Dr. Gundry’s The Plant Paradox is Wrong

Dr. Gundry’s The Plant Paradox is Wrong
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A book purported to expose the “hidden dangers’ in healthy foods doesn’t even pass the whiff test.

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Earlier this year, I started getting emails about this book, The Plant Paradox, purporting to expose “The Hidden Dangers in “Healthy” Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain”—foods like beans, and whole grains, and tomatoes. Why? Because of lectins, which is a rehashing of the discredited Blood Type Diet from decades ago. They just keep coming back. Yeah, but this was written by an M.D., which, if you’ve seen my medical school videos, you’ll know is effectively an anti-credential when it comes to writing diet books—basically advertising to the world that you’ve received likely little or no formal training in nutrition. Dr. Atkins was, after all, a cardiologist. But look; you want to give the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that it doesn’t even seem to pass the sniff test.

I mean, if lectins are bad, then beans would be the worst, and so bean counters would presumably find that bean eaters cut their lives short, whereas the exact opposite may be true  with legumes (beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils)—found to be perhaps the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people in countries around the world. As Dan Buettner points out in his Blue Zones work, lectin-packed foods “are the cornerstones of” the diets of all the healthiest, longest-lived populations on the planet. Plant-based diets in general, and legumes in particular, are a common thread among longevity Blue Zones around the world—the most lectin-lush food there is. And, if lectins are bad, then whole grain-consumers should be riddled with disease—when, in fact, “whole grain intake is associated with a reduced risk of coronary heart disease,” the #1 killer of men and women; strokes, too; and total cancer; and mortality from all causes put together—meaning people who eat whole grains tend to live longer, and, get fewer “respiratory diseases, infectious diseases, diabetes, and all non-cardiovascular, non-cancer causes” to boot. And, not just in population studies. As I’ve shown, you can randomize people into whole-grain interventions, and prove cause-and-effect benefits. The same with tomatoes. You randomize women to a cup and a half of tomato juice or water every day, and all that nightshade tomato lectin reduces systemic inflammation, or has waist-slimming effects, reducing cholesterol as well as inflammatory mediators.

So, when people told me about this book, I was like, let me guess: he sells a line of lectin-blocking supplements. And, what do you know? “Assist your body in the fight against lectins” for only $79.95 a month—that’s only like a thousand bucks a year—a bargain for “pleasant bathroom visits.” And then, of course, there’s ten other supplements. So, for only like eight or nine thousand dollars a year, you can lick those lectins. Oh, did I not mention his skin care line? “Firm + Sculpt” for an extra 120—all so much more affordable when you subscribe to his “VIP Club.”

But, you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. People ask me all the time to comment on some new blog or book or YouTube video, and I have to sadly be like, look, there are a hundred thousand peer-reviewed scientific papers on nutrition published in the medical literature every year, and we can barely keep up with those.

But, people kept emailing me about this book, so I was like, fine, I’ll check out the first citation.  Chapter 1, citation 1: “forget everything you thought you knew was true.” Diet books love saying that. For example: “Eating shellfish and egg yolks dramatically reduces total cholesterol.” What?! Egg yolks reduce cholesterol? What is this citation? This is the paper he cites. And, here it is. By now, you know how these studies go. How do you show a food decreases cholesterol? You remove so much meat, cheese, and eggs that overall your saturated fat falls—in this case, about 50%. If you cut saturated fat in half, of course cholesterol levels are going to drop. So, they got a drop in cholesterol removing meat, cheese, and egg yolks. Yet, that’s the paper he uses to support his statement “egg yolks dramatically reduce cholesterol.”

I mean, that’s unbelievable. That’s the opposite of the truth. Add egg yolks to people’s diets, and  their cholesterol goes up. I mean, how dare he say this? And, it’s not like some, you know, harmless foolishness like saying the Earth is flat or something. Heart disease is the #1 killer of men and women—this can actually hurt people. So much for my benefit of the doubt.

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

Earlier this year, I started getting emails about this book, The Plant Paradox, purporting to expose “The Hidden Dangers in “Healthy” Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain”—foods like beans, and whole grains, and tomatoes. Why? Because of lectins, which is a rehashing of the discredited Blood Type Diet from decades ago. They just keep coming back. Yeah, but this was written by an M.D., which, if you’ve seen my medical school videos, you’ll know is effectively an anti-credential when it comes to writing diet books—basically advertising to the world that you’ve received likely little or no formal training in nutrition. Dr. Atkins was, after all, a cardiologist. But look; you want to give the benefit of the doubt. The problem is that it doesn’t even seem to pass the sniff test.

I mean, if lectins are bad, then beans would be the worst, and so bean counters would presumably find that bean eaters cut their lives short, whereas the exact opposite may be true  with legumes (beans, split peas, chickpeas, and lentils)—found to be perhaps the most important dietary predictor of survival in older people in countries around the world. As Dan Buettner points out in his Blue Zones work, lectin-packed foods “are the cornerstones of” the diets of all the healthiest, longest-lived populations on the planet. Plant-based diets in general, and legumes in particular, are a common thread among longevity Blue Zones around the world—the most lectin-lush food there is. And, if lectins are bad, then whole grain-consumers should be riddled with disease—when, in fact, “whole grain intake is associated with a reduced risk of coronary heart disease,” the #1 killer of men and women; strokes, too; and total cancer; and mortality from all causes put together—meaning people who eat whole grains tend to live longer, and, get fewer “respiratory diseases, infectious diseases, diabetes, and all non-cardiovascular, non-cancer causes” to boot. And, not just in population studies. As I’ve shown, you can randomize people into whole-grain interventions, and prove cause-and-effect benefits. The same with tomatoes. You randomize women to a cup and a half of tomato juice or water every day, and all that nightshade tomato lectin reduces systemic inflammation, or has waist-slimming effects, reducing cholesterol as well as inflammatory mediators.

So, when people told me about this book, I was like, let me guess: he sells a line of lectin-blocking supplements. And, what do you know? “Assist your body in the fight against lectins” for only $79.95 a month—that’s only like a thousand bucks a year—a bargain for “pleasant bathroom visits.” And then, of course, there’s ten other supplements. So, for only like eight or nine thousand dollars a year, you can lick those lectins. Oh, did I not mention his skin care line? “Firm + Sculpt” for an extra 120—all so much more affordable when you subscribe to his “VIP Club.”

But, you still want to give him the benefit of the doubt. People ask me all the time to comment on some new blog or book or YouTube video, and I have to sadly be like, look, there are a hundred thousand peer-reviewed scientific papers on nutrition published in the medical literature every year, and we can barely keep up with those.

But, people kept emailing me about this book, so I was like, fine, I’ll check out the first citation.  Chapter 1, citation 1: “forget everything you thought you knew was true.” Diet books love saying that. For example: “Eating shellfish and egg yolks dramatically reduces total cholesterol.” What?! Egg yolks reduce cholesterol? What is this citation? This is the paper he cites. And, here it is. By now, you know how these studies go. How do you show a food decreases cholesterol? You remove so much meat, cheese, and eggs that overall your saturated fat falls—in this case, about 50%. If you cut saturated fat in half, of course cholesterol levels are going to drop. So, they got a drop in cholesterol removing meat, cheese, and egg yolks. Yet, that’s the paper he uses to support his statement “egg yolks dramatically reduce cholesterol.”

I mean, that’s unbelievable. That’s the opposite of the truth. Add egg yolks to people’s diets, and  their cholesterol goes up. I mean, how dare he say this? And, it’s not like some, you know, harmless foolishness like saying the Earth is flat or something. Heart disease is the #1 killer of men and women—this can actually hurt people. So much for my benefit of the doubt.

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Doctor's Note

This is an unusual video for me. Normally, I try to stay out of the “diet wars,” and just stick to bringing you the latest science. There are roughly 100,000 papers published on nutrition in the peer-reviewed medical literature every year. We have a hard enough time just trying not to fall too far behind with that. Let me know what you think. Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?

You’ll note I never really addressed Dr. Gundry’s thesis about lectins. That’s what the next two videos are about—stay tuned:

Here are links to the videos I alluded to in the video, if you want to learn more:

What else can tomatoes do? See Inhibiting Platelet Activation with Tomato Seeds.

One of the key reasons why whole grains may be so beneficial is their effect on our good bacteria. See, for example, Gut Microbiome – Strike it Rich with Whole Grains and Microbiome: We Are What They Eat.

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    1. hi Aaron Maher, I responded to your question last week by referrencing a page from Dr McDougall’s news letter speaking about diet and autoimmune/inflammatory conditions. One of the success stories I do remember is by a fellow who did suffer from ankylosing spondylitis but by following a whole food plant based (indeed starch-based!) diet , he is free of symptoms https://www.drmcdougall.com/health/education/health-science/stars/stars-video/mark-jones/ He is one of many who has seen the return to health from crippling arthritic conditions . There is nothing more anti inflammatory than a plant based diet. Be sure to watch his update as well. All the best to you!




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      1. Thank you for this post. I’ve been following a whole food plant based diet most of my adult life. Many years ago, following Macrobiotic guidelines, I was told not to eat nightshades because they cause inflammation. Do you know if that is in fact not true? I’d love to put them back in my life :)
        Thanks!




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        1. Hi Barbara,
          I’m a clinical nutritionist and professor of nutrition at Chapman University. Nightshade vegetables may increase pain and inflammation in a subset of people suffering from various forms of arthritis, but not for most people. If you did not get pain relief from avoiding night shades, you can safely add them back to your diet without worry. They are very nutritious foods!




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          1. Thank you Denise. It’s been so long since I’ve eaten nightshades I don’t have “data”…..I’ll re-introduce them and see if there’s a difference. Thanks so much for your help!




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        1. hi Barbara, you might find this page interesting. I posted it in a comment below also http://doctorklaper.com/answers/answers07 In the list of causes for arthritis/auto immune conditions, Dr Klaper says that nightshades are often not the prominent cause. In my own case, I find some types of tomatoe products are intolerable, but everything else is fine. Have a look a see if this might be helpful.

          As an aside, awesome video Dr Greger .. thoroughly enjoyed the whole presentation, thank you!




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      2. I can attest to the anti-inflammatory effect of plant based diets. I was able to stop taking my expensive arthritis medicine after switching to entirely plant based. The only side effects were losing excess weight and curing my diabetes.




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          1. As one of Dr G’s patients, I know first hand that this information in P. P. Is true. Blood work proves it. He does not sell his products in his office. He will tell you which Vitamins to buy st the store instead.
            I have watched others with major health issues get off their medications and seen their diseases disappear. These people, including myself, feel better than they have in years. I will stay on this life saving way of living for life. I encourage anyone with health problems to read the book for themselves and try it. The proof will be in their results (without Dr Gundry’s supplements) if they follow the program without cheating. Good luck to you all.




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    2. One thing you could consider doing with your doctor would be to arrange to have you serum inflammation levels checked on your usual diet. Then eat high starch (like a McDougall style diet) for a week and have it retested to see if it went up or down. You could then do a week on a low starch diet and test again and see how the inflammation markers have moved. Then you would know how such a diet affects you specifically and you wouldn’t have to wonder about it.

      Good luck and best of health to you.
      Mark G




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    3. Hi Aaron,
      First thanks to Dr. Greger and team for putting together this video. I now have a place to refer folks who ask me about this latest “diet”. Having practiced for over 40 years I am always amazed at the “creativity” of the next “nutritional” approach. The good news is that legitimate science over the last 40 years has given us the basis to make sound recommendations.

      In my experience the issue of inflammation and autoimmune “diets” is not as straight forward as treating type two diabetes and hypertension. As a Family Medicine physician who has had the rare privilege of learning from and working with John McDougall MD and his staff while seeing patients at his clinic over the last 6 years I have had to answer many questions relating to autoimmune “diets”. I have also had the opportunity to meet and be influenced by the staff at TrueNorth Health Center also in Santa Rosa CA.

      I have come to realize that each person is “an experiment of one”. That said there are some general approaches which can help each person figure out what they need to do to be healthy. I advise all my patients to go on a whole plant diet without oils. They need to make sure they get adequate Vitamin B-12. Iodine is usually adequate in foods and/or due to the iodization of most salt. Folks following a salt free diet may need supplementation. Vitamin D is best obtained by adequate sunlight exposure but the need to take supplementation may need to be considered… see Dr. Greger’s video’s on these issues. If after following a whole food plant diet folks with autoimmune disorders… and there are well over 100 including Ankylosing Spondylitis… may need to take some additional steps… first if consuming packaged foods you have to make sure there are no animal products added. Label reading is a challenge that doesn’t need to be mastered if you consume foods without labels. It can take folks “systems” months to adjust to a whole plant diet from the more common “standard american diet”. This approach leads to improvement and resolution in many individuals. I also generally advise patients to avoid chemicals by supporting organic when they can. This also avoids the consumption of GMO products based on “the precautionary principle”. However, some individuals will have trouble with certain plant products and need to eliminate them as well. Whether you label this “allergy” or “intolerance” the proof is in the improvement with eliminating them from your diet. Testing can be helpful but isn’t always necessary. Skin, blood and stool testing can be helpful but a plant can cause problem if the testing is negative and may not be a problem if the testing is positive. There are many elimination diets out there. Dr. McDougall’s December 2002 newsletter article, Diet for the Desperate, gives some good information. In persons with one chronic disease eating correctly will help avoid other chronic diseases thus decreasing the likelihood of disability in later life. In my clinical experience starches such as sweet potatoes, rice and potatoes are not usually a problem but certain whole plant foods that contain starches such as wheat and soy can be. Good luck as you work with your clinicians to figure it out. It can be a challenge. Stay tuned to NF.org as the science keeps coming.




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    4. One big difference between chimpanzees and humans is the amount of amylase in the saliva. Amylases are enzymes produced in the salivary glands and pancreas to initiate the breakdown of starches. Humans produce more amylases than chimpanzees because our diet has evolved to eat more starches than fruits.

      A whole-food, plant-based diet ignoring starches is problematic. Dr John McDougall has a lot of information on this subject.




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      1. ron,

        since you can’t skip the video, you can just play it or stop it, it would be best if you just told us what’s he saying.

        Thanks,

        Moderator Adam P.




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  1. IT IS very important for those new to Nutrition Facts and Dr. Greger to note that you should NOT be overly influenced by any one commenter in these comment sections, especially when their comments are contrary to the years of videos collected here, and they offer nothing but links to largely disproven articles and videos produced by others (with other motivations in some cases). In some cases they may not have even read How Not to Die, yet.

    Please make a note of it.




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    1. Thanks for reminding me Joe Caner. This page is well worth reading – it’s information on causes and a diet protocol (Paddison Program) that is essentially an elimination diet that starts off low starch (though I chose to eat sweet potatoes and did well ) http://doctorklaper.com/answers/answers07 . The diet description is also given, with suggestions for reintroducing foods over time. Here is an introductory video of Clint Paddison for anyone interested https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0pOZ5oCOmNw




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  2. If this is your first video, or first week of Nutrition Facts exposure, please do read the doctor’s notes and note all the supporting/relevant videos he lists there. Also note that the archive is fully searchable and that all sources are listed for YOU to be able to read the reports yourself and answer many of your other questions.

    There is no prohibition against discussion of dissenting ideas and positions but please realize that this site is about the nutrition facts as found by the latest research, and OFTEN these things will be somewhat different from mainstream and popular belief and thoughts. Also that facts are subject to change depending upon findings, and that nutritional research is a difficult task for many reasons.

    Most common questions and conflicts on very many subjects have been previously addressed and can be found, along with the supporting studies and discussion if one will simply take a few minutes to look for them.

    We are glad to have you here with open mind and ready palate. WFPB works for so many of us, and works well! We hope to support your transition and create a tide of change. Thanks for stopping in.




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    1. Unfortunately I’ll bet that a year’s worth of “Dr. G” type videos could be made debunking current-selling diet/nutrition/health books without any shortage of material.

      And there’s an idea for someone with time and few dollars to explore…




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        1. It is sad because it confuses people. And I have been asked “well is he a quack?” And I say yes people get so mad. After all he is an MD! I live in Los Angeles and my patients see him. What a mess.




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          1. Absolutely. It’s so bothersome to listen to Dr. Gundry with such strong credentials make statements that seem believable. I can only think he is using them sell his books and products.




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  3. I’ve decided I’m going to write a book: The World is Really Flat – How Scientists Are Still Getting it Wrong. I’m thinking it will become a New York Times Bestseller within a year.

    (I’m certain Ryan will make an exception for me, because my scientific credentials are impeccable: I’m a realtor who specializes in oceanfront properties in Arizona.)




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  4. A big topic in Dr. Gundry’s book is the connection between lectins and autoimmunity which you completely skipped over, maybe in the next video? I understand it’s hard to take someone seriously when they cite BS like the study you pointed out, but please address the autoimmune/food sensitivity connection. I DO react to high lectin foods. I was eating all foods including grains and beans until ten years ago when I took a prescription medication called Accutane that presumably damaged or changed something within my gut/immune system. My food intolerance started with wheat and over time included beans, grains, eggs, dairy, potatoes and many other foods with minor reactions are suspected. If I want to function without joint pain and fatigue I eat lots of fruit, greens and sweet potatoes but I am afraid I will become sensitive to these as well. Maybe high lectin foods don’t cause autoimmunity, but perhaps once someone is in a autoimmune state lectins provoke the issue.

    Dr. Gundry promotes a plant based diet in his book and includes vegan meal plans. Unfortunately even after pressure cooking the beans to supposedly remove lectins, I still react to them just not as bad.




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    1. Lee, in the Doctor’s Note above Dr. G states:

      “You’ll note I never really addressed Dr. Gundry’s thesis about lectins. That’s what the next two videos are about—stay tuned:

      How to Avoid Lectin Poisoning
      Are Lectins in Food Good or Bad for You?”

      So please stay tuned.




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    2. Lee I became vegan in 1987. I feed myself, make my own meals, and do not consume vegan fast foods/prepackaged meals.
      I am not an expert here but I wonder if a probiotic or digestive enzyme supplement would help you.
      Just my 2 cents but I find the best way to process beans is to soak them for 24 (or 48 )hours, then throw away the soak water and cook with them.
      You will remove most of the phytic acid, lots of the gassy issues this way. and less time is spent cooking.
      You can also sprout them for 2 days more and increase the nutrition. Lentils are smaller so I soak them overnight, then put them in a colander
      rinse them 2x daily and sprout them for 2 days (and i eat these raw). I also believe that all nuts, seeds, and grains should be soaked and then the
      soak water removed before consuming. I soak brown rice for 8 hours but quinoa in 3 hours unless you choose to sprout it also. Soaking makes the
      grains much quicker to cook. namaste’, rachel




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      1. 24-48 hours soaking seems like excessive. After only overnight soaking, high protein beans start to release white bubble with foul smell. Unchanged 48 straight soaking instills the foul odor in beans in my case and isn’t removed with numerous rinses. I find soaking overnight, rinsing and letting it sprout before cooking is the best method with beans.




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  5. Dr. Greger, you are a true, passionate nutrition scientist and lifestyle physician. Thank you. I would like to know how a Dr. Gundry, a person with a medical license is allowed to publish quackery? I appreciate the facts you have exposed concerning Dr. Gundry’s blatent misinformation, and you should expose nutritional quackery as loud as you can for the protection of millions who buy Dr. Gundry’s criminal claims, along with his expensive bottles of snake oils. Sometimes, Dr. Greger, you gotta jump up and down, yell like hell, and expose the rotten apples. Dr. Gundry, based on his own first citation, is a nutrition charleton. As far as the rest of his practice, God help his poor patients. Again, I relish your zeal Dr. Greger. Thank you and all your associates for keeping us truthfully educated about all things nutritional!




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    1. Sadly, the world we live in does not take people to task… or in some cases, just does not dwell on a person who intentionally mispeaks and we move on to something else.

      During simpler times when we were more connected by newspapers, radio, 3 network TV, we could act as one to denounce such blatant disregard for the truth. Nowadays, truth equates to what you want to believe. If you like someone who says the earth is flat, then for you anyway, the earth is flat.

      I had coffee with a friend yesterday who was unaware of the Equifax data hack and their (Equifax’s) seeming unconcern for those affected.

      I thought, “That’s great, he has been pretty much disconnected from the news cycle.” But on the other hand, this is one of those stories that dominates all the news cycles and is one of those cohesive news stories that affect almost everyone, so we don’t want to miss those.

      I guess that what I’m trying to say is there is little or no accountability anymore. But like someone suggested, we should take Equifax to small claims court. If enough people did that Equifax would take this a lot more seriously and would probably be put out of business… a fitting result.

      And wouldn’t it be nice if there were some sort of financial penalty on those who (probably) cite falsely as Dr Greger has demonstrated in this video?

      There has to be a penalty for these types of behaviour… simply calling them out… even shaming them, just doesn’t work.




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        1. True, a majority of people can be easily fooled by professional credentials, and references citing published data, none of which the casual reader will ever read themselves. Education is a long, long road. I’ve been studying nutrition since the 1990’s, starting with Jean Carper’s books. Over the years I’ve read (and marked up) at least 20, and skimmed another 30 or so. It’s taken me a long time to come up with my own decision as to what is “right” and what is “wrong”. A newbie can easily be fooled




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  6. I fell like this all the time with my non-medics friends and often even with medics.
    Dramatically lot of people have to deal with confusing information that go from different directions and they don’t really have any idea of how to find out what is true and what is false.
    Sometines they have, but this inertion thing coming up “if this is tru, then why nobody tells about this?” and they left at harming lifestyle.




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  7. Thank you for this video on lectins. I look forward to the following ones. I read Dr. Gundry’s book, and was troubled by cognitive dissonance between what he found and most of the other dietary advice I’ve encountered.

    One compelling point that Dr. Gundry made still troubles me. Virtually all cultures in which rice is a staple use white rice. Dr. Gundry says it’s because of the lectins in the hull. If we discount that and ask why the white rice, a facile answer is that these cultures use white rice just because it tastes better. I have more faith in the wisdom of traditional cultures than to accept that a major fraction of the world’s population has, for eons, chosen the less healthy alternative. What is the reason that virtually all dietary traditions prefer white over whole rice?




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    1. What is the reason that virtually all dietary traditions prefer white over whole rice?

      As a writer, if I were writing a script of this story to be made into a movie I would start by identifying a Triad of powerful interests who recognized that the earth would eventually be over-populated unless something was done at the early stage of the population growth. Thus, they refined rice and sugar to the point where they turned us into dying blobs of addicts.

      Imagine where we would be population-wise if these far sighted entities had not acted when they did. ‘-)




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      1. I think I read somewhere that the preference for white over brown rice was a status or class thing in some countries. Only the upper classes could afford to pay the extra cost for “refined” rice, so it became a status symbol to be able to consume same.




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    2. White rice can be stored for long — very long — periods of time, and with no refrigeration. That’s because all the oils are removed, oils that can otherwise go rancid. Once people discovered this huge advantage, they switched to white rice. Only recently have we realized the nutritional cost.




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        1. I think you should listen to yourself; “Gundry may be right because the world likes white rice” ?!
          Get a grip.
          Gundry’s attraction is his surgical credentials and possible Adventist (usually ethical) associations. Remove these(i.e. look at claims and proofs only) and you are left with a cheap fraud.




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    3. I think the answer is that they don’t. The modern cultures do, the traditional cultures didn’t. Gundry’s claim is misleading.

      Traditionally, all those cultures ate brown rice. It is only in the last three or four hundred years that milled white rice has become available to common people. It is no surprise that Berberi only became a widespread problem when white rice consumption became common.

      I suspect modern Asian cultures eat it because brown rice was traditionally eaten by poor people and white rice was rare, expensive and available only to the wealthy. Apart from being associated with poverty, brown rice also takes longer to cook and therefore increases fuel costs.

      As an aside, my father grew up in the Depression and would only ever eat white bread …. because only the desperately poor ate brown bread at that time.




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      1. Thank you, Tom. It’s usually hard to know reasons for traditional customs, and imposing our logic on it doesn’t help. As with the case of your father, English peasants ate white bread whenever they could, and as the Irish were too poor to afford that they could only eat potatoes, and therefore were healthier.




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  8. YES!! Please be much more reactive. These misleading and dangerous books enter the paleo echo chamber, casting doubt on hard science. Plantpositive.org has done an amazing and meticulous job of addressing these canards point-by-point, study-by-study. Its worth listening to the many hours of videos he’s generated, more than once. Dr. Greger should do the same and not feel he has to take some imagined self-imposed “high road” when lives are at stake. These false dichotomies have to be vigorously nipped at the bud. Take off the gloves Dr. Greger!




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    1. I agree, Paul. I especially would like a review of the Cruise Control Diet with Dr. Ward. This book indicates that faucet water will make you gain weight and red apples and fruit (except for berries and green apples) are terrible for you, but eggs are great. This sounds shady to me.




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    2. Respectfully, I must disagree. Staging media battles never benefited political discourse in this country, and it is unlikely to promote public understanding of nutrition.

      All research and evaluation takes time for careful consideration, not a talent for invective and turns-of-phrase, however entertaining. Put differently, truth is not a consumer commodity like public relations, to be produced, packaged and pushed on the public

      Yet having the truth about nutrition facts is a literal matter of life and death, and a no flotilla of websites and media mastery can deny science. Leave the media battles for entertainment, and concentrate on the research.




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      1. i think you are forgetting about someone here-choosing not to consume the flesh, milk or eggs of exploited, tortured and brutally murdered farmed animals is also a matter of life or death for both human animals, their non-human victims and the environment upon which all life depends.

        as Dr. Greger himself said “The most ethical diet just so happens to be the most environmentally sound diet and just so happens to be the healthiest”




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      2. I don’t believe I ever implied the need to stage “media battles”. Research is critical but if the fruits of that research is ignored, what good is it? I suggest you take a look at the book “Merchants of Doubt” to see how a wealth of research can be rendered utterly useless by people such as Grundy. Do you really deny the power of the multi-billion dollar advertising industry? If you want a perfect example how standing up to these purveyors of false propaganda can be dealt with directly and forcefully with a solid research-based approach, you should take the time to experience the Plantpositive.org website. I believe you will be impressed with how one can use research to directly confront the people promoting this vast campaign of disinformation. Its almost arrogant to just say, well, we’ve done the research and it should just sell itself. No, the forces against what Dr. Greger and others are presenting on nutrition are so powerful that we can’t afford to take your complacent approach.




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      3. alpaaoo10: I absolutely agree that research, the kind Greger, Campbell, McDougall and other promote are essential. The truth always shines through. I do believe it is our responsibility to promote these truths wherever and wherever we are confronted with the lies promoted by the processed food and animal industries, in addition to their henchmen in the medical industry and politics. Check out my comments on an article on cancer drugs in the NY Times as an example of what I believe those in the WFPB movement should be doing in the media:https://mobile.nytimes.com/comments/2017/09/11/health/cancer-drug-costs.html

        I’d like to hear your thoughts!




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  9. I spent so many years buying into garbage like Gundry’s. I’m just happy that I found this site and read Dr. Greger’s book before it was too late. I’m still recovering from plenty of gut damage from keto, but I’m getting there.




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    1. I’m still recovering from plenty of gut damage from keto, but I’m getting there.

      Jack, I was unaware of any potential gut damage from eating keto.

      I was just reading this article on ketogenics earlier this morning and saw no reference to that possibility. If you have a handy reference you could share, it would be most appreciated. I’m interested because I am on a loosely followed MCT Ketogenic diet and would like to know more of the danger you infer.

      Thanks in advance.




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    2. Just curious– what was your point of concrete doubt about Gundry? The damage you sensed (tested to confirm?), or something else– a reading, or other study?




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  10. Frankly, I haven’t felt the need to waste my time reading Gundry’s stuff. Thought as soon as I saw what he’s selling, that he’s a charleton. There will always be some people who react badly to almost any food. But people in many cultures have been eating beans for centuries, and thriving on them. Certainly healthier than hamburger!
    Sad that so many MD’s these days have no integrity.
    Thank you Dr. Gregor for your integrity, and for doing this video.




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    1. Mercola and Gundry are money grubers and are not concerned with the scientific evidence that Dr. Greger has gathered together in order to improve the health of everyone. Dr. Greger does not sell supplements.




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  11. Hi Dr Greger,

    I am troubled by few things you said in this video.
    I teach nutrition in medical school and I researched egg yolk relation to cholesterol and majority of studies show that eating 6 eggs a week does not raise cholesterol and consensus is that fats and worst being saturated and transfats raise cholesterol, but cholesterol does not raise cholesterol. Cholesterol synthesis also increases if people are insulin resistant and eat too many calories, a scenario where cholesterol and triglycerides increase.
    As for lectins, I am looking forward to your next videos. There are people who truly cannot eat beans. I come from Lebanon and my mother who had IBS like many in my country, would remove all seeds from tomatoes ( where lectin are) before eating them. In my country too, no one eats raw nuts ( high lectins) unless you soak them in water for a long time or unless you roast them ( 2 processes that remove lectins) . Also beans and lentils were really cooked until very tender ( which helps remove lectins) , something I do not see done in USA.
    So the issue may be to look back at traditional ways of cooking high lectin foods and learn from them.




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    1. Maybe since you teach nutrition in med school, you can communicate the overwhelming evidence that inflammation is the current paradigm that explains most chronic diseases? Forget cholesterol for a minute; think about the other ways eggs are pro-inflammatory: their oxysterol content, advanced glycation end products, and arachidonic acid. BTW, good luck teaching an audience of individuals whose paradigm for treating disease is working for enriching the coffers of whichever drug companies tell the most convincing lies.




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      1. Yes eggs could be inflammatory in other ways, but to say that they increase cholesterol is contrary to current evidence

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        1. Raja Jaber, I think the “current evidence” you mentioned might be that which was funded by the American Egg Board & have since been debunked.




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          1. No Nancy..
            There are several studies showing eggs do not raise cholesterol level

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    2. Watch this video again for the direct interventional evidence of eggs raising cholesterol. What more do you need? Interventional tests are the gold-standard of thescientific method.




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      1. I only eat responsibly produced eggs, cage free, roaming free..

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        1. Why don’t you at least go to the link ahimsa42 recommended. You are fooling yourself if you believe you are eating “responsibly”. For instance, the egg industry summarily gases, or grinds up millions of male chicks each year since they are seen as useless to the industry. “Cage-free” is a euphemism. But if you want to protect your conscience, which you clearly have, ignore this information.




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  12. Dr Greger- Thanks for your work and I agree with you most of the time.I am a whole food vegan (98%) person and physician. I had 3 chronic patients where the low lectin diet (including pressure cooked beans) made significant changes when nothing else did (including whole food vegan diets). One had asbergers, one chronic back pain and one chronic sinus issues. All resolved on a low lectin diet.. I have also had dozens of people who resolved chronic issues going off nightshades, gluten, etc. I think to make universal generalizations based on reading studies can miss the point sometimes. People are different and there are subsets of people who can get better with specific interventions that don’t necessarily fit our paradigms. I do think Dr Gundrys supplements are overpriced but I know patients of his and he doesn’t push his brand at all to his patients. Those of us who treat chronically ill patients especially with autoimmune issues and do not prescribe pharmaceuticals and get patients flying in from all over the country – see results with various protocols. Alot of our impressions are a result of the feedback we get from the patients. I was able to avoid hip surgery by avoiding nightshades for instance. You do great work but please do not get sarcastic about some other protocols that may be very valuable for some people unless you have tried them on patients who have not responded to other natural interventions.




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    1. Hello I am a physician too and am interested in story of cooking beans to decrease lectins, so long cooking is key? with or without pressure cooker?.




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    2. Asbergers?

      That curious faux pas aside, I agree that we aren’t all from the same cookie cutter.

      Like nightshades… Tom Brady doesn’t eat tomatoes because he claims they cause inflammation… and look what happened to him last Thursday night.

      Not sayin’ the lack of tomatoes caused him to lose… not sayin’ it didn’t either. ‘-)




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      1. @Miles Davis–
        At a glance, I could understand how Michael might consider sarcasm to be egregious and offensive, particularly when a party is innocent of wrongdoing.

        But industry is anything but innocent. And like you, I find Dr. Greger’s gentle sarcasm well-placed, and entirely in context. At best, sarcasm serves to make the point in a way few other expressions can.

        If only industry understood the terrible reputation it has with consumers– many of whom suffer health damage as a direct result of unhealthy products for which they have paid entirely too dearly– industry would consider sarcasm a small price to pay as they rushed to clean up their act.

        And Dr. Greger’s sarcasm would be heard no more.

        But we need not worry, at least about sensitive feelings and emotional injury on an industrial scale. Since industry public relations harbors some of the most cynical, hardened, serial offenders in the realm of public trust, they clearly are the least offended by Dr. Greger’s exposés. In fact, they probably enjoy them.




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  13. Please Dr. Greger stick to reporting on the science you find. Their are so many of these charlatans promoting their ridiculous ideas that you would be completely wasting your most valuable time. Anthony




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    1. Its not a waste of time at all. These “entrepreneurs” are reaching hundreds of thousands of people. If Greger doesn’t call them out, who will?




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  14. Grains like ground whole barley eaten as baked loaves constituted about 65% of the food calories in Bible times. Vegan pulse or lentil stews were eaten by the 4 Jewish boys in the Babylonian captivity which proved healthier within 10 days compared the royal meat and wine diet in a controlled study in Daniel 1. And the Jews ate kosher food of fish, onions, leeks, garlic, etc for 300 y during the Egyptian captivity rather the Egyptian diet to avoid the ” diseases of Egypt”. Q.E.D….What’s good for God’s chosen people is good for gentiles also.




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  15. Yes please publish more of these reactive style videos to the “diet books of the month”. I remember when this guy showed up on the Dr Oz show even Oz seemed confused by how it didn’t seem valid




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  16. I skimmed through Dr. Gundry’s book a month ago and decided it was bunk. Glad to see Dr. Greger agrees. I believe his motivation is to make money through the sale of his unnecessary products. This is surprising to me as he apparently has great credentials as a cardiologist and claims he has patents in the field of cardiac surgery. Quoting from Wikipedia: ” Steven R. Gundry is an American cardiac surgeon and held the Chief of Cardiothoracic Surgery title while he was a Professor at the Loma Linda University School of Medicine.[1] He has patented nine cardiac surgery devices[2] and authored numerous papers in the field”. Why would a person with these credentials risk his reputation on the shoddy work he did with this book? Did he even read the citations he gives to back up his erroneous conclusions? He needs to be called out for spreading misinformation as it can be damaging to people’s health. One would think his work at Loma Linda would have exposed him to better diet information.




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  17. Up until reading about the gross misinformation and outright lies featured in this book, I thought there was no possible justification for terrorist actions. But what can you say about a guy who CERTAINLY can generate an income of $150 K per year or more practicing medicine, who chooses to mislead people and endanger their lives to make even MORE $? I’d like to see a group of faux ‘terrorist vegans’ bombard this guy with rotten fruits and vegetables every time he steps out in public. And, maybe book burning shouldn’t be considered such a bad thing, in certain cases? Whatever happened to, “First do no harm?” Is this idiot using his right to free speech only to fill up his bank account? Grrrrr!!!!




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  18. I have a family member who always has some new site, or herb, or cure to recommend .. I always ask .. what are they selling? almost always they have the “cure” … I send links and recommend this site ..but as they say ..you can lead a horse to water ….. and that’s why I always come to this site .. for the honest facts!




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  19. Re Dr. Greger’s query at the end of his video on the Gundry book:
    “Let me know what you think. Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?”

    Debunking quacks appears to encourage commentary from the wingnutariat…




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  20. I am so glad I saw your video on Dr. Gundry. I had recently seen his video and was fully taken with it until I got to the end and found all that he had to sell. Fortunately it was all too expensive for me and I also realized I appreciate scientists who purposely say they do not sell anything. Without your video I would have kept Dr Gundry’s name on my radar. Thank you so much. Gillian Devane.




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    1. Barbara,

      I am not aware of any study like that. Quite the opposite, whole food plant based diet is associated with decreased inflammation:

      https://nutritionfacts.org/video/anti-inflammatory-diet-for-depression/

      “The most anti-inflammatory diet is a plant-based diet, which can cut C-reactive protein levels by 30% within two weeks, perhaps because of the anti-inflammatory properties of antioxidants.”

      Hope this helps,

      Moderator Adam P.




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      1. Thanks Adam-I followed a macrobiotic diet for 15 years. Grains and veggies but no nightshades, because they’re inflammatory according to macro thought. I guess I can presume they’re “safe” now….




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  21. I just finished watching Dr. Gundry’s interview with Dr. Mercola. He said that North American vegetables like tomatoes and potatoes were not eaten by our European and African ancestors, but were Native American so different from us. I’d rather you do more of these reactive-type videos obviously without personal attacks because they are spreading misinformation. Another USDA debate like the one in 2000 with Dr. Atkins, Dean Ornish, and John McDougall would be awesome.




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  22. Thanks so much for this video! I really appreciate hearing your opinion on this kind of material. Now I’m armed and can confidently argue with anyone who wants to defend this book.
    More please!




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  23. Honestly, I was put off when Dr. Gundry writes, in the intro to his book, that he was 70 lbs overweight despite being in the gym 6 days a week (if my memory serves), running 30 miles a week and eating a heart healthy diet that included low-fat dairy and whole grains.

    No way. You don’t get 70 lbs overweight doing that amount of exercise and eating a “heart healthy diet.” “Heart healthy” also implies calorie-appropriate.

    That said, there may be pearls in this book and we should not discount it totally and out of hand.




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    1. Kathleen, in my opinion this isn’t merely a question of ‘throwing the baby out with the bath water,’ so to speak. It’s bad science from the get-go. Plain & simple. If he starts out with such an egregious lie in very beginning, then I have no reason to believe the rest of it. Why waste my time.




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  24. I think that the video is cherry picking on some negatives while failed to discuss the main book topic. I his two weeks meal plan there is only one breakfast smoothie that uses dr Gundry’s supplements. Even in this recipe he suggested replacements. It is obvious that dr Greger did not review the meal plan before attacking dr Gundry for trying to sell supplements.
    As about eggs, dr Greger should start picking appart all the proponents of the ketogenic diet staring with dr Mercola’s Fat for Fuel.
    On the other hand I was following dr Greger’s whole plant base diet ad literam, yet I always had lots of gas which was intensified by the consumption of beans. I am a month into dr Gundry’s meal plan and no gas at all. I am following the vegetarian version of the plan.
    Overall I think the video is rather full of cheap shots instead of an scientific argument.




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    1. Adrian, the gas is temporary. Once you develop the right intestinal flora, it diminishes significantly. It’s a shame you didn’t stick with it.




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    2. Thank you for your comments Adrian. I read the book “Plant Paradox” and I agree that Dr. Greger’s review is not balanced.

      I’m already a Dr. Greger style vegetarian (mostly vegan).

      I am going to try the vegetarian version of Dr. Gundry’s Plant Paradox plan and see what happens – I anticipate my health will improve.




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    1. Unfortunately people who are suckered in by these quacks only respond to direct refutations of their specific claims. There is a term “truthiness” that these authors instill in their books that need direct and specific refutation. I can’t count the number of times people have fallen for the book “Wheatbelly” and its very helpful for me to say, read this critique of the book.




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    2. Yeah, I’d concede he can’t comment on every bogus diet book, if he were just a minor annoyance, but he sucked in loads of ignorant people and will profit mightily! Kudos Dr G, I appreciate you unmasking this charlatan and hope you do take on other big deceivers because they hurt innocent, unsuspecting believers who are grasping for straws.




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  25. Just stick to the facts please, even though the reactive video is full of them. The fact that you just present the meta-analyses is what makes this site so perfect. There are enough reactive videos/comments on the internet and in the world.




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  26. OMG! what an ethically compromised individual this doctor is! Shame on him for putting the public as risk for harm with that distortion of the research! On behalf of health care providers around the world, I apologize to the public for the fact that we have individuals like this in the service of public health.

    I am just sooooo grateful for Dr. Greger. He and his team are non-profit, they comb the research and present the best of the evidence available and then we get to choose how we choose to live.

    A proud monthly supporter of Nutritionfacts.org




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  27. Hi Dr Greger

    As per usual you have to eat what works for you. I’ve spent many years eliminating and bringing foods back in to see which whats react with me. My list is as follows: gluten, dairy, tomatoes, soy, bell peppers, brown rice, most potatoes if I eat over a certain amount, aubergine, goji berries. I’m sure in time I will track down one or two more offending artefacts. These I worked out way before Dr Gundry’s lectin book came out. Some foods are far worse than other for me – gluten I swell up in minutes, my resting heart rate goes over 200, my breathing goes tachypnea and it feels like the blood is shutting down to my brain… this fog will last for days. Tomatoes give me an instant migraine, with the most horrendous acidic stomach and raised heart rate and breathing. Similar for other foods. So what is your opinion on what this is? Lectins seems the most plausible link so far…




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    1. Thanks for your comment Kirk.

      Like you stated, it is important to distinguish individual cases to generalisation. If such foods cause some adverse reactions to you, then it’s clear that you should not be having them. But, when it comes to the rest of the population, it seems that Dr Grundy’s advice is not adequate and it is misinforming.

      Hope this answer helps.




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  28. Thank you Dr. Greger for doing this review. I loved this as I am hearing WFPB folks believing what Dr. Gundry writes about and encouraging others on the wellness journey to believe. It goes against everything we know in WFPB nutrition. I personally love you writing about the mainstream books on diet and nutrition as These books ARE the what the average Joe reads and bases diet decisions on. They ARE NOT reading the articles on Pub Med but that’s why we have you ;-). Thank you to you and your team. I truly appreciate Nutrition Facts!




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  29. On my path to WFPB I’ve read well in excess of 50 books and hundreds of Dr Greger videos and other articles. I make a point of reading contrarian “diet” books. Taub’s books, for example, are particularly thorny in this genre since he speaks at least half the truth most of the time. Since this one seems to be popular, I’ll give this one a whirl.

    The reviews by Campbell and this one by Greger confirm to me the almost criminal nature these books have in order to make a quick buck. The gullibility of Americans desperate to find a solution to their problems and friendly to their bad dietary habits is astounding. Only in America. If only liars could be held accountable!

    I’d suggest reading this book too, but try to get a free read somewhere. I hate to think I’d be lining this guy’s pockets. Regardless, make sure you understand the basic falsehoods surrounding his thesis so you can guide the blind away. As Dr Greger says, this and the other lying “diet” books do great harm to the many unwitting souls desperate for an answer that is right here under their noses with WFPB.




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    1. Imo, this topic is much more serious and i tend to believe it may be true, gluten is a very special protein just like casein~
      Look into the zonulin substance linked to gluten problems also~




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  30. Garret Moddel, yes in general the rice eating cultures prefer white rice, but if you ask for brown rice at a restaurant in many of those cultures you’re likely to be asked if you are feeling sick. A traditional response to a sick person is to feed them brown rice, like chicken soup here. I’ll take the brown rice, over the soup.




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  31. Can someone help me with something I am missing. The study talks about reducing/replacing meat, cheese and eggs with shellfish and then showing a reduction in cholesterol. But, the introduction to the book says eating shellfish AND egg yolks reduces cholesterol.




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  32. I think Dr. Greger SHOULD take on those popular diet books that run counter to the nutrition science highlighted at nutrition facts..org.
    I would like to see him dissect the Grain Brain books, since they are the complete opposite of the information offered on this site (although many think offer valid arguments for not eating grains).




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  33. It appears that this Gundry person has taken the attitude of just “..take the money and run,” regardless of what scientific evidence shows. It really befuddles me how people like this can get away with literally trying to poison people. It doesn’t make sense. I also agree that this Gundry (I refuse to show him the respect I’d normally show a doctor), likely has absolutely no nutrition training as he worked to get that medical degree. Bottom line: Gundry = JOKE.




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  34. Hello,
    I have searched the videos available and have not found any information on histamine intolerance. I suffer from histamine intolerance and have found great relief by changing my diet and reducing foods high in histamine. I would be grateful for Dr. Gregor’s input. Thank you.




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    1. Blue Moon – your own body makes histamines naturally. For its own reasons. Histamines are triggered in your body to activate when you come in contact with something your body is reactive to. Got allergies? your body is making histamines to pollen (or whatever your body is reacting to). That is why you take something like Claritin – which is an ANTI- histamine. Claritin interrupts the body’s natural response – which is releasing histamines – to something your body is reacting to.
      Trying to ‘not eat histamines’ will not solve your issue. Your body makes histamines on its own.




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  35. Thank you Dr. Greger! Regarding your question “Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?”, I would say no…unless the author is a very reputable doctor that is getting a lot of press. For example, I am now hearing a lot about the new book “The End of Alzheimer’s” by Dr. Dale Bredesen, a neurologist and neuroscientist who is recognized as an expert in neurodegenerative diseases such as Alzheimer’s. He has developed a “protocol” to reverse Alzheimers and according to the book, has reversed symptoms of the disease for 200 people. The nutrition part of his protocol includes a “ketoflex” diet which is largely plant-based (yay!) but the idea is to be in ketosis and therefore is low-carb . Also, he recommends fasting for at least 12 hours and suggests consuming MCT oil. I would love to know your thoughts on this protocol called ReCODE, for Reversal of Cognitive Decline. Thank you!




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    1. I have never heard of the Dr. of which you speak, but he is already one of my new heroes based on your post.

      I hope his research and treatments do not include things like blocking TGF-Beta 1 activity or GDF11-Myostatin research to rejuvenate the whole body… or the TIMP2 protein that could thwart Alzheimer’s at its starting point.

      If he has not included these interventions, then whatever he has come up with and what lies ahead will surely make Alzheimer’s something that no longer makes it necessary to sleep on one’s side or take naringin that binds to neurons and helps them to grow.




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    1. Steve – if you carefully read the sentence right before the listing of the videos, you will see that they are “upcoming, so stay tuned”. They aren’t posted yet!.




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      1. Thank you for taking the time to send me an answer.  I read that but when I scrolled down on the page, my clicker lit up as it normally does with items that you can click on and it takes you to another page, so I got tempted to click and go.  Then it said, not available so I thought that there was some kind of Internet issue.
        Anyway, I am looking forward to when they are ready.




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  36. I don’t have time to research Dr Gundry’s book right now but from a quick look, his book has nothing to do against eating plant foods but more about certain plant food protein namely lectin that can destroy some people digestive system. There are strategies to reduce or to avoid lectin and it is what the book is about. So contrary to popular belief, some plant foods are not all you can eat foods just like it is the case with animal foods. So it is not because it is a plant foods then it is a free pass to eat all you want.

    https://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-30025/is-this-plant-protein-actually-harming-your-gut-sabotaging-your-weight-loss-a.html

    So I don’t understand why Dr G is trashing Dr Gundry like Dr Gundry is against eating plant foods or something, and there is no evidence that he did.




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    1. Jerry L – Dr. G isn’t finished making his points about the Gundry book as there are a couple more videos to come as a part of this subject. Why don’t YOU just hold off and stop trashing Dr. G before he’s even finished making his points.
      Relax a little bit!
      jeesh!!!




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      1. Dorothy, if you watch the video again or read the transcript, you will see that Dr G language is very harsh, like Dr Gundry has said that kale is now banned. Give me a break.

        Dr G is also trashing Dr Gundry that why people in the world can eat foods with lectin and stay healthy? Is like questioning why the Thai can have peanut in almost all of their foods and have no allergy problem and some Americans have. They must be all fake news. And people who have to go to the hospital after eating a few peanuts are all inventing their stories. Same people with celliac problem, it’s all imaginary and fake news.

        My philosophy is to eat everything until it gives you a problem and I apply this to my kids who grow up with no allergy whatsoever. But at the same time, I cannot blame people with allergy problem because I don’t know about their lives.

        Also I cannot totally discredit the lectin and gluten and carb theories. Because you may not have a visible issue but who knows what is going on inside your body? So I try to minimize the lectin issue by soaking my bean and grain before I cook and eat. I also try to limit the carb to 200 g per day.




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        1. interesting and quite disturbing comment. you seem to be very concerned about what you call a few harsh words yet have no qualms about the horrendous suffering and death of the non-human animals whose flesh and secretions you choose to consume in the name of personal “health”.

          “You have just dined, and however scrupulously the slaughterhouse is concealed in the graceful distance of miles, there is complicity.”— Ralph Waldo Emerson




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    2. JL – you are clearly not interested in discussion at all. You’re like a frigging chihuahua dog latched onto someone’s ankle just grinding away. Attack! attack! attack!
      Have you tried some TM or perhaps a walk in the woods? Your caustic attacking is bizarre on some level.




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      1. Just found it ironic that you post twice using harsh language and telling the targeted poster to relax and take a walk in the woods. ‘-)

        Woman, Heal thyself! (using your own suggestions ‘-)




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      2. It seeems you are the one causing the attack……I don’t understand why people here are so quick to become defensive. Jerry Lewis and others do make some valid points and they need to be addressed by Dr. Greger. Personally, I have experienced problems with whole grains, beasn, legumes,nightshades. I think we should look more into lectins as there is a lot of research showing how they affect individuals especially with autoimmune diseases. I wouldn’t be quick to discredit Dr. Gundry just based on a couple of misleading citations. Also genetics play a big part in this which obviously makes us different to one another, it may be some of us are more susceptible to pain or diseases can be triggered with certain foods. Obviously animal protein is in the top of the list, but certain plant foods still need more further research, I wouldn’t say we have a free pass in the meantime to all plant foods. Please do keep up the good work Dr. Greger and try not to judge others until you look into their research fully rather than just cherry picking. We are hear to learn, a lot of studies you have mentioned could turn out to be wrong someday and we may need to eat a piece of humble pie…..




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    3. Jerry, my take on the video is that Dr. Greger was asked to review the book through many requests and after uncovering the tainted reference chose to cutoff the review after determining the reference was 180 degrees from what the book was stating. Sort of like reading a sentence with bad grammar, one tends to think the person is not reference-worthy?




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            1. Jerry wrote: I just learn that there is a new kind of cherry picking. Cherry pick what you say and cherry pick what you read.

              Nancy, he was referring to your picking an innocuous statement out of my post and re-branding a perfectly good Bing into a less desireable (for eating) Mortmorency… suggesting you are a sourpuss? ‘-)




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    4. Contrary to what you say in your video, the book actually recommends legumes if you cook them enough (which eliminates lectins) and tomatoes (if you do not eat the seeds) etc…
      So please read the book because your current video does not help better understand the subject




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      1. Francoise – Dr. greger isn’t finished with his video series on this subject. And you and others are already criticizing before even hearing his entire position on the subject.
        What’s the matter with you? and others?




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        1. The matter is that The first video is provocation without real insight, exactly the contrary of what Dr Geger does usually.
          What is real is that a lot of people react to lectins from beans for instance, and cannot eat them without symptoms
          Of course we all know that for most people beans are good (and increase lifespan) but it just is not the question addressed in the book.
          I think most people who have really read the book will react like me.
          There are very sound scientific references quoted in the book, even if the specific case noted by Dr Geger is a problem.
          So please do not condemn someone who is doing a very interesting work and has an outstanding acrreer and results without really looking into the matter.




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  37. Thank you for this video and your work. The “What The Health” documentary on Netflix coupled with “Forks Over Knives” solidified in my mind that animal based foods is a type of position for the body and the planet and yet the Federal Government is bought and paid for by big Farm and big Pharma. Hence, this video once again shows how greed (in the form of lies and deception) trumps truth. “What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul?” The consequence of this question is now playing out – chronic decease and global warming. We, as consumers, MUST dial back our diets and rid them of all meat and dairy products. Then we will not only see the human race get healed physically but the planet we live in too. Book of Daniel, Chapter 1.




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    1. “position = poison” (I am sure that was understood.) Also, went vegan (if you will) July 8th. Weighed in at 268. Today, 245. Thank you. I do recommend the Vitamix 5200. It takes the hassle out of eating fruits and vegetables every morning for breakfast with a multivitamin. Rich Roll is right…Everything is just better.




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      1. Peter100, I enjoyed reading your post – congratulations on your success this summer! I never tire of hearing how people have changed their health destiny by choosing whole food plant based eating. I did watch “what the health” the other night, and have seen Forks over Knives as well – both highly recommended. I’m a big fan of Rich Roll too and draw a lot of inspiration from his website. Not sure if people realise that he has a huge collection of podcasts to listen to, including one with our own Dr Greger http://www.richroll.com/podcast/007-michael-greger/

        Keep up the good work Peter and enjoy that vitamix!




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    2. you also may want to check out the documentary “Earthlings” for free on youtube to explore the moral and ethical aspects of consuming the flesh, milk and eggs of non-human animals.




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  38. Has Dr. Greger tackled the Paleo/Keto diets as directly as he has with the Plant Paradox? Proponents of the paleo diet offer nutritional science as support for their diets. . sometimes very convincingly to those of us not trained in science. A point-by-point analysis of where they go wrong would be helpful.




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    1. Michael port-yes, he has a bunch of videos on paleo diets. He doesn’t cover “whole 30” specifically and many paleo advocates would suggest that these are not “ketogenic” diets, though the skeleton is the same. People DO lose weight on paleo diets, but saturated fat is terrible leading to terrible cholesterol and therefore clogging of the arteries…which is how you end up with my brother, who is supper “in shape,” and completely healthy EXCEPT he has terribly HIGH CHOLESTEROL. Which is at least in part why young athletes can drop dead from heart attacks. https://nutritionfacts.org/video/paleo-diets-may-negate-benefits-of-exercise/ I also like this TedTalk : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMOjVYgYaG8




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    2. Hi this is Dr. Daniela Sozanski PhD Functional Naturopath and Moderator with Nutritionfacts. Yes Dr. Greger has a multitude of videos on the topic, and please check them out: https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/paleolithic-diets/ There is plenty of science based evidence in all of them. Also I agree with you that in these times of abundant information, it can be easy to make the truth fit your purposes, and that we would have to learn to increase our level of scrutiny. Have a great day. Daniela




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  39. Yes, please keep addressing diet war type myths, as well as new poorly designed studies the media runs with… i.e., bacon is back etc. It is so helpful to have evidence based arguments when trying to help others wade through the misinformation out there, what about the new study saying people eating higher fat live longer than people eating carbs? Keep on fighting! We need you!




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  40. Just read an article called “The Great Nutrient Collapse,” which discusses the research and work of Irakli Loladze. Loladze’s findings might come closer to at least passing the ‘whiff test’ in regard to plant nutrition. Could be worth a sniff or two.




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    1. The Great Nutrient Collapse is really something that needs to be fully investigated, but i fear that, like everything else in our collapsing world, we are nearing some sort of singularity that will affect all of us, vegans, and non-vegans alike.

      i am mostly distressed that my entire life of searching for this WFPB lifestyle, i have managed to ignore all of the clues that were before me.
      nearing my seventh decade on this planet, after having had a heart transplant eight years ago, i found Dr Gregor’s site two years ago. i could have avoided this most drastic operation had i just known about it years before. and while i follow this WFPB pretty carefully, and weigh about 100 lbs less than at my heaviest, i still have so many problems from the drugs that i must take to stay alive.

      nevertheless, i am supremely thankful for the work that Dr Gregor does, and am also grateful for the usually wise discussions that follow his videos.




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  41. The fact that Dr. Gundry and others (Mercola, et. al.,) sells an entire line of expensive supplements and ‘stuff’ to the public is an immediate red flag to me, personally. It just smacks of conflict of interest and leaves my stomach turning. This is exactly why I so appreciate Dr. Greger. He does recommend a couple of supplements – B12, vegan source of Omega 3 fatty acids, D3. But even though individuals have asked Dr. G to recommend a brand that he uses, he refuses to do so – explicitly to remove the conflict of interest or any appearance of it. This ethics high bar that Dr. G maintains assist me in feeling comfortable with the information I am receiving. So thank you Dr. Greger and staff for your continued very high ethical standards.

    Having said that, I do appreciate that people have asked for an algal-based vegan omega 3 supplement. I’ll share mine:
    http://www.vitaminlife.com/index/page/product/product_id/72228/product_name/Vegan+Ultra+Omega++EPA+++DHA?gclid=Cj0KCQjwruPNBRCKARIsAEYNXIiWeT4EbXNPut0QQKOYes7PT1a6N-KQaC2d41zZXrlzXDEaCDGBYn0aAmR-EALw_wcB
    The label states 2 caps is a 30 day supply per bottle at 550mgs of omega 3’s per day. Dr. Greger recommends only 250 mgs / day. So one can take 1 gel/day and get the Dr. G recommended amount. So this bottle will last you two months for $20.
    Best –




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    1. To suggest that Gundry and Mercola are cut from the same cloth is just not fair. Mercola is a true health advocate and has spent decades informing
      the public about hundreds of issues with really solid information. He monetizes his site by selling high quality products. Although it may be preferable
      to have no potential conflicts, there is a reason Mercola is the largest and most read health related internet site online. That said Mercola also advocates
      free range animal products even though personally he consumes little… Let’s hope he wakes up sooner than later.

      On the other hand Gundry simply sells a line of products primarily designed to block lectins, that are very very expensive and go along with his
      failed thesis. The two are in no way comparable…

      Thanks for linking to reasonably priced vegan Omega 3 supplement…




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        1. susan: Thanks for your post. People really believe in Mercola, and I feel for them. Mercola is a very good salesman.

          That Mercola sells meat is a huge red flag, but that’s not the only one. I thought you would be interested in what TG and other posters on this site have written about Mercola’s positions. I haven’t personally verified all of the points in these posts, but I did check up on one or two points in the past and found them to be true. I’m sure Mercola is not wrong about everything, but he appears to be just another person who is going after the dollar rather than sticking to the science.

          From TG a long time ago: “[Mercola] is also a believer in homeopathy, that diets high in saturated fat and cholesterol are harmless, and apparently that all vaccines are harmful. He also has a number of other strange beliefs which appear to run counter to known facts. For example, he states that large LDL particles are not harmful!. Of course, as is well known, he makes a lot of money selling a wide range of pills and potions. He has, I understand, been the subject of a number of FDA orders to stop making illegal claims about products sold through his website.
          I would be extremely wary of any recommendations made by Dr Mercola, especially if they cannot be substantiated by peer reviewed studies published in credible journals.
          http://www.mercola.com/forms/background.htm
          http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/07/24/ever-wonder-why-homeopathy-works.aspx
          http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2015/11/14/vaccine-safety-greater-good.aspx
          http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/02/10/2015-dietary-guidelines-cholesterol-statins.aspx
          http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html

          Also from TG: “I also seem to remember that some years ago, he also sold “tachyon energy” products.This demonstrates to me that he is not committed to evidence-based medicine. He may be correct on a number of issues but how can anyone be confident that he is? His views do not seem to consistently stem from a serious consideration of all the available evidence.”

          Joss Levy wrote: ” the list of fanciful ideas that Dr Mercola comes up with, such as the need to: “structure” your drinking water by chilling it and stirring it clockwise; earth yourself electrically at all times; move out of an apartment higher than ground level so the Earth’s electric field won’t make you ill; eat bone broth, grass-fed cow and whey protein; replace your LED lamps with incandescent bulbs to avoid “digital light”. Then there’s his “emotional freedom technique”, and there may be more examples, but this is just what I have come up with off the top of my head.”

          Aaron wrote: “Mercola is a phony. He rarely has any reliable sources to back up his claims . For example look at his article on the superiority of grass fed beef, the entire article reads as a advertisement for a particular brand of grass fed beef at outrageous prices. And not one source listed to back up his claims on potential health benefits, nor does he even say if beef is healthy in the first place. http://products.mercola.com/grass-fed-beef/

          [I’ll also add that the WHO says red meat is “probably carcinogenic to humans”, if memory serves. I have a whole big post on why grass-fed/free-range, etc does not make the product healthy. We even have a study that looks at cancer rates of a culture that eats nothing but free range, grass-fed. If anyone is interested, let me know and I’ll share. No one who sells a product that is “probably carcinogenic” can claim to have other people’s best interests at heart, especially when no warning is given.]

          Shame indeed.




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          1. @Thea–
            At my other figurative watering hole, I found a link to Dr. Joseph Mercola and his enthusiasm for a high-fat diet, what he calls the “ketogenic diet”.
            On a first reading, as presented by Mercola, the diet is all confirmation and illumination, thanks to the growing media splash over the Prospective Urban and Rural Epidemiology (PURE) study, which Mercola gleefully salutes, “Large-Scale Study Proves High-Fat Diet Promotes Health and Longevity”.

            The problem with Mercola is he believes he is called to become an evangelist, not merely a researcher. Sometimes, he reaches the correct inference, but his method also reveals serious overreach and multiplies major error, as in his infatuation with lipids. Getting some facts correctly may make the trains arrive on time, but Mercola’s method also hides an intolerant regime.

            Mercola’s website forums impose even sanctions to those who disagree with him, and I have been asked explicitly by Mercola not to mention my enthusiasm for grains in the diet (I had suggested cultivation of grains probably saved humanity and helped generate modern urban civilization).

            Citing the PURE study. Mercola concludes the study merely confirms his own long-term emphasis on a fat-based diet. Says Mercola, “high intakes of healthy fats — especially saturated fats — boost health and longevity.” And in that much, Mercola would return us, full circle, to Dr. Atkins.




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            1. alphaa0010: Thank you for your thoughts. I appreciated reading them. FYI: You are not the first person to tell us that the website bans alternative views from being discussed.

              re: the PURE study. For you or anyone who hasn’t seen it, there are some really good reviews showing the fatal flaws of the PURE study. You can read them at the following links. ‘darchiterd’ says that there is also another good review from Dr. Kahn, but I haven’t seen it yet.
              From PCRM: http://www.pcrm.org/media/news/pure-study-killer-carbs-or-poor-living-conditions
              From Dr. Katz: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diet-health-puzzling-past-paradox-pure-understanding-david?trk=mp-reader-card&utm_content=bufferf15a6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer




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              1. Thea & alpha0010: that’s why I’m glad we don’t ban people from this site. We may get into heated arguments with them, & we / they might not like it, but I do like the idea that everyone is welcome here to join in the discussion.
                It says a lot about Mercola et al. that they feel they have to restrict the narrative on their website. I guess that’s what you have to do when you’re selling so many products via the enforcement of an ideology that’s more like a religion without much science to back it up.




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                1. WFPB Nancy: I’d have to disagree with you somewhat there. I’m 100% for allowing for discussion and welcoming all view points. I personally like the challenge of being able to respond to people who repeat things they have heard on sites like Mercola’s, etc. However, some people don’t want honest discussion and are disruptive here on NutritionFacts again and again and again to the point that they need to be banned in order to have a healthy forum. My argument is that being able to make that distinction between healthy argument and troll-like disruption is where NutritionFacts is failing.

                  But I really do appreciate what you are saying regarding allowing alternative views. Not being afraid of other ideas is important if a site is going to have integrity.




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                  1. @Thea (and WFPBNancy)–
                    Exactly– a truly open forum is laudable, but we need moderators to keep a semblance of order. Someone must make the judgment call between honest disagreement, and a troll-on-a-mission. NutritionFacts.org is under no obligation to serve as somebody’s ideological free-fire zone.

                    Most telling, it is usually the manners (or lack thereof), not the ideas, which give the trolls away. Trolls, themselves, have only contempt for the tolerance they are offered on the best forums, and laugh like hyenas about the trusting courtesy they often get from others.

                    But trolls aside, If manners is the ultimate problem with our forums, we Americans desperately need to learn the art of polite but unambiguous disagreement. Public discourse is not a self-indulgent episode of “reality TV”. That same courteous public discourse is something for which I greatly admire in citizens of the Commonwealth, a sense of public decorum, and the ability to disagree without juvenile antics, insults or gunfire.

                    Clearly enough, a brawling, insult-ridden forum is not the experience Dr. Greger ever wanted to provide, and if the disruption is deliberate and repeated, even the most tolerant moderator must identify and eliminate the source(s)..




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              2. Harvard has also pointed out some important methodological flaws in this study.
                https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2017/09/08/pure-study-makes-headlines-but-the-conclusions-are-misleading/

                Furthermore, it is worth bearing in mind that McMaster University has a history of producing studies which show dairy foods in a favourable light and/or which defend saturated fat consumption. What is more, they receive grant funding from the Canadian dairy Industry (and occasionally the US Dairy Council). Dairy Farmers of Canada calls McMaster University a “partner”.
                https://www.dairyfarmers.ca/who-we-are/our-partners

                Consequently, I tend to look closely at the study design of anything coming out of McMaster. In this case, comparing outcomes for people across different countries eating carbs with people eating fat etc, can often end up simply comparing the mortality rates of poor people in underdeveloped countries who eat primarily cheap low quality carbs with the mortality rates of people in wealthy developed countries whose diet is generally richer in fats etc. Not controlling for such factors would be expected to produce results exonerating saturated fats or implying that they are healthful. In fact, saturated fat and cholesterol apologists have been doing this same sort of thing for years. Plant Positive discusses this misleading approach here
                http://plantpositive.squarespace.com/blog/2012/3/25/tpns-40-41-playing-games-with-your-heart.html




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                1. TG: Fascinating information! Thanks for jumping in. I will be integrating your information (with credit of course) into my response when people ask about the PURE study.

                  PCRM and Dr. Katz also addressed your point about these types of studies really doing nothing but comparing a) economically well-off people with access to health care to b) poor people who don’t get enough calories or access to healthy care. That’s cool. What was even more fun in reading your post is that you point to videos from Plant Positive who addressed this very point years ago! As you’ve probably seen, I’m a big fan of Plant Positive. But I haven’t looked at every page on his site, and I know I haven’t absorbed all of the information that I have looked at. I love being able to show that the saturated fat and cholesterol apologists have been doing this for years. It’s a helpful perspective. I’ll be watching those videos soon.

                  Thanks again!




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                2. @TG–
                  Thank you! This is the “other side” that makes peer-review of studies the first-and-last-ditch defense against both deceit and honest error. The original idea of peer review was simply to facilitate the birth of correct ideas, not to shoot down reputations, and make funding impossible. Ideally, peer input can correct methodology and make successful (self-correcting) science possible.




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              3. Thank you, Thea, for your helpful response. I’ll delve into these links with delight !

                Speaking of the fat infatuations of Dr. Mercola, it is strange how ordinary, “rational” people get so obsessed over nutritional items that they seem to forget that nutrition, itself, is about living in a healthy manner. Instead, they cast a toxic pall on everybody around them.

                All to say, your calm, wise perspective has held the forum together for as long as I can remember, preserving it from those who wanted to turn it into a verbal food fight.




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                1. alphaa0010 : Thank you for those very kind words. I’m not on duty any more the way I used to be, though I still do some moderating. I’m happy to hear that the work I previously did was noticed! :-)




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          2. @Thea–
            This may be question for the WordPress managers, but If I wish to locate posts by another poster or posters, can I search across the almost 1,800 forum topics?

            For example, can I search globally (across all topics) for all instances of poster “FindMe” and somehow save the search file for when I have time to review the various posts?

            In your post above, I note you were able to locate many instances of viewpoint agreement among multiple posters and apparently across multiple topic threads,




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            1. alphaa0010: Those features were available in disqus, at least to a degree, but they are not currently available here as far as I know. In disqus, you can review a person’s posts as long as that person makes that feature available to the public. (An important privacy feature.) There was also a way to search comments from the site, but that may have only been available to moderators. I’m not sure. Anyway, those may be features that could be added to this site in the future. But right now, I think you are out of luck? (Someone else more familiar with WordPress would have to jump in to give you a definitive answer.)

              FYI: Until I quit a few months ago, I was the main lay moderator on this site for years. I read every single post. Somewhere along the way, I started keeping copies of those posts which I thought were especially helpful. I have a folder of over 2,500 such posts and they are fairly searchable. That’s how I was able to put together the post above. Also, when I see the same questions coming up again and again, I start paying attention to answers to those questions (and doing my own research as best I can) and then cobbling together what I think of as a ‘best-of’ answer that I can re-use when the question comes up in the future. I try to give credit in those posts too, but I’m not looking up/searching old posts each time for those answers.




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              1. Thea, I remember well how you used to put together great summaries from previous posts in order to answer people’s questions. You were a real asset to the comments section of the NF website. A lot of us regular readers really appreciated your helpful daily posts!




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              2. Thea, Your method of gathering high–grade user-submitted content into a library is very efficient and similar to what I try to do on other (generally political) topics, for other forums. If someone phrases something well, hits all the relevant points, I know instantly I can learn from this person.

                We are constantly amazed by what even a small group of people can devise or understand.

                Frankly, recording / noting what I learn helps me understand it better by putting it into my own terms. Wasn’t this what our high school teachers kept telling us? “Take notes, even when you don’t have to, because you recall much of what you write, and it makes reviewing material easier” and “summarize everything for later review”.

                So, you are right– I need to begin gathering valuable ancillary comments at Nutrition Facts website. Thanks for helping me devise a method.

                BG

                * Here is something you may already know, but in Windows, even the lowly Notepad (word processor) can search your free-form notes in a flash. Whereas, once, I used to yearn for the day I could build and search a relational database of all my important text notes, I eventually understood simply searching free-form text is the ultimate solution. The text is already “indexed” (after a fashion) by the ability to search the text, and Notepad renders the answer to my search string in microseconds.

                And if I search for all instances of “Thea said”, I can bounce from hit to hit until I find what I recalled your saying. The reason for making the search string into the phrase “Thea said” is any of hundreds of links might include your name, even in comments from other people, but only “Thea said” is specific to you.




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                1. alphaa0010: You have an excellent point regarding taking notes. I don’t enjoy the process, but I do know that I fit the statistics in that if I take notes and put things in my own words, I’ll do far better at remembering and understanding.

                  I think you have a very good point about keeping a ‘database’ simple. I thought I would share my own method which is a little different than your own, but I think very helpful. I keep each individual post in it’s own email. All 2,500+ (and counting) emails are stored in a single folder in gmail. For example, I might have a folder named ‘Nutrition Information’. Each email/post gets a subject like “alphaa0010 on lectins” or “TG on PURE study” or “Thea on Mercola – summary”. Gmail folders are searchable super-fast–as fast notebook I believe.

                  With this setup, I have the advantage of being able to scan titles to quickly find the post I want. For example, if I want to scan all the emails from you, I can. But what if you have a LOT of entries and I want the one where you talk about lectins. Or maybe I’m not even sure it was you. With gmail, I can quickly use lectins as my search word. Gmail searches the body as well as the subject. I can then quickly scan the return results to find email subjects showing the authors. Gmail also searches on two terms. So, if I enter two words in the search bar, it will return only those emails which have both words in it, but the words do not have to be together.

                  Our methods are similar, which is pretty cool. Just sharing my method in case it sparks an idea for you. :-)

                  FYI: I’m guessing that the ultimate tool for this functionality is software such as One Note. I haven’t used One Note myself, but I saw a demo a little while ago. It looked pretty good for this need. I would have some issues to work out before I felt it was worth trusting my important data to it, but I’m keeping the idea in mind.

                  Take care.




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            1. Nancy: So glad I could help!

              My Thoughts: This page is an important topic in general, not just as a discussion of Dr. Gundry. Just because someone produces a book or has a popular website, that doesn’t mean that they necessarily got it right or even that they aren’t deliberately misleading people. No one is wrong about everything and no one (including Dr. Greger!) is right about everything. However, there are sources which generally contain valid information and sources which generally contain invalid information. Unless people want to become an expert and track down every single reference and study ourselves, it is vital that we learn how to distinguish between generally good sources and generally bad.

              While I wouldn’t want Dr. Greger to spend a majority of his time debunking the bad books and claims, it is super helpful to spend some time on it. That way, the next time someone asks about Dr. Gundry’s work, we have a valid source of information to refer people to. Hence, I’m glad Dr. Greger is tackling this topic for now and hope that he will continue to do similar videos in the future. Between times, we can help each other learn which sources (like Mercola) are generally suspect.




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    2. Dorothy, you need to look up and see that Furhman sells supplements too and offer health seminars only to rich people at resorts in Italy and ski resorts. A number of all the who and who vegan doctors including Dr G will be offering health seminar on cruise ship. Dr G charges a high fee for his appearance at health seminars. And Dr Mc Dougall has his wellness center to serve rich people in California. I have not heard of any nutritional doctors offering free health seminars to people in Mississippi. So don’t judge on the value of what the Doctors said based on how they make money.




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  42. This may be one of the most important videos from Dr. Greger and we should note just how emphatic he is in denouncing the latest fad diet book.
    As mentioned there are consequences for bad information. Just as it is now popular to denounce gluten it seems lectins is the new
    dietary gremlin. There are those who fare poorly with gluten and are well advised to avoid it but there may be other reasons this is true.

    Roundup (glyphosate) is used to desicate wheat so that farmers can harvest up to 3 crops per year. The entire crop is doused. It is more than likely that many who believe they are gluten intolerant are actually being poisoned by glyphosate. By the time we study this issue the chemical will be retired in favor of one that (if the past is a good predictor of the future) will be even worse.

    With lectins it is significant that the longest lived people on earth eat lots of them as Dr. Gregor emphatically illustrates.
    Allergic response to foods has been in vogue as a testing modality for far over two decades. If a person was responding unfavorably to a particular food such as beans or tomatoes such testing would demonstrate this issue and a trend would be apparent over time. This has not been the case at all…




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  43. Long before Dr Gundry’s book AKA product line infomercial my two day soaking of beans with water and then water and bragg’s ACV going into a pressure cooker became my favorite. The good doctor at least included my wisdom from others in his book. A double blind study at this point won’t change my taste preferences, still is pressure cooking vegetables verses not in your database? Taste and texture from it that gets thumbs up might be due to how it helps herbs blend in the mix, or I could be totally deluded by my brilliance. Sweet potatoes, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage, and others just have people enjoying or being vary polite. Thanks for the bigger view of the book.




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  44. Contrary to what you say in your video, the book actually recommends legumes if you cook them enough (which eliminates lectins) and tomatoes (if you do not eat the seeds) etc…
    So please read the book because your current video does not help better understand the subject




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    1. Contrary to what you say in your video, the book actually recommends legumes if you cook them enough (which eliminates lectins) and tomatoes (if you do not eat the seeds) etc…

      Those seem like reasonable suggestions, supposedly backed up with real science.




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  45. Long-time NutritionFacts follower here, and I vote YES on having more of these kinds of videos. With very little hesitation.

    Keeping up with the latest unencumbered science is very important, please keep doing this for the world! But, as Dr. Greger shows, many of these “diet war” combatants are unethical as hell. They need to be called out.

    Thanks.




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    1. Why not. He has attacked his own credentials as being irrelevant in terms of nutritional training. Look up his other credentials and work on things such as animal-related epidemics. He is a true researcher.




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      1. @Paul Lebow–
        And that is the ultimate issue, isn’t it? Methodology is the only means to verify / detect sound data.

        Although we have a constant media chorus of dueling degrees in the same area, and the media circus is intensely profitable, little resolution or light escapes. No wonder the public is jaded and cynical about media forums on any topic.

        A researcher with proper method can venture outside his own primary subject area, and still produce valuable science. In fact, the great scientists of the Renaissance were (what should we say?) “renaissance” encyclopedists and pathfinders for the scientific work which followed them.




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  46. It may be a better idea to stay away from this type of video, it’s not you doc. If you must, keep it really clean, as in approach it from a study only perspective by looking at the cited science and if they interpret it very poorly, as you did towards the end of the video, do a point by point breakdown of what the studies really say. Also, carefully think about how harmful the book really is, you may actually be promoting something that a person may not have every heard of, such as myself in this case. You’ve educated us well enough that the sniff test should work just fine at the bookstore, however, this is provided your audience is really listening to what you have to say rather than just listening to you. Do you want to be an educator or a guru?

    Having said that, there are plenty of studies that need clarifying and honest review, thousands as you noted, many with less than savoury funding. Sure lots of people want everything pointed out to them, very much noted by the umteen “please help me” questions that really are inappropriate for an online resource such as this imo. Jumping into the book debunking theatre might be a rabbit hole you won’t be able to crawl out from once you get started… just saying.




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    1. @Marcello Disanto–
      As Dr. Greger, himself, acknowledges. either he spends time debating or he spends time researching.

      Fundamentally, as another NF poster (scientist by training) points out, science always speaks for itself. However, hearing and understanding its message more clearly means more and better focused research, not merely more debate.




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  47. I appreciated this video. It definitely raised some appropriate criticisms. And I think it’s a good reminder that we must think critically and not just accept a source blindly.

    I am new to nutritionfacts. I’m not sure what other readers/viewers might say. Debunking false claims has its place–especially if many people are asking about a certain claim.

    But I’m more interested in understanding nutritional resesearch and focusing on healthier food options/lifestyles– more so than weeding out every new fad that comes along.




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    1. Couldn’t agree more fully– public\media debates move sometimes by formal rules and sometimes by theatrics, but seldom are they decided by full and careful recourse to science.




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  48. I am a little confused about oils in the diet. I am a 74 y.o. type II diabetic and have been vegetarian and then vegan for many years. I have been taking turmeric regularly 3 times a day for the last year. Dr. Greger says that you need to take it with freshly ground pepper and oil. The question is, how much oil. My wife thinks I take way too much oil every day. Is there some type of guideline as to how much is needed to get the full benefit of the turmeric? Thanks




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    1. hello Lee Wright, I have a link here for the topic of tumeric videos offered at this website. https://nutritionfacts.org/topics/turmeric/ I have never seen or heard Dr Greger advocate consumong oils, ever – perhaps you heard that somewhere else ? The black pepper is definitly recommended to consume with the tumeric. Drs Esselstyn, Ornish, McDougall, Williams, Barnard, and Greger all recommend avoiding oils https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b_o4YBQPKtQ This link of Dr Esselstyn explains further. Hope this helps




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  49. Thank you so much for posting this video!! We are new subscribers and it’s like you read my mind! We have recently found out that my husband has a nearly colluded right carotid and very high cholesterol at the young and fit age of 57. A cerebral angiogram will tell us more next week. They put him on Plavix and a statin, which our personal goal is to get him off of asap.
    In the meantime my aunt bought us the book “The Plant Paradox,” which we have read quite a bit of already.
    At the same time, a very good friend and trusted health practitioner put us onto nutrition facts.org and we have just recently started watching the videos. You can imagine how confusing all this is! We are committed to eating well and eating exactly what is needed for maximum health and healing with both cholesterol and high blood pressure and a blocked right carotid.

    Of course the doctors we have been seeing said that diet alone cannot be trusted to lower cholesterol, and therefore why medication is needed. We are more optimistic on the healing power of the body and on nutrition. It’s always been obvious that MDs and the nutrition world most often butt heads, but it is even more frustrating when nutritionists who are supposedly after everyone’s ultimate health, skew studies, etc. and people like us who are committed to and disciplined in doing the “right thing” can’t know for sure what the “right thing” is with all these opposing views, even within the nutrition field! We just want to do the right thing…




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    1. Jennifer Hartmann – Given that you are just “getting going”, let me please suggest you and your husband read a few very important foundational books. They will give you more information in short order than just about anything else:
      The China Study – T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D. and Tom Campbell, M.D. (son),
      Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease – Caldwell Esselstyn, M.D.
      Eat to Live – Joel Fuhrman, M.D.
      A Challenging Second Opinion – John McDougall, M.D., – and any and all other books he has written – google his books
      Reverse Heart Disease – Dean Ornish, M.D.

      These are a few good books to get you going. I dont want to list more as I don’t want to overwhelm you with information. REad them and then you will learn of others who are excellent researchers and can give you answers. But the best one to read to get you going is The China Study by T. Colin Campbell, Ph.D.
      You will be pleasantly surprised! :-)

      Also, watch “Forks Over Knives”, “What the Health”, “FAt, Sick, and Nearly Dead”. These documentaries (can get at your library usually) will change your life.
      Have fun!! :-)




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  50. I received the book from my sister who loves the Plant Paradox diet. I tried it for 2 weeks and went mad. The diet was super restrictive and so different from the way I was eating, The Daily Dozen. Suggested breakfast, coconut flour, oil, flax, baking powder and eggs w/ orange zest and dried cranberries as “a good source of vitamin c”, doesn’t do it for me. Lots of chicken, eggs, cheese, dairy products and turkey sausage wasn’t something I was going to start eating to be healthier”. I watched a lot of Dr. Gundry’s videos but the two things that he said that I can’t see beyond are 1. The purpose of food is to get more oil into your mouth and 2. Eating fruit makes you fat. I am so grateful for Dr. Greger and everyone at NutritionFacts.org for cutting through the hype.




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  51. I would like to see you refute some of these books and articles and their authors especially the ones that are prominently marketed and becoming popular best sellers by dispelling falsehoods and pseudoscience. If Doctors and scientists like you, Dr. Ornish, Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. Barnhard, Dr. Mc Dougall and others don’t push back and push back hard this type of thing will only get worse. Many people are looking for what seems to be evidence that supports their bad nutrition choices and there are many willing to give it to them and profit from it. I know there are a lot of studies but some of the topics you cover are specific to a small audience and could probably be back burnered when a book like this comes along. Fighting misinformation, lies in nutrition is just as important as putting out the new information in my opinion.




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  52. I am 80 years old. In 2011 I developed pneumonia and heart failure and had 2 stents inserted. The EF was 20%.Subsequently I followed Dr McDougall’s diet and Dr Greger completely for 6 years. I really admire both of them. Unfortunately I developed Angina which never left me. I had an episode of atrial fibrillation in April and have a defibrillator inserted. The Angina persisted requiring medication. Two months ago I read Dr Gundry’s book and it made sense. I have followed his diet completely It is simple, no grains, no sugars even in fruit, and no nightshade plants. The angina has completely gone.

    It would appear that cholesterol is an association not a cause and the real culprit is that atheroma is an autoimmune disease due to the reaction of the sugar Neu5GC from animals and wheat germ agglutinin, a small molecule lectin.

    The diet starts with 240G of meat reducing to 120G then 60G and nil. So you end up with the same diet as Dr Greger without the grains etc. The diet consists mainly of bicotyledans, which are mainly green leaves such as gorillas eat. It is a preagricultural diet. Interestingly elephants are similar to humans and in the wild never develop atheroma but in zoos where they are fed grains 50% develop atheroma.

    My main criticism of Dr Greger in this case is that he appears to have based his criticism on the introduction without reading the whole book.




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    1. Dr Browne, it seems your crticism is unfounded. Today’s video is Dr Greger’s introduction to the topic. Two more videos will follow (Fri and next Mon). I, for one, won’t judge Dr Greger’s presentation until I have seen the whole series. So far though I am enjoying it.




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    2. Not true what you said about elephants. They can get atherosclerosis in the wild and not because of grain.

      http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00dis/Miscellaneous/Arteriosclerosis_Ele.htm

      It has been suggested that arteriosclerosis in wild Loxodonta africana – African Elephants is related to disturbed habitats (J360.9.w1) and that the following environmental factors may influence the development of arteriosclerosis in wild Loxodonta africana – African Elephants:
      • Prolonged exposure to strong sunlight.
      • Overpopulation/overcrowding.
      • Restricted diet, due to human population pressures.
      • Diet high in calcium. Restricted movement, preventing movement to salt licks.
      • Prevention of migration, with associated breakdown of suitable environmental conditions for young calves, boredom, lack of exercise and overcrowding.
      (J342.61.w1, J360.9.w1, J361.21.w1, J391.32.w1)




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      1. Thank you for your comments. All the factors you have described are associations, not aetiology.

        All I know is that following Dr Gundrys diet my angina has gone. No more chest pains which continued following Dr McDougalls and Dr Gregers diet of total vegan diet which I followed totally for 6 years. This was in spite of a total cholesterol reading of 3 me/L (150 mgm/L) which led to further atheroma. There should have been no progression but there was and my Ejection Fraction was 10-15% and has now doubled to 25%, still half the normal, but improving and I am now asymptomatic and can lead a normal life.

        It shows that you are never too old to cure yourself without medication, and this is speaking as a retired OBGYN, with some reservations about the direction of medical practice. I know that Dr Gundry sells supplements but I ignore this as his recommendations have been the only thing that has solved my angina problem so that I can live a normal life.

        Dr David Browne MB, BS, FRCOG, FRANZCOG  Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia




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        1. Dr Browne, I admire you taking your health into your own hands. But I’m curious as to whether you continued to eat added oil during your 6 years following a vegan diet? The downfall of many vegans regarding heart disease is that they continue to eat added oil, such as olive oil. Dr Caldwell Esselstyn, who is well known for reversing heart disease, recommends no added oil and also not even high oil-containing whole plant foods, such as avocados and nuts, for people trying to reverse heart disease. Wishing you well in your recovery.




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          1. Dear WFPB-Hal,

            I tried to avoid the high oil foods, but I used to eat a lot of beans, but none now. I have an avocado for breakfast and when we cook we use olive oil.
            I have a lot of salads, mainly lettuce, rocket, spinach leaves, mushrooms, onions, avocados, sauerkraut, with some scattered walnuts for ‘body’. We also have cooked vegetables, all organic of course, including broccoli, cauliflower, sweet potatoes, mushrooms. In addition we have inulin to feed the good bacteria and lately I have been using Dr Gundry’s Prebiotics.

            When we go out to a restaurant, I have some wild caught fish, mainly barramundi, coral trout and snapper and garden salad. I share a bottle of red wine with my wife, usually Pinot Noir. I will have sheep or goat cheese as these animals have the same sugars as Humans (Nue5AC).  I also eat prawns which we get straight off the trawlers fresh caught that night.

            For many people this would seem a a very uninteresting diet but having angina with chest pains on the slightest exertion is not interesting either.

            All I can say is that for 2 months I have been free from angina and I am asymptomatic, so that it works for me. I recognise that other approaches work for other people, such as Dr McDougall or Dr Esselstyn There is one man in Australia who lived on nothing but potatoes for 1 year in good health.




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    3. Dr. David Browne, thank you for your thoughtful post.

      I have read numerous books that are pro-plant / pro-vegan (e.g. “How Not to Die” by Greger, Starch Solution by McDougal etc). I am a vegetarian, and mostly vegan (other than rare exceptions).

      I read all of the Plant Paradox by Dr. Gundry. I don’t take any of his supplements.

      Ironically, Gundry is a vegetarian (and almost vegan) that is very close to Dr. Greger’s recommendations.

      To the skeptics out there, I recommend that you try Gundry’s eating plan for one week and see how it works for you. It is working for me.

      Respectfully,
      Abe




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  53. Doctor Michael Greger, M.D.: Please provide a video statement evaluation of the following Doctor Gundry products (www.gundrymd.com): PREBIO THRIVE, Primal Plants, Vital Reds, and Lectin Shield. Also, please comment about “leaky gut”. Thanks




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  54. I vote “no” on more reactive videos for the reasons set out at the beginning of this video, there are thousands a research articles to be analyzed which could produce, and do produce value insight which expands the positive, documented, nutritional information available to this community and which is unlikely to be available to us from any other credible source.

    NF.org time and effort expended shooting down quacks is comparatively unproductive (though entertaining, I will admit). This is especially the case considering that those who have watch more than a few of the NF.org videos do not have real difficulty spotting charlatans. So I vote to go forward expand the knowledge base.




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  55. I do not have time right now to fully respond to this video, but for the record I am totally disappointed with Dr. Greger’s slanted “assessment” of Dr. Gundry’s work. I am also sick and tired of the “cherry-picking” style and convenient ignoring of conflicting facts that seems to be increasing in Dr. Greger presentations. Worst of all is the fact that you are turning people away from treatments that potentially offer healing and health to folks with chronic diseases, who have not found relief through the $tandard allopathic channels.




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  56. Thanks SO much for taking the time to comment on this. I saw Dr. Gundry on Dr. Mercola’s website and was very worried. I changed my diet dramatically to try to heal myself and am off of gluten and dairy. All I had left was legumes to add substance to all the vegetables I was eating; and, the highlight of my day was my morning bowl of non-GMO, gluten-free oats with seeds and nuts. Then I heard that beans are going to kill me, and the oats had to go, too. It was enough to make me give up entirely because I simply didn’t know what the heck to eat. I was thinking of an “air” diet but then I remembered all the toxins in the air.

    Now that you’ve answered this question, I have another request that will help people immensely–talk about Dr. Mercola’s Fat for Fuel. The only two doctors I get updates from daily are you and Dr. Mercola, and you are often at odds on diet. It’s very confusing. Coconut oil, grass-fed butter, ghee, eggs, animal fat, etc. Are there any studies showing that it wasn’t fat that was our enemy, it was sugar and carbs? Legitimate studies? Why don’t you both do a duke-it-out video each challenging the findings of the other on points you don’t agree on. Only then, when the dust has settled, will we laypeople, who trust you with our health, see the truth. You mention using vegetable oils, Dr. Mercola points out their fragile polysaccharide bonds and how they turn rogue in the body. I would love to clear up all this conflict of information and know finally what’s the right thing to do. I’m sure there are another million people out there that do too. Thanks.




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    1. Dr. Mercola invited Dr. Greger to make a video that will be linked at bottom of this post. The two communicated like long lost brothers who wisely decided to talk about what they agreed upon.
      There was much to be gleaned from that discussion. Instead of fueling a duke it out battle it is far better to watch their discussion and keep it in mind as each
      makes the case for the other components that are clearly at odds. I say this as a vegan physician for 35 years with nearly as much real world experience long before there was much exemplary evidence that my choice was in fact sustainable or healthy. We did not have instant internet access to information then.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIUjFXoV3iE




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  57. Yes, I would love for you to do more of these “reactive type” videos, or blog responses to posts by doctors, nutritionists, or what have you, that disdain WFPB diets and advocate in favor of high animal fat diets. In particular, I am talking about Dr. Mercola, who has a very large internet following, but there are others. They tend to dismiss YOU, Dr. Greger, as just some wacked-out vegan proponent, but I think you are absolutely spot-on in your analyses. The world needs to hear more from you in response to their postulations.You go, Dr. Greger! I love what you are doing!




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    1. “just some wacked-out vegan proponent”

      because of course non-violence towards ALL sentient beings and treating non-human animals the way you yourself wish to be treated is such an extreme and radical idea. just because some forms of violence are socially acceptable in no way makes them any less of an atrocity-in fact in some ways it makes them even worse.

      “If anyone says to you that you’re an animal rights extremist…thank them, and reply with the fact that they are animal wrongs extremists…it’s pretty extreme to pay someone (or do it yourself) to literally torture and kill innocent fellow sentient animals. Wake up folks, there is nothing extreme about not wanting to harm others. It’s our natural state. Most humans are misguided and indoctrinated into believing that cruelty is normal.”




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  58. Off the subject: I’ve click “like” on some of the posts, but noticed that on one or two of them what was previously a “one” jumped up to “3.” Also…very strange…another post that had a “1” jumped up to “6”! How did that happen? Somebody cookin’ the books or what?




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    1. YeahRight – people are weighing in at the same time you are – the computer updates every so-many seconds. So if 3 weight in at a similar time as you, then at the next update period 3 will register. If only 1 weights in at the weigh-in point, only 1 is registered. No book cooking . . its just how computers set to update.




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    2. Yeahright
      no i think it works , you can only vote once . There are a lot of people on here reading comments and no doubt other people were voting same time as you




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  59. Man, after listening to him on Mercola and other sites, I said to my self, there is nothing else to eat according to all of the different opinions out there! The last bit of disturbing info that I saw as a rebuttal on “What The Health” by Paul Chek on Youtube that shook me up a little when I heard him describe a reference in a book called “The Living Soil” by E.B. Balfour, (One of the original books on Organic Gardening from the 40’s) was that in 85% of plants, fungi in the soil provide the plant liquefied minerals in trade for sap by eating parasites it kills. WOW! Are plants carnivorous? Wholly, Moley, all vegans are bug eaters, heh heh heh….(This takes a smiling motorcycle rider to a whole new level) :)




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  60. Greger, check out this site. justmeat.co It was shared with me today by someone who eats JUST meat (or so they say) And he has been eating just meat for almost 2 years.




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    1. @Ryan Michael Harlow–
      Having checked out the site, “justmeat.co(m?)”, you also are free to check out nutritionfacts.org, as well. With nearly 1,800 incisive videos on the latest nutritional science, you cannot go wrong. And having done your homework, you will be able to hold your own in any cubicle or water-cooler debate about How Not to Die . (brazen hint– why not find this book at your local library, or buy a copy for yourself (it never becomes overdue).




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      1. I guess I understand the misinterpretation. To start, I have been following greger for almost 5 years now. I have been eating plant-based since beginning of 2013, too. Also the “/s” denotes sarcasm.

        I shared that site as there are some ridiculous items there. Maybe there is something that greger has not been presented with from the paleo world, that interests him? Im curious whats up with the vitamin C article. I skimmed the article, did not read it entirely.

        I share anti-plant info here and to other vegan spots when it is shared with me. I do the same in reverse. The carnivores are always less accepting. Every time I have shared something here or on other plant-based youtube channels, it is addressed. I have never had a meat eater address anything from this sphere that I share with them. Same thing happened today.
        They say, “go check out this site” so I do.
        I respond, “go watch these videos/check out site”
        ….”nah, i dont need any of your vegan propaganda,” they reply.




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        1. @Ryan Michael Harlow–
          Precisely– those with serious inquiry remain open and curious, even if constrained by lack of resources (including time), to review any and all points of view. Yet, clearly, not all points are of equal value.

          To the point you made, the “other side” of the debate is not interested in review of the facts, even if you are. (“By their fruits, you shall know them.”)

          At my own figurative watering hole, I found a link to Dr. Joseph Mercola and his enthusiasm for a high-fat diet, what he calls the “ketogenic diet”. The problem with Mercola is he believes he is called to become an evangelist, not merely a researcher. Sometimes, he reaches the correct inference, but his method also reveals serious overreach and multiplies major error, as in his growing infatuation with lipids. Even Mercola’s forums apply sanctions to those who disagree with him, and I have been asked explicitly by Mercola not to mention my enthusiasm for grains in the diet (I had suggested cultivation of grains probably saved humanity and helped generate modern urban civilization).

          For example, Mercola’s most recent enthusiasm is a growing media splash about the so-called PURE study (Prospective Urban Rural Epidemiology). Mercola joyfully concludes the study confirms his own emphasis on what he calls the “fat-burning diet”. Citing the study, Mercola claims, “high intakes of healthy fats — especially saturated fats — boost health and longevity.” And in that much, Mercola would return us, full circle, to Dr. Atkins.

          So, how to escape the continued public confusion about diet? Yes, more and better-focused research, to be sure. But that research is already available– at NutritionFacts.org, we have only to find that research on our doorstep..




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  61. .
    THE MEDIA PARADOX– HOW FALLACY AND FAKERY BECOME “FACT”
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    Dr. Steven Gundry’s book, The Plant Paradox, demonstrates the signature problem of modern communications networks– an abundance of voices and viewpoints, but a desperate need to filter out the “noise”. In today’s forum of ideas, anyone can enjoy five minutes of media fame, and at least a brief collective suspension of disbelief. Dr. Gundry, like Atkins and so many others, gets instant attention on the New York Times best seller list because he is an MD, and is supposed to speak with authority.

    And yet, we find our gatekeepers of public discourse either have abandoned their gates, or there is a conflict of interest, a clear dereliction of duty and/or professional incompetence at work. As Dr. Greger asks, in exasperation, “I mean, (Dr. Gundry’s thesis) is unbelievable. That’s the opposite of the truth. Add egg yolks to people’s diets, and (research shows) their cholesterol goes up. I mean, how dare he say (the opposite)? And, it’s not like some, you know, harmless foolishness like saying the Earth is flat or something. Heart disease is the #1 killer of men and women—this can actually hurt people. So much for my benefit of the doubt.”

    But now, Dr. Greger is moved to this plaintive plea, “We have a hard enough time just trying not to fall too far behind with (the latest nutritional research studies). Let me know what you think. Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?

    Although, at first, it may seem a good idea to expose nutritional quackery, there is an immediate problem– we also must create yet another division of effort at NutritionFacts.org, where resources are already stretched thin (please remember to donate– there are no billionaire donors to shoulder the burden)

    As the very name and mission of Nutrition Facts declares, it is the work of each of us to review the facts, to vet them for authority, and contribute in this forum our own findings, as well as questions. At its heart, Nutrition Facts becomes a collective effort– we take the foundation of Dr. Greger’s gift of specialized medical expertise, and create a commonwealth of nutrition research science.

    Future direction of Nutrition Facts resolves to a choice between joining the chaotic chorus of media voices, or concentrating on presenting the science with accuracy and authority. Almost all visitors to NutritionFacts.org arrive with the intention of reviewing the facts, rather than disputing or denying them. And helping establish those facts, as Dr. Greger points out repeatedly, remains his primary and life mission.




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    1. @Stewart–
      As you may have noticed already, this forum sometimes produces a helpful member with the answer to your question. However, finding the truth you seek usually involves sifting through the evidence.

      Fortunately for you, NutritionFacts.org is the right place to discover that evidence– try searching by topic for all matters related to lectins. You also can use any of the major search engines, including the newer “duckduckgo”. ( https://duckduckgo.com/search_box )

      Make connections between facts you may find elsewhere, and what you find (often summarized neatly) here. On NutritionFacts.org, you will find nearly 1,800 videos on every imaginable nutritionally-related topic, most of it the latest, first-line research.




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  62. I just wondered if Dr. Gregor and the team could comment on or review the recent ‘pure’ studies published in Lancet, especially the one from Dr. Dehghan. It seems to contradict the other article from Ms. Miller, in the same publication.

    Thank you to all of you for the great work that you do.




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  63. UGH! This whole thread reminds me of the expression “good trees bear good fruit”. IMO, we do not need the good doctor to become the pope of food. If it’s shit, it should smell like it; trust your nose, it always knows. From the sounds of it, some are listening rather than believing, there’s a difference and every one of you are to blame for this miracle. Not such a bad thing is it?

    Look at the thread above, those who wish to remain status quo do so with any number of excuses, as such they need to suffer the consequences of their actions before they see through the veil of BS – and there’s nothing wrong with that. When you come through the other side it’s real, solid, a firm foundation. Until then, most believe what they want and humans will bend any truth to suit their addictions. In other words, we see what we want to. Dr. G’s strongest characteristic thus far has been his ability to just present the facts through an honest review studies …with a hint of sarcasm of course!

    Let’s remember, opinions are like assholes, everyone’s got one and at this time, it seems, this is the best we’ve come up with in the social media age… an endless long winded editorial that does nothing to create dialogue but instead divides us into neat little groups of know-it-alls.




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  64. @Marcello Disanto said, “this is the best we’ve come up with in the social media age… an endless long winded editorial that does nothing to create dialogue but instead divides us into neat little groups of know-it-alls.”
    ————————–

    Having reached that conclusion about opinions, you nonetheless offered your own opinion as something of value to others. As if that contradiction were not glaring enough, and despite your belief the forum divides members into neat little groups of know-it-alls, you apparently believe somebody heard you.

    Unlike some forums, on Nutrition Facts, you are free to disagree, but by the same token, allow others to disagree with you. That, alone, is the best antidote to your despairing, but thoroughly unconvincing attempt at solipcism.




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  65. Hi, Doc Greger, I had not heard of this book, but I enjoyed and appreciate the video on this subject and all your work. I am hoping you might gross me out on the subject of plastics found in sea salt. As you’ve said, plastic (and its chems) is now ubiquitous in all life on this planet, including humans, birds, fish, etc. And it is also in sea salt. I know you are an advocate of a low or no salt diet. I have yet to stay off the stuff more than a couple months. Fasting, celery, vinegar, lemons, nutritional yeast, and onions helped. However, I still like soy sauce way too much. After reading your book How Not to Die, I am also going to try again letting go of stevia as well.

    Cheers, and Thank You :)




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  66. I’m wondering shouldn’t be a law that mandates that any book or any pubblication at all that lie to the public and writes things that can be hurtful to people health like this on Plant Paradox should be fact checked before being published? Then if they pass the fact check they could be approved for publishing and if they dont they should be banned from publishing it?




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  67. Dear Dr. Greger, dear truth-lovers, I am currently facilitating a Complete Health Improvement Program (CHIP) based on whole, unrefined, plant food in abundance, with exercise measured by a pedometer, stress-relieving strategies, rearranging of environment and so on. One of the participants is diabetic on treatment with poor glucose control. His blood glucose came down to normal on day nine! He ordered a large T-shirt for the graduation ceremony, now he wants a small one.
    Dr. Greger stands out because he cannot be blamed for a conflict of interest. To provide free evidence-based science is unbeatable, no matter what the industry can do. Therefore, it will be a good idea to stay away from debates with money-makers, because that will put your money against theirs, i.e. playing their game by their rules, and the outcome will be disastrous. It’s like playing a game of chess with the world champion – it seems fair, the board is the same, but you don’t have the skills and the means to win. You cannot answer all the attacks and all the claims and all the people who post rubbish in the cyberspace or the other media.
    Rather stick to what you do best, and if you cannot play chess at the level of the world champion, change the game to the one you know best how to play – like taking the chess board and slamming it onto the champion’s head.
    So, better not engage in answering false claims, rather bring the facts without prejudice or addressing the person or the book, or whatever it might be.




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  68. Dr. Greger:
    Awesome video!! I think, every now and then, it’s good to do this, especially when there is blatant misinformation. It’s a little “Dr. McDougall”-ish in that it’s slightly more “combative” than your usual video’s, but I think that’s fine in this case, especially when you see Dr. Gundry’s financial incentives.
    This is a real public service, just like all your video’s. Thanks again!




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  69. I think that all doctor cum dietician are correct from their point of view. Dr Greger is an expect on vegan, Dr Gundry is an expert on plant lectins, Dr Sinclair is an expert on longevity, & so on. When Dr Gundry crosses into another paradigm like cholesterol he buckles miserably.
    Dr Sinclair too got things wrong about reserveratol. Now he is espousing NMN.
    Nutrition is a wide & has multi factorial topics. Not one diet is universal as human genes differ slightly with each other. A lot of negative things happening to my body can be explained by Dr Gundry theory like why my weight can increase by 1 Kg per day, why however I diet my body weight goes to a set point of 85Kgs & my battles with diabetes,insulin & carbohydrates.
    I welcome Dr Gundry theories as an increment to human knowledge arsenal in the same way as plants have a chemical arsenal to block their predators.
    No one has the all encompassing single solution to human frailties. But I must say Dr Gundry theories are fascinating,amazing,new ,breathtaking & makes a lot of sense like when he says plants make lectins to protect its babies from the ultimate predator which is human. Even between humans we outwit each other daily to survive. What more a defence less plant that cannot move but it is programmed to propagate it’s species. It’s only weapon is lectins.
    But I must say that in biological ageing Dr Sinclair & Dr Greger are getting younger each day & Dr Gundry looks older every day.
    Dr Gundry is hiding his withered looks with multicolored eyes frames.




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  70. We were recently advised by a doctor to feed our toddler some oils (They suggested Coconut Oil or Avocado Oil) to help against eczema (He has mild to moderate eczema).
    We are not comfortable with this as we feed him a plant based diet .
    We would welcome any comments or feedback




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  71. This is a great video. I wish you’d do more like it with more evidence-based responses to popular studies that get a lot of press like the PURE study. This would be helpful because many people trying to follow a whole foods plant based diet get a lot of grief from family, friends, coworkers, etc about it and it would be nice for them to have something to point to and also to have some reassurances to carry on.




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  72. I Have lost my last 10 pounds of stubborn weight -and have never felt more clear headed and healthy ever -and I know it is because of the plant paradox – I will be a life time follower of Dr. Steven Gundry after following several diet methods this one worked and I feel great




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  73. Thank you! Please do more videos that combat misinformation. People are falling for things like this and need to know the truth. Keep up the good work you do!




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  74. Hi Dr. Gregor and the NutritionFacts team,

    First, thank you for all of the great work you do. My wife and I have read How Not to Die and implemented a large portion of your advice with good results.

    Next, I read The Plant Paradox several months ago and since reading it have eagerly anticipated your response, as I respect your opinion on all topics related to nutrition. However, I found your response to The Plant Paradox to be lacking in substance and encourage you to take a deeper look at the book and its core arguments. I have no issue whatsoever if you disagree with the diet, but I do feel Dr. Gundry presents a set of arguments that you did not address at all in this video, and instead this video attacks Dr. Gundry’s character and peripheral pieces of his diet. I will first review my understanding of The Plant Paradox, and then follow with support for my claim that you did not address the core components of the diet.

    The Plant Paradox Diet could be said to be a fusion of the traditional plant-based diet which recommends very little animal protein consumption (meats, poultry, fish, eggs, dairy) with a keto low-carb diet. The result is a diet relatively low in protein (in Phase 3 you level out at 20-40ish grams of protein), low in carbohydrates, and high in fats. The following link to a food pyramid summarizes this well (http://gundrymd.com/food-pyramid/), but the diet could be explained as occasional intermittent fasting while eating the following in the following order: leafy greens and cruciferous vegetables, “high quality” fats, nuts, non-wheat flours, sorghum, millet, resistant starches, small amounts (long-term <2oz) of wild-caught or pastured poultry, small amounts of in-season fruits, small amounts of certain dairy, very small amounts of red meat. Again, the diet is a largely plant-based with minimal animal protein. Or to marginally compare it with the diet proposed in How Not to Die, the book is also vastly plant based with huge emphasis on greens and cruciferous vegetables, but it has the following additive and reductive changes: inclusion of more certain of kinds of fats, limitations on all grains except sorghum and millet, limitations on fruit to limited in-season produce, slightly reduced legume intake (although not zero after pressure cooking), and very minor amounts of animal protein. It is worth noting here that Gundry says that eating no animal protein is probably the best way to go, and gives plenty of vegan options. My point is that if you match up the actual content of this diet with How Not to Die, there a very large degree of overlap. Your response does not seem to indicate you realize this.

    The video presented the following arguments:

    -You say the diet recommends not eating beans which are one of the healthiest foods, but The Plant Paradox says pressure-cooked beans can be included in the diet in Phase 3 (the long-term stage).

    -You say that tomato juice shows anti-inflammatory results, but The Plant Paradox would not have an issue with many tomato juices in Phase 3. The Plant Paradox, in Phase 3, reintroduces many of the foods it previously restricted, as a means of testing if an individual has lectin sensitivity. Most folks do not have these extreme sensitivities, and after gradually adding and testing whether these foods cause issues, the majority of people would be able to drink tomato juice.

    -You presented a series of attacks on Gundry’s line of supplements. I’m not personally interested at all in Gundry’s line of products and find the pricing to be excessive, but it is unclear to me how this business of selling products has any bearing on the accuracy of his overall message. Dr. Gregor has associations that call into question his objectivity too, but part of objective analysis is leaving character attacks and opinions at the door. Many of us come to NutrionFacts for objective analysis of nutritional data – not the staff’s opinion of other humans.

    -You point out his argument regarding shellfish and egg yolks is supported by a research article that is a questionable in the conclusion that can be drawn about cholesterol. However, The Plant Paradox suggests people eat 0 to 2 ounces of animal protein per day long-term. So I understand you are calling into question Dr. Gundry’s research, but you seem to have spent an inordinate amount of time focused on analyzing this one particular argument that is extremely marginal in the diet, as Dr. Gundry himself would not advocate eating limitless eggs and seafood. In fact, he agrees with you that eating limited amounts of these foods is ideal. Your focus on this point seems to indicate you did not read the book, otherwise you would not have focused so much on this point and said “How dare he say this, and it’s not some harmless foolishness”. He did not say to eat lots of this sort of food.

    After watching this video, and the following video on lectins (which also seems to only superficially address The Plant Paradox’s claims about what lectins do and specifically how it says to deal with them, as I noted above you can eat pressure-cooked legumes), it seems to me that you dismissed this book out of hand without a real understanding of what it is. Truthfully, I found this a little disappointing. I eagerly awaited your review of this diet, and was hoping for you to discuss the science behind some of the major claims and components of the diet. A useful refutation of the diet would include something like the following:

    “Dr. Gundry’s The Plant Paradox presents a method of eating that blends components of plant-based low fat diets with components of high fat ketogenic diets. The primary claims of the book involve the role of the gut in the diet, with an emphasis on the role lectins play in disrupting the body’s various systems, frequently characterized by autoimmune inflammatory issues. While the argument makes sense on the surface, there is a lack of established research showing the negative results from the consumption of lectins (specifically the ones Dr. Gundry defined) in the majority of individuals. Further, there is a lack of evidence that eating grains (as opposed to resistant starches) results in any inflammation or metabolic syndrome. Finally, there is no evidence that consuming large amounts of the “good fats” serves to address mitochondrial fatigue in individuals suffering diabetes, kidney failure, certain cancers, kidney failure, and more. Actually, these fats can be harmful as characterized by the increased risk of heart disease and cancers.”

    This is the quality of response I was hoping to see. Instead, I saw a response that attacked the author’s character, mischaracterized his arguments, and argued with minor or irrelevant parts of the diet. Your response seems to miss what The Plant Paradox is really about.

    While I have no issue with you strongly disagreeing with the claims of The Plant Paradox, it seems to me that your response to the diet is weak and does a disservice to your readers. I strongly encourage you to give the book a detailed reading and to provide further videos analyzing Dr. Gundry’s claims. A lot of folks, including myself, greatly respect this website’s work, but you do damage do your credibility when you strongly criticize something while showing a limited understanding of it.

    I would also encourage you to reconsider the personal attacks on Dr. Gundry. It seems to me that Dr. Gundry’s credentials, work history, and current work clearly place him outside of “quack doctor” territory. With that said, he does make very bold claims in his book about the issues he has treated in his patients using The Plant Paradox. Unless you are willing to call the patient treatment claims he makes lies, I suggest holding back the personal attacks in the interest of retaining your objectivity and credibility. These sorts of attacks on another professional greatly diminish your credibility in my eyes, and I am sure I am not the only one.

    -Dave




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    1. Dave Rottman: I really appreciated reading your post. It is a great example of how to disagree with someone and start a dialog. Also, I learned a lot about Dr. Gundry’s book from reading your post. For the most part, I don’t agree with you, but I wanted you to know that I think it is a very good post. I’m happy you took the time to write all that out. You may not appreciate my response, but I decided to take the time to address your points.

      First, I can sympathize with your complaint. I agree that Dr. Greger did not do the type of review that you were looking for. I agree that the type of review you are looking for would be nice to have from somewhere. We have those types of reviews for other fad books, and I refer people to those reviews when the topic comes up. However, note that those types of comprehensive point-by-point book reviews come from other sources/sites. My opinion is that the video formats on this site do not really allow for that type of review. Instead, I would argue that Dr. Greger did a good job of addressing key points in the format (short videos and short blogs) allowed on this site, including a continuation of the subject in two following videos. I consider that a reasonable approach for this site.

      I got a kick out of reading your paragraph where you summarize what you think would have been a good review from Dr. Greger. I kind of feel like you answered your own wish. I get what you are saying in terms of wishing Dr. Greger had actually laid out his argument just like that, but I wanted to point out that those point you raise are addressed either here on this video and/or elsewhere on this site.

      You gave us your interpretation of this NutritionFacts video. Here is mine.

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      My Summary Of The NutritionFacts Video:

      Starts with a characterization of the book as, “The Hidden Dangers in “Healthy” Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain”—foods like beans, and whole grains, and tomatoes. Why? Because of lectins…” Seems like a reasonable characterization of the book since it is a quote plus a list of foods that the book lists as dangerous or needing care when eating.

      Dr. Greger then goes on to directly address a flaw in this main premise. If lectins really are bad, then the science would show that eating foods high in lectins is a health-detriment. For example, you would see that eating beans is generally unhealthy. But we don’t see a problem with beans in the science. The video points out that we see the opposite. This critique is a legitimate, on-target and high quality point backed by evidence. You think it matters that beans are allowed by Dr. Gundry in phase 3–if cooked a certain way. But Dr. Greger’s evidence seems to show that that type of care isn’t necessary. Dr. Greger’s evidence shows that people shouldn’t just be allowed to eat beans, but encouraged to eat beans. And grains. This is a direct counter point to the book’s claims.

      The video then talks about Dr. Gundry’s conflict of interest. I consider it incredibly relevant that Dr. Gundry makes money off of selling anti-lectin supplements. Just because individuals such as yourself do not have to buy those supplements doesn’t mean that Dr. Gundry doesn’t have an inherent, huge conflict of interest. That’s a hugely relevant point. That’s important to keep in mind. It’s just one part of the big story. Maybe it doesn’t impact Dr. Gundry’s conclusions. However, a financial conflict of interest is important to know about. Conflicts of interest can impact someone’s opinions. Further, this conflict of interest paints a picture when taken in context with the other elements of the situation–such as Dr. Gundry’s main premise not being backed up by the science.

      The last part of the video looks at the first citation of the book. You consider this a matter of Dr. Greger spending an inordinate amount of time on a side point of the book. I consider this to be a very valid approach. Dr. Greger looked at the **FIRST** citation in the book. And not just the first citation, but a citation reporting to back a bold, broad claim about the health impact of what some people consider to be major foods. When checked, that first citation did not back up Dr. Gundry’s claim. (Even more, there is a ton of science to show the very opposite of Dr. Gundry’s claim.) People are impressed with books that have a lot of citations. I think it is important that books have on nutrition have a lot of citations. But people assume that those citations actually back up the claims in the book. A review of a book that points out that the citations do not back up claims is extremely relevant/part of a good review.

      Admittedly, no one is right about everything and maybe Dr. Gundry just got that one bit wrong. But if Dr. Gundry is going to produce a book that makes health claims, he has a responsibility double check and triple check his claims and sources. That’s what Dr. Greger did with his book, including having a whole team of researchers besides himself to make sure claims in How Not To Die are legit. I consider it quite legitimate to look at the first link of the first big claim of a book and see if the author did due diligence. If not, then why should we believe that anything Dr. Gundry says has merit? Especially if we can look at a ton of science showing beans and grains as health-promoting?

      In the doctor’s note on this page just under the video, Dr. Greger acknowledges that he didn’t fully/properly cover the topic of lectins and that he would get to covering lectins in more detail in the next two videos. Again, this is a limitation of the format of NutritionFacts. It seems like it might be premature to be disappointed until you see the next two videos.

      That’s the video that I saw. My opinion is that the video is a reasonable review of Dr. Gundry’s book in the small amount of time available.

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      Some additional thoughts:

      You mention a high-fat aspect to Dr. Gundry’s diet. NutritionFacts has addressed super-high fat diets in other videos/pages on this site. My understanding is that Dr. Greger will be addressing diets that are so high fat that they put a person in ketosis in future videos. Hopefully you will find those videos more helpful.

      You are not the first person on this page to feel that Dr. Greger impugned Dr. Gundry’s character. After reading your post, I put on my “open mind, critical hat” and went back through the video carefully to look for that problem. I honestly didn’t see it. Dr. Greger points out that being a doctor in and of itself does not make one qualified to have opinions about nutrition. Dr. Greger is talking about himself as much as anyone else and is just rehashing a point he has made several times on this site. The only other point I could see people balking on is pointing out Dr. Gundry’s conflict of interest. As I explained above, a conflict of interest is a valid and important point that must be made. I keep the same concern in mind when I read Dr. Fuhrman’s books and articles since he sells supplements and food too.

      Lastly, I want to address your point: What about all those people who say they have been helped by Dr. Gundry? Is Dr. Gundry lying? I don’t know what is going on there, but even if you want to give the testimonials the benefit of the doubt, here are some thoughts: According to your post, Dr. Gundry’s advice does a lot to help people clean up their diet. (Ie: As you point out, there is a lot of overlap with a general whole plant food diet and Dr. Gundry’s diet.) Just like with the paleo people, Dr. Gundry’s people are advised to get rid of most of the junk food and cut back on or eliminate dairy. It seems reasonable to me that a lot of people might be helped just taking that first step. It doesn’t mean that Dr. Gundry’s diet is generally backed by solic science or that people following it are maximizing their chances of being healthy long term. It could just mean that they took a step in the right direction and are noticing some good results up-front. The fear, the same fear one would have with the paleo diet, is whether the short term good results will turn into long term good results. I think we will learn more about that potential issue when Dr. Greger addresses the topic of ketosis.

      Another thought I had was that Dr. Greger is typically looking for recommendations for the general population. Those recommendations do not always apply at the individual level. For example, peanuts are healthy for most people and the science shows that. But if Jane has a peanut allergy, then peanuts are unhealthy for Jane. Maybe something is going on similarly with lectins where they are healthy for most people, but some people have a bad reaction. So, for those people, extra care/careful cooking is needed when eating certain foods like beans. Maybe the testimonials and Dr. Gundry’s experience is about those people. I don’t know if that hypothesis is true or not. I’m just saying that it seems like it *could* be true. And it might explain why Dr. Greger comes to one conclusion (since he is focusing on the general population) and Dr. Gundry is coming to another conclusion (since he is focusing on a minority in the general population).

      The question is, is there science to back up this idea? Just like we have science to show us that people can be allergic to peanuts? I don’t know. But I eventually decided that the point is irrelevant. Here is what I think is the key: Is Dr. Gundry super careful in his book to make clear that beans and grains are perfectly healthy for most people and not to worry? Does Dr. Gundry say that only if people think that they are part of the minority, then they might try pressure cooking beans…etc. ? Or does Dr. Gundry leave a different impression for people? Look at the sub-title: “The hidden dangers in “healthy” foods that cause disease and weight gain.” He puts the word “healthy” in quotes, implying beans and grains are not generally healthy. He says these foods cause disease and weight gain right there on the cover. We know both of those claims are untrue. For example, I’ve taken a deep dive into what foods cause weight gain, and it isn’t beans. Dr. Greger has showed us that eating beans and grains generally leads to healthful outcomes–not disease. Dr. Gundry lost any hope of credibility or being deserving of the benefit of the doubt right there on the cover.

      While I don’t share your disappointment in this video, I really did appreciate your post. I doubt my reply will satisfy you, but I wanted to share an alternative view with you.




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    2. I didn’t read your whole response but am glad you took the time to disagree here. I posted a longer response below of my impressions of this video, but I feel that this presenter is completely wrong about The Plant Paradox. I am an RN who read the book in early May and began applying it with myself and several of my patients and friends with incredible results (where nothing else had worked). As you stated, this post/video was completely misinformed and assumption-based, rather than truly knowledgeable about what Dr. Gundry is doing. He is incredibly knowledgeable, inspiring, and has devoted the second half of his career to nutrition (unlike the video presenter assumed/attacked unfairly). Anyhow, my life has changed from this book, and many people with chronic diseases I know who are applying it are finding complete reversal.




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    3. Dave,

      Thank you for your well communicated response. I appreciate the thoughtfulness in your explanation of the positive elements of this book.

      I also read Plant Paradox, and I felt that the summary by Dr. Greger was misleading and incomplete. And I am a Greger fan and I love this website!

      Respectfully,
      Abe




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  75. Hello,

    Thank you for the wonderful and informative videos!

    I was wondering if it is possible to please get any advice concerning books such as ‘The Acid Watchers’ and ‘Dropping Acid’ in regards to managing GERD. I am always sceptical of books proclaiming to have the cure for any condition, but I am still struggling with GERD (despite following a mostly WFPB and always vegan diet) and the advice in the books (to eat only low-acid foods) does seem to help… this has involved eliminating tomatoes and many fruits.

    Please note: I am already following the advice given in previous videos for heartburn/reflux on this site

    Any advice massively appreciated!

    Thanks :)




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  76. Your question: Would you rather I do more of these reactive-type videos?
    No, no and no! Thanks to your live presentation back in 2009 here in Miami, I gradually changed my diet to plant based, I’m so proud, and have been passing the message along incessantly. Please keep doing what your doing and leave the gossip aside. I would not donate anymore if you started doing reactive work. It would be a no brainer waste of time for the kind of reader that just wants to find excuses to keep eating junk.
    Thank you!




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  77. I’m glad you weighed in on this book because earlier this week Dr. Mercola was promoting the book through his news letter. It had me wondering a bit about all the beans and whole grains I eat. I was hoping and thought it was BS.




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    1. Read my post below if you wish. I have had incredible success with this book/approach and this video author is wrong about Dr. Gundry. He is also wrong about what he thinks the book is about. It’s an AMAZING and true book! I’m applying it with my patients (I’m an RN) and myself with incredible results.




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  78. Please don’t lower your standards, Dr. Gregor. I’m a HUGE fan of your work and listen faithfully, but this one didn’t feel too good. Trashing someone else’s work doesn’t help your cause, in my opinion. It’ll set you up for unnecessary battles and disunity.




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    1. Amen. I felt the same way! His approach in this video undoes any credibility he may have had with people like me. Plus (read my post below) he is WRONG about this one.




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  79. Well Dr Gregor, I hate to do this to you, but I would love it if you could comment on David Seaman’s recent book, The Deflame Diet. He is NOT an MD but is a DC, and while we chiropractors tend to know a bit more a bit more about nutrition than MDs, most of us are not experts. But Dr. Seaman does have an MS in nutrition and has been writing about it (mostly articles written for health professionals) for 25 years. While as a lifelong vegetarian (mostly vegan) I disagree with some parts of his approach, I find his writing mostly valuable and compelling and well-referenced, even tho some of his basic recommendations are completely opposite yours (and I find your work very valuable & compelling also). The key area of agreement between you 2 is that what he calls “dietary crack,”–sugar, refined grains, trans fats, refined omega-6 seed oils and grain flour products–underlie much disease and pain. From there you diverge and I’d greatly value your comments.




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  80. This video has the attitude of many closed-minded, ill-informed, assumption-based people today who close down a conversation with no real understanding of it. I am a nurse (RN, BSN) who has had incredible results with Dr. Gundry’s Plant Paradox both for myself and my patients (even though I’ve only been using it for 5 months now). I am watching it reverse chronic pain and disease in ways that nothing else could.

    By 40 seconds into this video, I had already identified 3 untruths about what Dr. Gundry is promoting. He may be making money, but who gives up a lucrative, prestigious heart surgeon career to become a restorative doctor through NUTRITION (unlike the video author proposes) unless he is passionate about something because it works? Dr. Gundry is humble, inspiring, and has spent years applying nutrition studies to his patients and they have changed their lives. Don’t believe this closed-minded, WRONG opinion/assumption presented in this video. Read and apply The Plant Paradox for yourself. It really works! I have seen it reverse diabetes, high blood pressure, metabolic resistance, chronic pain, and it is even reversing advanced Parkinson’s on one of my patients. It is beneficial for auto-immune disease as well as chronic diseases that plague our country.




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  81. Just chiming in to respond to your question of whether or not you should do more videos like this one… I vote YES! Thanks for ALL you do!
    Love,
    Liam




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  82. I have great regard for Dr Greger, but he too sometimes “cherry picks” the scientific literature. I think it’s important to note:

    1) Dr Gundry recommends a plant-based diet, with animal protein used as a “condiment”. If one has a serious illness (cancer, auto-immune, etc), he recommends no animal protein at all. So the number of eggs consumed, for example, would not be enough to increase CHD according to any number of valid studies (Harvard School of Public Health has conducted many, easily “googleable”). Also, the study Dr Greger cites regarding egg consumption and cholesterol, clearly states that it is an association with eggs not a cause…just sayin’.
    2) As for the lectin issue, there is very little research out there on lectins and their relationship to inflammation. Dr Gundry does see patients and thus does have some valid incite into what alleviates auto immune illnesses, cancer, neurodegenerative conditions, etc., and removing lectins–among other changes–apparently has helped improve the health of his patients (unless one is accusing him of fabricating his patients’ experiences?). He uses inflammatory blood markers (hsCRP is one of the tests) to track his patients’ response to diet–just about no one does this! It’s also important to note that peeling and de-seeding plants high in lectins (nightshades) eliminates them. He states frequently that Italians always do this with tomatoes (I can vouch for that!)–which is why tomato sauce and tomato juice are not a problem. As for beans, when they are cooked in a pressure cooker, the lectins are destroyed (soaking and fermenting also helps to remove them)…canned Eden brand beans are in fact pressure cooked. He also points out that cultures who consume daily amounts of lectins, as beans, seem to have a micro biome that has “evolved” to deal with lectins and thus inflammation does not occur. FYI, partially cooked beans are responsible for a large percentage of food poisoning incidents yearly. This research investigated lectin toxicity:
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1933252/
    3) Some have asked about starch (sweet potatoes are a thumbs up). Dr Gundry encourages numerous forms of starch, both for fiber, prebiotic effect, and of course, nutrient content. He also recommends healthy fats (nuts, olive oil, avocados ) but not seeds or seed oils (so-called vegetable oils which are highly processed) or any grains or their derivatives….well maybe a little rice!

    I have no affiliation with Dr Gundry, but I do not agree that he is “nutritionally uneducated”, nor that his primary goal is profit. Yes, he has products to sell but he always gives the Trader Joe/Costco alternatives for these.




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  83. Dear Dr. Greger,

    I’ve been a low fat plant based since my heart attack 6 years ago. And I thank you for NutritionFacts.org and the useful information you continue to provide.

    I immensely enjoyed your takedown of Dr. Grundy. Medical charlatans need to be hauled into the sunlight. But, despite the pleasure it gave me, I fear that in doing so on a regular basis you may do damage to your purpose and reputation as a fair arbiter and summarizer of the current research. These ongoing debates about diet are bound to suck at your energy and muddy the waters you’re working hard to clarify. So, while it seems to me useful to show what is wrong with the latest Diet Doc’s tenets, it is not useful TO YOUR PURPOSE to call him out for cockeyed ways and his lotions and supplements–as much fun and as cathartic as it may be.




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  84. I knew when I first saw this book on YouTube it was bull. I knew because I had seen several of your truthful, factual videos on this website and on YouTube. Thank you for providing the truth about much needed nutritional facts. As to your question, please continue to debunk everything that comes out from Dr. Grundy and any other so called health professional like him. Keep up the good work Dr. Greger.




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  85. I enjoyed hearing this video – I think debunking this kind sort of misinformation is important. I especially liked the way you proved him to be spreading misinformation by explaining what was wrong with his citation Have you ever seen the Soy Alert and the silly studies that are put forth on the Weston Price website? Even me, a lay person, can tell that those supposed studies are nonsense.




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  86. Stick to what you’re doing, you don’t need anymore negativity the world has to offer and I believe that if you start addressing all the misleading doctors out there, you’ll burn yourself out. You are making a huge impact already with what you’re doing. I’m glad you are addressing the lectins. I’ll be seeing you this October in San Diego. My brother in Texas is really worried about these lectins. Now I have more information to share with him. Keep up the good work!




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  87. Greetings! Last week i received in my email from MEDSCAPE a very controversial study that is causing a lot of conflic in the nutritional field. Please could you analyze and if possible react to this ??? Thank you very much
    this is the name of the study ;
    “Associations of fats and carbohydrate intake with cardiovascular disease and mortality in 18 countries from five continents (PURE): a prospective cohort study

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/884937
    http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32252-3/fulltext




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  88. PLEASE continue to debunk false claims such as those of Dr. Grundy. There are so many out there, I and many others get very confused: are potatoes fattening? Do they lead to diabetes? Is coconut oil healthy? etc.




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    1. Hi Addison this is Dr. Daniela Sozanski, PhD, Functional Medicine practitioner in Atlanta, GA and Moderator for Nutritionfacts. Let me try to answer your questions one by one. Are potatoes fattening? … Potatoes are a starchy vegetables, in the high glycemic category, that is true. However, a lot of food can be fattening if not eaten in moderation. For a healthy person, of normal weight, one potato now and then will probably not mean any trouble. Are some potatoes more preferable than others? Yes, purple and sweet potatoes are more nutritious, still they need to be consumed in moderation. Do potatoes lead to diabetes? Diabetes is a disease of fat toxicity and associated with obesity. So any form of caloric excess, leading to obesity could also lead to diabetes. Is coconut oil healthy? In the light of latest and not so new research, the answer is not quite. Neither coconut oil, nor milk are recommended for diets protective against heart disease. Coconut itself, due to its high content in fiber, was shown to be a healthier alternative. Please watch the video https://nutritionfacts.org/video/what-about-coconuts-coconut-milk-and-coconut-oil-mcts/ for important information. I hope this helps, Daniela




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  89. Thank you dr. Greger what is very informative nutritional fact. I’m going to share this with my Facebook friends because I’m sure they would like to know the truth about nutrition. Even though all my friends are vegan they can share it with their non-vegan family and friends.
    Ironically dr. Gundry’s surname is rooted with what people use to commit suicide. LOL




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  90. Dr Gundry does not prohibit beans, he only requires they be pressure cooked first. For me personally he was right about one thing for sure- quinoa should b pressure cooked first! I am nauseous for hours followed by throwing up when I eat it.

    Also, Egg yolks and Butter are helping me lose weight-10 pounds this summer! They are helping me reduce my sugar intake from flavored yogurts and my carbs from cereals in the morning! I would have lost more weight if I could’ve reduced sugar further but I haven’t entirely………I think saturated fat is great and sugar, hidden sugars, and even juices are the health culprit-although very delicious.

    Remember folks that bread and crackers are not whole grains- they are crushed up grains as Dr Gundry says…………both experts here are in favor of eating garden vegetables, lectins or not. Its mostly the people with immune and gut disorders, as well as allergies that are really benefiting from Dr Gundry”s book. Folks with diabetes like my mom tremendously benefit from avoiding sugars even from healthy fruit- watermelon,dates, beets, even carrots are healthy for us but not for them.

    My husband has a gut issue and had a form of IBS. His diarrhea stopped as soon as he cut out potatoes, corn, bread, and other starches that don’t seem to give me any problem whatsoever. Resistant starches are also a no-no for him right now, although Gundry encourages resistant starches like tubers and kassava=(“miracle noodles”) on his diet, so we did not use his diet and used the “Specific carbohydrate diet” instead- a diet which stopped his diarrhea, and now he could even cheat a little bit. It has stopped the symptoms of Krohns disease for so many and I recommend it to people with gut disorders.

    “One man gathers what another man spills”……………………………




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  91. I would like to know if lectins are really out there and are harmful if eaten. This Dr. Gundry has good background, but do you think this is true? I eat a lot of veggies all kinds. We grow a organic garden aNd I love the tomatoes…eat about a half bushel a season, raw, seeds, and skins. Should I not? Confushed/?//




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  92. Could Dr. Greger do a comprehensive analysis/rebuttal of keto diets? A lot of poorly interpreted studies and contradictory data is being used in arguments.
    Not just low-carb, but keto – with regard to their claims about blood sugar balance, appetite reduction and mental clarity.

    Thank you in advance.




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  93. Thanks for your question Hannah,

    According to the latest published review on the topic, it appears that a ketogenic diet is not safe and have been associated with a adverse effects such as insulin resistance.

    the other issue is what the types of food a ketogenic diet contains, if it’s mainly composed of animal protein and fat, it’s not going to a optimal diet for human health (see here). Also, by cutting out on carbohydrates, people may be missing out on important foods and nutrients.

    Hope this answer helps.

    Hope this answer helps.




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  94. I believe a good mix of reactive-type and peered reviewed videos would deliver a powerful message, especially with Dr. Greger’s wonderful format.




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  95. I need serious help. I don’t know what to do. I’m hoping someone out there (Dr. Greger would be amazing) can shed some light here. I’m 40 years old, and have struggled with high cholesterol and triglycerides for some time. About 5 month ago, I switched to an entirely vegan diet, with zero animal products whatsoever. My diet focuses predominantly on fruits and vegetables, as well as healthy grains and beans. I try to limit any sort of white or processed sugar or flour, but haven’t eliminated it entirely. I almost never eat “dessert” unless that is berries or fruit. I’ve added ground flax to most of what I eat. I eat a Brazil nut daily. I’ve followed almost everything Dr. Greger set forth in How Not To Die. I’m very active with running being my primary source of exercise. I recently had my first blood labs done since I started this lifestyle 5 months ago. They have never been worse in my life. My cholesterol was 309. My triglycerides were a whopping 579. Eating meat and dairy never gave me these sort of results (though they weren’t ever good). I’ll say I was put on a statin about 7 months ago, but stopped taking it once I went completely plant based. I’m at the end of my rope. Even though I’ve lost 20 pounds, my labs show I’ve never been more unhealthy in my life. How can I be more unhealthy after a plant based diet? How could my cholesterol still be over 300 without so much as having a gram of cholesterol in the past 4 months? I’m desperate here. I loved everything about being vegan but if it’s killing me worse than my previous diet, I can’t go on. Someone help me.




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  96. Hi Jason Ellis,
    thank you for your comment and your story. I am one of the volunteer moderators at the website. I can understand your frustration that inspirte of changing your dietary habits toward whole plant based food your lab results have not improved. I would suggest you see a local dietitian who can take time to get a medical and diet history to get a better understanding of your dietary habits and lifestyle. You might like to reassess your life style habits and also check your vitamin D level and B12 level to make sure you are in normal level for these important vitamins. I hope this is useful to you and I wish you good health.




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