flares after flares and maxed out on NSAIDS and Sulfasalazine, rheumatologist wanted to put me on Biologics. I asked for 3 months to decide. And I started eating whole food plant based, (including starches!). A year later, I am in remission, rarely take Celebrex, no Biologics. I do ocean swims, hike, sail etc. (of course I still have to listen to my body) but I highly recommend you try this approach, it changed my life.

      1. Hi Kyra,

        Good to hear you are in remission. I have had a similar experience with a plant based diet including starches in the last 6 weeks, I’m not getting my hopes up just yet as it has only been 6 weeks but still quite amazing so far.

        I wish Dr Gregor would address this as there is virtually no evidence for a plant based diet having benefits for AS that I can find apart from a single case study, and really evidence to the contrary considering the removal of starch bringing benefits. I have my own theory as to what’s happening but of course I would prefer some proof from credible sources!

        Thanks for the reply and hope you have continued good health!

    8. there are so many people replying below touting gundry. But what was the baseline for these people? Were they over weight and eating junk food. Of course if you fit that description you will feel better eating the gundry way. This is the scientific part that they don’t want to address. There is no science that backs gundry’s claim. He is playing the odds that most who come to him for help have a traditionally CRAPPY AMERICAN DIET AND ARE OVERWEIGHT.

      1. On the contrary. Read the comments. I, for one, was vegan for years. Followed some great vegan role models but got leaky gut and sick/deficient in several ways. Now I’m doing so much better on a much more balanced diet including good oils and some animal protein. Dr. Gundry is really on to something solid, helping many people, including myself. There is tremendous variety in the plant world. Not all lectin-containing plants are ok for all people. All of my problem foods have the common denominator of being high in lectins. If I hadn’t found his book I’d still be sick, trying to figure out what was wrong with my diet.

    9. Thank you Dr. Gregor, for shining a little light on this nonsense. Dr. Gundry’s annoying advertisements keep popping up on my computer screen. This morning while I was watching “Vegan 2018 – The Film” and enjoying it very much, up pops Dr. Gundry, and that was just too much, so I asked myself the question that keeps me grounded these days, “What would Dr. Gregor say?”, and you never let me down, you said exactly what I knew you would, so again, thank you. I first read your remarkable book almost 3 years ago, and before I finished the first section, how not to die from… I cleaned out my cupboards, refrigerator, and freezer and took a trip to the market to stock up on beans, fruits, greens and other veggies, whole grains and all the other components of a whole food, plant based diet. I have followed that plan for nearly three years, and have never felt better. I’m 73, my blood pressure is below the “ideal 120/80, my blood panel is normal and I take no medication of any kind. You are my hero, Dr. Gregor, and I agree with a recent comment that suggested you be given a Nobel Prize…immediately!!

      1. Catherine I have been following your diet to a T eating plant based beans grains no sugar or any processed foods .Have been doing this diet for the last 6 years lots of smoothies fruit minimal amounts of meat . but all of a sudden parkinsons creeps in in the last 2 years any advice I blame it on lectins I just started Dr Ghundry s diet and feel better already

        1. Glad you are feeling better but it’s possible you may be benefitting from cutting down on the processed foods which is one positive message in the Plant Paradox which unfortunately also includes many many recommendations fly in the fact of well-accepted research. Glad you’re feeling better, Certainly cutting back on foods such as beans which are known to be eaten by the longest-lived healthy agers (Blue Zones research) is questionable and following Dr. Gundry’s advice wholeheartedly is associated with significant health problems
          As you can see from the comments, credible folks who stick to the science, besides Dr Greger. have roundly debunked The Plant Paradox and have given good reasons to question the claims of Dr. Gundry. (For example, see well-respected nutrition experts’ views:
          I’m sure you’ve researched what is known about Parkinson’s disease and have learned that the claims by Dr. Gundry are not reflected in research-based recommendations for lifestyle changes.Here are 3 well-researched articles discussing causes of Parkinsons which while mentioning aging as the most clearly-associated risk, do not mention leptins:
          Cut out the lectins if you feel you must,but do be careful in adopting other recommendations that have no basis in research.
          Best of health as you do the best you can dealing with the Parkinson’s.Do check out this video if you haven’t yet https://nutritionfacts.org/2013/08/29/treating-parkinsons-disease-with-diet/ as well as several others on Parkinson’s

    10. Whoever did this video obviously hasn’t read Dr. Gundry’s book. In it, he not only gives you the golden key to good health, he also explains how and why certain individuals and cultures are resistant to the ill effects of lectins and therefore not effected by the consumption of them, so siting these instances as this video does, offers no value and no proof that Dr. Gundry / The Plant Paradox is “wrong”. Dr. Gundry’s research and methods have helped tens of thousands of people, including myself. This video is an obvious attempt to take some of that fame and focus off of Dr. Gundry and put it onto someone who is less successful. And that’s not only unethical, it is also cruel to people who believe what is being said in this vid and are suffering from the diseases that Dr. Gundry cures, thereby robbing them of the opportunity to regain ultimate health. The voice alone in this video should give you a clue as to the level of insidious deception that is engaged here…the tone of voice is decidedly manipulative, using a lilt that is designed to dis and belittle the target (Dr Gundry) with every word. The sad thing is, im sure whoever did this video could help people without trying to ruin another doctor’s rep. Different methods help different people. For one to be “right” and effective, another does not have to be “wrong.” The proof is in Dr. Gundry’s high success rate and the huge number of happy, healthy patients and followers. He doesn’t dis other methods, he just offeres his findings (based on decades of research and thousands of case studies) as one possible solution to a great many common ailments in this country.

  1. IT IS very important for those new to Nutrition Facts and Dr. Greger to note that you should NOT be overly influenced by any one commenter in these comment sections, especially when their comments are contrary to the years of videos collected here, and they offer nothing but links to largely disproven articles and videos produced by others (with other motivations in some cases). In some cases they may not have even read How Not to Die, yet.

    Please make a note of it.

    1. I notice Gundry cautions people about eating raw kidney beans, due to the lectins – and they should be pressure cooked to reduce them.
      From LiveStrong;
      “Symptoms of kidney bean lectin poisoning start one to three hours after eating the beans and include severe gastrointestinal symptoms, including severe nausea and vomiting. Diarrhea follows within a few hours; some people also develop abdominal pain. Most people recover rapidly, although some require hospitalization and intravenous fluids. Outbreaks are reported more frequently in the United Kingdom than in the United States, which may be related to better recognition and diagnosis of symptoms in the U.K. or more frequent consumption of dried beans. Lectin causes gastrointestinal symptoms by interfering with the mucosal layer of the intestine, possibly binding to the intestinal cell walls.”
      While one item may not debunk and entire approach, I think the lectin danger is reasonably presented.

    1. Thanks for reminding me Joe Caner. This page is well worth reading – it’s information on causes and a diet protocol (Paddison Program) that is essentially an elimination diet that starts off low starch (though I chose to eat sweet potatoes and did well ) http://doctorklaper.com/answers/answers07 . The diet description is also given, with suggestions for reintroducing foods over time. Here is an introductory video of Clint Paddison for anyone interested https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0pOZ5oCOmNw

  2. If this is your first video, or first week of Nutrition Facts exposure, please do read the doctor’s notes and note all the supporting/relevant videos he lists there. Also note that the archive is fully searchable and that all sources are listed for YOU to be able to read the reports yourself and answer many of your other questions.

    There is no prohibition against discussion of dissenting ideas and positions but please realize that this site is about the nutrition facts as found by the latest research, and OFTEN these things will be somewhat different from mainstream and popular belief and thoughts. Also that facts are subject to change depending upon findings, and that nutritional research is a difficult task for many reasons.

    Most common questions and conflicts on very many subjects have been previously addressed and can be found, along with the supporting studies and discussion if one will simply take a few minutes to look for them.

    We are glad to have you here with open mind and ready palate. WFPB works for so many of us, and works well! We hope to support your transition and create a tide of change. Thanks for stopping in.

    1. Unfortunately I’ll bet that a year’s worth of “Dr. G” type videos could be made debunking current-selling diet/nutrition/health books without any shortage of material.

      And there’s an idea for someone with time and few dollars to explore…

        1. It is sad because it confuses people. And I have been asked “well is he a quack?” And I say yes people get so mad. After all he is an MD! I live in Los Angeles and my patients see him. What a mess.

          1. Absolutely. It’s so bothersome to listen to Dr. Gundry with such strong credentials make statements that seem believable. I can only think he is using them sell his books and products.

  3. I’ve decided I’m going to write a book: The World is Really Flat – How Scientists Are Still Getting it Wrong. I’m thinking it will become a New York Times Bestseller within a year.

    (I’m certain Ryan will make an exception for me, because my scientific credentials are impeccable: I’m a realtor who specializes in oceanfront properties in Arizona.)

  4. A big topic in Dr. Gundry’s book is the connection between lectins and autoimmunity which you completely skipped over, maybe in the next video? I understand it’s hard to take someone seriously when they cite BS like the study you pointed out, but please address the autoimmune/food sensitivity connection. I DO react to high lectin foods. I was eating all foods including grains and beans until ten years ago when I took a prescription medication called Accutane that presumably damaged or changed something within my gut/immune system. My food intolerance started with wheat and over time included beans, grains, eggs, dairy, potatoes and many other foods with minor reactions are suspected. If I want to function without joint pain and fatigue I eat lots of fruit, greens and sweet potatoes but I am afraid I will become sensitive to these as well. Maybe high lectin foods don’t cause autoimmunity, but perhaps once someone is in a autoimmune state lectins provoke the issue.

    Dr. Gundry promotes a plant based diet in his book and includes vegan meal plans. Unfortunately even after pressure cooking the beans to supposedly remove lectins, I still react to them just not as bad.

    1. Lee, in the Doctor’s Note above Dr. G states:

      “You’ll note I never really addressed Dr. Gundry’s thesis about lectins. That’s what the next two videos are about—stay tuned:

      How to Avoid Lectin Poisoning
      Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You?”

      So please stay tuned.

    2. Lee I became vegan in 1987. I feed myself, make my own meals, and do not consume vegan fast foods/prepackaged meals.
      I am not an expert here but I wonder if a probiotic or digestive enzyme supplement would help you.
      Just my 2 cents but I find the best way to process beans is to soak them for 24 (or 48 )hours, then throw away the soak water and cook with them.
      You will remove most of the phytic acid, lots of the gassy issues this way. and less time is spent cooking.
      You can also sprout them for 2 days more and increase the nutrition. Lentils are smaller so I soak them overnight, then put them in a colander
      rinse them 2x daily and sprout them for 2 days (and i eat these raw). I also believe that all nuts, seeds, and grains should be soaked and then the
      soak water removed before consuming. I soak brown rice for 8 hours but quinoa in 3 hours unless you choose to sprout it also. Soaking makes the
      grains much quicker to cook. namaste’, rachel

      1. 24-48 hours soaking seems like excessive. After only overnight soaking, high protein beans start to release white bubble with foul smell. Unchanged 48 straight soaking instills the foul odor in beans in my case and isn’t removed with numerous rinses. I find soaking overnight, rinsing and letting it sprout before cooking is the best method with beans.

        1. I am glad that works for you. I find longer soaking and rinsing once or twice works best for me and semi-sprouting in the process. Beans are HARD and long soaking starts the enzyme process. namaste’, rachel

  5. Dr. Greger, you are a true, passionate nutrition scientist and lifestyle physician. Thank you. I would like to know how a Dr. Gundry, a person with a medical license is allowed to publish quackery? I appreciate the facts you have exposed concerning Dr. Gundry’s blatent misinformation, and you should expose nutritional quackery as loud as you can for the protection of millions who buy Dr. Gundry’s criminal claims, along with his expensive bottles of snake oils. Sometimes, Dr. Greger, you gotta jump up and down, yell like hell, and expose the rotten apples. Dr. Gundry, based on his own first citation, is a nutrition charleton. As far as the rest of his practice, God help his poor patients. Again, I relish your zeal Dr. Greger. Thank you and all your associates for keeping us truthfully educated about all things nutritional!

    1. Sadly, the world we live in does not take people to task… or in some cases, just does not dwell on a person who intentionally mispeaks and we move on to something else.

      During simpler times when we were more connected by newspapers, radio, 3 network TV, we could act as one to denounce such blatant disregard for the truth. Nowadays, truth equates to what you want to believe. If you like someone who says the earth is flat, then for you anyway, the earth is flat.

      I had coffee with a friend yesterday who was unaware of the Equifax data hack and their (Equifax’s) seeming unconcern for those affected.

      I thought, “That’s great, he has been pretty much disconnected from the news cycle.” But on the other hand, this is one of those stories that dominates all the news cycles and is one of those cohesive news stories that affect almost everyone, so we don’t want to miss those.

      I guess that what I’m trying to say is there is little or no accountability anymore. But like someone suggested, we should take Equifax to small claims court. If enough people did that Equifax would take this a lot more seriously and would probably be put out of business… a fitting result.

      And wouldn’t it be nice if there were some sort of financial penalty on those who (probably) cite falsely as Dr Greger has demonstrated in this video?

      There has to be a penalty for these types of behaviour… simply calling them out… even shaming them, just doesn’t work.

        1. True, a majority of people can be easily fooled by professional credentials, and references citing published data, none of which the casual reader will ever read themselves. Education is a long, long road. I’ve been studying nutrition since the 1990’s, starting with Jean Carper’s books. Over the years I’ve read (and marked up) at least 20, and skimmed another 30 or so. It’s taken me a long time to come up with my own decision as to what is “right” and what is “wrong”. A newbie can easily be fooled

  6. I fell like this all the time with my non-medics friends and often even with medics.
    Dramatically lot of people have to deal with confusing information that go from different directions and they don’t really have any idea of how to find out what is true and what is false.
    Sometines they have, but this inertion thing coming up “if this is tru, then why nobody tells about this?” and they left at harming lifestyle.

  7. Thank you for this video on lectins. I look forward to the following ones. I read Dr. Gundry’s book, and was troubled by cognitive dissonance between what he found and most of the other dietary advice I’ve encountered.

    One compelling point that Dr. Gundry made still troubles me. Virtually all cultures in which rice is a staple use white rice. Dr. Gundry says it’s because of the lectins in the hull. If we discount that and ask why the white rice, a facile answer is that these cultures use white rice just because it tastes better. I have more faith in the wisdom of traditional cultures than to accept that a major fraction of the world’s population has, for eons, chosen the less healthy alternative. What is the reason that virtually all dietary traditions prefer white over whole rice?

    1. What is the reason that virtually all dietary traditions prefer white over whole rice?

      As a writer, if I were writing a script of this story to be made into a movie I would start by identifying a Triad of powerful interests who recognized that the earth would eventually be over-populated unless something was done at the early stage of the population growth. Thus, they refined rice and sugar to the point where they turned us into dying blobs of addicts.

      Imagine where we would be population-wise if these far sighted entities had not acted when they did. ‘-)

      1. I think I read somewhere that the preference for white over brown rice was a status or class thing in some countries. Only the upper classes could afford to pay the extra cost for “refined” rice, so it became a status symbol to be able to consume same.

        1. White rice has “white privilege” , so we need affirmative action law to be enacted in order to give other rice a fair chance ,lol. ….. OK I’m not a doctor ,but I’ll come and take a look anyway. (:

    2. White rice can be stored for long — very long — periods of time, and with no refrigeration. That’s because all the oils are removed, oils that can otherwise go rancid. Once people discovered this huge advantage, they switched to white rice. Only recently have we realized the nutritional cost.

        1. I think you should listen to yourself; “Gundry may be right because the world likes white rice” ?!
          Get a grip.
          Gundry’s attraction is his surgical credentials and possible Adventist (usually ethical) associations. Remove these(i.e. look at claims and proofs only) and you are left with a cheap fraud.

    3. I think the answer is that they don’t. The modern cultures do, the traditional cultures didn’t. Gundry’s claim is misleading.

      Traditionally, all those cultures ate brown rice. It is only in the last three or four hundred years that milled white rice has become available to common people. It is no surprise that Berberi only became a widespread problem when white rice consumption became common.

      I suspect modern Asian cultures eat it because brown rice was traditionally eaten by poor people and white rice was rare, expensive and available only to the wealthy. Apart from being associated with poverty, brown rice also takes longer to cook and therefore increases fuel costs.

      As an aside, my father grew up in the Depression and would only ever eat white bread …. because only the desperately poor ate brown bread at that time.

      1. Thank you, Tom. It’s usually hard to know reasons for traditional customs, and imposing our logic on it doesn’t help. As with the case of your father, English peasants ate white bread whenever they could, and as the Irish were too poor to afford that they could only eat potatoes, and therefore were healthier.

    4. Hey Garret, thanks for writing! My understanding is that these cultures learned to prefer white rice because, long ago and before the benefits of whole grains were known, white rice was considered ‘purer’ because of it’s color, and was what well-to-do people ate – i.e., more refined people ate more refined grains. (This wouldn’t be the first time that wealthier people made poorer dietary choices; in fact, they seem to have a knack for it!) But if we consider that they ate a lot of vegetables with their rice – whereas, Americans eat meatloaf or other animal foods with their rice and tend to skip the vegetables – we can understand how they got away with the trade-off of a less healthy version of rice.

  8. YES!! Please be much more reactive. These misleading and dangerous books enter the paleo echo chamber, casting doubt on hard science. Plantpositive.org has done an amazing and meticulous job of addressing these canards point-by-point, study-by-study. Its worth listening to the many hours of videos he’s generated, more than once. Dr. Greger should do the same and not feel he has to take some imagined self-imposed “high road” when lives are at stake. These false dichotomies have to be vigorously nipped at the bud. Take off the gloves Dr. Greger!

    1. I agree, Paul. I especially would like a review of the Cruise Control Diet with Dr. Ward. This book indicates that faucet water will make you gain weight and red apples and fruit (except for berries and green apples) are terrible for you, but eggs are great. This sounds shady to me.

    2. Respectfully, I must disagree. Staging media battles never benefited political discourse in this country, and it is unlikely to promote public understanding of nutrition.

      All research and evaluation takes time for careful consideration, not a talent for invective and turns-of-phrase, however entertaining. Put differently, truth is not a consumer commodity like public relations, to be produced, packaged and pushed on the public

      Yet having the truth about nutrition facts is a literal matter of life and death, and a no flotilla of websites and media mastery can deny science. Leave the media battles for entertainment, and concentrate on the research.

      1. i think you are forgetting about someone here-choosing not to consume the flesh, milk or eggs of exploited, tortured and brutally murdered farmed animals is also a matter of life or death for both human animals, their non-human victims and the environment upon which all life depends.

        as Dr. Greger himself said “The most ethical diet just so happens to be the most environmentally sound diet and just so happens to be the healthiest”

      2. I don’t believe I ever implied the need to stage “media battles”. Research is critical but if the fruits of that research is ignored, what good is it? I suggest you take a look at the book “Merchants of Doubt” to see how a wealth of research can be rendered utterly useless by people such as Grundy. Do you really deny the power of the multi-billion dollar advertising industry? If you want a perfect example how standing up to these purveyors of false propaganda can be dealt with directly and forcefully with a solid research-based approach, you should take the time to experience the Plantpositive.org website. I believe you will be impressed with how one can use research to directly confront the people promoting this vast campaign of disinformation. Its almost arrogant to just say, well, we’ve done the research and it should just sell itself. No, the forces against what Dr. Greger and others are presenting on nutrition are so powerful that we can’t afford to take your complacent approach.

        1. “Research is critical but if the fruit of that research is ignored, what good is it?”

          The fruit from research should be ignored by most of us until it has ripened – many fitness and diet fads have been the result of premature overgeneralization of some misunderstood bit of research. That said, I am also of the opinion that real world positive results, aka “anecdotal evidence”, should not be ignored or disparaged out of hand just because there was no control group or double-blind methodology involved.

          As a total newbie here, the tone seems a little shrill…

          1. I am not sure what you mean by “shrill”. The advice perpetrated by some of these authors can do significant damage and hurt people.

            Yes, “anecdotes” aren’t necessarily unscientific. If there is one subject whose response to a diet change can be demonstrated to be causal (peanut allergy, for instance) that’s pretty convincing. But to generalize to a larger population one usually needs larger samples with controls.

      3. alpaaoo10: I absolutely agree that research, the kind Greger, Campbell, McDougall and other promote are essential. The truth always shines through. I do believe it is our responsibility to promote these truths wherever and wherever we are confronted with the lies promoted by the processed food and animal industries, in addition to their henchmen in the medical industry and politics. Check out my comments on an article on cancer drugs in the NY Times as an example of what I believe those in the WFPB movement should be doing in the media:https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/2017/09/11/health/cancer-drug-costs.html

        I’d like to hear your thoughts!

  9. I spent so many years buying into garbage like Gundry’s. I’m just happy that I found this site and read Dr. Greger’s book before it was too late. I’m still recovering from plenty of gut damage from keto, but I’m getting there.

    1. I’m still recovering from plenty of gut damage from keto, but I’m getting there.

      Jack, I was unaware of any potential gut damage from eating keto.

      I was just reading this article on ketogenics earlier this morning and saw no reference to that possibility. If you have a handy reference you could share, it would be most appreciated. I’m interested because I am on a loosely followed MCT Ketogenic diet and would like to know more of the danger you infer.

      Thanks in advance.

    2. Just curious– what was your point of concrete doubt about Gundry? The damage you sensed (tested to confirm?), or something else– a reading, or other study?

  10. Frankly, I haven’t felt the need to waste my time reading Gundry’s stuff. Thought as soon as I saw what he’s selling, that he’s a charleton. There will always be some people who react badly to almost any food. But people in many cultures have been eating beans for centuries, and thriving on them. Certainly healthier than hamburger!
    Sad that so many MD’s these days have no integrity.
    Thank you Dr. Gregor for your integrity, and for doing this video.

    1. Mercola and Gundry are money grubers and are not concerned with the scientific evidence that Dr. Greger has gathered together in order to improve the health of everyone. Dr. Greger does not sell supplements.

  11. Hi Dr Greger,

    I am troubled by few things you said in this video.
    I teach nutrition in medical school and I researched egg yolk relation to cholesterol and majority of studies show that eating 6 eggs a week does not raise cholesterol and consensus is that fats and worst being saturated and transfats raise cholesterol, but cholesterol does not raise cholesterol. Cholesterol synthesis also increases if people are insulin resistant and eat too many calories, a scenario where cholesterol and triglycerides increase.
    As for lectins, I am looking forward to your next videos. There are people who truly cannot eat beans. I come from Lebanon and my mother who had IBS like many in my country, would remove all seeds from tomatoes ( where lectin are) before eating them. In my country too, no one eats raw nuts ( high lectins) unless you soak them in water for a long time or unless you roast them ( 2 processes that remove lectins) . Also beans and lentils were really cooked until very tender ( which helps remove lectins) , something I do not see done in USA.
    So the issue may be to look back at traditional ways of cooking high lectin foods and learn from them.

    1. Maybe since you teach nutrition in med school, you can communicate the overwhelming evidence that inflammation is the current paradigm that explains most chronic diseases? Forget cholesterol for a minute; think about the other ways eggs are pro-inflammatory: their oxysterol content, advanced glycation end products, and arachidonic acid. BTW, good luck teaching an audience of individuals whose paradigm for treating disease is working for enriching the coffers of whichever drug companies tell the most convincing lies.

      1. Yes eggs could be inflammatory in other ways, but to say that they increase cholesterol is contrary to current evidence

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        1. Raja Jaber, I think the “current evidence” you mentioned might be that which was funded by the American Egg Board & have since been debunked.

          1. No Nancy..
            There are several studies showing eggs do not raise cholesterol level

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              1. How about: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/british-journal-of-nutrition/article/egg-consumption-serum-total-cholesterol-concentrations-and-coronary-heart-disease-incidence-japan-public-health-centerbased-prospective-study/2A24A859FCD996E218BE5F41D42343B6/core-reader .

                I mean you could look at some of the studies that pop up on pubmed yourself? I’ve yet to find one (on my own) that actually says that the consumption of eggs increases your cholesterol. It doesn’t seem to be very easy to find for something so “universally agreed upon”.

    2. Watch this video again for the direct interventional evidence of eggs raising cholesterol. What more do you need? Interventional tests are the gold-standard of thescientific method.

      1. I only eat responsibly produced eggs, cage free, roaming free..

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        1. Why don’t you at least go to the link ahimsa42 recommended. You are fooling yourself if you believe you are eating “responsibly”. For instance, the egg industry summarily gases, or grinds up millions of male chicks each year since they are seen as useless to the industry. “Cage-free” is a euphemism. But if you want to protect your conscience, which you clearly have, ignore this information.

    3. I was wondering the same. Everyone with two brain cells can look up studies on cholesterol and eggs on pubmed and I have yet to find an obvious answer. All of them (so far) seem to contradict Dr Greger. I will look into the study he cites and also if I find more on this topic.

      I’m really disgusted by the echo chamber identity politics circle jerk that goes on in this comments section. They are full of prais and lack any brains. Just regurgitating and shoulder padding. THAT’S NOT SCIENCE. I just wonder why Dr Greger tolerates this crap. It’s not reflecting well on him sadly and I really do like the contents of his videos. Not so much the tone and the “humor” though. The comment section really lacks any “soul” and there’s no real conversation going on here.

  12. Dr Greger- Thanks for your work and I agree with you most of the time.I am a whole food vegan (98%) person and physician. I had 3 chronic patients where the low lectin diet (including pressure cooked beans) made significant changes when nothing else did (including whole food vegan diets). One had asbergers, one chronic back pain and one chronic sinus issues. All resolved on a low lectin diet.. I have also had dozens of people who resolved chronic issues going off nightshades, gluten, etc. I think to make universal generalizations based on reading studies can miss the point sometimes. People are different and there are subsets of people who can get better with specific interventions that don’t necessarily fit our paradigms. I do think Dr Gundrys supplements are overpriced but I know patients of his and he doesn’t push his brand at all to his patients. Those of us who treat chronically ill patients especially with autoimmune issues and do not prescribe pharmaceuticals and get patients flying in from all over the country – see results with various protocols. Alot of our impressions are a result of the feedback we get from the patients. I was able to avoid hip surgery by avoiding nightshades for instance. You do great work but please do not get sarcastic about some other protocols that may be very valuable for some people unless you have tried them on patients who have not responded to other natural interventions.

    1. Hello I am a physician too and am interested in story of cooking beans to decrease lectins, so long cooking is key? with or without pressure cooker?.

    2. Asbergers?

      That curious faux pas aside, I agree that we aren’t all from the same cookie cutter.

      Like nightshades… Tom Brady doesn’t eat tomatoes because he claims they cause inflammation… and look what happened to him last Thursday night.

      Not sayin’ the lack of tomatoes caused him to lose… not sayin’ it didn’t either. ‘-)

      1. @Miles Davis–
        At a glance, I could understand how Michael might consider sarcasm to be egregious and offensive, particularly when a party is innocent of wrongdoing.

        But industry is anything but innocent. And like you, I find Dr. Greger’s gentle sarcasm well-placed, and entirely in context. At best, sarcasm serves to make the point in a way few other expressions can.

        If only industry understood the terrible reputation it has with consumers– many of whom suffer health damage as a direct result of unhealthy products for which they have paid entirely too dearly– industry would consider sarcasm a small price to pay as they rushed to clean up their act.

        And Dr. Greger’s sarcasm would be heard no more.

        But we need not worry, at least about sensitive feelings and emotional injury on an industrial scale. Since industry public relations harbors some of the most cynical, hardened, serial offenders in the realm of public trust, they clearly are the least offended by Dr. Greger’s exposés. In fact, they probably enjoy them.

    3. Thank you for this voice of reason. I do get tired of the one size fits all approach that seems to be put forth as the holy grail. We are all individuals and as such our needs are different. Also I would like to point out an error in this video. A tomato study was used to debunk the book but if one actually reads the study it was done with tomato juice without seeds nor skins which is exactly how the book suggests to eat tomatoes. I did not enjoy the sarcasm employed in this video. Dr. Greger you are better than this.

    4. Great comment!
      I also found the video too sarcastic.
      Reading Gundry’s book, I did find the content quite surprising, but he sounds very responsible all thru.
      Many well established notions, have been challenged recently, moreover, with such huge changes in agriculture, breeding and foodmaking practices.
      His medical credentials are quite impressive.
      And, why, being able to make a lot of money with surgeries. do he offer the Plan Paradox Program instead?a
      I am trying the Program and, will not buy any of his supplements.

      1. Obviously following The Plant Paradox guidelines will improve someone’s health if they are currently eating a diet of processed and fast foods (chips, candy, soda, McDonald’s, etc.). However, the issue here is that Dr. Gundry claims that fruits, legumes, and actual whole grains such as brown rice — staple foods in the diets of the healthiest population on Earth — are at the root of the chronic disease and obesity epidemic. This is where any logical person should smell a rat. Then there’s the fact that the foods Dr. Gundry does recommend eating — grass-fed meats, shellfish, non-starchy veggies, berries — also contain lectins. So Dr. Gundry is making the bizarre claim that lectins in cooked legumes and raw fruits are bad, but lectins in non-starchy veggies, seafood, and berries are good. It makes absolutely no sense from a logical or scientific perspective. The third mistake Dr. Gundry makes is assuming that plant lectins are bad for health when there is a plethora of research supporting the contention that plant lectins actually help prevent cancer. Avoiding plant lectins is probably a bad idea if you are interested in preventing cancer.


        Dr. Jamie Koonce

    5. I would like to know if there is protocol for treating Polymyositis that my fiancé has.. I have Dr Gundry Plant Paradox book and I’m gearing up to start it with him.
      I have read in his book that autoimmune disease symptoms can be helped. I am aware there is no cure. He does not want the treatment of drugs with the side effects. He is in physical therapy to help keep the muscles from atrophy. He does not sleep well due to pain, has headaches and no energy.
      Any suggestions/help will be much appreciated.
      Thank you

  13. Please Dr. Greger stick to reporting on the science you find. Their are so many of these charlatans promoting their ridiculous ideas that you would be completely wasting your most valuable time. Anthony

    1. Its not a waste of time at all. These “entrepreneurs” are reaching hundreds of thousands of people. If Greger doesn’t call them out, who will?

    2. I actually think this is one of Dr. Greger’s best videos! Diet books with half-truths (recommending veggies over processed foods, for example) can be the most dangerous because the average person is unable to sort fact from fiction when it’s all jumbled up into one book.

  14. Grains like ground whole barley eaten as baked loaves constituted about 65% of the food calories in Bible times. Vegan pulse or lentil stews were eaten by the 4 Jewish boys in the Babylonian captivity which proved healthier within 10 days compared the royal meat and wine diet in a controlled study in Daniel 1. And the Jews ate kosher food of fish, onions, leeks, garlic, etc for 300 y during the Egyptian captivity rather the Egyptian diet to avoid the ” diseases of Egypt”. Q.E.D….What’s good for God’s chosen people is good for gentiles also.

  15. Yes please publish more of these reactive style videos to the “diet books of the month”. I remember when this guy showed up on the Dr Oz show even Oz seemed confused by how it didn’t seem valid

  16. I skimmed through Dr. Gundry’s book a month ago and decided it was bunk. Glad to see Dr. Greger agrees. I believe his motivation is to make money through the sale of his unnecessary products. This is surprising to me as he apparently has great credentials as a cardiologist and claims he has patents in the field of cardiac surgery. Quoting from Wikipedia: ” Steven R. Gundry is an American cardiac surgeon and held the Chief of Cardiothoracic Surgery title while he was a Professor at the Loma Linda University School of Medicine.[1] He has patented nine cardiac surgery devices[2] and authored numerous papers in the field”. Why would a person with these credentials risk his reputation on the shoddy work he did with this book? Did he even read the citations he gives to back up his erroneous conclusions? He needs to be called out for spreading misinformation as it can be damaging to people’s health. One would think his work at Loma Linda would have exposed him to better diet information.

  17. Up until reading about the gross misinformation and outright lies featured in this book, I thought there was no possible justification for terrorist actions. But what can you say about a guy who CERTAINLY can generate an income of $150 K per year or more practicing medicine, who chooses to mislead people and endanger their lives to make even MORE $? I’d like to see a group of faux ‘terrorist vegans’ bombard this guy with rotten fruits and vegetables every time he steps out in public. And, maybe book burning shouldn’t be considered such a bad thing, in certain cases? Whatever happened to, “First do no harm?” Is this idiot using his right to free speech only to fill up his bank account? Grrrrr!!!!

  18. I have a family member who always has some new site, or herb, or cure to recommend .. I always ask .. what are they selling? almost always they have the “cure” … I send links and recommend this site ..but as they say ..you can lead a horse to water ….. and that’s why I always come to this site .. for the honest facts!

    1. No Justme, it’s not just you. I have a family member who referred me to Dr Gundry’s site as well. I looked and was overwhelmed by the plethora of stuff for sale. Most I had seen since going to Snake oil Joe Mercola’s web site. Actually Snake Oil Joe does have the merit of being as entertaining as a carnival barker.

  19. Re Dr. Greger’s query at the end of his video on the Gundry book:
    “Let me know what you think. Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?”

    Debunking quacks appears to encourage commentary from the wingnutariat…

  20. I am so glad I saw your video on Dr. Gundry. I had recently seen his video and was fully taken with it until I got to the end and found all that he had to sell. Fortunately it was all too expensive for me and I also realized I appreciate scientists who purposely say they do not sell anything. Without your video I would have kept Dr Gundry’s name on my radar. Thank you so much. Gillian Devane.

    1. Barbara,

      I am not aware of any study like that. Quite the opposite, whole food plant based diet is associated with decreased inflammation:


      “The most anti-inflammatory diet is a plant-based diet, which can cut C-reactive protein levels by 30% within two weeks, perhaps because of the anti-inflammatory properties of antioxidants.”

      Hope this helps,

      Moderator Adam P.

      1. Thanks Adam-I followed a macrobiotic diet for 15 years. Grains and veggies but no nightshades, because they’re inflammatory according to macro thought. I guess I can presume they’re “safe” now….

    2. Barbara, just as gluten, peanuts or even citrus can provoke an auto immune response, so can night shade in some individuals. But,,,, this is not to say that someone with celiac or who goes into anaphylactic shock when exposed to peanuts should give up veggies or go back to eating dead animal. Even without a special sensitivity there are sufficient unhealthy factors in meat and dairy to cause a whole host of problems.

      1. Yes, thank you! It’s been a long time since I’ve eliminated meat and dairy. I was just wondering if it was wise to add nightshades back in, but decided against it. Thanks for responding!

  21. I just finished watching Dr. Gundry’s interview with Dr. Mercola. He said that North American vegetables like tomatoes and potatoes were not eaten by our European and African ancestors, but were Native American so different from us. I’d rather you do more of these reactive-type videos obviously without personal attacks because they are spreading misinformation. Another USDA debate like the one in 2000 with Dr. Atkins, Dean Ornish, and John McDougall would be awesome.

      1. Well, I have been sitting here reading through these replies and comments and they remind me of many things. how many people can talk about many things without actually experiencing them. I became a vegan at age 37 for 15 days due to a challenge from a late night speaker. I could not possibly think about eating “only” all the veggies and greens they said but I knew I could for 15 days without killing me anymore than the bacon double cheeseburgers and fries from burger king that I loved so much. what happened? I found “ALL” not some of my sinus and allergy issues disappeared, I lost 13 pound (was 208 at 5.9 inches before I started) I had a Pizza covered with salami and cheese on day 16 to celebrate and on day 17 18 and most of 19 had the worst congestion I can remember, with that said after 15 days of clear sinuses i could just have thought it was the worst but it was bad. so due to association i became mostly a vegetarian and kept on re-introducing things back into my diet. I found fish did not make me feel sluggish and slow me down like meat so I switched to fish even though it was just ok compared to a grilled bacon cheeseburger. Now cheese was another story testing again and again because i liked it so I found what out what I did not want to know i could not tolerate cheese. So i learned to at least fill that void with many health food cheese substitutes and made it through. I occasionally eat fake bacon which helped me wean myself off real bacon because I just leave BLT sandwich. in my forties I started running for the first time in my life for some reason beyond my own knowledge and most of the people around me. It has been since January of 2000 since I changed my eating habits almost overnight. now through out this time I have taken many 15 day quests to determine the validity of a diet “if” it seems to have any possible merit. I would recommend if you are reasonably healthy and only 20 or 30 lbs over weight to take some approach similar to this if you want to know what you will feel like. Did I say I Like BLT’s ?? Yes and Tomatoes are something I eat raw, salted and love. the really ripe Heirlooms oh my Lord!! and bell peppers especially the bright colored ones have always been in my Vitamix trying to create the perfect Healthy homemade V-8 Juice. But Here is where the rubber meats the Road. I am now 58 years old and ran a 1/2 marathon (13.1 miles) on Santa Cruz Island on 11/4/17 very hilly with lots of elevation change long climbs and steep descents. I had ran a 55k 3 weeks before and many long runs (14-27 miles on weekend training runs) with the same results the following 1-3 days. Runners stiffness, trouble getting up from chair after 15 or 20 minutes of working at the computer. and just general stiffness. I have come to except that this is part of the deal. meaning my mentality is I have been causing the aches and stiffness by my long runs for over 10 years now so I theorize that I wont be able to tell the difference between old age and the pain and stiffness that has come from pushing myself physically. the only thing that really helps it last only a day or so is a 15-19 minute bathtub soak with 14 lbs of ice.( but who can stand this very often!!) sNow comes the total surprise. I now I have to really put some long miles in multiple times over the next few weeks attempting to prepare to run my first 50 miler ever ( a hell of a lot of walking will go with the running I suspect also) Now to make it clear in this league of running I am not fast and am in the middle to 3/4 of the way back in the back always and get through these things with mostly mental determination. Now back to Dr Gundry’s Recommendations. 8 days into pretty much deleting all nightshades ( god I love tomatoes and hope this is all bull#$it!!!) I do a 23 mile difficult bike Ride to Shasta Dam from my house ( northern California) chain my bike and run a very steep, rocky and difficult 9 mile loop on the north side of the dam in the foothills twice (18 miles) starting at 9:00am and finishing a little after 6:30 pm. I am feeling amazingly well and think I could probably make it the 23 miles back on my bike but no lights so I have my wife pick me up. I sleep well ( after long runs I usually stretch out and grunt and groan through out the night due to being stiff) wake up Monday morning, go to work and its is about 10am before I realize ” I am not STIFF!!” is my training going that well? it is now Tuesday evening I realize i might have to test this “nightshade or lack or night shades!” MORE!. my fifty miler is only about 19 days away so I am going to error on the side that Gundry just might be on to something at least until I get through the Santa Monica Mountains with a few other crazies in a couple of weeks.I can only hope I come to some other conclusion besides the possibility that my beloved Tomatoes are using there natural survival instincts to make me stiff and in-mobile. The whole point of all this rambling is the whole world “USED to think the world was FLAT and it is not regardless of what “EVERYONE THOUGHT” so if it makes some sense, check with your doctor ( who hopefully is not so biased he could not possibly imagine there might be some other possibilities besides the ones we currently know now) and if you are reasonably healthy go with them 100% for 15 days, check in each day with yourself on a scale of your own making and for goodness sakes to do not bale out early because you may not feel so good ( it just could possibly be some toxins leaving your body) after 15 days evaluate if you feel better go for another 15 if not now you know how this information effects you. and is that not what really matters? most of the other comments from people who wont even consider the possibility of these “new” ideas having some merit…. well there all about the EGO talking ( much like myself talking way to much about being almost 60 and running a 50 miler for the first time in my life!!) Hell Ya maybe I just might run my first 100 at 60 years young.

        1. I have avoided nightshades for 20 years based upon my own personal experience with them causing me stiffness and aggravating arthritis. Same with my dad. Had read that nightshades are problematic for *some people ver 30 years ago. Every now and then I eat tomatoes, potatoes or green peppers and I always pay for it.

    1. I would also like to see that debate, and I would like to see Dr.’s D’adamo (who has new research out) and Gundry participate, too. I am a college biology professor trying to make sense of all the information out there, and I am now studying my genetics for answers about individualized nutrition. I have been a vegetarian for 30 years now , gluten and dairy free for ten years and still have many autoimmune issues, borderline high blood sugar and fibromyalgia – so something in my food choices are still not working for my body, and I certainly appreciate this healthy online debate. I recently read Gundry’s book carefully and his conclusions differ from some of the comments and reporting here; he does not promote meat eating at all (he explains how it harms the sensitive blood vessels), he gives alternatives to all his supplements and he makes a strong case for using properly cooked beans for vegans and vegetarians (pressure cooked, no BPA canned plastics). I also watch your site,Dr. Greger as often as possible, and appreciate all that I have learned from you – so yes, a healthy debate would be helpful for me, to help sort some of the new research! thank you for all that you do.

  22. Thanks so much for this video! I really appreciate hearing your opinion on this kind of material. Now I’m armed and can confidently argue with anyone who wants to defend this book.
    More please!

  23. Honestly, I was put off when Dr. Gundry writes, in the intro to his book, that he was 70 lbs overweight despite being in the gym 6 days a week (if my memory serves), running 30 miles a week and eating a heart healthy diet that included low-fat dairy and whole grains.

    No way. You don’t get 70 lbs overweight doing that amount of exercise and eating a “heart healthy diet.” “Heart healthy” also implies calorie-appropriate.

    That said, there may be pearls in this book and we should not discount it totally and out of hand.

    1. Kathleen, in my opinion this isn’t merely a question of ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water,’ so to speak. It’s bad science from the get-go. Plain & simple. If he starts out with such an egregious lie in very beginning, then I have no reason to believe the rest of it. Why waste my time.

        1. Funny if you have not read the book how do you know it is a blatant bunch of lies?? some, if not a maybe even a lot might be far fetched but It just might be possible there is a good amount of validity to some of what he has come up with. and even stranger is the vast majority of it aligns with what we already know. As for me I will probably not cut out my fruit smoothies, but there is enough evidence about Candia build up in our bodies that I will probably cut back to just a few times a week. ( I do not think I will test it to the point of totally abolishing fruit for the simple fear that he might be right… and then what? AHHH…

  24. I think that the video is cherry picking on some negatives while failed to discuss the main book topic. I his two weeks meal plan there is only one breakfast smoothie that uses dr Gundry’s supplements. Even in this recipe he suggested replacements. It is obvious that dr Greger did not review the meal plan before attacking dr Gundry for trying to sell supplements.
    As about eggs, dr Greger should start picking appart all the proponents of the ketogenic diet staring with dr Mercola’s Fat for Fuel.
    On the other hand I was following dr Greger’s whole plant base diet ad literam, yet I always had lots of gas which was intensified by the consumption of beans. I am a month into dr Gundry’s meal plan and no gas at all. I am following the vegetarian version of the plan.
    Overall I think the video is rather full of cheap shots instead of an scientific argument.

    1. Adrian, the gas is temporary. Once you develop the right intestinal flora, it diminishes significantly. It’s a shame you didn’t stick with it.

    2. Thank you for your comments Adrian. I read the book “Plant Paradox” and I agree that Dr. Greger’s review is not balanced.

      I’m already a Dr. Greger style vegetarian (mostly vegan).

      I am going to try the vegetarian version of Dr. Gundry’s Plant Paradox plan and see what happens – I anticipate my health will improve.

    1. Unfortunately people who are suckered in by these quacks only respond to direct refutations of their specific claims. There is a term “truthiness” that these authors instill in their books that need direct and specific refutation. I can’t count the number of times people have fallen for the book “Wheatbelly” and its very helpful for me to say, read this critique of the book.

    2. Yeah, I’d concede he can’t comment on every bogus diet book, if he were just a minor annoyance, but he sucked in loads of ignorant people and will profit mightily! Kudos Dr G, I appreciate you unmasking this charlatan and hope you do take on other big deceivers because they hurt innocent, unsuspecting believers who are grasping for straws.

  25. Just stick to the facts please, even though the reactive video is full of them. The fact that you just present the meta-analyses is what makes this site so perfect. There are enough reactive videos/comments on the internet and in the world.

  26. OMG! what an ethically compromised individual this doctor is! Shame on him for putting the public as risk for harm with that distortion of the research! On behalf of health care providers around the world, I apologize to the public for the fact that we have individuals like this in the service of public health.

    I am just sooooo grateful for Dr. Greger. He and his team are non-profit, they comb the research and present the best of the evidence available and then we get to choose how we choose to live.

    A proud monthly supporter of Nutritionfacts.org

  27. Hi Dr Greger

    As per usual you have to eat what works for you. I’ve spent many years eliminating and bringing foods back in to see which whats react with me. My list is as follows: gluten, dairy, tomatoes, soy, bell peppers, brown rice, most potatoes if I eat over a certain amount, aubergine, goji berries. I’m sure in time I will track down one or two more offending artefacts. These I worked out way before Dr Gundry’s lectin book came out. Some foods are far worse than other for me – gluten I swell up in minutes, my resting heart rate goes over 200, my breathing goes tachypnea and it feels like the blood is shutting down to my brain… this fog will last for days. Tomatoes give me an instant migraine, with the most horrendous acidic stomach and raised heart rate and breathing. Similar for other foods. So what is your opinion on what this is? Lectins seems the most plausible link so far…

    1. Thanks for your comment Kirk.

      Like you stated, it is important to distinguish individual cases to generalisation. If such foods cause some adverse reactions to you, then it’s clear that you should not be having them. But, when it comes to the rest of the population, it seems that Dr Grundy’s advice is not adequate and it is misinforming.

      Hope this answer helps.

  28. Thank you Dr. Greger for doing this review. I loved this as I am hearing WFPB folks believing what Dr. Gundry writes about and encouraging others on the wellness journey to believe. It goes against everything we know in WFPB nutrition. I personally love you writing about the mainstream books on diet and nutrition as These books ARE the what the average Joe reads and bases diet decisions on. They ARE NOT reading the articles on Pub Med but that’s why we have you ;-). Thank you to you and your team. I truly appreciate Nutrition Facts!

  29. On my path to WFPB I’ve read well in excess of 50 books and hundreds of Dr Greger videos and other articles. I make a point of reading contrarian “diet” books. Taub’s books, for example, are particularly thorny in this genre since he speaks at least half the truth most of the time. Since this one seems to be popular, I’ll give this one a whirl.

    The reviews by Campbell and this one by Greger confirm to me the almost criminal nature these books have in order to make a quick buck. The gullibility of Americans desperate to find a solution to their problems and friendly to their bad dietary habits is astounding. Only in America. If only liars could be held accountable!

    I’d suggest reading this book too, but try to get a free read somewhere. I hate to think I’d be lining this guy’s pockets. Regardless, make sure you understand the basic falsehoods surrounding his thesis so you can guide the blind away. As Dr Greger says, this and the other lying “diet” books do great harm to the many unwitting souls desperate for an answer that is right here under their noses with WFPB.

    1. Imo, this topic is much more serious and i tend to believe it may be true, gluten is a very special protein just like casein~
      Look into the zonulin substance linked to gluten problems also~

  30. Garret Moddel, yes in general the rice eating cultures prefer white rice, but if you ask for brown rice at a restaurant in many of those cultures you’re likely to be asked if you are feeling sick. A traditional response to a sick person is to feed them brown rice, like chicken soup here. I’ll take the brown rice, over the soup.

  31. Can someone help me with something I am missing. The study talks about reducing/replacing meat, cheese and eggs with shellfish and then showing a reduction in cholesterol. But, the introduction to the book says eating shellfish AND egg yolks reduces cholesterol.

  32. I think Dr. Greger SHOULD take on those popular diet books that run counter to the nutrition science highlighted at nutrition facts..org.
    I would like to see him dissect the Grain Brain books, since they are the complete opposite of the information offered on this site (although many think offer valid arguments for not eating grains).

  33. It appears that this Gundry person has taken the attitude of just “..take the money and run,” regardless of what scientific evidence shows. It really befuddles me how people like this can get away with literally trying to poison people. It doesn’t make sense. I also agree that this Gundry (I refuse to show him the respect I’d normally show a doctor), likely has absolutely no nutrition training as he worked to get that medical degree. Bottom line: Gundry = JOKE.

  34. Hello,
    I have searched the videos available and have not found any information on histamine intolerance. I suffer from histamine intolerance and have found great relief by changing my diet and reducing foods high in histamine. I would be grateful for Dr. Gregor’s input. Thank you.

    1. Blue Moon – your own body makes histamines naturally. For its own reasons. Histamines are triggered in your body to activate when you come in contact with something your body is reactive to. Got allergies? your body is making histamines to pollen (or whatever your body is reacting to). That is why you take something like Claritin – which is an ANTI- histamine. Claritin interrupts the body’s natural response – which is releasing histamines – to something your body is reacting to.
      Trying to ‘not eat histamines’ will not solve your issue. Your body makes histamines on its own.

  35. Thank you Dr. Greger! Regarding your question “Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?”, I would say no…unless the author is a very reputable doctor that is getting a lot of press. For example, I am now hearing a lot about the new book “The End of Alzheimer’s” by Dr. Dale Bredesen, a neurologist and neuroscientist who is recognized as an expert in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s. He has developed a “protocol” to reverse Alzheimers and according to the book, has reversed symptoms of the disease for 200 people. The nutrition part of his protocol includes a “ketoflex” diet which is largely plant-based (yay!) but the idea is to be in ketosis and therefore is low-carb . Also, he recommends fasting for at least 12 hours and suggests consuming MCT oil. I would love to know your thoughts on this protocol called ReCODE, for Reversal of Cognitive Decline. Thank you!

    1. I have never heard of the Dr. of which you speak, but he is already one of my new heroes based on your post.

      I hope his research and treatments do not include things like blocking TGF-Beta 1 activity or GDF11-Myostatin research to rejuvenate the whole body… or the TIMP2 protein that could thwart Alzheimer’s at its starting point.

      If he has not included these interventions, then whatever he has come up with and what lies ahead will surely make Alzheimer’s something that no longer makes it necessary to sleep on one’s side or take naringin that binds to neurons and helps them to grow.

    1. Steve – if you carefully read the sentence right before the listing of the videos, you will see that they are “upcoming, so stay tuned”. They aren’t posted yet!.

      1. Thank you for taking the time to send me an answer.  I read that but when I scrolled down on the page, my clicker lit up as it normally does with items that you can click on and it takes you to another page, so I got tempted to click and go.  Then it said, not available so I thought that there was some kind of Internet issue.
        Anyway, I am looking forward to when they are ready.

  36. I don’t have time to research Dr Gundry’s book right now but from a quick look, his book has nothing to do against eating plant foods but more about certain plant food protein namely lectin that can destroy some people digestive system. There are strategies to reduce or to avoid lectin and it is what the book is about. So contrary to popular belief, some plant foods are not all you can eat foods just like it is the case with animal foods. So it is not because it is a plant foods then it is a free pass to eat all you want.


    So I don’t understand why Dr G is trashing Dr Gundry like Dr Gundry is against eating plant foods or something, and there is no evidence that he did.

    1. Jerry L – Dr. G isn’t finished making his points about the Gundry book as there are a couple more videos to come as a part of this subject. Why don’t YOU just hold off and stop trashing Dr. G before he’s even finished making his points.
      Relax a little bit!

      1. Dorothy, if you watch the video again or read the transcript, you will see that Dr G language is very harsh, like Dr Gundry has said that kale is now banned. Give me a break.

        Dr G is also trashing Dr Gundry that why people in the world can eat foods with lectin and stay healthy? Is like questioning why the Thai can have peanut in almost all of their foods and have no allergy problem and some Americans have. They must be all fake news. And people who have to go to the hospital after eating a few peanuts are all inventing their stories. Same people with celliac problem, it’s all imaginary and fake news.

        My philosophy is to eat everything until it gives you a problem and I apply this to my kids who grow up with no allergy whatsoever. But at the same time, I cannot blame people with allergy problem because I don’t know about their lives.

        Also I cannot totally discredit the lectin and gluten and carb theories. Because you may not have a visible issue but who knows what is going on inside your body? So I try to minimize the lectin issue by soaking my bean and grain before I cook and eat. I also try to limit the carb to 200 g per day.

        1. interesting and quite disturbing comment. you seem to be very concerned about what you call a few harsh words yet have no qualms about the horrendous suffering and death of the non-human animals whose flesh and secretions you choose to consume in the name of personal “health”.

          “You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity.”— Ralph Waldo Emerson

    2. JL – you are clearly not interested in discussion at all. You’re like a frigging chihuahua dog latched onto someone’s ankle just grinding away. Attack! attack! attack!
      Have you tried some TM or perhaps a walk in the woods? Your caustic attacking is bizarre on some level.

      1. Just found it ironic that you post twice using harsh language and telling the targeted poster to relax and take a walk in the woods. ‘-)

        Woman, Heal thyself! (using your own suggestions ‘-)

      2. It seeems you are the one causing the attack……I don’t understand why people here are so quick to become defensive. Jerry Lewis and others do make some valid points and they need to be addressed by Dr. Greger. Personally, I have experienced problems with whole grains, beasn, legumes,nightshades. I think we should look more into lectins as there is a lot of research showing how they affect individuals especially with autoimmune diseases. I wouldn’t be quick to discredit Dr. Gundry just based on a couple of misleading citations. Also genetics play a big part in this which obviously makes us different to one another, it may be some of us are more susceptible to pain or diseases can be triggered with certain foods. Obviously animal protein is in the top of the list, but certain plant foods still need more further research, I wouldn’t say we have a free pass in the meantime to all plant foods. Please do keep up the good work Dr. Greger and try not to judge others until you look into their research fully rather than just cherry picking. We are hear to learn, a lot of studies you have mentioned could turn out to be wrong someday and we may need to eat a piece of humble pie…..

    3. Jerry, my take on the video is that Dr. Greger was asked to review the book through many requests and after uncovering the tainted reference chose to cutoff the review after determining the reference was 180 degrees from what the book was stating. Sort of like reading a sentence with bad grammar, one tends to think the person is not reference-worthy?

            1. Jerry wrote: I just learn that there is a new kind of cherry picking. Cherry pick what you say and cherry pick what you read.

              Nancy, he was referring to your picking an innocuous statement out of my post and re-branding a perfectly good Bing into a less desireable (for eating) Mortmorency… suggesting you are a sourpuss? ‘-)

    4. Contrary to what you say in your video, the book actually recommends legumes if you cook them enough (which eliminates lectins) and tomatoes (if you do not eat the seeds) etc…
      So please read the book because your current video does not help better understand the subject

      1. Francoise – Dr. greger isn’t finished with his video series on this subject. And you and others are already criticizing before even hearing his entire position on the subject.
        What’s the matter with you? and others?

        1. The matter is that The first video is provocation without real insight, exactly the contrary of what Dr Geger does usually.
          What is real is that a lot of people react to lectins from beans for instance, and cannot eat them without symptoms
          Of course we all know that for most people beans are good (and increase lifespan) but it just is not the question addressed in the book.
          I think most people who have really read the book will react like me.
          There are very sound scientific references quoted in the book, even if the specific case noted by Dr Geger is a problem.
          So please do not condemn someone who is doing a very interesting work and has an outstanding acrreer and results without really looking into the matter.

  37. Thank you for this video and your work. The “What The Health” documentary on Netflix coupled with “Forks Over Knives” solidified in my mind that animal based foods is a type of position for the body and the planet and yet the Federal Government is bought and paid for by big Farm and big Pharma. Hence, this video once again shows how greed (in the form of lies and deception) trumps truth. “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?” The consequence of this question is now playing out – chronic decease and global warming. We, as consumers, MUST dial back our diets and rid them of all meat and dairy products. Then we will not only see the human race get healed physically but the planet we live in too. Book of Daniel, Chapter 1.

    1. “position = poison” (I am sure that was understood.) Also, went vegan (if you will) July 8th. Weighed in at 268. Today, 245. Thank you. I do recommend the Vitamix 5200. It takes the hassle out of eating fruits and vegetables every morning for breakfast with a multivitamin. Rich Roll is right…Everything is just better.

      1. Peter100, I enjoyed reading your post – congratulations on your success this summer! I never tire of hearing how people have changed their health destiny by choosing whole food plant based eating. I did watch “what the health” the other night, and have seen Forks over Knives as well – both highly recommended. I’m a big fan of Rich Roll too and draw a lot of inspiration from his website. Not sure if people realise that he has a huge collection of podcasts to listen to, including one with our own Dr Greger http://www.richroll.com/podcast/007-michael-greger/

        Keep up the good work Peter and enjoy that vitamix!

    2. you also may want to check out the documentary “Earthlings” for free on youtube to explore the moral and ethical aspects of consuming the flesh, milk and eggs of non-human animals.

  38. Has Dr. Greger tackled the Paleo/Keto diets as directly as he has with the Plant Paradox? Proponents of the paleo diet offer nutritional science as support for their diets. . sometimes very convincingly to those of us not trained in science. A point-by-point analysis of where they go wrong would be helpful.

    1. Michael port-yes, he has a bunch of videos on paleo diets. He doesn’t cover “whole 30” specifically and many paleo advocates would suggest that these are not “ketogenic” diets, though the skeleton is the same. People DO lose weight on paleo diets, but saturated fat is terrible leading to terrible cholesterol and therefore clogging of the arteries…which is how you end up with my brother, who is supper “in shape,” and completely healthy EXCEPT he has terribly HIGH CHOLESTEROL. Which is at least in part why young athletes can drop dead from heart attacks. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleo-diets-may-negate-benefits-of-exercise/ I also like this TedTalk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG8

    2. Hi this is Dr. Daniela Sozanski PhD Functional Naturopath and Moderator with Nutritionfacts. Yes Dr. Greger has a multitude of videos on the topic, and please check them out: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/paleolithic-diets/ There is plenty of science based evidence in all of them. Also I agree with you that in these times of abundant information, it can be easy to make the truth fit your purposes, and that we would have to learn to increase our level of scrutiny. Have a great day. Daniela

  39. Yes, please keep addressing diet war type myths, as well as new poorly designed studies the media runs with… i.e., bacon is back etc. It is so helpful to have evidence based arguments when trying to help others wade through the misinformation out there, what about the new study saying people eating higher fat live longer than people eating carbs? Keep on fighting! We need you!

  40. Just read an article called “The Great Nutrient Collapse,” which discusses the research and work of Irakli Loladze. Loladze’s findings might come closer to at least passing the ‘whiff test’ in regard to plant nutrition. Could be worth a sniff or two.

    1. The Great Nutrient Collapse is really something that needs to be fully investigated, but i fear that, like everything else in our collapsing world, we are nearing some sort of singularity that will affect all of us, vegans, and non-vegans alike.

      i am mostly distressed that my entire life of searching for this WFPB lifestyle, i have managed to ignore all of the clues that were before me.
      nearing my seventh decade on this planet, after having had a heart transplant eight years ago, i found Dr Gregor’s site two years ago. i could have avoided this most drastic operation had i just known about it years before. and while i follow this WFPB pretty carefully, and weigh about 100 lbs less than at my heaviest, i still have so many problems from the drugs that i must take to stay alive.

      nevertheless, i am supremely thankful for the work that Dr Gregor does, and am also grateful for the usually wise discussions that follow his videos.

  41. The fact that Dr. Gundry and others (Mercola, et. al.,) sells an entire line of expensive supplements and ‘stuff’ to the public is an immediate red flag to me, personally. It just smacks of conflict of interest and leaves my stomach turning. This is exactly why I so appreciate Dr. Greger. He does recommend a couple of supplements – B12, vegan source of Omega 3 fatty acids, D3. But even though individuals have asked Dr. G to recommend a brand that he uses, he refuses to do so – explicitly to remove the conflict of interest or any appearance of it. This ethics high bar that Dr. G maintains assist me in feeling comfortable with the information I am receiving. So thank you Dr. Greger and staff for your continued very high ethical standards.

    Having said that, I do appreciate that people have asked for an algal-based vegan omega 3 supplement. I’ll share mine:
    The label states 2 caps is a 30 day supply per bottle at 550mgs of omega 3’s per day. Dr. Greger recommends only 250 mgs / day. So one can take 1 gel/day and get the Dr. G recommended amount. So this bottle will last you two months for $20.
    Best –

    1. To suggest that Gundry and Mercola are cut from the same cloth is just not fair. Mercola is a true health advocate and has spent decades informing
      the public about hundreds of issues with really solid information. He monetizes his site by selling high quality products. Although it may be preferable
      to have no potential conflicts, there is a reason Mercola is the largest and most read health related internet site online. That said Mercola also advocates
      free range animal products even though personally he consumes little… Let’s hope he wakes up sooner than later.

      On the other hand Gundry simply sells a line of products primarily designed to block lectins, that are very very expensive and go along with his
      failed thesis. The two are in no way comparable…

      Thanks for linking to reasonably priced vegan Omega 3 supplement…

        1. susan: Thanks for your post. People really believe in Mercola, and I feel for them. Mercola is a very good salesman.

          That Mercola sells meat is a huge red flag, but that’s not the only one. I thought you would be interested in what TG and other posters on this site have written about Mercola’s positions. I haven’t personally verified all of the points in these posts, but I did check up on one or two points in the past and found them to be true. I’m sure Mercola is not wrong about everything, but he appears to be just another person who is going after the dollar rather than sticking to the science.

          From TG a long time ago: “[Mercola] is also a believer in homeopathy, that diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol are harmless, and apparently that all vaccines are harmful. He also has a number of other strange beliefs which appear to run counter to known facts. For example, he states that large LDL particles are not harmful!. Of course, as is well known, he makes a lot of money selling a wide range of pills and potions. He has, I understand, been the subject of a number of FDA orders to stop making illegal claims about products sold through his website.
          I would be extremely wary of any recommendations made by Dr Mercola, especially if they cannot be substantiated by peer reviewed studies published in credible journals.

          Also from TG: “I also seem to remember that some years ago, he also sold “tachyon energy” products.This demonstrates to me that he is not committed to evidence-based medicine. He may be correct on a number of issues but how can anyone be confident that he is? His views do not seem to consistently stem from a serious consideration of all the available evidence.”

          Joss Levy wrote: ” the list of fanciful ideas that Dr Mercola comes up with, such as the need to: “structure” your drinking water by chilling it and stirring it clockwise; earth yourself electrically at all times; move out of an apartment higher than ground level so the Earth’s electric field won’t make you ill; eat bone broth, grass-fed cow and whey protein; replace your LED lamps with incandescent bulbs to avoid “digital light”. Then there’s his “emotional freedom technique”, and there may be more examples, but this is just what I have come up with off the top of my head.”

          Aaron wrote: “Mercola is a phony. He rarely has any reliable sources to back up his claims . For example look at his article on the superiority of grass fed beef, the entire article reads as a advertisement for a particular brand of grass fed beef at outrageous prices. And not one source listed to back up his claims on potential health benefits, nor does he even say if beef is healthy in the first place. http://products.mercola.com/grass-fed-beef/

          [I’ll also add that the WHO says red meat is “probably carcinogenic to humans”, if memory serves. I have a whole big post on why grass-fed/free-range, etc does not make the product healthy. We even have a study that looks at cancer rates of a culture that eats nothing but free range, grass-fed. If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll share. No one who sells a product that is “probably carcinogenic” can claim to have other people’s best interests at heart, especially when no warning is given.]

          Shame indeed.

          1. @Thea–
            At my other figurative watering hole, I found a link to Dr. Joseph Mercola and his enthusiasm for a high-fat diet, what he calls the “ketogenic diet”.
            On a first reading, as presented by Mercola, the diet is all confirmation and illumination, thanks to the growing media splash over the Prospective Urban and Rural Epidemiology (PURE) study, which Mercola gleefully salutes, “Large-Scale Study Proves High-Fat Diet Promotes Health and Longevity”.

            The problem with Mercola is he believes he is called to become an evangelist, not merely a researcher. Sometimes, he reaches the correct inference, but his method also reveals serious overreach and multiplies major error, as in his infatuation with lipids. Getting some facts correctly may make the trains arrive on time, but Mercola’s method also hides an intolerant regime.

            Mercola’s website forums impose even sanctions to those who disagree with him, and I have been asked explicitly by Mercola not to mention my enthusiasm for grains in the diet (I had suggested cultivation of grains probably saved humanity and helped generate modern urban civilization).

            Citing the PURE study. Mercola concludes the study merely confirms his own long-term emphasis on a fat-based diet. Says Mercola, “high intakes of healthy fats — especially saturated fats — boost health and longevity.” And in that much, Mercola would return us, full circle, to Dr. Atkins.

            1. alphaa0010: Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciated reading them. FYI: You are not the first person to tell us that the website bans alternative views from being discussed.

              re: the PURE study. For you or anyone who hasn’t seen it, there are some really good reviews showing the fatal flaws of the PURE study. You can read them at the following links. ‘darchiterd’ says that there is also another good review from Dr. Kahn, but I haven’t seen it yet.
              From PCRM: http://www.pcrm.org/media/news/pure-study-killer-carbs-or-poor-living-conditions
              From Dr. Katz: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diet-health-puzzling-past-paradox-pure-understanding-david?trk=mp-reader-card&utm_content=bufferf15a6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

              1. Thea & alpha0010: that’s why I’m glad we don’t ban people from this site. We may get into heated arguments with them, & we / they might not like it, but I do like the idea that everyone is welcome here to join in the discussion.
                It says a lot about Mercola et al. that they feel they have to restrict the narrative on their website. I guess that’s what you have to do when you’re selling so many products via the enforcement of an ideology that’s more like a religion without much science to back it up.

                1. WFPB Nancy: I’d have to disagree with you somewhat there. I’m 100% for allowing for discussion and welcoming all view points. I personally like the challenge of being able to respond to people who repeat things they have heard on sites like Mercola’s, etc. However, some people don’t want honest discussion and are disruptive here on NutritionFacts again and again and again to the point that they need to be banned in order to have a healthy forum. My argument is that being able to make that distinction between healthy argument and troll-like disruption is where NutritionFacts is failing.

                  But I really do appreciate what you are saying regarding allowing alternative views. Not being afraid of other ideas is important if a site is going to have integrity.

                  1. @Thea (and WFPBNancy)–
                    Exactly– a truly open forum is laudable, but we need moderators to keep a semblance of order. Someone must make the judgment call between honest disagreement, and a troll-on-a-mission. NutritionFacts.org is under no obligation to serve as somebody’s ideological free-fire zone.

                    Most telling, it is usually the manners (or lack thereof), not the ideas, which give the trolls away. Trolls, themselves, have only contempt for the tolerance they are offered on the best forums, and laugh like hyenas about the trusting courtesy they often get from others.

                    But trolls aside, If manners is the ultimate problem with our forums, we Americans desperately need to learn the art of polite but unambiguous disagreement. Public discourse is not a self-indulgent episode of “reality TV”. That same courteous public discourse is something for which I greatly admire in citizens of the Commonwealth, a sense of public decorum, and the ability to disagree without juvenile antics, insults or gunfire.

                    Clearly enough, a brawling, insult-ridden forum is not the experience Dr. Greger ever wanted to provide, and if the disruption is deliberate and repeated, even the most tolerant moderator must identify and eliminate the source(s)..

              2. Harvard has also pointed out some important methodological flaws in this study.

                Furthermore, it is worth bearing in mind that McMaster University has a history of producing studies which show dairy foods in a favourable light and/or which defend saturated fat consumption. What is more, they receive grant funding from the Canadian dairy Industry (and occasionally the US Dairy Council). Dairy Farmers of Canada calls McMaster University a “partner”.

                Consequently, I tend to look closely at the study design of anything coming out of McMaster. In this case, comparing outcomes for people across different countries eating carbs with people eating fat etc, can often end up simply comparing the mortality rates of poor people in underdeveloped countries who eat primarily cheap low quality carbs with the mortality rates of people in wealthy developed countries whose diet is generally richer in fats etc. Not controlling for such factors would be expected to produce results exonerating saturated fats or implying that they are healthful. In fact, saturated fat and cholesterol apologists have been doing this same sort of thing for years. Plant Positive discusses this misleading approach here

                1. TG: Fascinating information! Thanks for jumping in. I will be integrating your information (with credit of course) into my response when people ask about the PURE study.

                  PCRM and Dr. Katz also addressed your point about these types of studies really doing nothing but comparing a) economically well-off people with access to health care to b) poor people who don’t get enough calories or access to healthy care. That’s cool. What was even more fun in reading your post is that you point to videos from Plant Positive who addressed this very point years ago! As you’ve probably seen, I’m a big fan of Plant Positive. But I haven’t looked at every page on his site, and I know I haven’t absorbed all of the information that I have looked at. I love being able to show that the saturated fat and cholesterol apologists have been doing this for years. It’s a helpful perspective. I’ll be watching those videos soon.

                  Thanks again!

                2. @TG–
                  Thank you! This is the “other side” that makes peer-review of studies the first-and-last-ditch defense against both deceit and honest error. The original idea of peer review was simply to facilitate the birth of correct ideas, not to shoot down reputations, and make funding impossible. Ideally, peer input can correct methodology and make successful (self-correcting) science possible.

              3. Thank you, Thea, for your helpful response. I’ll delve into these links with delight !

                Speaking of the fat infatuations of Dr. Mercola, it is strange how ordinary, “rational” people get so obsessed over nutritional items that they seem to forget that nutrition, itself, is about living in a healthy manner. Instead, they cast a toxic pall on everybody around them.

                All to say, your calm, wise perspective has held the forum together for as long as I can remember, preserving it from those who wanted to turn it into a verbal food fight.

                1. alphaa0010 : Thank you for those very kind words. I’m not on duty any more the way I used to be, though I still do some moderating. I’m happy to hear that the work I previously did was noticed! :-)

          2. @Thea–
            This may be question for the WordPress managers, but If I wish to locate posts by another poster or posters, can I search across the almost 1,800 forum topics?

            For example, can I search globally (across all topics) for all instances of poster “FindMe” and somehow save the search file for when I have time to review the various posts?

            In your post above, I note you were able to locate many instances of viewpoint agreement among multiple posters and apparently across multiple topic threads,

            1. alphaa0010: Those features were available in disqus, at least to a degree, but they are not currently available here as far as I know. In disqus, you can review a person’s posts as long as that person makes that feature available to the public. (An important privacy feature.) There was also a way to search comments from the site, but that may have only been available to moderators. I’m not sure. Anyway, those may be features that could be added to this site in the future. But right now, I think you are out of luck? (Someone else more familiar with WordPress would have to jump in to give you a definitive answer.)

              FYI: Until I quit a few months ago, I was the main lay moderator on this site for years. I read every single post. Somewhere along the way, I started keeping copies of those posts which I thought were especially helpful. I have a folder of over 2,500 such posts and they are fairly searchable. That’s how I was able to put together the post above. Also, when I see the same questions coming up again and again, I start paying attention to answers to those questions (and doing my own research as best I can) and then cobbling together what I think of as a ‘best-of’ answer that I can re-use when the question comes up in the future. I try to give credit in those posts too, but I’m not looking up/searching old posts each time for those answers.

              1. Thea, I remember well how you used to put together great summaries from previous posts in order to answer people’s questions. You were a real asset to the comments section of the NF website. A lot of us regular readers really appreciated your helpful daily posts!

              2. Thea, Your method of gathering high–grade user-submitted content into a library is very efficient and similar to what I try to do on other (generally political) topics, for other forums. If someone phrases something well, hits all the relevant points, I know instantly I can learn from this person.

                We are constantly amazed by what even a small group of people can devise or understand.

                Frankly, recording / noting what I learn helps me understand it better by putting it into my own terms. Wasn’t this what our high school teachers kept telling us? “Take notes, even when you don’t have to, because you recall much of what you write, and it makes reviewing material easier” and “summarize everything for later review”.

                So, you are right– I need to begin gathering valuable ancillary comments at Nutrition Facts website. Thanks for helping me devise a method.


                * Here is something you may already know, but in Windows, even the lowly Notepad (word processor) can search your free-form notes in a flash. Whereas, once, I used to yearn for the day I could build and search a relational database of all my important text notes, I eventually understood simply searching free-form text is the ultimate solution. The text is already “indexed” (after a fashion) by the ability to search the text, and Notepad renders the answer to my search string in microseconds.

                And if I search for all instances of “Thea said”, I can bounce from hit to hit until I find what I recalled your saying. The reason for making the search string into the phrase “Thea said” is any of hundreds of links might include your name, even in comments from other people, but only “Thea said” is specific to you.

                1. alphaa0010: You have an excellent point regarding taking notes. I don’t enjoy the process, but I do know that I fit the statistics in that if I take notes and put things in my own words, I’ll do far better at remembering and understanding.

                  I think you have a very good point about keeping a ‘database’ simple. I thought I would share my own method which is a little different than your own, but I think very helpful. I keep each individual post in it’s own email. All 2,500+ (and counting) emails are stored in a single folder in gmail. For example, I might have a folder named ‘Nutrition Information’. Each email/post gets a subject like “alphaa0010 on lectins” or “TG on PURE study” or “Thea on Mercola – summary”. Gmail folders are searchable super-fast–as fast notebook I believe.

                  With this setup, I have the advantage of being able to scan titles to quickly find the post I want. For example, if I want to scan all the emails from you, I can. But what if you have a LOT of entries and I want the one where you talk about lectins. Or maybe I’m not even sure it was you. With gmail, I can quickly use lectins as my search word. Gmail searches the body as well as the subject. I can then quickly scan the return results to find email subjects showing the authors. Gmail also searches on two terms. So, if I enter two words in the search bar, it will return only those emails which have both words in it, but the words do not have to be together.

                  Our methods are similar, which is pretty cool. Just sharing my method in case it sparks an idea for you. :-)

                  FYI: I’m guessing that the ultimate tool for this functionality is software such as One Note. I haven’t used One Note myself, but I saw a demo a little while ago. It looked pretty good for this need. I would have some issues to work out before I felt it was worth trusting my important data to it, but I’m keeping the idea in mind.

                  Take care.

            1. Nancy: So glad I could help!

              My Thoughts: This page is an important topic in general, not just as a discussion of Dr. Gundry. Just because someone produces a book or has a popular website, that doesn’t mean that they necessarily got it right or even that they aren’t deliberately misleading people. No one is wrong about everything and no one (including Dr. Greger!) is right about everything. However, there are sources which generally contain valid information and sources which generally contain invalid information. Unless people want to become an expert and track down every single reference and study ourselves, it is vital that we learn how to distinguish between generally good sources and generally bad.

              While I wouldn’t want Dr. Greger to spend a majority of his time debunking the bad books and claims, it is super helpful to spend some time on it. That way, the next time someone asks about Dr. Gundry’s work, we have a valid source of information to refer people to. Hence, I’m glad Dr. Greger is tackling this topic for now and hope that he will continue to do similar videos in the future. Between times, we can help each other learn which sources (like Mercola) are generally suspect.

    2. Dorothy, you need to look up and see that Furhman sells supplements too and offer health seminars only to rich people at resorts in Italy and ski resorts. A number of all the who and who vegan doctors including Dr G will be offering health seminar on cruise ship. Dr G charges a high fee for his appearance at health seminars. And Dr Mc Dougall has his wellness center to serve rich people in California. I have not heard of any nutritional doctors offering free health seminars to people in Mississippi. So don’t judge on the value of what the Doctors said based on how they make money.

    3. Dr Mercola has explained why he sells supplements.
      His sharing of information, his researches and publications, do not generates enough revenue , to cover even his office and staff. I just love his site and newsletters.

      1. Dr. Mercola’s office surely generates enough revenue by seeing patients in his brick-and-mortar clinic. Although I am sure he truly believes in the information his ghostwriters write on his website and the products his company sells, the information and products are based on pseudoscience at best. Unfortunately, this spread of misinformation is harming the general public.

        Dr. Jamie Koonce

  42. This may be one of the most important videos from Dr. Greger and we should note just how emphatic he is in denouncing the latest fad diet book.
    As mentioned there are consequences for bad information. Just as it is now popular to denounce gluten it seems lectins is the new
    dietary gremlin. There are those who fare poorly with gluten and are well advised to avoid it but there may be other reasons this is true.

    Roundup (glyphosate) is used to desicate wheat so that farmers can harvest up to 3 crops per year. The entire crop is doused. It is more than likely that many who believe they are gluten intolerant are actually being poisoned by glyphosate. By the time we study this issue the chemical will be retired in favor of one that (if the past is a good predictor of the future) will be even worse.

    With lectins it is significant that the longest lived people on earth eat lots of them as Dr. Gregor emphatically illustrates.
    Allergic response to foods has been in vogue as a testing modality for far over two decades. If a person was responding unfavorably to a particular food such as beans or tomatoes such testing would demonstrate this issue and a trend would be apparent over time. This has not been the case at all…

  43. Long before Dr Gundry’s book AKA product line infomercial my two day soaking of beans with water and then water and bragg’s ACV going into a pressure cooker became my favorite. The good doctor at least included my wisdom from others in his book. A double blind study at this point won’t change my taste preferences, still is pressure cooking vegetables verses not in your database? Taste and texture from it that gets thumbs up might be due to how it helps herbs blend in the mix, or I could be totally deluded by my brilliance. Sweet potatoes, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and others just have people enjoying or being vary polite. Thanks for the bigger view of the book.

  44. Contrary to what you say in your video, the book actually recommends legumes if you cook them enough (which eliminates lectins) and tomatoes (if you do not eat the seeds) etc…
    So please read the book because your current video does not help better understand the subject

    1. Contrary to what you say in your video, the book actually recommends legumes if you cook them enough (which eliminates lectins) and tomatoes (if you do not eat the seeds) etc…

      Those seem like reasonable suggestions, supposedly backed up with real science.

  45. Long-time NutritionFacts follower here, and I vote YES on having more of these kinds of videos. With very little hesitation.

    Keeping up with the latest unencumbered science is very important, please keep doing this for the world! But, as Dr. Greger shows, many of these “diet war” combatants are unethical as hell. They need to be called out.


    1. Why not. He has attacked his own credentials as being irrelevant in terms of nutritional training. Look up his other credentials and work on things such as animal-related epidemics. He is a true researcher.

      1. @Paul Lebow–
        And that is the ultimate issue, isn’t it? Methodology is the only means to verify / detect sound data.

        Although we have a constant media chorus of dueling degrees in the same area, and the media circus is intensely profitable, little resolution or light escapes. No wonder the public is jaded and cynical about media forums on any topic.

        A researcher with proper method can venture outside his own primary subject area, and still produce valuable science. In fact, the great scientists of the Renaissance were (what should we say?) “renaissance” encyclopedists and pathfinders for the scientific work which followed them.

  46. It may be a better idea to stay away from this type of video, it’s not you doc. If you must, keep it really clean, as in approach it from a study only perspective by looking at the cited science and if they interpret it very poorly, as you did towards the end of the video, do a point by point breakdown of what the studies really say. Also, carefully think about how harmful the book really is, you may actually be promoting something that a person may not have every heard of, such as myself in this case. You’ve educated us well enough that the sniff test should work just fine at the bookstore, however, this is provided your audience is really listening to what you have to say rather than just listening to you. Do you want to be an educator or a guru?

    Having said that, there are plenty of studies that need clarifying and honest review, thousands as you noted, many with less than savoury funding. Sure lots of people want everything pointed out to them, very much noted by the umteen “please help me” questions that really are inappropriate for an online resource such as this imo. Jumping into the book debunking theatre might be a rabbit hole you won’t be able to crawl out from once you get started… just saying.

    1. @Marcello Disanto–
      As Dr. Greger, himself, acknowledges. either he spends time debating or he spends time researching.

      Fundamentally, as another NF poster (scientist by training) points out, science always speaks for itself. However, hearing and understanding its message more clearly means more and better focused research, not merely more debate.

  47. I appreciated this video. It definitely raised some appropriate criticisms. And I think it’s a good reminder that we must think critically and not just accept a source blindly.

    I am new to nutritionfacts. I’m not sure what other readers/viewers might say. Debunking false claims has its place–especially if many people are asking about a certain claim.

    But I’m more interested in understanding nutritional resesearch and focusing on healthier food options/lifestyles– more so than weeding out every new fad that comes along.

    1. Couldn’t agree more fully– public\media debates move sometimes by formal rules and sometimes by theatrics, but seldom are they decided by full and careful recourse to science.

  48. I am a little confused about oils in the diet. I am a 74 y.o. type II diabetic and have been vegetarian and then vegan for many years. I have been taking turmeric regularly 3 times a day for the last year. Dr. Greger says that you need to take it with freshly ground pepper and oil. The question is, how much oil. My wife thinks I take way too much oil every day. Is there some type of guideline as to how much is needed to get the full benefit of the turmeric? Thanks

    1. hello Lee Wright, I have a link here for the topic of tumeric videos offered at this website. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/turmeric/ I have never seen or heard Dr Greger advocate consumong oils, ever – perhaps you heard that somewhere else ? The black pepper is definitly recommended to consume with the tumeric. Drs Esselstyn, Ornish, McDougall, Williams, Barnard, and Greger all recommend avoiding oils https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b_o4YBQPKtQ This link of Dr Esselstyn explains further. Hope this helps

  49. Thank you so much for posting this video!! We are new subscribers and it’s like you read my mind! We have recently found out that my husband has a nearly colluded right carotid and very high cholesterol at the young and fit age of 57. A cerebral angiogram will tell us more next week. They put him on Plavix and a statin, which our personal goal is to get him off of asap.
    In the meantime my aunt bought us the book “The Plant Paradox,” which we have read quite a bit of already.
    At the same time, a very good friend and trusted health practitioner put us onto nutrition facts.org and we have just recently started watching the videos. You can imagine how confusing all this is! We are committed to eating well and eating exactly what is needed for maximum health and healing with both cholesterol and high blood pressure and a blocked right carotid.

    Of course the doctors we have been seeing said that diet alone cannot be trusted to lower cholesterol, and therefore why medication is needed. We are more optimistic on the healing power of the body and on nutrition. It’s always been obvious that MDs and the nutrition world most often butt heads, but it is even more frustrating when nutritionists who are supposedly after everyone’s ultimate health, skew studies, etc. and people like us who are committed to and disciplined in doing the “right thing” can’t know for sure what the “right thing” is with all these opposing views, even within the nutrition field! We just want to do the right thing…

    1. Jennifer Hartmann – Given that you are just “getting going”, let me please suggest you and your husband read a few very important foundational books. They will give you more information in short order than just about anything else:
      The China Study – T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. and Tom Campbell, M.D. (son),
      Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease – Caldwell Esselstyn, M.D.
      Eat to Live – Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
      A Challenging Second Opinion – John McDougall, M.D., – and any and all other books he has written – google his books
      Reverse Heart Disease – Dean Ornish, M.D.

      These are a few good books to get you going. I dont want to list more as I don’t want to overwhelm you with information. REad them and then you will learn of others who are excellent researchers and can give you answers. But the best one to read to get you going is The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D.
      You will be pleasantly surprised! :-)

      Also, watch “Forks Over Knives”, “What the Health”, “FAt, Sick, and Nearly Dead”. These documentaries (can get at your library usually) will change your life.
      Have fun!! :-)

  50. I received the book from my sister who loves the Plant Paradox diet. I tried it for 2 weeks and went mad. The diet was super restrictive and so different from the way I was eating, The Daily Dozen. Suggested breakfast, coconut flour, oil, flax, baking powder and eggs w/ orange zest and dried cranberries as “a good source of vitamin c”, doesn’t do it for me. Lots of chicken, eggs, cheese, dairy products and turkey sausage wasn’t something I was going to start eating to be healthier”. I watched a lot of Dr. Gundry’s videos but the two things that he said that I can’t see beyond are 1. The purpose of food is to get more oil into your mouth and 2. Eating fruit makes you fat. I am so grateful for Dr. Greger and everyone at NutritionFacts.org for cutting through the hype.

  51. I would like to see you refute some of these books and articles and their authors especially the ones that are prominently marketed and becoming popular best sellers by dispelling falsehoods and pseudoscience. If Doctors and scientists like you, Dr. Ornish, Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. Barnhard, Dr. Mc Dougall and others don’t push back and push back hard this type of thing will only get worse. Many people are looking for what seems to be evidence that supports their bad nutrition choices and there are many willing to give it to them and profit from it. I know there are a lot of studies but some of the topics you cover are specific to a small audience and could probably be back burnered when a book like this comes along. Fighting misinformation, lies in nutrition is just as important as putting out the new information in my opinion.

  52. I am 80 years old. In 2011 I developed pneumonia and heart failure and had 2 stents inserted. The EF was 20%.Subsequently I followed Dr McDougall’s diet and Dr Greger completely for 6 years. I really admire both of them. Unfortunately I developed Angina which never left me. I had an episode of atrial fibrillation in April and have a defibrillator inserted. The Angina persisted requiring medication. Two months ago I read Dr Gundry’s book and it made sense. I have followed his diet completely It is simple, no grains, no sugars even in fruit, and no nightshade plants. The angina has completely gone.

    It would appear that cholesterol is an association not a cause and the real culprit is that atheroma is an autoimmune disease due to the reaction of the sugar Neu5GC from animals and wheat germ agglutinin, a small molecule lectin.

    The diet starts with 240G of meat reducing to 120G then 60G and nil. So you end up with the same diet as Dr Greger without the grains etc. The diet consists mainly of bicotyledans, which are mainly green leaves such as gorillas eat. It is a preagricultural diet. Interestingly elephants are similar to humans and in the wild never develop atheroma but in zoos where they are fed grains 50% develop atheroma.

    My main criticism of Dr Greger in this case is that he appears to have based his criticism on the introduction without reading the whole book.

    1. Dr Browne, it seems your crticism is unfounded. Today’s video is Dr Greger’s introduction to the topic. Two more videos will follow (Fri and next Mon). I, for one, won’t judge Dr Greger’s presentation until I have seen the whole series. So far though I am enjoying it.

    2. Not true what you said about elephants. They can get atherosclerosis in the wild and not because of grain.


      It has been suggested that arteriosclerosis in wild Loxodonta africana – African Elephants is related to disturbed habitats (J360.9.w1) and that the following environmental factors may influence the development of arteriosclerosis in wild Loxodonta africana – African Elephants:
      • Prolonged exposure to strong sunlight.
      • Overpopulation/overcrowding.
      • Restricted diet, due to human population pressures.
      • Diet high in calcium. Restricted movement, preventing movement to salt licks.
      • Prevention of migration, with associated breakdown of suitable environmental conditions for young calves, boredom, lack of exercise and overcrowding.
      (J342.61.w1, J360.9.w1, J361.21.w1, J391.32.w1)

      1. Thank you for your comments. All the factors you have described are associations, not aetiology.

        All I know is that following Dr Gundrys diet my angina has gone. No more chest pains which continued following Dr McDougalls and Dr Gregers diet of total vegan diet which I followed totally for 6 years. This was in spite of a total cholesterol reading of 3 me/L (150 mgm/L) which led to further atheroma. There should have been no progression but there was and my Ejection Fraction was 10-15% and has now doubled to 25%, still half the normal, but improving and I am now asymptomatic and can lead a normal life.

        It shows that you are never too old to cure yourself without medication, and this is speaking as a retired OBGYN, with some reservations about the direction of medical practice. I know that Dr Gundry sells supplements but I ignore this as his recommendations have been the only thing that has solved my angina problem so that I can live a normal life.

        Dr David Browne MB, BS, FRCOG, FRANZCOG  Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia

        1. Dr Browne, I admire you taking your health into your own hands. But I’m curious as to whether you continued to eat added oil during your 6 years following a vegan diet? The downfall of many vegans regarding heart disease is that they continue to eat added oil, such as olive oil. Dr Caldwell Esselstyn, who is well known for reversing heart disease, recommends no added oil and also not even high oil-containing whole plant foods, such as avocados and nuts, for people trying to reverse heart disease. Wishing you well in your recovery.

          1. Dear WFPB-Hal,

            I tried to avoid the high oil foods, but I used to eat a lot of beans, but none now. I have an avocado for breakfast and when we cook we use olive oil.
            I have a lot of salads, mainly lettuce, rocket, spinach leaves, mushrooms, onions, avocados, sauerkraut, with some scattered walnuts for ‘body’. We also have cooked vegetables, all organic of course, including broccoli, cauliflower, sweet potatoes, mushrooms. In addition we have inulin to feed the good bacteria and lately I have been using Dr Gundry’s Prebiotics.

            When we go out to a restaurant, I have some wild caught fish, mainly barramundi, coral trout and snapper and garden salad. I share a bottle of red wine with my wife, usually Pinot Noir. I will have sheep or goat cheese as these animals have the same sugars as Humans (Nue5AC).  I also eat prawns which we get straight off the trawlers fresh caught that night.

            For many people this would seem a a very uninteresting diet but having angina with chest pains on the slightest exertion is not interesting either.

            All I can say is that for 2 months I have been free from angina and I am asymptomatic, so that it works for me. I recognise that other approaches work for other people, such as Dr McDougall or Dr Esselstyn There is one man in Australia who lived on nothing but potatoes for 1 year in good health.

    3. Dr. David Browne, thank you for your thoughtful post.

      I have read numerous books that are pro-plant / pro-vegan (e.g. “How Not to Die” by Greger, Starch Solution by McDougal etc). I am a vegetarian, and mostly vegan (other than rare exceptions).

      I read all of the Plant Paradox by Dr. Gundry. I don’t take any of his supplements.

      Ironically, Gundry is a vegetarian (and almost vegan) that is very close to Dr. Greger’s recommendations.

      To the skeptics out there, I recommend that you try Gundry’s eating plan for one week and see how it works for you. It is working for me.


  53. Doctor Michael Greger, M.D.: Please provide a video statement evaluation of the following Doctor Gundry products (www.gundrymd.com): PREBIO THRIVE, Primal Plants, Vital Reds, and Lectin Shield. Also, please comment about “leaky gut”. Thanks

  54. I vote “no” on more reactive videos for the reasons set out at the beginning of this video, there are thousands a research articles to be analyzed which could produce, and do produce value insight which expands the positive, documented, nutritional information available to this community and which is unlikely to be available to us from any other credible source.

    NF.org time and effort expended shooting down quacks is comparatively unproductive (though entertaining, I will admit). This is especially the case considering that those who have watch more than a few of the NF.org videos do not have real difficulty spotting charlatans. So I vote to go forward expand the knowledge base.

  55. I do not have time right now to fully respond to this video, but for the record I am totally disappointed with Dr. Greger’s slanted “assessment” of Dr. Gundry’s work. I am also sick and tired of the “cherry-picking” style and convenient ignoring of conflicting facts that seems to be increasing in Dr. Greger presentations. Worst of all is the fact that you are turning people away from treatments that potentially offer healing and health to folks with chronic diseases, who have not found relief through the $tandard allopathic channels.

  56. Thanks SO much for taking the time to comment on this. I saw Dr. Gundry on Dr. Mercola’s website and was very worried. I changed my diet dramatically to try to heal myself and am off of gluten and dairy. All I had left was legumes to add substance to all the vegetables I was eating; and, the highlight of my day was my morning bowl of non-GMO, gluten-free oats with seeds and nuts. Then I heard that beans are going to kill me, and the oats had to go, too. It was enough to make me give up entirely because I simply didn’t know what the heck to eat. I was thinking of an “air” diet but then I remembered all the toxins in the air.

    Now that you’ve answered this question, I have another request that will help people immensely–talk about Dr. Mercola’s Fat for Fuel. The only two doctors I get updates from daily are you and Dr. Mercola, and you are often at odds on diet. It’s very confusing. Coconut oil, grass-fed butter, ghee, eggs, animal fat, etc. Are there any studies showing that it wasn’t fat that was our enemy, it was sugar and carbs? Legitimate studies? Why don’t you both do a duke-it-out video each challenging the findings of the other on points you don’t agree on. Only then, when the dust has settled, will we laypeople, who trust you with our health, see the truth. You mention using vegetable oils, Dr. Mercola points out their fragile polysaccharide bonds and how they turn rogue in the body. I would love to clear up all this conflict of information and know finally what’s the right thing to do. I’m sure there are another million people out there that do too. Thanks.

    1. Dr. Mercola invited Dr. Greger to make a video that will be linked at bottom of this post. The two communicated like long lost brothers who wisely decided to talk about what they agreed upon.
      There was much to be gleaned from that discussion. Instead of fueling a duke it out battle it is far better to watch their discussion and keep it in mind as each
      makes the case for the other components that are clearly at odds. I say this as a vegan physician for 35 years with nearly as much real world experience long before there was much exemplary evidence that my choice was in fact sustainable or healthy. We did not have instant internet access to information then.


    2. Just as in matters pertaining to politics and political candidates, never allow any so-called “expert” to replace your own independent and objective thinking regarding health and fitness. Placing any one person as a one-stop guru, whom you believe knows it all, or has no erroneous and flawed studies to cite, or who doesn’t have an ax to grind, or monetary bottom line, or an ego to defend, is a recipe for disappointment and failure at best in your pursuit of health and fitness, and at worst could be detrimental to your health and send you to an early grave. There’s lots of information sources available on the Web, but it does take time and a whole lot of effort to sort the wheat from the chaff in such a dynamic field of health and fitness with all the theories, studies, testimonials, etc., but nothing worthwhile in life is easy. Be confident in your ability to think for yourself and don’t rely on some self-appointed guru as a shortcut or cheat sheet to health and fitness. Further, don’t forget that there are a number of different roads that lead to better health and fitness, but some are better than others or more suitable for your particular situation and/or proclivities.

  57. Yes, I would love for you to do more of these “reactive type” videos, or blog responses to posts by doctors, nutritionists, or what have you, that disdain WFPB diets and advocate in favor of high animal fat diets. In particular, I am talking about Dr. Mercola, who has a very large internet following, but there are others. They tend to dismiss YOU, Dr. Greger, as just some wacked-out vegan proponent, but I think you are absolutely spot-on in your analyses. The world needs to hear more from you in response to their postulations.You go, Dr. Greger! I love what you are doing!

    1. “just some wacked-out vegan proponent”

      because of course non-violence towards ALL sentient beings and treating non-human animals the way you yourself wish to be treated is such an extreme and radical idea. just because some forms of violence are socially acceptable in no way makes them any less of an atrocity-in fact in some ways it makes them even worse.

      “If anyone says to you that you’re an animal rights extremist…thank them, and reply with the fact that they are animal wrongs extremists…it’s pretty extreme to pay someone (or do it yourself) to literally torture and kill innocent fellow sentient animals. Wake up folks, there is nothing extreme about not wanting to harm others. It’s our natural state. Most humans are misguided and indoctrinated into believing that cruelty is normal.”

  58. Off the subject: I’ve click “like” on some of the posts, but noticed that on one or two of them what was previously a “one” jumped up to “3.” Also…very strange…another post that had a “1” jumped up to “6”! How did that happen? Somebody cookin’ the books or what?

    1. YeahRight – people are weighing in at the same time you are – the computer updates every so-many seconds. So if 3 weight in at a similar time as you, then at the next update period 3 will register. If only 1 weights in at the weigh-in point, only 1 is registered. No book cooking . . its just how computers set to update.

    2. Yeahright
      no i think it works , you can only vote once . There are a lot of people on here reading comments and no doubt other people were voting same time as you

  59. Man, after listening to him on Mercola and other sites, I said to my self, there is nothing else to eat according to all of the different opinions out there! The last bit of disturbing info that I saw as a rebuttal on “What The Health” by Paul Chek on Youtube that shook me up a little when I heard him describe a reference in a book called “The Living Soil” by E.B. Balfour, (One of the original books on Organic Gardening from the 40’s) was that in 85% of plants, fungi in the soil provide the plant liquefied minerals in trade for sap by eating parasites it kills. WOW! Are plants carnivorous? Wholly, Moley, all vegans are bug eaters, heh heh heh….(This takes a smiling motorcycle rider to a whole new level) :)

  60. Greger, check out this site. justmeat.co It was shared with me today by someone who eats JUST meat (or so they say) And he has been eating just meat for almost 2 years.

    1. @Ryan Michael Harlow–
      Having checked out the site, “justmeat.co(m?)”, you also are free to check out nutritionfacts.org, as well. With nearly 1,800 incisive videos on the latest nutritional science, you cannot go wrong. And having done your homework, you will be able to hold your own in any cubicle or water-cooler debate about How Not to Die . (brazen hint– why not find this book at your local library, or buy a copy for yourself (it never becomes overdue).

      1. I guess I understand the misinterpretation. To start, I have been following greger for almost 5 years now. I have been eating plant-based since beginning of 2013, too. Also the “/s” denotes sarcasm.

        I shared that site as there are some ridiculous items there. Maybe there is something that greger has not been presented with from the paleo world, that interests him? Im curious whats up with the vitamin C article. I skimmed the article, did not read it entirely.

        I share anti-plant info here and to other vegan spots when it is shared with me. I do the same in reverse. The carnivores are always less accepting. Every time I have shared something here or on other plant-based youtube channels, it is addressed. I have never had a meat eater address anything from this sphere that I share with them. Same thing happened today.
        They say, “go check out this site” so I do.
        I respond, “go watch these videos/check out site”
        ….”nah, i dont need any of your vegan propaganda,” they reply.

        1. @Ryan Michael Harlow–
          Precisely– those with serious inquiry remain open and curious, even if constrained by lack of resources (including time), to review any and all points of view. Yet, clearly, not all points are of equal value.

          To the point you made, the “other side” of the debate is not interested in review of the facts, even if you are. (“By their fruits, you shall know them.”)

          At my own figurative watering hole, I found a link to Dr. Joseph Mercola and his enthusiasm for a high-fat diet, what he calls the “ketogenic diet”. The problem with Mercola is he believes he is called to become an evangelist, not merely a researcher. Sometimes, he reaches the correct inference, but his method also reveals serious overreach and multiplies major error, as in his growing infatuation with lipids. Even Mercola’s forums apply sanctions to those who disagree with him, and I have been asked explicitly by Mercola not to mention my enthusiasm for grains in the diet (I had suggested cultivation of grains probably saved humanity and helped generate modern urban civilization).

          For example, Mercola’s most recent enthusiasm is a growing media splash about the so-called PURE study (Prospective Urban Rural Epidemiology). Mercola joyfully concludes the study confirms his own emphasis on what he calls the “fat-burning diet”. Citing the study, Mercola claims, “high intakes of healthy fats — especially saturated fats — boost health and longevity.” And in that much, Mercola would return us, full circle, to Dr. Atkins.

          So, how to escape the continued public confusion about diet? Yes, more and better-focused research, to be sure. But that research is already available– at NutritionFacts.org, we have only to find that research on our doorstep..

  61. .
    Dr. Steven Gundry’s book, The Plant Paradox, demonstrates the signature problem of modern communications networks– an abundance of voices and viewpoints, but a desperate need to filter out the “noise”. In today’s forum of ideas, anyone can enjoy five minutes of media fame, and at least a brief collective suspension of disbelief. Dr. Gundry, like Atkins and so many others, gets instant attention on the New York Times best seller list because he is an MD, and is supposed to speak with authority.

    And yet, we find our gatekeepers of public discourse either have abandoned their gates, or there is a conflict of interest, a clear dereliction of duty and/or professional incompetence at work. As Dr. Greger asks, in exasperation, “I mean, (Dr. Gundry’s thesis) is unbelievable. That’s the opposite of the truth. Add egg yolks to people’s diets, and (research shows) their cholesterol goes up. I mean, how dare he say (the opposite)? And, it’s not like some, you know, harmless foolishness like saying the Earth is flat or something. Heart disease is the #1 killer of men and women—this can actually hurt people. So much for my benefit of the doubt.”

    But now, Dr. Greger is moved to this plaintive plea, “We have a hard enough time just trying not to fall too far behind with (the latest nutritional research studies). Let me know what you think. Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?

    Although, at first, it may seem a good idea to expose nutritional quackery, there is an immediate problem– we also must create yet another division of effort at NutritionFacts.org, where resources are already stretched thin (please remember to donate– there are no billionaire donors to shoulder the burden)

    As the very name and mission of Nutrition Facts declares, it is the work of each of us to review the facts, to vet them for authority, and contribute in this forum our own findings, as well as questions. At its heart, Nutrition Facts becomes a collective effort– we take the foundation of Dr. Greger’s gift of specialized medical expertise, and create a commonwealth of nutrition research science.

    Future direction of Nutrition Facts resolves to a choice between joining the chaotic chorus of media voices, or concentrating on presenting the science with accuracy and authority. Almost all visitors to NutritionFacts.org arrive with the intention of reviewing the facts, rather than disputing or denying them. And helping establish those facts, as Dr. Greger points out repeatedly, remains his primary and life mission.

    1. @Stewart–
      As you may have noticed already, this forum sometimes produces a helpful member with the answer to your question. However, finding the truth you seek usually involves sifting through the evidence.

      Fortunately for you, NutritionFacts.org is the right place to discover that evidence– try searching by topic for all matters related to lectins. You also can use any of the major search engines, including the newer “duckduckgo”. ( https://duckduckgo.com/search_box )

      Make connections between facts you may find elsewhere, and what you find (often summarized neatly) here. On NutritionFacts.org, you will find nearly 1,800 videos on every imaginable nutritionally-related topic, most of it the latest, first-line research.

  62. I just wondered if Dr. Gregor and the team could comment on or review the recent ‘pure’ studies published in Lancet, especially the one from Dr. Dehghan. It seems to contradict the other article from Ms. Miller, in the same publication.

    Thank you to all of you for the great work that you do.

  63. UGH! This whole thread reminds me of the expression “good trees bear good fruit”. IMO, we do not need the good doctor to become the pope of food. If it’s shit, it should smell like it; trust your nose, it always knows. From the sounds of it, some are listening rather than believing, there’s a difference and every one of you are to blame for this miracle. Not such a bad thing is it?

    Look at the thread above, those who wish to remain status quo do so with any number of excuses, as such they need to suffer the consequences of their actions before they see through the veil of BS – and there’s nothing wrong with that. When you come through the other side it’s real, solid, a firm foundation. Until then, most believe what they want and humans will bend any truth to suit their addictions. In other words, we see what we want to. Dr. G’s strongest characteristic thus far has been his ability to just present the facts through an honest review studies …with a hint of sarcasm of course!

    Let’s remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one and at this time, it seems, this is the best we’ve come up with in the social media age… an endless long winded editorial that does nothing to create dialogue but instead divides us into neat little groups of know-it-alls.

  64. @Marcello Disanto said, “this is the best we’ve come up with in the social media age… an endless long winded editorial that does nothing to create dialogue but instead divides us into neat little groups of know-it-alls.”

    Having reached that conclusion about opinions, you nonetheless offered your own opinion as something of value to others. As if that contradiction were not glaring enough, and despite your belief the forum divides members into neat little groups of know-it-alls, you apparently believe somebody heard you.

    Unlike some forums, on Nutrition Facts, you are free to disagree, but by the same token, allow others to disagree with you. That, alone, is the best antidote to your despairing, but thoroughly unconvincing attempt at solipcism.

  65. Hi, Doc Greger, I had not heard of this book, but I enjoyed and appreciate the video on this subject and all your work. I am hoping you might gross me out on the subject of plastics found in sea salt. As you’ve said, plastic (and its chems) is now ubiquitous in all life on this planet, including humans, birds, fish, etc. And it is also in sea salt. I know you are an advocate of a low or no salt diet. I have yet to stay off the stuff more than a couple months. Fasting, celery, vinegar, lemons, nutritional yeast, and onions helped. However, I still like soy sauce way too much. After reading your book How Not to Die, I am also going to try again letting go of stevia as well.

    Cheers, and Thank You :)

  66. I’m wondering shouldn’t be a law that mandates that any book or any pubblication at all that lie to the public and writes things that can be hurtful to people health like this on Plant Paradox should be fact checked before being published? Then if they pass the fact check they could be approved for publishing and if they dont they should be banned from publishing it?

  67. Dear Dr. Greger, dear truth-lovers, I am currently facilitating a Complete Health Improvement Program (CHIP) based on whole, unrefined, plant food in abundance, with exercise measured by a pedometer, stress-relieving strategies, rearranging of environment and so on. One of the participants is diabetic on treatment with poor glucose control. His blood glucose came down to normal on day nine! He ordered a large T-shirt for the graduation ceremony, now he wants a small one.
    Dr. Greger stands out because he cannot be blamed for a conflict of interest. To provide free evidence-based science is unbeatable, no matter what the industry can do. Therefore, it will be a good idea to stay away from debates with money-makers, because that will put your money against theirs, i.e. playing their game by their rules, and the outcome will be disastrous. It’s like playing a game of chess with the world champion – it seems fair, the board is the same, but you don’t have the skills and the means to win. You cannot answer all the attacks and all the claims and all the people who post rubbish in the cyberspace or the other media.
    Rather stick to what you do best, and if you cannot play chess at the level of the world champion, change the game to the one you know best how to play – like taking the chess board and slamming it onto the champion’s head.
    So, better not engage in answering false claims, rather bring the facts without prejudice or addressing the person or the book, or whatever it might be.

  68. Dr. Greger:
    Awesome video!! I think, every now and then, it’s good to do this, especially when there is blatant misinformation. It’s a little “Dr. McDougall”-ish in that it’s slightly more “combative” than your usual video’s, but I think that’s fine in this case, especially when you see Dr. Gundry’s financial incentives.
    This is a real public service, just like all your video’s. Thanks again!

  69. I think that all doctor cum dietician are correct from their point of view. Dr Greger is an expect on vegan, Dr Gundry is an expert on plant lectins, Dr Sinclair is an expert on longevity, & so on. When Dr Gundry crosses into another paradigm like cholesterol he buckles miserably.
    Dr Sinclair too got things wrong about reserveratol. Now he is espousing NMN.
    Nutrition is a wide & has multi factorial topics. Not one diet is universal as human genes differ slightly with each other. A lot of negative things happening to my body can be explained by Dr Gundry theory like why my weight can increase by 1 Kg per day, why however I diet my body weight goes to a set point of 85Kgs & my battles with diabetes,insulin & carbohydrates.
    I welcome Dr Gundry theories as an increment to human knowledge arsenal in the same way as plants have a chemical arsenal to block their predators.
    No one has the all encompassing single solution to human frailties. But I must say Dr Gundry theories are fascinating,amazing,new ,breathtaking & makes a lot of sense like when he says plants make lectins to protect its babies from the ultimate predator which is human. Even between humans we outwit each other daily to survive. What more a defence less plant that cannot move but it is programmed to propagate it’s species. It’s only weapon is lectins.
    But I must say that in biological ageing Dr Sinclair & Dr Greger are getting younger each day & Dr Gundry looks older every day.
    Dr Gundry is hiding his withered looks with multicolored eyes frames.

  70. We were recently advised by a doctor to feed our toddler some oils (They suggested Coconut Oil or Avocado Oil) to help against eczema (He has mild to moderate eczema).
    We are not comfortable with this as we feed him a plant based diet .
    We would welcome any comments or feedback

    1. Dr. Steven Gundry was Chief of Cardiothoracic Surgery at Loma Linda University School of Medicine for years, holds 9 medical patents, and was on the cutting edge of transplant research for years. He is FAMOUS. The fact that you question he ever existed shows your level of medical awareness.

  71. This is a great video. I wish you’d do more like it with more evidence-based responses to popular studies that get a lot of press like the PURE study. This would be helpful because many people trying to follow a whole foods plant based diet get a lot of grief from family, friends, coworkers, etc about it and it would be nice for them to have something to point to and also to have some reassurances to carry on.

  72. I Have lost my last 10 pounds of stubborn weight -and have never felt more clear headed and healthy ever -and I know it is because of the plant paradox – I will be a life time follower of Dr. Steven Gundry after following several diet methods this one worked and I feel great

  73. Thank you! Please do more videos that combat misinformation. People are falling for things like this and need to know the truth. Keep up the good work you do!

  74. Hi Dr. Gregor and the NutritionFacts team,

    First, thank you for all of the great work you do. My wife and I have read How Not to Die and implemented a large portion of your advice with good results.

    Next, I read The Plant Paradox several months ago and since reading it have eagerly anticipated your response, as I respect your opinion on all topics related to nutrition. However, I found your response to The Plant Paradox to be lacking in substance and encourage you to take a deeper look at the book and its core arguments. I have no issue whatsoever if you disagree with the diet, but I do feel Dr. Gundry presents a set of arguments that you did not address at all in this video, and instead this video attacks Dr. Gundry’s character and peripheral pieces of his diet. I will first review my understanding of The Plant Paradox, and then follow with support for my claim that you did not address the core components of the diet.

    The Plant Paradox Diet could be said to be a fusion of the traditional plant-based diet which recommends very little animal protein consumption (meats, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy) with a keto low-carb diet. The result is a diet relatively low in protein (in Phase 3 you level out at 20-40ish grams of protein), low in carbohydrates, and high in fats. The following link to a food pyramid summarizes this well (http://gundrymd.com/food-pyramid/), but the diet could be explained as occasional intermittent fasting while eating the following in the following order: leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables, “high quality” fats, nuts, non-wheat flours, sorghum, millet, resistant starches, small amounts (long-term <2oz) of wild-caught or pastured poultry, small amounts of in-season fruits, small amounts of certain dairy, very small amounts of red meat. Again, the diet is a largely plant-based with minimal animal protein. Or to marginally compare it with the diet proposed in How Not to Die, the book is also vastly plant based with huge emphasis on greens and cruciferous vegetables, but it has the following additive and reductive changes: inclusion of more certain of kinds of fats, limitations on all grains except sorghum and millet, limitations on fruit to limited in-season produce, slightly reduced legume intake (although not zero after pressure cooking), and very minor amounts of animal protein. It is worth noting here that Gundry says that eating no animal protein is probably the best way to go, and gives plenty of vegan options. My point is that if you match up the actual content of this diet with How Not to Die, there a very large degree of overlap. Your response does not seem to indicate you realize this.

    The video presented the following arguments:

    -You say the diet recommends not eating beans which are one of the healthiest foods, but The Plant Paradox says pressure-cooked beans can be included in the diet in Phase 3 (the long-term stage).

    -You say that tomato juice shows anti-inflammatory results, but The Plant Paradox would not have an issue with many tomato juices in Phase 3. The Plant Paradox, in Phase 3, reintroduces many of the foods it previously restricted, as a means of testing if an individual has lectin sensitivity. Most folks do not have these extreme sensitivities, and after gradually adding and testing whether these foods cause issues, the majority of people would be able to drink tomato juice.

    -You presented a series of attacks on Gundry’s line of supplements. I’m not personally interested at all in Gundry’s line of products and find the pricing to be excessive, but it is unclear to me how this business of selling products has any bearing on the accuracy of his overall message. Dr. Gregor has associations that call into question his objectivity too, but part of objective analysis is leaving character attacks and opinions at the door. Many of us come to NutrionFacts for objective analysis of nutritional data – not the staff’s opinion of other humans.

    -You point out his argument regarding shellfish and egg yolks is supported by a research article that is a questionable in the conclusion that can be drawn about cholesterol. However, The Plant Paradox suggests people eat 0 to 2 ounces of animal protein per day long-term. So I understand you are calling into question Dr. Gundry’s research, but you seem to have spent an inordinate amount of time focused on analyzing this one particular argument that is extremely marginal in the diet, as Dr. Gundry himself would not advocate eating limitless eggs and seafood. In fact, he agrees with you that eating limited amounts of these foods is ideal. Your focus on this point seems to indicate you did not read the book, otherwise you would not have focused so much on this point and said “How dare he say this, and it’s not some harmless foolishness”. He did not say to eat lots of this sort of food.

    After watching this video, and the following video on lectins (which also seems to only superficially address The Plant Paradox’s claims about what lectins do and specifically how it says to deal with them, as I noted above you can eat pressure-cooked legumes), it seems to me that you dismissed this book out of hand without a real understanding of what it is. Truthfully, I found this a little disappointing. I eagerly awaited your review of this diet, and was hoping for you to discuss the science behind some of the major claims and components of the diet. A useful refutation of the diet would include something like the following:

    “Dr. Gundry’s The Plant Paradox presents a method of eating that blends components of plant-based low fat diets with components of high fat ketogenic diets. The primary claims of the book involve the role of the gut in the diet, with an emphasis on the role lectins play in disrupting the body’s various systems, frequently characterized by autoimmune inflammatory issues. While the argument makes sense on the surface, there is a lack of established research showing the negative results from the consumption of lectins (specifically the ones Dr. Gundry defined) in the majority of individuals. Further, there is a lack of evidence that eating grains (as opposed to resistant starches) results in any inflammation or metabolic syndrome. Finally, there is no evidence that consuming large amounts of the “good fats” serves to address mitochondrial fatigue in individuals suffering diabetes, kidney failure, certain cancers, kidney failure, and more. Actually, these fats can be harmful as characterized by the increased risk of heart disease and cancers.”

    This is the quality of response I was hoping to see. Instead, I saw a response that attacked the author’s character, mischaracterized his arguments, and argued with minor or irrelevant parts of the diet. Your response seems to miss what The Plant Paradox is really about.

    While I have no issue with you strongly disagreeing with the claims of The Plant Paradox, it seems to me that your response to the diet is weak and does a disservice to your readers. I strongly encourage you to give the book a detailed reading and to provide further videos analyzing Dr. Gundry’s claims. A lot of folks, including myself, greatly respect this website’s work, but you do damage do your credibility when you strongly criticize something while showing a limited understanding of it.

    I would also encourage you to reconsider the personal attacks on Dr. Gundry. It seems to me that Dr. Gundry’s credentials, work history, and current work clearly place him outside of “quack doctor” territory. With that said, he does make very bold claims in his book about the issues he has treated in his patients using The Plant Paradox. Unless you are willing to call the patient treatment claims he makes lies, I suggest holding back the personal attacks in the interest of retaining your objectivity and credibility. These sorts of attacks on another professional greatly diminish your credibility in my eyes, and I am sure I am not the only one.


    1. Dave Rottman: I really appreciated reading your post. It is a great example of how to disagree with someone and start a dialog. Also, I learned a lot about Dr. Gundry’s book from reading your post. For the most part, I don’t agree with you, but I wanted you to know that I think it is a very good post. I’m happy you took the time to write all that out. You may not appreciate my response, but I decided to take the time to address your points.

      First, I can sympathize with your complaint. I agree that Dr. Greger did not do the type of review that you were looking for. I agree that the type of review you are looking for would be nice to have from somewhere. We have those types of reviews for other fad books, and I refer people to those reviews when the topic comes up. However, note that those types of comprehensive point-by-point book reviews come from other sources/sites. My opinion is that the video formats on this site do not really allow for that type of review. Instead, I would argue that Dr. Greger did a good job of addressing key points in the format (short videos and short blogs) allowed on this site, including a continuation of the subject in two following videos. I consider that a reasonable approach for this site.

      I got a kick out of reading your paragraph where you summarize what you think would have been a good review from Dr. Greger. I kind of feel like you answered your own wish. I get what you are saying in terms of wishing Dr. Greger had actually laid out his argument just like that, but I wanted to point out that those point you raise are addressed either here on this video and/or elsewhere on this site.

      You gave us your interpretation of this NutritionFacts video. Here is mine.

      My Summary Of The NutritionFacts Video:

      Starts with a characterization of the book as, “The Hidden Dangers in “Healthy” Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain”—foods like beans, and whole grains, and tomatoes. Why? Because of lectins…” Seems like a reasonable characterization of the book since it is a quote plus a list of foods that the book lists as dangerous or needing care when eating.

      Dr. Greger then goes on to directly address a flaw in this main premise. If lectins really are bad, then the science would show that eating foods high in lectins is a health-detriment. For example, you would see that eating beans is generally unhealthy. But we don’t see a problem with beans in the science. The video points out that we see the opposite. This critique is a legitimate, on-target and high quality point backed by evidence. You think it matters that beans are allowed by Dr. Gundry in phase 3–if cooked a certain way. But Dr. Greger’s evidence seems to show that that type of care isn’t necessary. Dr. Greger’s evidence shows that people shouldn’t just be allowed to eat beans, but encouraged to eat beans. And grains. This is a direct counter point to the book’s claims.

      The video then talks about Dr. Gundry’s conflict of interest. I consider it incredibly relevant that Dr. Gundry makes money off of selling anti-lectin supplements. Just because individuals such as yourself do not have to buy those supplements doesn’t mean that Dr. Gundry doesn’t have an inherent, huge conflict of interest. That’s a hugely relevant point. That’s important to keep in mind. It’s just one part of the big story. Maybe it doesn’t impact Dr. Gundry’s conclusions. However, a financial conflict of interest is important to know about. Conflicts of interest can impact someone’s opinions. Further, this conflict of interest paints a picture when taken in context with the other elements of the situation–such as Dr. Gundry’s main premise not being backed up by the science.

      The last part of the video looks at the first citation of the book. You consider this a matter of Dr. Greger spending an inordinate amount of time on a side point of the book. I consider this to be a very valid approach. Dr. Greger looked at the **FIRST** citation in the book. And not just the first citation, but a citation reporting to back a bold, broad claim about the health impact of what some people consider to be major foods. When checked, that first citation did not back up Dr. Gundry’s claim. (Even more, there is a ton of science to show the very opposite of Dr. Gundry’s claim.) People are impressed with books that have a lot of citations. I think it is important that books have on nutrition have a lot of citations. But people assume that those citations actually back up the claims in the book. A review of a book that points out that the citations do not back up claims is extremely relevant/part of a good review.

      Admittedly, no one is right about everything and maybe Dr. Gundry just got that one bit wrong. But if Dr. Gundry is going to produce a book that makes health claims, he has a responsibility double check and triple check his claims and sources. That’s what Dr. Greger did with his book, including having a whole team of researchers besides himself to make sure claims in How Not To Die are legit. I consider it quite legitimate to look at the first link of the first big claim of a book and see if the author did due diligence. If not, then why should we believe that anything Dr. Gundry says has merit? Especially if we can look at a ton of science showing beans and grains as health-promoting?

      In the doctor’s note on this page just under the video, Dr. Greger acknowledges that he didn’t fully/properly cover the topic of lectins and that he would get to covering lectins in more detail in the next two videos. Again, this is a limitation of the format of NutritionFacts. It seems like it might be premature to be disappointed until you see the next two videos.

      That’s the video that I saw. My opinion is that the video is a reasonable review of Dr. Gundry’s book in the small amount of time available.


      Some additional thoughts:

      You mention a high-fat aspect to Dr. Gundry’s diet. NutritionFacts has addressed super-high fat diets in other videos/pages on this site. My understanding is that Dr. Greger will be addressing diets that are so high fat that they put a person in ketosis in future videos. Hopefully you will find those videos more helpful.

      You are not the first person on this page to feel that Dr. Greger impugned Dr. Gundry’s character. After reading your post, I put on my “open mind, critical hat” and went back through the video carefully to look for that problem. I honestly didn’t see it. Dr. Greger points out that being a doctor in and of itself does not make one qualified to have opinions about nutrition. Dr. Greger is talking about himself as much as anyone else and is just rehashing a point he has made several times on this site. The only other point I could see people balking on is pointing out Dr. Gundry’s conflict of interest. As I explained above, a conflict of interest is a valid and important point that must be made. I keep the same concern in mind when I read Dr. Fuhrman’s books and articles since he sells supplements and food too.

      Lastly, I want to address your point: What about all those people who say they have been helped by Dr. Gundry? Is Dr. Gundry lying? I don’t know what is going on there, but even if you want to give the testimonials the benefit of the doubt, here are some thoughts: According to your post, Dr. Gundry’s advice does a lot to help people clean up their diet. (Ie: As you point out, there is a lot of overlap with a general whole plant food diet and Dr. Gundry’s diet.) Just like with the paleo people, Dr. Gundry’s people are advised to get rid of most of the junk food and cut back on or eliminate dairy. It seems reasonable to me that a lot of people might be helped just taking that first step. It doesn’t mean that Dr. Gundry’s diet is generally backed by solic science or that people following it are maximizing their chances of being healthy long term. It could just mean that they took a step in the right direction and are noticing some good results up-front. The fear, the same fear one would have with the paleo diet, is whether the short term good results will turn into long term good results. I think we will learn more about that potential issue when Dr. Greger addresses the topic of ketosis.

      Another thought I had was that Dr. Greger is typically looking for recommendations for the general population. Those recommendations do not always apply at the individual level. For example, peanuts are healthy for most people and the science shows that. But if Jane has a peanut allergy, then peanuts are unhealthy for Jane. Maybe something is going on similarly with lectins where they are healthy for most people, but some people have a bad reaction. So, for those people, extra care/careful cooking is needed when eating certain foods like beans. Maybe the testimonials and Dr. Gundry’s experience is about those people. I don’t know if that hypothesis is true or not. I’m just saying that it seems like it *could* be true. And it might explain why Dr. Greger comes to one conclusion (since he is focusing on the general population) and Dr. Gundry is coming to another conclusion (since he is focusing on a minority in the general population).

      The question is, is there science to back up this idea? Just like we have science to show us that people can be allergic to peanuts? I don’t know. But I eventually decided that the point is irrelevant. Here is what I think is the key: Is Dr. Gundry super careful in his book to make clear that beans and grains are perfectly healthy for most people and not to worry? Does Dr. Gundry say that only if people think that they are part of the minority, then they might try pressure cooking beans…etc. ? Or does Dr. Gundry leave a different impression for people? Look at the sub-title: “The hidden dangers in “healthy” foods that cause disease and weight gain.” He puts the word “healthy” in quotes, implying beans and grains are not generally healthy. He says these foods cause disease and weight gain right there on the cover. We know both of those claims are untrue. For example, I’ve taken a deep dive into what foods cause weight gain, and it isn’t beans. Dr. Greger has showed us that eating beans and grains generally leads to healthful outcomes–not disease. Dr. Gundry lost any hope of credibility or being deserving of the benefit of the doubt right there on the cover.

      While I don’t share your disappointment in this video, I really did appreciate your post. I doubt my reply will satisfy you, but I wanted to share an alternative view with you.

    2. I didn’t read your whole response but am glad you took the time to disagree here. I posted a longer response below of my impressions of this video, but I feel that this presenter is completely wrong about The Plant Paradox. I am an RN who read the book in early May and began applying it with myself and several of my patients and friends with incredible results (where nothing else had worked). As you stated, this post/video was completely misinformed and assumption-based, rather than truly knowledgeable about what Dr. Gundry is doing. He is incredibly knowledgeable, inspiring, and has devoted the second half of his career to nutrition (unlike the video presenter assumed/attacked unfairly). Anyhow, my life has changed from this book, and many people with chronic diseases I know who are applying it are finding complete reversal.

    3. Dave,

      Thank you for your well communicated response. I appreciate the thoughtfulness in your explanation of the positive elements of this book.

      I also read Plant Paradox, and I felt that the summary by Dr. Greger was misleading and incomplete. And I am a Greger fan and I love this website!


    4. This video was the first I watched by Dr.Greger.
      As a long time health fan( over 40 years), having read many books, a fan of Mercola and Bowden, very healthy at 72, no diseases, and, over page 210 of Gundry’s book, I was quite shocked at Dr. Greger’s language. It was utterly alien to all I am accostumed to hear from the other doctors.

      1. If I had to guess, these charlatans probably haven’t been eating a high fat diet like they recommend their entire lives. Plus there are likely other reasons they are reasonable healthy-looking at their age: regular exercise, high education level, high income, a thriving business, and access to better medical care than the average citizen.

    5. Thanks, Dave. I was aware of Dr. Gundry for years, as a famous inventor and pioneer in the field of cardiac surgery and transplantation. I first worked on his patent applications in a law office, and later transcribed thousands of surgical procedures referencing his inventions. Who is this Dr. Gerber guy, though? This is my first time visiting this web site. I guess he wrote a book also, or something…? I strongly suspect career envy underlying the above attack.

  75. Hello,

    Thank you for the wonderful and informative videos!

    I was wondering if it is possible to please get any advice concerning books such as ‘The Acid Watchers’ and ‘Dropping Acid’ in regards to managing GERD. I am always sceptical of books proclaiming to have the cure for any condition, but I am still struggling with GERD (despite following a mostly WFPB and always vegan diet) and the advice in the books (to eat only low-acid foods) does seem to help… this has involved eliminating tomatoes and many fruits.

    Please note: I am already following the advice given in previous videos for heartburn/reflux on this site

    Any advice massively appreciated!

    Thanks :)

  76. Your question: Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?
    No, no and no! Thanks to your live presentation back in 2009 here in Miami, I gradually changed my diet to plant based, I’m so proud, and have been passing the message along incessantly. Please keep doing what your doing and leave the gossip aside. I would not donate anymore if you started doing reactive work. It would be a no brainer waste of time for the kind of reader that just wants to find excuses to keep eating junk.
    Thank you!

  77. I’m glad you weighed in on this book because earlier this week Dr. Mercola was promoting the book through his news letter. It had me wondering a bit about all the beans and whole grains I eat. I was hoping and thought it was BS.

    1. Read my post below if you wish. I have had incredible success with this book/approach and this video author is wrong about Dr. Gundry. He is also wrong about what he thinks the book is about. It’s an AMAZING and true book! I’m applying it with my patients (I’m an RN) and myself with incredible results.

  78. Please don’t lower your standards, Dr. Gregor. I’m a HUGE fan of your work and listen faithfully, but this one didn’t feel too good. Trashing someone else’s work doesn’t help your cause, in my opinion. It’ll set you up for unnecessary battles and disunity.

    1. Amen. I felt the same way! His approach in this video undoes any credibility he may have had with people like me. Plus (read my post below) he is WRONG about this one.

  79. Well Dr Gregor, I hate to do this to you, but I would love it if you could comment on David Seaman’s recent book, The Deflame Diet. He is NOT an MD but is a DC, and while we chiropractors tend to know a bit more a bit more about nutrition than MDs, most of us are not experts. But Dr. Seaman does have an MS in nutrition and has been writing about it (mostly articles written for health professionals) for 25 years. While as a lifelong vegetarian (mostly vegan) I disagree with some parts of his approach, I find his writing mostly valuable and compelling and well-referenced, even tho some of his basic recommendations are completely opposite yours (and I find your work very valuable & compelling also). The key area of agreement between you 2 is that what he calls “dietary crack,”–sugar, refined grains, trans fats, refined omega-6 seed oils and grain flour products–underlie much disease and pain. From there you diverge and I’d greatly value your comments.

  80. This video has the attitude of many closed-minded, ill-informed, assumption-based people today who close down a conversation with no real understanding of it. I am a nurse (RN, BSN) who has had incredible results with Dr. Gundry’s Plant Paradox both for myself and my patients (even though I’ve only been using it for 5 months now). I am watching it reverse chronic pain and disease in ways that nothing else could.

    By 40 seconds into this video, I had already identified 3 untruths about what Dr. Gundry is promoting. He may be making money, but who gives up a lucrative, prestigious heart surgeon career to become a restorative doctor through NUTRITION (unlike the video author proposes) unless he is passionate about something because it works? Dr. Gundry is humble, inspiring, and has spent years applying nutrition studies to his patients and they have changed their lives. Don’t believe this closed-minded, WRONG opinion/assumption presented in this video. Read and apply The Plant Paradox for yourself. It really works! I have seen it reverse diabetes, high blood pressure, metabolic resistance, chronic pain, and it is even reversing advanced Parkinson’s on one of my patients. It is beneficial for auto-immune disease as well as chronic diseases that plague our country.

  81. Just chiming in to respond to your question of whether or not you should do more videos like this one… I vote YES! Thanks for ALL you do!

  82. I have great regard for Dr Greger, but he too sometimes “cherry picks” the scientific literature. I think it’s important to note:

    1) Dr Gundry recommends a plant-based diet, with animal protein used as a “condiment”. If one has a serious illness (cancer, auto-immune, etc), he recommends no animal protein at all. So the number of eggs consumed, for example, would not be enough to increase CHD according to any number of valid studies (Harvard School of Public Health has conducted many, easily “googleable”). Also, the study Dr Greger cites regarding egg consumption and cholesterol, clearly states that it is an association with eggs not a cause…just sayin’.
    2) As for the lectin issue, there is very little research out there on lectins and their relationship to inflammation. Dr Gundry does see patients and thus does have some valid incite into what alleviates auto immune illnesses, cancer, neurodegenerative conditions, etc., and removing lectins–among other changes–apparently has helped improve the health of his patients (unless one is accusing him of fabricating his patients’ experiences?). He uses inflammatory blood markers (hsCRP is one of the tests) to track his patients’ response to diet–just about no one does this! It’s also important to note that peeling and de-seeding plants high in lectins (nightshades) eliminates them. He states frequently that Italians always do this with tomatoes (I can vouch for that!)–which is why tomato sauce and tomato juice are not a problem. As for beans, when they are cooked in a pressure cooker, the lectins are destroyed (soaking and fermenting also helps to remove them)…canned Eden brand beans are in fact pressure cooked. He also points out that cultures who consume daily amounts of lectins, as beans, seem to have a micro biome that has “evolved” to deal with lectins and thus inflammation does not occur. FYI, partially cooked beans are responsible for a large percentage of food poisoning incidents yearly. This research investigated lectin toxicity:
    3) Some have asked about starch (sweet potatoes are a thumbs up). Dr Gundry encourages numerous forms of starch, both for fiber, prebiotic effect, and of course, nutrient content. He also recommends healthy fats (nuts, olive oil, avocados ) but not seeds or seed oils (so-called vegetable oils which are highly processed) or any grains or their derivatives….well maybe a little rice!

    I have no affiliation with Dr Gundry, but I do not agree that he is “nutritionally uneducated”, nor that his primary goal is profit. Yes, he has products to sell but he always gives the Trader Joe/Costco alternatives for these.

  83. Dear Dr. Greger,

    I’ve been a low fat plant based since my heart attack 6 years ago. And I thank you for NutritionFacts.org and the useful information you continue to provide.

    I immensely enjoyed your takedown of Dr. Grundy. Medical charlatans need to be hauled into the sunlight. But, despite the pleasure it gave me, I fear that in doing so on a regular basis you may do damage to your purpose and reputation as a fair arbiter and summarizer of the current research. These ongoing debates about diet are bound to suck at your energy and muddy the waters you’re working hard to clarify. So, while it seems to me useful to show what is wrong with the latest Diet Doc’s tenets, it is not useful TO YOUR PURPOSE to call him out for cockeyed ways and his lotions and supplements–as much fun and as cathartic as it may be.

  84. I knew when I first saw this book on YouTube it was bull. I knew because I had seen several of your truthful, factual videos on this website and on YouTube. Thank you for providing the truth about much needed nutritional facts. As to your question, please continue to debunk everything that comes out from Dr. Grundy and any other so called health professional like him. Keep up the good work Dr. Greger.

  85. I enjoyed hearing this video – I think debunking this kind sort of misinformation is important. I especially liked the way you proved him to be spreading misinformation by explaining what was wrong with his citation Have you ever seen the Soy Alert and the silly studies that are put forth on the Weston Price website? Even me, a lay person, can tell that those supposed studies are nonsense.

  86. Stick to what you’re doing, you don’t need anymore negativity the world has to offer and I believe that if you start addressing all the misleading doctors out there, you’ll burn yourself out. You are making a huge impact already with what you’re doing. I’m glad you are addressing the lectins. I’ll be seeing you this October in San Diego. My brother in Texas is really worried about these lectins. Now I have more information to share with him. Keep up the good work!

  87. Greetings! Last week i received in my email from MEDSCAPE a very controversial study that is causing a lot of conflic in the nutritional field. Please could you analyze and if possible react to this ??? Thank you very much
    this is the name of the study ;
    “Associations of fats and carbohydrate intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality in 18 countries from five continents (PURE): a prospective cohort study


  88. PLEASE continue to debunk false claims such as those of Dr. Grundy. There are so many out there, I and many others get very confused: are potatoes fattening? Do they lead to diabetes? Is coconut oil healthy? etc.

    1. Hi Addison this is Dr. Daniela Sozanski, PhD, Functional Medicine practitioner in Atlanta, GA and Moderator for Nutritionfacts. Let me try to answer your questions one by one. Are potatoes fattening? … Potatoes are a starchy vegetables, in the high glycemic category, that is true. However, a lot of food can be fattening if not eaten in moderation. For a healthy person, of normal weight, one potato now and then will probably not mean any trouble. Are some potatoes more preferable than others? Yes, purple and sweet potatoes are more nutritious, still they need to be consumed in moderation. Do potatoes lead to diabetes? Diabetes is a disease of fat toxicity and associated with obesity. So any form of caloric excess, leading to obesity could also lead to diabetes. Is coconut oil healthy? In the light of latest and not so new research, the answer is not quite. Neither coconut oil, nor milk are recommended for diets protective against heart disease. Coconut itself, due to its high content in fiber, was shown to be a healthier alternative. Please watch the video https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-about-coconuts-coconut-milk-and-coconut-oil-mcts/ for important information. I hope this helps, Daniela

  89. Thank you dr. Greger what is very informative nutritional fact. I’m going to share this with my Facebook friends because I’m sure they would like to know the truth about nutrition. Even though all my friends are vegan they can share it with their non-vegan family and friends.
    Ironically dr. Gundry’s surname is rooted with what people use to commit suicide. LOL

  90. Dr Gundry does not prohibit beans, he only requires they be pressure cooked first. For me personally he was right about one thing for sure- quinoa should b pressure cooked first! I am nauseous for hours followed by throwing up when I eat it.

    Also, Egg yolks and Butter are helping me lose weight-10 pounds this summer! They are helping me reduce my sugar intake from flavored yogurts and my carbs from cereals in the morning! I would have lost more weight if I could’ve reduced sugar further but I haven’t entirely………I think saturated fat is great and sugar, hidden sugars, and even juices are the health culprit-although very delicious.

    Remember folks that bread and crackers are not whole grains- they are crushed up grains as Dr Gundry says…………both experts here are in favor of eating garden vegetables, lectins or not. Its mostly the people with immune and gut disorders, as well as allergies that are really benefiting from Dr Gundry”s book. Folks with diabetes like my mom tremendously benefit from avoiding sugars even from healthy fruit- watermelon,dates, beets, even carrots are healthy for us but not for them.

    My husband has a gut issue and had a form of IBS. His diarrhea stopped as soon as he cut out potatoes, corn, bread, and other starches that don’t seem to give me any problem whatsoever. Resistant starches are also a no-no for him right now, although Gundry encourages resistant starches like tubers and kassava=(“miracle noodles”) on his diet, so we did not use his diet and used the “Specific carbohydrate diet” instead- a diet which stopped his diarrhea, and now he could even cheat a little bit. It has stopped the symptoms of Krohns disease for so many and I recommend it to people with gut disorders.

    “One man gathers what another man spills”……………………………

  91. I would like to know if lectins are really out there and are harmful if eaten. This Dr. Gundry has good background, but do you think this is true? I eat a lot of veggies all kinds. We grow a organic garden aNd I love the tomatoes…eat about a half bushel a season, raw, seeds, and skins. Should I not? Confushed/?//

    1. Hi, vopelakterriers@tds.net. The answer to your question is two-fold. As the video states, yes, lectins are out there, and some are toxic, but most are not, and those that are toxic are destroyed by cooking. Red kidney beans do include toxic lectins when raw, but those lectins are destroyed by the cooking needed to make them soft enough to eat.
      You can learn more about lectins here: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/are-lectins-in-food-good-or-bad-for-you/
      and here: https://nutritionfacts.org/video/how-to-avoid-lectin-poisoning/
      Enjoy your veggies and tomatoes in good health! I hope that helps!

  92. Could Dr. Greger do a comprehensive analysis/rebuttal of keto diets? A lot of poorly interpreted studies and contradictory data is being used in arguments.
    Not just low-carb, but keto – with regard to their claims about blood sugar balance, appetite reduction and mental clarity.

    Thank you in advance.

  93. Thanks for your question Hannah,

    According to the latest published review on the topic, it appears that a ketogenic diet is not safe and have been associated with a adverse effects such as insulin resistance.

    the other issue is what the types of food a ketogenic diet contains, if it’s mainly composed of animal protein and fat, it’s not going to a optimal diet for human health (see here). Also, by cutting out on carbohydrates, people may be missing out on important foods and nutrients.

    Hope this answer helps.

    Hope this answer helps.

  94. I believe a good mix of reactive-type and peered reviewed videos would deliver a powerful message, especially with Dr. Greger’s wonderful format.

  95. I need serious help. I don’t know what to do. I’m hoping someone out there (Dr. Greger would be amazing) can shed some light here. I’m 40 years old, and have struggled with high cholesterol and triglycerides for some time. About 5 month ago, I switched to an entirely vegan diet, with zero animal products whatsoever. My diet focuses predominantly on fruits and vegetables, as well as healthy grains and beans. I try to limit any sort of white or processed sugar or flour, but haven’t eliminated it entirely. I almost never eat “dessert” unless that is berries or fruit. I’ve added ground flax to most of what I eat. I eat a Brazil nut daily. I’ve followed almost everything Dr. Greger set forth in How Not To Die. I’m very active with running being my primary source of exercise. I recently had my first blood labs done since I started this lifestyle 5 months ago. They have never been worse in my life. My cholesterol was 309. My triglycerides were a whopping 579. Eating meat and dairy never gave me these sort of results (though they weren’t ever good). I’ll say I was put on a statin about 7 months ago, but stopped taking it once I went completely plant based. I’m at the end of my rope. Even though I’ve lost 20 pounds, my labs show I’ve never been more unhealthy in my life. How can I be more unhealthy after a plant based diet? How could my cholesterol still be over 300 without so much as having a gram of cholesterol in the past 4 months? I’m desperate here. I loved everything about being vegan but if it’s killing me worse than my previous diet, I can’t go on. Someone help me.

  96. Hi Jason Ellis,
    thank you for your comment and your story. I am one of the volunteer moderators at the website. I can understand your frustration that inspirte of changing your dietary habits toward whole plant based food your lab results have not improved. I would suggest you see a local dietitian who can take time to get a medical and diet history to get a better understanding of your dietary habits and lifestyle. You might like to reassess your life style habits and also check your vitamin D level and B12 level to make sure you are in normal level for these important vitamins. I hope this is useful to you and I wish you good health.

  97. I have read that when young it is good to keep Cholesterol low but a study showed that in the older folks the higher cholesterol is a predictor of longer life.
    Also have read that the brain needs Cholesterol to avoid dementia and Alzheimer’s.

    I am not in agreement that everyone does best on any one diet. I think that folks need to find their best fuel by observation and testing. Genetics are a facotr as well but epigenetics, lifestyle, environment and above all thinking matter. Whatever is not of faith is sin so it is important to believe in what you allow but it is not profitable to judge and slander others. In my opinion discernment is good but speaking evil of anyone is not. I believe we are all very different and yet there are many things most diet group do agree on. No one seems to notice those. All diet and health book authors are humans and as such are flawed like all of us are. I have found that when something really bothers me in someone else it is some issue within myself. The commentary gives me something to consider.

    1. Martha Marie: re: “I have read that when young it is good to keep Cholesterol low but a study showed that in the older folks the higher cholesterol is a predictor of longer life. Also have read that the brain needs Cholesterol to avoid dementia and Alzheimer’s.”

      What you read about is a phenomenon called reverse causation. In this case, reverse causation means that the studies are showing that diseases like cancer and Alzheimers cause cholesterol to go down. It does not mean that low cholesterol in older people is bad. It just means that low cholesterol in older people may be indicative of disease. Studies that follow people before they get sick show that life-long low cholesterol levels (ie; low/human-normal levels maintained through diet or genetics) maximize chances of a long, healthy life. Here is one article (thanks TG for the link) that helps to make this point: http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/793179 For a more in-depth look at the idea of reverse causation when it comes to cholesterol, check out these awesome videos: http://plantpositive.com/blog/2012/3/27/cholesterol-cancer-and-depression.html and http://plantpositive.com/blog/2012/3/26/tpns-43-45-anything-but-ldl.html

      The bottom line to understand is that: When people maintain the cholesterol levels they are born with (total 150 or below and LDL 70 or below), they do not get heart disease. (There is at least one NutritionFacts video on this topic, http://nutritionfacts.org/video/optimal-cholesterol-level/. I believe there is another also, but I can’t find it right now. Hopefully you can find it if you are interested.) FYI: These are the same levels that other primates maintain. On the other hand, if people eat foods that allow their cholesterol levels to go above the safe levels, these people incur the risk of dying from the number one cause of death in America.​ People who tell yo differently either do not understand the science or are deliberately misleading you. While no one understands everything, this sort of giant error on a very important topic makes one wonder what else they don’t understand…

  98. Don’t knock it until you try it.
    I’ve been a firm and devout follower of the low-fat plant based diet for the past 10 years. I’ve had RA for 31 years. I’ve been on hunira, celebrex, methotrexate, and prednisone just to keep me going. While on the plant based diet, I never could get off any medication without extreme pain.

    While on the plant based diet, I still had a heart attack, a knee replacement and a clogged main artery.

    My inflammation and pain still hurt.
    I’ve been on Dr. Gundry’s program for 3 months and I’m off all my meds. My C reactive protein went from 3.5 to .7

    Criticize him all you want, but his program works! I don’t have to go to my rheumatologist any more! He is a doctor but also a researcher. I never thought this could happen to me. I also went from 138 lbs to 118 lbs.

    Carolyn Argyle

  99. I started the Plant Paradox Program in March 2017. At the time I weighed 247 lbs, was incontinent, barely could sleep two hours straight, suffered chronic fatigue, had brain fog like attention deficit disorder. At the time I started the program the book was not published. I use info from Dr. Gundry’s YouTube videos and his food pyramid. I worked out regularly and tried to eat a healthy diet of brown and wild rice, whole grain bread all the standard grains as well as fruit and vegetables.
    I switched from these foods to the foods recommended by Dr. Gundry’s and here is what happened. By October 10 I now weigh 191 lbs and all those ailments disappeared. I now look similar to when I was a track athlete in college 40 years ago.

  100. Dr. Gundry comes off a little odd and his presentation is uneven but no matter. A fellow physician told me that she had resolved chronic arthritis symptoms by eating Gundry’s diet. Admittedly, his autoimmunity diet sounded preposterous at fist. I have ongoing gut problems related to Hashimoto’s disease. The idea that the diet addressed auto-immune problems was of great interest. Having adopted 90% of his recommendations over several weeks, I noticed marked improvements and reduction of acidity. My wife has noticed a reduction in joint pain. Dr. Gundry is onto something.

  101. As enlightening as “follow the money” is to finding the truth in scientific publications is, so is “follow the science”. Bravo Dr. Gregor

  102. I do appreciate that you point out the warped citation. Regarding egg yolks increasing cholesterol – The body needs cholesterol. Wasn’t the cholesterol myth debunked years ago? I understood that is was the level of homocysteine that matters more.

  103. The “cholesterol myth” argument was created by the egg industry. The only myth is that eggs don’t raise cholesterol which is total hogwash. Every clinical study that ever fed a WFPB vegan an egg yolk clearly shows their cholesterol skyrocketing which is always associated with increase risk for cardiovascular disease. The egg industry fools everyone by sponsoring studies that feed people cholesterol raising foods before the egg yolk. Blood cholesterol levels reach a maximum after eating foods that raise cholesterol such that if you feed these people an egg, their blood cholesterol is already max’d so it won’t go up any further. This is the egg industry’s argument for the safety of eggs. This is ridiculous. The body makes all the cholesterol it needs. There is no need to ingest any cholesterol.

    Dr. Ben

    1. You know there is good cholesterol and bad cholesterol right? Not to mention that anytime you undergo a major diet change, your body will need time to adjust.

      1. There is only one type of animal derived cholesterol molecule and that’s what eggs have a lot of. What you’re referring to is HDL and LDL, neither of which are cholesterol. These are both (lipo) proteins that carry cholesterol in the our blood.

        Dr. Ben

        1. Ah you caught me. I really didnt do much research on that one. It was not something i knew. I do know that it can be a shock to the system to change diets. I went through a horrible few days switching from a lectin and carb fuelled diet to ketosis. I also know this site is full of bs because it is filled with attack propoganda towards mark gundry. It assumes he is just out for profit without knowing. High quality ingredients are expensive these days, thats the reason so many people are unhealthy. He also has a no questions asked money back guarantee so there is no risk in trying it. Anything i’ve heard off of bulletproof radio has been gold. Sometimes information might conflict among guests, but they work to solve why there’s a conflict instead of just attacking someone. They’re all working for a better mankind. The quack who made this video should smarten up and do the same.

          1. I understand it’s tempting to believe in things that sound reasonable, but biological systems don’t work that way. As an example, you say you feel better when you do certain things. Unfortunately that’s really not evidence. As an example, if we took 30 of your closest friends, divided them into 2 groups, gave the first 15 people a sugar pill and told them it was a sedative and the other 15 a sugar pill and told them it was a stimulant. About 30% of each group would act as if they had taken either a sedative or stimulant respectively. It doesn’t mean they’re mental, it’s just the placebo affect. That’s why we do double blind controlled clinical studies. It’s the ONLY way to objectively determine what works and what doesn’t. This is the only evidence that Dr. Greger reports on. And what he says in the video is 100% correct. He has no motivation to report otherwise. If Dr. Grundy’s system had any shred of real peer reviewed evidence behind it, Dr. Greger would have been happy to back him up. But this is not the case. Follow the objective evidence for optimal health.
            Don’t follow talking heads that create things that enrich themselves without any peer reviewed evidence.

            Dr. Ben


    2. I was vegan for 7 years and ended up with hypocholesterolemia, among other nutritional deficiencies, despite eating a good variety of lovely vegan food. Happy to be eating plenty of cholesterol again. And my numbers are great again.

  104. I was recommended by my GI Doctor to go on the plant paradox diet and it actually made me sicker. I was getting migraines because there wasn’t enough healthy slow digest carbs/calories to sustain my blood sugar. Not to mention it wasn’t at all curing my GI problems. I find it hard to believe that a diet where healthy foods like oatmeal, peas, fruits, etc would be secretly killing us when so much research has been done to support the health benefits of a balanced diet. Not to mention Dr. Gundry’s over use of artificial sweeteners as opposed to encouraging people to use less of a more natural sweeteners like honey or maple syrup.

    I have also purchased the pre-biotics from Gundry MD and they have a crooked business model. They tricked my elderly parents into purchasing an auto renewal package-90 day supply they ship every 30 days? Why would they need to ship that much so frequently??? When we tried to return and cancel the product my parents had to pay shipping to send back. It just didn’t seem like a right way to do business for someone who is so interested in helping others.

  105. Doesn’t pass the whiff test is a really negative thing to say. You know who usually says negative things? People with infammed guts and brains. I’ve learned alot of doctors don’t know what they’re doing. I’m going to trust the happy doctor.

  106. One important point that was missed in this analysis is that Dr. Gundry does not entirely exclude lectin containing foods, but instructs on how to prepare foods to them. His advice is to do things such as pressure cook beans to remove lectins, and to remove skin and seeds from tomatoes.

  107. YES … please post more videos on well intended medical doctors writing books and posting information that is faulty and just wrong. I was considering buying The Plant Paradox and now I will not buy it. Keep up the good work … we all need reliable information for the common folks!

    1. Hi Juliette,

      It may serve you well to read the Plant Paradox and form your own opinion on the information it presents. I don’t agree with everything Dr Gundry says, but there is a lot of good information in there.



    2. Sad, very sad that you would let one 4 minute video of one person’s opinion discredit a renowned doctor’s lifework who has helped thousands of people not only heal their guts but actually understand what was wrong in the first place. Read the book, it doesn’t take long and if you really care about your health you should be making your own informed opinion anyways. I actually suggest the cookbook if you want a more plain language and less jargon filled explanation of his diet and it’s scientific foundation.

      1. My comment wasn’t based upon on one 4 minute video … not sure how you came to that conclusion? I’ve read many references on Dr Gundry’s work from many expert opinions … I don’t believe all of his work is wrong … eating plants are good for you. I not sure how Mexico & other countries can support a population with beans and tomatoes etc … think you get my point! Plus … the research I read doesn’t sell supplements to support their research … just sayin!

        > NutritionFacts.org |

  108. And then, of course, there is the fact that this article is very self-serving when it comes to publicity for his own book “How not to Die”… It amazes me that someone can take a single citation and try to leverage it to discredit the vast amount of research and evidence presented in The Plant Paradox. One should always question motives when someone tries to trash someone else. I’m sure that you sold a lot more books as a result of it though…

  109. I am reading The Plant Paradox and find it awesome. This man is a cardiovascular sugeon who has done heart repair and transplants with children—–He may be selling stuff but his book is explaining just about everything wrong with my husband with type 2—–we are experimenting with the lectin avoidance diet to see what happens—his explanations about the evolutionary history of human nutrition are worth the cost of the book —my husband was raised on pinto beans and white potato in Tennessee, and his 2 brothers are passed with type 2 complications—–I am thinking about the billions of dollars connected to the over consumption of white potatoes and maybe tomatoes in the american diet—-french fries, pizza, loaded baked potatoes, tomato sauce over pasta, etc. etc. potato chips(my addiction) so I we are going with the lectin avoidance diet just to see, maybe my husband will lose weight, lower glucose, be pain-free, who knows? I would not bad-mouth anyone who holds patents on devices to assist in heart surgery or has done a heart transplant in a human being.

  110. Sorry, I disagree. From first hand experience I know that constant pain in joints, muscles and rashes can be alleviated by eliminated foods suggested by Dr. Gundry. The lectin “discovery” by Gundry is a continuation of knowledge expressed by the treatment for Celiac, and wheat resistance as well as other food related medical problems. Since not everyone has health problems caused by foods, not everyone has to follow his food guidelines. But for those of us that do, his insights are very helpful.

  111. Dr. Gundry is misleading people about antibiotics and meat with the “organic” label. You don’t need to pay extra for meat labeled “organic” to avoid exposure to antibiotics. In the US, absolutely no traces of antibiotics in any meat are allowed when it reaches the market. Before animals go to market, there is a withdrawal period for antibiotics, meaning any food or milk from animals that have been treated with an antibiotic may not enter the food supply until a predetermined amount of time has passed since the animal’s last dosage. Withdrawal times vary depending on the specific drug and the time they take to be processed by the animal, but the range on average is one to 60 days.

  112. Did you actually read the book or stop after the first citation? Just curious as Dr Gundry advocates a mostly plant based approach and talks about prepping the food properly using a pressure cooker to break down lectins in beans, for example. Or the traditional methods of prepping food, like removing the skin and seeds of tomatoes. His recommendations are free, he offers a foods list and protocol that looks to have helped a lot of people with autoimmune issues.

    My take away from the book was not that these foods are bad for us (yet they may be bad news for some), but to pay attention to food quality and preparation.



    1. Gundry is a fraud, apparently he is not coming from an area of experience and most of what he has written is truth fabricated in order to sell books.

      1. Okay, how many books is Dr. G selling from his videos and website? Oh, you mean he doesn’t sell them at cost? He sells books and not supplements… so that makes him the night in shining armor… and Gundry is his foe, aka, victim to protect his kingdom of righteousness. And it goes round and round! As others have said the diets are not so different, some premises… and maybe threats to Dr. G’s library of books. Nevertheless it does not make for healthy discourse to prop yourself up at another’s expense.

        Putting so much weight on studies alone is a mistake I would say. Not saying it couldn’t shed some objective light to help support ideas concerning lectins and the theories put forth by Dr. Gundry. But for now people are realizing benefit, even those who appreciate and support Dr. G’s work. As said too here, studies are not infallible, follow the money, the milk industry, sugar, how many times have you added or excluded something, then full circle because of a study, or laughed at one you knew had to be false. Like coffee studies, coffee addicts love the good ones hate the bad. Coconut oil was bad, good, then bad again… until you hear the canola oil industry was behind the study (if that is true). Sorry good science is often not so good, who is driving the study is not always so clear, or completely hidden for years, whoops! There is no holy grail in that arena!

        There is a polarization in this thread that reflects the political shortsightedness that is going on now in this country. And to ask if people want more of it is shortsighted, as well, unless that’s what you enjoy… the battle of it! Research has supported the drug industry and marginalized natural medicine as a whole… who can afford to do them!?

        The higher your horse gets the more you have only polarized mentalities responding and listening to what you say… or criticizing you… all while you “fight the good fight” as a crusade, instead of being inclusive of other ideas, even if you don’t agree you can say what you don’t agree with without attacking, and bring out what you do agree with. Socrates comes to mind… though look where it got him!

        Best to lighten up and not minimize everyone into victims. Let people try for themselves. The PP diet isn’t horrible, he is not telling people to eat monkey shit coffee or something horrific, and then selling it for $500 an ounce. Some people got help from Dr. G’s diet and some from the other Dr. G… rundy! Anyway I did so much reading on this thread I had to write something… Both diets remove brain-fog right! I can’t decide which to try first… is there a neutral party that can help me out!

    2. hoffman h nov 15, Good to hear but Gundry does not promote “organic” he currently (with respect to the “Plant Paradox”-2017 that I read) promotes pasture fed animal meat in very low proportion to low-lectin plant foods diet.

      The antibiotic problem extends beyond chemical contamination/ resistant super bugs: it makes the animals fatter by increasing hunger that is met by non-green animal feed supplementation such as corn and soy – both high in lectins that have the ability to effect all consumers of their meat.

  113. I just came across the Dr Gundry stuff and then looked at what Dr Gregor had to say about it, and it makes sense, but it leaves a question. If eliminating lectins is a good thing and is as easy as boiling for a half hour, does that mean that ‘instant oat meal’ which merely submerges the dry oats in boiling water, but which loses its heat immediately, is bad?

    1. Yes – if you follow Gundry. No if you dont. (Read “Plant Paradox”which explains far better than the Gundry interviews, as you clearly need more information..)
      The history of grain consumption has been in conjunction with careful preparation – soaking/ long cooking/ fermentation; likely seasonal use; likely less quantity in diet. Clearly not the same as the massed produced, quickly prepared and over consumed dietary component we have now.

  114. Pot calling kettle black? Re the “Whole Grains reducing all cause mortality etc. study” comparing wholegrain to refined grain diet… It is misleading to suggest that whole grains PER SE lead to reduced risk (etc) when that study was not making such a comparison at all. To use that “research” to support the claim that plant lectins theory of disease is “wrong” is selecting results from a subset of the picture and not representative of the WHOLE picture .. It is already well researched and accepted, that the affect of fibre is health beneficial. (and therefore expected to be shown in such meta-analysis). And one would expect the effect to be significant.

    The only research to support the claim that “Lectin” theory is wrong is to use data comparing levels of dietary lectins. In the quoted study lectins were not excluded – not controlled for. (Also if Gundry is correct and the lectin “contaminant” is also carried across from what animals ate then the data from the whole grain diet subjects may be confounded due to less meat in the diet (and less source of lectins compared to a presumably to high meat -high refined grain diet ususal combination).

    The effect of dietary lectins in such statistical investigations is emulsified and unseen because thats not was being looked at! The very problem of lectins as described by Gundry is that effect is invisible to the uninformed eye; and that the symptoms are attributed wrongly to other causes such as the cholesterol theory of heart disease.

    The point raised by Gundry is corroborated by many others in recent times (as research has investigated the effect of Gut bacteria on human health) that the common killer diseases are not a simple cause of high fat meat diet. Gundry provides reason for also avoiding meat and has plans for vegan diet, but he does advise not to be blinkered about plants and their genetic ability (as well as their man-created super-power ability -ie GMO lectins) to create human damage, and therefore to choose and prepare plants well.

    This subject is beyond politics of “who” is right: it simply raises the question to be answered. It is not answered by cherry picking research.

  115. I find the video on this page to be troubling. The level of sarcasm in the narrator’s voice lends no credibility to the counter-argument. I have recently read the plant paradox and cutting out (or pressure cooking) a few veggies to reduce Lectins actually makes sense to me. Its essentially an extension of the gluten issue which has wide acclaim today, i.e. gluten is one of many lectins. The criticism of “MD” in the title of the Doctor is amusing when a few seconds later the video shows a white-paper endorsed by Multiple MDs. To cite that MDs dont receive nutrition training is valid. However, the sheer enormity of Dr Gundry’s background in Heart Transplantation, world renowned, suggests he’s a straight up guy, to be respected and believed. Also, his work in transplanttion / rejection by immune system seems directly relevant to the main subject of reduction of inflammation by avoiding Lectins. Also, his sale of supplements is accompanied by options to buy the same from other sources, I’ve never seen that level of openness. Like many of these strategies, there are conflicting opinions from valid sources and I welcome and in fact seek the counter-argument to any subject of this matter – but I stopped the above video after 30 seconds as the sarcasm was too much. I would welcome the writer to re-shoot the video and make a scientific argument in a polite tone and stick to the facts.

  116. I read of a PhD student whose thesis was about the famine in Ireland. Hence POTATOES. He found out that under the toughest conditions that the DNA expressions s\changed quickly and remarkably. Perhaps , my good man Tom, The DNA changes is why they were “healthier- i..e. it could be that the Generational change was to enable them to get by on Potatoes. This would imply, per region or culture there may be a hundred different “feel good ” and “unexplainable” to science why this diet of the Irish came about under “FOOD STRESS” Copyright . I would bet that , say, Ukrainians diet “works” for them and no one else. (I am guessing) The game changer is any terrible famine per any culture that has come their way and they tend to experience an uninterrupted line (i.e, “little inter-marriage” ) since the stress period. Finally I like to follow trivia of rock and roll talents. When I wrote Potatoe above, I immediately thought of the scotch/Irish
    Apparent highly developed alcohol receptors. Some talents do pills and overdose- but mark my words that the UK’s hard rockers /blues types handle stress in the medium run on booze, with a fifth a day being not too unusual. The man “Jethro Tull” was quoted as saying that in his entire world of music talents, that HE WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS NOT A DRUNK for some period. Clapton’s story is that when he was 12 or so he found a fifth of??. He drank it .and politely added “I puked my guts out”. Now this is the astonishing part. The next day he was right back at it and I believe from that point on was inebriated/ 24/7. When his boy died, he could not bring himself to go to the area. That was how certain subsets of rockers have existed at that high level. I wonder how the 70’s native American group “REDBONE” would have functioned with a fifth a day- THERE IS OFTEN A VERY GOOD REASON FOR STEREO TYPES! ” So I throw my hat in the ring to say except for certain foods common to all cultures, it may very well be harmful to say the Irish to drink red wine and fresh fruit with cream on it. One’s DNA should be the most valuable tool to make an educated guess on “why he/she feels good on soybean oil and allergic to Walnut fresh-pressed oil.
    Take it further and perhaps someday supplements may have eight different formulas versus the “standard Centrum Vitamin” I was a trader on the floor of a major stock exchange- so all of my peers really came down to being “hunch guessers”. If one did not have a bi=polar/OCD mindset he or she didn’t last too long. I think I am saying, I get a few facts , no citings, and go for the long shot. Give this thought a chance. I am writing a book on James, the Lord’s brother. James is always judging, “why are you so sluggish”!!! Well do you think the head guy in Jerusalem who was vegetarian ever went hungry, because it hit me like a brick when I read the severity of the Palestinian/Jerusalem Nasty famines of 44 and 50!!! Copyright. “James, have you ever read what happens to people’s “good deed’s” when one is starving?? CS Lewis..”Do not judge me as I am, judge me based on what I was. “I Have never ever read how the famine’s affected their ability to do good deeds. EVER. Which is why I throw in copyright. THE CROWD IS VIRTUALLY ALWAYS WRONG. The crowd watches 4-5 (20 hours) of NFL football, a week. I figure in 40 years we are looking at 80,000 hours. My point is we waste more time voluntarily, than a victim of a bad famine, whose DNA actually changes due to the lack of nutrients and their inability for action. Our country ACTS as though a famine has hit the entire USA, for let’s face it, there is no movement from the couch beside beer and snacks. So I ask an open question: ‘With this relentless season after season of year round TV sports, WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO TO BE IN THE RIGHT DIET,AT THE TOP OF OUR GAME, when we sit hours on end as if we have a bad case of fibro militia. Is it possible that we are morphing our DNA into a slant of being an “observer” rather than a doer driven for the need for food? Are we Gentiles, directly related to this one from the thumbs up/thumbs down gladiator Romans? One has “his team” . How many have thought it through, that “all things being equal ” there is a one in thirty chance of getting the super ball ring- perhaps 2-3 championships in an 80 year life. The more they expand the odds the more people want a team that has virtually nothing to do with them except the city, or a player that is GREAT! Lastly this extremely odd phenom that puts hundreds of powerful men that have done something called “groping” . Every one of those men is open to being BLACKMAILED by one of our many enemies. To think that the very wise General George Washington knew what a disease running through his camp could do (as he was heavily poxed from yellow fever in the French and Indian War), announced to his already suffering men at Valley Forge that if any soldier used anyplace OTHER THAN his designated latrines that soldier would be shot in the “military way” . We know that GW was no sadist but he could also understand that VF was his last stand before spring and was not going to allow a soldier to destroy those hopes going pee. For those that do not know, Apostle Paul was adamant that God’s Law was given “so that sin may increase, just as the word “no” or “not” drove Eve to bite. I think Paul’s knowledge of the depraved human heart was and is correct, and if I am not mistaken, there was one soldier sacrificed for the army. New parents can be masters of the clan if they rarely use the word NO, or NEVER to their eight years old. Rather use my dad’s “flipping” of that truth ad when Matthew is getting more than his share on the computer game and sis is counting every second. When the explosion begins, this cure is guaranteed. You move the game into a quiet room and say , “Don’t stop until I tell you to stop”.You see what happens in about ten minutes as you ask your wife to make lots of kitchen noise and start without him at dinner. . Perhaps those not exposed on TV have been in effect forced to (NOT sell-but rather GIVE) an enemy the highest classified information. JFK was a traitor having his women, and one, a beautiful pizone working for the mob. If JFK didn’t know he was threatening the world with a nuclear showdown than he was either ignorant or his Addison’s disease drove him insane with desire. Is morality subject to change in our DNA. Growing up my father would preach to me not the obvious which is never take a bribe- but rather, Never give the appearance that an enemy could surmise why that pretty mysterious 23 year old was seen flirting with YOU MY SON, assuming I was a person with the keys and the codes and the contracts of the University of Pennsylvania. That is, appearance is too much, by “our standards” RUN FROM THE APPEARANCE OF TEMPTATION!! ” How is it possible, unless there is an “older man club with lots of influence” , that is, their get togethers occur on that spooky Bill C and regale their GROPING successes that this 15-year-old boy activity would become the thing to do? Where did and why and how this phenom, spontaneously started 15 years ago. What does it have to do with DNA. Maybe if we forgot about “feeling good” it will come to us once the stress of going to jail for groping, being bribed etc STOPS. Are we all sick for the stress of getting caught for what we KNOW is wrong. The so called “bi polar” you got to read first hand tonight. I hope there was a thread through it, but I doubt it. This is for young men to consider . duff gordon bs econ, Wharton,77, MA Theology , Villanova, the only Protestant on campus.

  117. As a health and fitness enthusiast and lifetime student of same, I explore many theories and programs pertaining to health and fitness, including nutrition. If anyone thinks that the world of science, medicine, physical fitness, and nutrition are any different than religion and politics, then welcome to reality, because science, medicine, physical fitness, and nutrition, along with other disciplines and subjects, are all subject to errors, pet peeves, competition and monetary gain, egos, and the rest of the familiar things we typically assign primarily to religion, politics, and commerce in general. The reality is that no discipline or subject is exempt, and anyone doing due diligence in their researching, particularly if there are any signs of competition that could impact the bottom line (sale of books) and involves an intellectual pissing contest of sorts, it behooves one to take any critique with a whole lot of sodium (oops and oh my, a dietary sin!). Accordingly, in my un-humble, un-pedigreed, yet challenging and contrarian opinion, I question the objectivity of Dr. Michael Greger’s critique of Dr. Gundry’s attack on the nutritional value and/or risks of eating certain plants. It comes as no surprise that Dr. Greger would oppose Dr. Gundry’s position, since Dr. Greger seems to be a disciple of Al Gore’s money-making scheme of climate change and global warming, of which there is no scientific evidence that there is any appreciable contribution by mankind. Yet, they would have everyone believe that we must restrict our diet to plant life to save the planet, as Mr. Gore and others collect millions on the way to the bank. Making money is not a sin, but deliberately lying, intellectual dishonesty, deliberate ignorance, and perpetuating a fraud are not among the Eight Beatitudes, nor reliable sources of information in the pursuit of health and fitness or anything else, for that matter.

  118. I found the reactive, ridiculing tone of this video to be discrediting to its premise. Though I agree with the conclusions of the producer, I found the video so offensive, I turned it off at the half way point. Your points would carry much more weight were you to discuss this issue by calmly expressing the evidence that speaks for itself.

    1. Dr. G’s video is based on sound objective science. Facts are never outdated unless they are dispproven. The “old science” still stands because it has not been disproven. The links you provide are not science. If you can find peer-reviewed scientific studies that disprove the facts discussed in Dr. G’s video, I have no doubt that Dr. G would reevaluate his position and would remove the video. Don’t fall victim to “talking heads” with an agenda and no evidence. Read the scientific studies that Dr. G references and you’ll see the facts for yourself.

      Dr. Ben

      1. No it’s not disproven but the methods for studying COULD be flawed and I unfortunately can’t find the studies he references. I am simply providing other resources from other professionals in the space and they’re not just M.D.s as Dr. Greger ironically belittles. (I don’t think that was “sound objective science”) and the fact that he doesn’t label the video with something more along the lines of “Looking further into Lectins” rather than “Plant Paradox debunked” shows evidence of ego fueled content vs real “sound objective science.” I mean he didn’t even read the whole book. This video and post is misleading and if you don’t want to remove it that’s totally fine but I think it hurts Dr. Gregers credibility. And i say that as a full supporter and lover of nutrionfacts.org (I refer a lot of my clients here.) So please don’t get me wrong – I’m not trolling I’m just simply keeping others in mind and wouldn’t want anybody mislead

        1. It really appears that you’re getting caught up in the “talking head syndrome” in which “authorities” (who simply call themselves authorities) invent theories out of their heads and promote them as facts. For your own good health, please be objective like Dr. G and the rest of us on this site by doing the following for yourself:

          1) Carefully read the scientific studies referenced by Dr. G in his video so you can see the evidence for yourself.
          2) Carefully read the scientific studies referenced by the people in the links you’ve provided. If they do not provide any published scientific studies in major journals, then you’re not dealing with evidence, you’re dealing with people that are trying to promote some agenda of their own that is not based on any compelling objective evidence. Why would you choose to believe their “logic” over proven facts? This is what the “flat earth society” does and I’m sure you’re not a member.

          Dr. Ben

          1. It appears you’re getting a bit grandiose on me here. Everyone always has an agenda, excuse me, doesn’t Dr. G sell a book as well? But the big picture is Dr. Greger and Dr. Gundry are just informing people, educating people, getting people to look at food differently. They are giving people more knowledge and empowering them. It’s a great thing but there’s no need to pretend like he and you are actually going to think you debunked an entire book you didn’t read all of in a short video.

            I do keep a skeptical mind about things and I’m currently doing the research. I can’t say I’ve read through all the articles on nutritionfacts.org but I’ll continue to read and I can’t say I’ve read all of the Plant Paradox yet but I’ll continue to read. I do look into the articles referenced and I appreciate the reminder. Ill go ahead and provide you with an research article from a point made in Dr. Gundry’s book, but quite frankly, you and nutritionfacts.org should be doing your homework before you blast content out there irresponsibly. I am glad someone else said its more of a ‘Reactionary Piece’ because only a couple pages later is a point about fruit and fructose and glucose. Here’s a study http://m.jn.nutrition.org/content/139/6/1253S.long?view=long&pmid=19403706

            1. See, that’s the thing: Dr. G (and I) have reviewed the literature. Notice that I didn’t say we did “the research” because we didn’t. Real research is a slow, time consuming, expensive project that involves thousands of patients, institutional review boards, peer-review by experts in the field, painstaking statistical analysis, etc. We read and analyze. After doing so carefully, both pro and con, we have all come to the overwhelming unequivocal conclusion that is outlined in the video. Dr. G has no bias and no agenda. Neither do I. No wait, I DO have an agenda. I love seafood, so I wish I could find some rationale for eating it. There isn’t any, but I stick with the facts so I avoid it. This whole project of nutrionfacts.org is a charity devoted to truth. That’s right, the agenda is facts. If there was any real unbiased peer-reviewed research that supported the notion that lectins increase disease risk, Dr. G would be the first one to bring it to our attention. THERE ISN’T ANY!

              Again, if you can find any unbiased research that supports Dr. Gundry’s position, we’d all like to see it.

              Dr. Ben


              1. I think you missed something I said because I still think it’s not kosher for you to be calling the whole book “wrong” when it’s not solely about Lectins. (I made a reference to a point about glucose vs fructose and satiety and provided a research paper in my previous post)

                And again, I feel doing the research IS your job. But here you go. My hidden agenda is finding the truth no matter who it comes from, published research paper or not…I mean every fact started as an idea or theory right, found some initial evidence and continued to be studied. Every study has it’s limitations so just as your willing to pick apart the study that Dr. Gundry uses in his first citation, be willing to use that same critical eye for the studies you use to back your own points. Let’s not fall into the same