How to Prevent the Next Pandemic

How to Prevent the Next Pandemic
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We need to reform the food system before it’s too late.

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Infectious diseases are emerging globally at an unprecedented rate. Literally hundreds of new pathogens have emerged and re-emerged over the last few decades, and what we eat is responsible for most of the new diseases that have jumped from animals to humans.

In response to the torrent of emerging zoonotic (animal-to-human) diseases, three of the world’s leading authorities—the World Health Organization, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE)—held a joint consultation to determine the key underlying causes. First on their list was the “Increasing demand for animal protein.”

The greatest swords of Damocles dangling are the H5 and H7 bird flu viruses blanketing much of the earth. A bird flu pandemic could be devastating, given their current upwards of Ebola-like flip-of-the-coin death rates. Given that the emergence of these deadly bird flu viruses, H5N1 and H7N9, are “linked to intensification of the poultry sector,” there have been calls for the “de-industrialization of animal production”––for example, as suggested here in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, “replacing large industrial units with smaller units with lower stocking densities,” potentially resulting in less stress, less disease susceptibility, less intense infectious contact, and smaller infectious loads. Maybe they’re the ones that could use a little social distancing.

The American Public Health Association, the largest and oldest association of public health professionals in the world, has called for a moratorium on factory farming for nearly two decades now. Maybe COVID-19 is the dry run we needed, the fire drill to awake us from our complacency and reform the food system before it’s too late.

But if, as the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations visualized it, the next pandemic starts with “increased demand for poultry products,” before ending up with human-to-human transmission, maybe we need to move beyond just giving these animals some more breathing room. This editorial in the journal of the American Public Health Association goes beyond just calling for a deintensification of poultry industry, questioning the prudence of raising so many animals for food in the first place. “It is curious, therefore [given the pandemic threat], that changing the way humans treat animals—most basically, ceasing to eat them or, at the very least, radically limiting the quantity of them that are eaten—is largely off the radar as a significant preventive measure. Such a change, if sufficiently adopted or imposed, could still reduce the chances of the much-feared influenza epidemic. It would be even more likely to prevent unknown future diseases that, in the absence of this change, may result from farming animals intensively and killing them for food. Yet humanity [doesn’t even] consider this option.”

However, thanks to food innovations, this may be changing. Have you looked in the dairy case at the supermarket lately? Some of America’s largest dairy producers have recently filed for bankruptcy due to the constellation of new consumer choices.

I was peripherally involved in the largest meat recall in human history. Remember the footage of the cows getting forklifted? A hidden-camera investigation at a California slaughter plant for “spent” dairy cows led to the recall of nearly 150 million pounds of beef for violations of food safety rules meant to protect the public from mad cow disease. Downed dairy cows—too sick to even walk—were being dragged to slaughter with chains into the federal school lunch program. You don’t have to worry about contaminated cattle brains in your oat milk, though.

Plant-based milks are a no-brainer.

But, you can see what I’m saying. Yes, you can pass public health regulations to stop the cannibalistic feeding of slaughterhouse waste to dairy cows—or, you can just provide the public better alternatives, and let the market eliminate the risk entirely, because there’s no prions in plants.

HIV/AIDS likely arose from people slaughtering primates. 30 million people wouldn’t be dead right now if we were eating meals from bushes instead of bushmeat. We can’t get coronaviruses from cauliflower. There is no flu in falafel production, no matter how tightly you crowd the balls together. What I am saying is our food choices don’t just affect our personal health, but our global health. Not just in terms of climate change, but in terms of stifling pandemic risk.

There has been a tremendous surge in interest in diversified protein sources, given the increasing consensus that reduced meat consumption is critical for addressing both the climate crisis and our burgeoning epidemics of lifestyle diseases. Eating less meat may not only help save the world, but could help prevent the loss of more than ten million human lives a year. To their credit, in 2016, the Chinese government recommended its citizens cut their meat consumption in half, in part to reduce their growing rates of chronic disease. A completely plant-based diet might reap $30 trillion from the health benefits alone, and that would be just from the lowered rates of chronic diseases like cancer, heart disease, and type 2 diabetes––not even factoring in the decreased catastrophic pandemic risk. What we eat doesn’t just affect our personal health, but our global health in more ways than one.

Making healthier choices could also help mediate the next coronavirus epidemic, not only at the source by sidestepping wet markets, but by also decreasing the rates of co-morbidities found to increase the risk in all the deadly coronaviruses: SARS, MERS, and COVID-19. Consider the underlying risk factors for COVID-19 severity and death: obesity, heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes and chronic pulmonary disease. “In virtually all studies, vegetable protein is superior to animal protein [in terms of] lower rates of heart disease and type 2 diabetes and lower blood pressure than animal protein.” Here’s a meta-analysis published a few months ago on diabetes risk and animal protein consumption. For hypertension, meat, including poultry, may contribute to a higher risk of high blood pressure. Meat may even be associated with impaired lung function, increasing the risk of lung diseases like emphysema.

The same diet that can help you survive this pandemic can also help prevent the next. So, instead of propping up the meat industry to the tune of a 100 million taxpayer dollars a month, and forcing meat plants to stay open, pandemic proof your diet. Thankfully, expanded options are now hitting the meat case as well. No longer a niche market for vegetarians, major meat producers have started blending in vegetable proteins to make hybrid meat products, like Perdue’s chicken plus nuggets, or Tyson’s “Whole Blends” sausage links. Smithfield, the world’s largest pork producer, recently debuted an entire line of plant-based products. Hormel has a new plant-based line too; the purveyors of SPAM now believe in the power of plants. Check out this headline from a few weeks ago: “KFC to roll out Cargill’s plant‐based chicken across China.” Talk about a cultural revolution. And, we’re not talking about Tofurkey. Cargill is America’s largest private corporation, and one of the biggest meat packers in the world.

How many fewer curly-tailed viral mixing vessels are there now that Dunkin’ Donuts has a meat-free breakfast sausage? How many fewer hens are packed beak-to-beak now that egg-free mayo has taken the sandwich spread sector by storm? Quorn, a brand of meat-free meat made from the mushroom kingdom, opened a single facility that can produce the meat equivalent of twenty million chickens per year. These products may not be the healthiest from a personal standpoint— a doughnut sandwich without pork is still a doughnut sandwich—but hey, swap in an egg-free omelette from Tim Hortons and from a pandemic standpoint? Zero risk.

Doesn’t necessarily have to be plants, though. In this review on food systems in the era of the coronavirus, they noted that “researchers are seeking alternative protein sources everywhere.” Can’t think of any possible alternative to cow’s milk? How about cockroach milk? I mean, you think almond milk is nuts? How about some of this on your corn flakes? Could be healthier than cow’s milk, and hey, no lactose, no dairy allergy problems. An important alternative. I mean I can’t imagine anything else you can make milk out of. And gluten-free too! The only downside, evidently, was the flavor, but the researchers—perhaps funded by Big Bug?—chalked this up to fact that the judges knew there were cockroaches in the bread; and so, they were all just biased. Hmmm, I think I’ll stick with the plants.

But if you’re like: “you’ll have to pry that pork chop from my cold, dead hands,” we may be able to have our meat and eat it too. An even more innovative approach to pandemic prevention was suggested by Winston Churchill in 1932. In an article in Popular Mechanics entitled “Fifty Years Hence,” he predicted that “[w]e shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.”

And indeed, the prediction is becoming a reality. Instead of taking a cutting from a plant and growing vegetables, you’re taking a sample from an animal, and growing meat. Potentially lots of meat––like maybe a billion pounds from a single sample. Indeed, in terms of efficiency, growing meat straight from muscle cells could reduce greenhouse gas emissions and water use by as much as 96 percent, and lower land use by as much as 99 percent. But when you factor in pandemic risk, the benefits to human health of a slaughter-free harvest could arguably rival those to planetary health.

Food safety has been considered the primary human health benefit of such an approach. There has been a six-fold increase in food poisoning over the last few decades, sickening tens of millions of Americans every year, and contaminated meats and animal products are the most common cause. So, when the cultivated meat industry calls its product “clean meat,” that’s not just a nod to clean energy. Food-poisoning pathogens like E. coli, Campylobacter, and Salmonella are due to fecal residue––traces of which are found on most poultry sampled in the United States, and about half of retail ground beef and pork chops. They’re intestinal bugs, so you don’t have to worry about them if you’re producing meat without intestines. You don’t have to cook the crap out of meat if there’s no crap to begin with, just like you don’t have to worry about brewing up new respiratory viruses that could kill millions of people if you’re making meat without the lungs.

“A culinary choice in south China led to a fatal infection in Hong Kong, and subsequently to 8000 cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), and nearly 1000 deaths in 30 countries on six continents.” If only we had learned our lesson then. We may be one bushmeat meal away from the next HIV, one pangolin plate away from the next killer coronavirus, and one factory farm away from the next deadly flu. Tragically, it may take a pandemic with a virus like H5N1 before the world realizes the true cost of cheap chicken.

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Below is an approximation of this video’s audio content. To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring, watch the above video.

Infectious diseases are emerging globally at an unprecedented rate. Literally hundreds of new pathogens have emerged and re-emerged over the last few decades, and what we eat is responsible for most of the new diseases that have jumped from animals to humans.

In response to the torrent of emerging zoonotic (animal-to-human) diseases, three of the world’s leading authorities—the World Health Organization, the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE)—held a joint consultation to determine the key underlying causes. First on their list was the “Increasing demand for animal protein.”

The greatest swords of Damocles dangling are the H5 and H7 bird flu viruses blanketing much of the earth. A bird flu pandemic could be devastating, given their current upwards of Ebola-like flip-of-the-coin death rates. Given that the emergence of these deadly bird flu viruses, H5N1 and H7N9, are “linked to intensification of the poultry sector,” there have been calls for the “de-industrialization of animal production”––for example, as suggested here in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, “replacing large industrial units with smaller units with lower stocking densities,” potentially resulting in less stress, less disease susceptibility, less intense infectious contact, and smaller infectious loads. Maybe they’re the ones that could use a little social distancing.

The American Public Health Association, the largest and oldest association of public health professionals in the world, has called for a moratorium on factory farming for nearly two decades now. Maybe COVID-19 is the dry run we needed, the fire drill to awake us from our complacency and reform the food system before it’s too late.

But if, as the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations visualized it, the next pandemic starts with “increased demand for poultry products,” before ending up with human-to-human transmission, maybe we need to move beyond just giving these animals some more breathing room. This editorial in the journal of the American Public Health Association goes beyond just calling for a deintensification of poultry industry, questioning the prudence of raising so many animals for food in the first place. “It is curious, therefore [given the pandemic threat], that changing the way humans treat animals—most basically, ceasing to eat them or, at the very least, radically limiting the quantity of them that are eaten—is largely off the radar as a significant preventive measure. Such a change, if sufficiently adopted or imposed, could still reduce the chances of the much-feared influenza epidemic. It would be even more likely to prevent unknown future diseases that, in the absence of this change, may result from farming animals intensively and killing them for food. Yet humanity [doesn’t even] consider this option.”

However, thanks to food innovations, this may be changing. Have you looked in the dairy case at the supermarket lately? Some of America’s largest dairy producers have recently filed for bankruptcy due to the constellation of new consumer choices.

I was peripherally involved in the largest meat recall in human history. Remember the footage of the cows getting forklifted? A hidden-camera investigation at a California slaughter plant for “spent” dairy cows led to the recall of nearly 150 million pounds of beef for violations of food safety rules meant to protect the public from mad cow disease. Downed dairy cows—too sick to even walk—were being dragged to slaughter with chains into the federal school lunch program. You don’t have to worry about contaminated cattle brains in your oat milk, though.

Plant-based milks are a no-brainer.

But, you can see what I’m saying. Yes, you can pass public health regulations to stop the cannibalistic feeding of slaughterhouse waste to dairy cows—or, you can just provide the public better alternatives, and let the market eliminate the risk entirely, because there’s no prions in plants.

HIV/AIDS likely arose from people slaughtering primates. 30 million people wouldn’t be dead right now if we were eating meals from bushes instead of bushmeat. We can’t get coronaviruses from cauliflower. There is no flu in falafel production, no matter how tightly you crowd the balls together. What I am saying is our food choices don’t just affect our personal health, but our global health. Not just in terms of climate change, but in terms of stifling pandemic risk.

There has been a tremendous surge in interest in diversified protein sources, given the increasing consensus that reduced meat consumption is critical for addressing both the climate crisis and our burgeoning epidemics of lifestyle diseases. Eating less meat may not only help save the world, but could help prevent the loss of more than ten million human lives a year. To their credit, in 2016, the Chinese government recommended its citizens cut their meat consumption in half, in part to reduce their growing rates of chronic disease. A completely plant-based diet might reap $30 trillion from the health benefits alone, and that would be just from the lowered rates of chronic diseases like cancer, heart disease, and type 2 diabetes––not even factoring in the decreased catastrophic pandemic risk. What we eat doesn’t just affect our personal health, but our global health in more ways than one.

Making healthier choices could also help mediate the next coronavirus epidemic, not only at the source by sidestepping wet markets, but by also decreasing the rates of co-morbidities found to increase the risk in all the deadly coronaviruses: SARS, MERS, and COVID-19. Consider the underlying risk factors for COVID-19 severity and death: obesity, heart disease, hypertension, type 2 diabetes and chronic pulmonary disease. “In virtually all studies, vegetable protein is superior to animal protein [in terms of] lower rates of heart disease and type 2 diabetes and lower blood pressure than animal protein.” Here’s a meta-analysis published a few months ago on diabetes risk and animal protein consumption. For hypertension, meat, including poultry, may contribute to a higher risk of high blood pressure. Meat may even be associated with impaired lung function, increasing the risk of lung diseases like emphysema.

The same diet that can help you survive this pandemic can also help prevent the next. So, instead of propping up the meat industry to the tune of a 100 million taxpayer dollars a month, and forcing meat plants to stay open, pandemic proof your diet. Thankfully, expanded options are now hitting the meat case as well. No longer a niche market for vegetarians, major meat producers have started blending in vegetable proteins to make hybrid meat products, like Perdue’s chicken plus nuggets, or Tyson’s “Whole Blends” sausage links. Smithfield, the world’s largest pork producer, recently debuted an entire line of plant-based products. Hormel has a new plant-based line too; the purveyors of SPAM now believe in the power of plants. Check out this headline from a few weeks ago: “KFC to roll out Cargill’s plant‐based chicken across China.” Talk about a cultural revolution. And, we’re not talking about Tofurkey. Cargill is America’s largest private corporation, and one of the biggest meat packers in the world.

How many fewer curly-tailed viral mixing vessels are there now that Dunkin’ Donuts has a meat-free breakfast sausage? How many fewer hens are packed beak-to-beak now that egg-free mayo has taken the sandwich spread sector by storm? Quorn, a brand of meat-free meat made from the mushroom kingdom, opened a single facility that can produce the meat equivalent of twenty million chickens per year. These products may not be the healthiest from a personal standpoint— a doughnut sandwich without pork is still a doughnut sandwich—but hey, swap in an egg-free omelette from Tim Hortons and from a pandemic standpoint? Zero risk.

Doesn’t necessarily have to be plants, though. In this review on food systems in the era of the coronavirus, they noted that “researchers are seeking alternative protein sources everywhere.” Can’t think of any possible alternative to cow’s milk? How about cockroach milk? I mean, you think almond milk is nuts? How about some of this on your corn flakes? Could be healthier than cow’s milk, and hey, no lactose, no dairy allergy problems. An important alternative. I mean I can’t imagine anything else you can make milk out of. And gluten-free too! The only downside, evidently, was the flavor, but the researchers—perhaps funded by Big Bug?—chalked this up to fact that the judges knew there were cockroaches in the bread; and so, they were all just biased. Hmmm, I think I’ll stick with the plants.

But if you’re like: “you’ll have to pry that pork chop from my cold, dead hands,” we may be able to have our meat and eat it too. An even more innovative approach to pandemic prevention was suggested by Winston Churchill in 1932. In an article in Popular Mechanics entitled “Fifty Years Hence,” he predicted that “[w]e shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.”

And indeed, the prediction is becoming a reality. Instead of taking a cutting from a plant and growing vegetables, you’re taking a sample from an animal, and growing meat. Potentially lots of meat––like maybe a billion pounds from a single sample. Indeed, in terms of efficiency, growing meat straight from muscle cells could reduce greenhouse gas emissions and water use by as much as 96 percent, and lower land use by as much as 99 percent. But when you factor in pandemic risk, the benefits to human health of a slaughter-free harvest could arguably rival those to planetary health.

Food safety has been considered the primary human health benefit of such an approach. There has been a six-fold increase in food poisoning over the last few decades, sickening tens of millions of Americans every year, and contaminated meats and animal products are the most common cause. So, when the cultivated meat industry calls its product “clean meat,” that’s not just a nod to clean energy. Food-poisoning pathogens like E. coli, Campylobacter, and Salmonella are due to fecal residue––traces of which are found on most poultry sampled in the United States, and about half of retail ground beef and pork chops. They’re intestinal bugs, so you don’t have to worry about them if you’re producing meat without intestines. You don’t have to cook the crap out of meat if there’s no crap to begin with, just like you don’t have to worry about brewing up new respiratory viruses that could kill millions of people if you’re making meat without the lungs.

“A culinary choice in south China led to a fatal infection in Hong Kong, and subsequently to 8000 cases of severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), and nearly 1000 deaths in 30 countries on six continents.” If only we had learned our lesson then. We may be one bushmeat meal away from the next HIV, one pangolin plate away from the next killer coronavirus, and one factory farm away from the next deadly flu. Tragically, it may take a pandemic with a virus like H5N1 before the world realizes the true cost of cheap chicken.

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Motion graphics by AvoMedia

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Doctor's Note

As I said in the video, cell- and plant-based meats are not the healthiest options from a personal health standpoint in terms of chronic disease, but in terms of infectious disease, they present zero pandemic risk. Exactly what are the nutritional and health pros and cons? Got a whole webinar coming up on it—check it out!

Here is the whole series in case you missed any:

  1. Where Do Deadly Coronaviruses Like MERS-CoV Come From?
  2. The SARS Coronavirus and Wet Markets
  3. Where Did the COVID-19 Coronavirus Come From?
  4. The Last Coronavirus Pandemic May Have Been Caused by Livestock
  5. R0 and Incubation Periods: How Other Coronavirus Outbreaks Were Stopped
  6. Social Distancing, Lockdowns & Testing: How to Slow the COVID-19 Pandemic
  7. COVID-19 Symptoms vs. the Flu, a Cold or Allergies
  8. Modifiable Risk Factors and Comorbidities for Severe COVID-19 Infection
  9. The Immune System and COVID-19 Treatment
  10. Would Zinc Lozenges Help with COVID-19?
  11. How to Avoid COVID-19
  12. Hand Washing & Sanitizing to Inactivate COVID-19 Coronavirus
  13. What to Do if You Come Down with COVID-19
  14. The Best Mask or DIY Face Covering for COVID-19
  15. How COVID-19 Ends: Vaccination, Mutations, and Herd Immunity
  16. The COVID-19 Pandemic May Just Be a Dress Rehearsal
  17. How to Prevent the Next Pandemic

Note I glossed over the details of exactly how animal agriculture contributes to pandemic risk. What you need is a comprehensive book with thousands of scientific citations! Check out my latest book How to Survive a Pandemic (note: all my proceeds from this book are donated to pandemic prevention charities). And this is the last chance to download this whole series for free if you want to have it in one place!

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  1. I learned about a month ago that Canada .s largest or a least one of the largest dairy processors is going to launch a oat milk product , it will be their only plant based product .

    1. mrpinkerton,

      Do you have any knowledge as the of the best way to go in regards to oat milk, almond milk, soy milk, etc.?

      Any reasons for one over the other?

      Thank you,

      Vivamus

        1. Thank you, Mr Fumblefingers!

          So – looks like oat milk is out for me. Good to know.

          I have never had any, anyway.

          I would think that coconut milk would be relatively high in saturated fat. No thank you.
          https://www.mayoclinic.org/dont-get-tricked-by-these-3-heart-health-myths/art-20390070

          Almond milk should have a relatively high omega-9 fat ratio, which is probably a good thing – unless it isn’t.

          Cashew milk looks to be in a similar ballpark (cursory look).

          Organic unsweetened soy milk – maybe yes, maybe no. I am no longer drinking tea, anyway.

          Minimize all milks – none are a “health food.”

          OK – got it.

          Mr Fumblefingers.

          Thanks again –

          Vivamus

    2. Every pandemic is going to be survived easily if you nourish your body and prevent it to get posioned with fear! And very important to save your oganism from getting in contact with non understanding doctors spreading there interfering chemicals to ones biological system!
      No reproductable evidence is served at any time from any medicine authority under the laws of science in the last 200 years. Medicine in absence of science so is not more than a fearspreading religion more like a satanic poisinbelieving cult deeply woven like cancer into our culture continuum- so like every invented thing so is a pandemic just a bliefredundance originating from Pasteur and Robert koch the earliest criminals in the virus fraud! Without any proof its clear that viruses dont exist until science doubtlessly proofs the pathogenic reproducibility in our bodies – not in an phantasy sourrounding environment outside in a reagent ! Or why ebola didnt spread all over – which chemicals and stress the poor people where exposed to suffer these symptoms!? Or anybody believes it exists a gay retrovirus which chooses its victims by sex via anus and then mutates miracolously and than attacks all of us – the use for pharma is just to spread fear poisining us to have symptoms just indicating their is stress in our bodies and in addition fearing having sex like at woodstock! How useful! If somebody dies of a so called mirobiological nonsense like a virus he dies of fraudish doctors like the one and only doctor who stands for what the pharmacy pays to keep it secret – Dr. Mengele ✌ Its time to get rid of these fearspreading holocaustic psychopathic moneybags and their narcissism!

  2. To make the advertising of cultured meat is not very responsible for a doctor specialist in nutrition like Dr Greger and appears like a denial of the detrimental effects of animal proteins on the body beyond any principle of precaution.

    Moreover, there is no proof whatsoever that HIV comes from a monkey and not from cattle or that SARS-CoV-2 comes from a pangolin and not from a cow, a pig or a cat. Most zoonosis don’t come from nature but from animal agriculture and domesticated animals, not from wild animals.

    A more interesting scientific review video published today, on the topic of prolonged fasting:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EQmzNgX9oc

      1. Havn’t you heard? According to secret internet sources Dr Fauchi cooked up HIV in his bathtub using a combination of birth control pills-gold lame’ fabric- and some Donna Summer songs.

      2. HIV molecular analysis… you mean… like molecular analysis saying that SARS-CoV-2 came from a pangolin or a bat ?

        There are huge differences between viruses that may have 90% of identical DNA. It does not prove at all that those animals are the cause of the epidemy.

        As far as SARS-CoV-2 is concerned, the virus was already silently spreading in Europe well before the start of the epidemy in China. It has been retrieved in Spain in wastewater from mars 2019.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/26/health/coronavirus-spain.html

        There is no pangolin in Europe or in Spain… however there are immunodeficiency viruses in cattles…

        1. ab,
          Why do you promote an unpublished, speculative paper as fact?
          “In a study not yet published in a journal, scientists have reported that the new coronavirus was present in wastewater in Barcelona, Spain in March 2019, a finding that, if confirmed, would show that the pathogen had emerged much earlier than previously thought.

          But independent experts who reviewed the findings said they doubted the claim. The study was flawed, they said, and other lines of evidence strongly suggest the virus emerged in China late last year.”

          1. 言語学者,

            The study is dismissed by some scientists on false premises. For example some critics have been made that it is not possible to have traces in waste water because it would have involved many infected tourists strangers to achieve it. So the ones who criticized still think that the virus comes from asia but it does not come to their mind that it may rather originate from Europe and that it may then have been propagated to China, for example, during the World Military Games in Wuhan in october 2019, from where it may have spread to the rest of the world at the beginning of november 2019.

            Other evidences clearly shown that the virus clade responsible in Europe, particularly in France (clade G), is not the one that has started the epidemy in China (non clade G), like established by the Pasteur Institute in France:
            https://www.eurosurveillance.org/docserver/fulltext/eurosurveillance/25/26/eurosurv-25-26-2.pdf

            That said, there are many good or relevant studies that have not been published during the pandemics, particularly on fundamental medical issues, because of the editorial politics of journals (and the bias of peer-reviewers) as well as because the afflux of studies during this period.

            1. ab,
              I am actually not sure what your point is when you state:

              “As far as SARS-CoV-2 is concerned, the virus was already silently spreading in Europe well before the start of the epidemy in China. It has been retrieved in Spain in wastewater from mars 2019.”

              Earlier than originally thought spread via asymptomatic people does not, in and of itself, imply anything about its ultimate animal or geographic origin, which is unknown. The article you cite is not inconsistent with the most commonly accepted views of likely animal and geographic origins. Talking about cows and pigs as possible origins is, to put it mildly, misguided.

              1. 言語学者,

                Like Dr Greger, you clearly do not seem to truly perceive the science behind all of it. SARS-CoV-2 and more generally viruses that attach to ACE2 receptors can also infect cows, pigs, cats and many other animals.

                “a broad range of mammalian species can potentially be the hosts of SARS-CoV-2.”

                Atlas of ACE2 gene expression in mammals reveals novel insights in transmisson of SARS-Cov-2
                https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.30.015644v1.full

                Look at the false claims of French Authorities (who protect agro-industry) on the subject and who said that farm animals or domestic animals can not spread COVID-19:
                https://www.anses.fr/en/content/covid-19-cannot-be-transmitted-either-farm-animals-or-domestic-animals-0

                Whereas one knows that visons already have infected some workers in Netherlands
                https://www.dw.com/en/mink-pass-coronavirus-to-humans-in-the-netherlands/a-53565241

                1. “Since contamination of an animal is unlikely, the possibility of direct transmission of the virus through food derived from a contaminated animal was ruled out by the experts. Only the hypothesis of contamination of food by a person who is sick, or is an asymptomatic carrier of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, was investigated.” ANSES

                  So it is not that they know or that they have evidences supporting their claims, it is that they have strong prejudices, orientations and biases.

                  Only a weak hypothesis for contamination has been investigated, while other hypothesis didn’t have. That is how works mainstream science, the bad science that spreads misinformation since the beginning of the pandemy and which pretends to be the official science.

                  1. >>> That is how works mainstream science, the bad science that spreads misinformation

                    For “mainstream science” read “science”. What is your alternative “science”? Who are the practioners?

                    1. Science, to one, is the inquiry into testable hypothesis that are proven to be false when correctly refuted.

                      But actually most scientists and particularly scientists working with governments don’t bother to look at all the testable hypothesis and refute many of them on false premises. So that they defend particular views in a reductionist way without trying to understand the whole and to look at all the hypothesis.

                2. >>>”a broad range of mammalian species can potentially be the hosts of SARS-CoV-2.”

                  Who has denied this? Has Dr. Greger?

                  I thought you were disputing the current theory of the original direct transmission to humans and the geographical location. But now you seem to be talking about possible hosts and possible nonhuman-human transmissions.

                  So, exactly how does what you are talking about conflict with what Dr.Greger has presented?

                  1. Dr Greger insinuates in this COVID-19 serie:

                    1) that the epidemy originates from China, when it has only started to be visible in China,
                    2) that pangolins or bats (wild animals in a wet market), are the root or the starting point of the epidemy
                    3) that HIV comes from Africa from some human eating chimpanzees or monkeys
                    4) that source control masks are needed for COVID-19 patients
                    5) that nutrition has no role in the propagation of the epidemy

                    I maintain that all those four statements which are also the ones of mainstream science are most likely wrong and based not on facts, but on fear and prejudices.

          2. Yes, Gengo, they said that it is easy to have laboratory errors where because they are handling positive and negative tests, they can corrupt the negative tests by mishandling them. There are also false positives in the testing for coronavirus.

            It wasn’t killing people back in March 2019 in Spain and there wasn’t a spike of people with respiratory problems back then.

            But they also said that

            In coronavirus testing, scientists typically screen for more than one gene. In this case, the researchers tested for three. They had a positive result for the March 2019 sample in one of the three genes tested – the RdRp gene. They screened for two regions of this gene and both were only detected around the 39th cycle of amplification and that PCR tests become less “specific” with increasing rounds of amplification.

            They said that the RNA or DNA in the sample could resemble the test target site enough for it to give a positive result at the 39th cycle of amplification.

            The people who questioned the results said that with how highly transmissible the coronavirus is, if there was a very tiny amount in the sewer in March of 2019, they would have expected tiny amounts or progressively larger amounts as time went on, but all of the months after that the results were negative and the first positive results came shortly before the hospitalizations and deaths and that positive test makes sense.

            The March of 2019 one doesn’t fit.

            1. Deb, you do not seem to understand that viruses mutate, and that the ancestor virus of SARS-CoV-2 was probably circulating silently without causing any disease or severe symptoms if any.

              So that virus ancestor was probably circulating in Europe well before the China outbreak. And the PCR tests in waste water in Barcelon might give some evidence about it as early as march 2019.

              1. >>> So that virus ancestor was probably circulating in Europe well before the China outbreak.

                Why “probably”?

                None of the studies, as far as I could tell on a quick read, made this claim. This seems to be YOUR claim, one without real evidence. I suppose this is an example of what you consider “real science” as opposed to that awful “mainstream science”.

                1. Why “probably” ? Because like the Tchernobyl cloud, viruses don’t stop at national frontiers and that there is no proof whatsoever that the ancestor of the virus SARS-CoV-2 that started the Wuhan epidemy actually originates from China.

                  1. “Scientists in Canada and Australia are planning to import the SARS virus and infect animals with it. FAO is supporting these experiments. What do you expect from these tests?”

                    Nothing. Why is it bad science ? Because if they take the human virus that has been mutated in human hosts, this virus is not adapted to other animal hosts. So what they will observe is the adaptation of the human virus to other animal hosts which will tell nothing about the previous adaptation of animal viruses to human hosts.

                    The ancestor virus coming from animals has adapted to the human host, no the other way around.

              2. ab,

                I understand that the coronavirus has 600 mutations right now, but they all make sense.

                If it is the same as the coronavirus that they had in January, that already doesn’t make sense.

                Because it would have been from almost a year prior and it would have been a version that may not have spread easily and may not have caused any respiratory problems and there may be versions like that over time, but they have been able to track the mutations over 7 months and it didn’t stay the same.

                The Barcelona people doing the test are just as likely to have contaminated the sample because of how many covid samples they were handling and that makes more sense than a type of coronavirus that didn’t spread over the next 10 months at all and came back again 10 months later from China?

                It just doesn’t make sense.

                They could have done a testing process that was looking for too general a gene segment and that one segment could be something close to coronavirus is the other option that the people questioning the results discussed.

                I am not saying that it 100% wasn’t there, but if it was, it would mean that a few people had it in March and then nobody else had it for 10 months and the thing is, it remains in the fecal material longer than the respirations, so that isn’t how it seems to work.

                People have their stool test positive for a long time, and yet it disappeared for 10 months and then came back is what you believe?

                If I was a scientist, I would be asking, “Was it one of the mutations that came back or didn’t it mutate for 10 months?”

                1. People still have the RNA fragments in their stool 40 days later.

                  Plus, it can last for days in the wastewater.

                  It just seems like it should have been there for a few months minimum and it should have been a different mutation.

                  1. I also read the case from France and it was within days of the outbreak in Wuhan and the man’s wife worked at an airport.

                    He had not traveled to bring the virus to China but it is highly likely that someone brought it from China to France Via the international airport.

                    That could have happened without changing anything that Dr Greger has said.

                    The incubation can be 5 days to 2 weeks, so if one person from China came to that airport, there isn’t a discrepancy.

                    1. There are people who have traced the mutations.

                      Both the Spain waste water and France cases can be measured against those.

                    2. And if the man in France is the start, where ddI he gets it?

                      It is more people in China with it meaning a likely greater viral loaf.

                      So it is one person versus Wuhan and he didn’t go there.

                2. Viruses not only mutate but also travel, going into one geographical place for a time and then leaving and going elsewhere… It depends on local biological circumstances and climate.

                3. It is not fair to dismiss a study by saying that the scientists did not do well their job or that they contaminated themselves their samples. It is way to easy to say that in order to dismiss hypothesis or conclusions with which one is not agree with at the very beginning and biasing our review of the studies.

        2. The finding of SARS-CoV-2 in Barcelona wastewater from March 2019 appears to be a false positive or contamination. It happens.

          The tell being that it was absent in samples from April-November 2019.

      3. That scientists may find SIV that closely ressemble HIV might be caused by the fact that chimpanzees closely ressemble human beings.

        An immunodeficiency virus IV infecting a chimpanzee and a human being will mutate more in the same direction than the same IV infecting a cow or another animal.

        So it does not say that HIV comes from SIV, but more likely that both SIV and HIV are IV that have mutated in some similar directions while also still having clear differences.

    1. Like Tom said, it’s believed to have come from the slaughter and consumption of apes. So every single virus including the common cold (which came from the domestication/enslavement of horses)–from my recent understanding–seems to originally stem from cruelty to animals. It’s all so incredible and in your face, it should be enough.

      1. Like the slaughter and consumption of pangolins for SARS-CoV-2 ? Those are myths from the bad mainstream science. Look one’s message above.

            1. Sounds like you’ve already decided what you want to believe, to be totally honest. In that case, a source is a good source if it legitimizes your idea.

              1. No, I’m getting my information broadly including (wisely so) Dr. Greger. However, when I get my information from Dr. Greger, I’m not getting my information from Dr. Greger, I get my information from all the sources that he got his information from as always available to view for oneself, which is why I chose to make Dr. Greger a source of information… it’s real information and you have the capability of seeing for yourself.

                To say that Dr. Greger repeats mainstream science is so ridiculous I think it might hilarious… Dr. Greger and those like him are the minority who are up against a very angry world at them including within the medical industry they’re a part of. Because they present the actual truth they were willing to learn and don’t like other interests stop that. Watch Forks Over Knives, just learn a tiny bit of what some of doctors like these have faced in their careers.

                1. Dr Michael Greger: “The famous Predimed study found that adding just a small palmful of nuts to one’s daily diet for a few years can cut one’s stroke risk in half. A simple ounce of nuts, a palm full of nuts a day, is not just associated with better health but have been proven to improve health outcomes.”

                  https://www.wholefoodplantbaseddiet.com/prescription-nutrition-3-of-4-spilling-the-beans/

                  The “famous” Predimed Study ? Seriously, Dr Greger ? You might want to mean the “infamous” Predimed study that has been retracted from the New England Journal of Medicine, right ?

                  Don’t Be Duped By Bad Science – PART 1 OF FATS
                  https://youtu.be/sKvmAww6eaU?t=1161

                    1. S, I think we should need more animal studies in order to assess the safety of eating nuts on prolonged periods and that actual medical trials on human are rather unethical.

                    2. ab,

                      Your statement is no more ethical or sensible than saying we should experiment on one race of humans because it would be unethical to perform experiments on your preferred race of humans. We all feel pain and suffering. Using “ethics” as an argument for one of the most brutal, unethical and immoral practices, vivisection (slavery and torture), is contradictory in the worst way… so much so that it is gross or rather disgusting. The only ethical way to perform an experiment you feel would harm someone and is therefore unethical to do so, would be to do it on yourself. You have no right to take away the rights of anyone else no matter what species of animal they are and no matter how much they can’t speak for themselves. Shame on you as a person.

                      Separately from the sickness of your statement. I’d like to point out just a couple ways of how stupid it is:

                      Animal studies are not applicable to humans, you’d have equal luck or greater luck in tossing a coin.

                      Umm, studying the impact of nut consumption on humans is unethical? Right.. where are we gonna get a bunch of poor souls to eat peanut butter and pistachios and all these highly unexplored delicacies… Are you freaking kidding me? Beyond that, it’s already shown that nut consumption is a positive to human health in multiple ways, multiple times. It’s just ridiculous.

                      This kind of ties into the above statement, but seems things can’t be made clear enough these days: there already are ongoing experiments of people eating nuts, there has been for a long time, I’m a happy and healthy one of them.

                  1. Jeff Nelson sometimes conveniently gets his facts wrong. Like here in your link where he says that the PREDIMED study was ‘paid for by the nuts and olive oil industry’. Yet the study article he links to states in black and white that the study was funded by various Spanish governmental agencies. Why does he do this?

                    And of course the PREDIMED study is famous. It makes no sense to pretend that it isn’t. Dr Greger has offered a number of very useful comments and insights on the study over the years
                    https://nutritionfacts.org/?s=predimed

              2. This goes here:
                The self-proclaimed scientists are a unique strain that derives from this nation’s long resistance to expertise. The self-proclaimed scientist will tell you that you should not listen to Dr. Anthony Fauci. Instead you should listen to them, since they have done “research” and they know more about the virus than world-leading scientists.

                Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, recently warned of the dangerous consequences of our national anti-science bias: “One of the problems we face in the United States is that unfortunately, there is a combination of an anti-science bias that people are — for reasons that sometimes are, you know, inconceivable and not understandable — they just don’t believe science and they don’t believe authority.”

                Yet the American tendency to eschew expertise and disparage science has extremely deep roots in our collective history. It is tied not just to religious extremism, but also to the history of anti-intellectualism in the U.S. The urge to put down teachers and professors alongside scientists is part of the American habit of distrusting smart people and it is tied to the idea that some folks would prefer a president they want to have a beer with over an intellectual or even highly educated president.

                The anti-expertise sickness that plagues the United States is sadly to blame for much of the failed U.S. response to the pandemic, but its negative impact on the functioning of our nation goes well beyond flaws in our healthcare system and public health policy. As long as we continue to be skeptical of knowledge and attracted to BS, we can expect our nation to continue to look less and less like a developed nation.

                1. Deb

                  ??????????????

                  This is a science-based website. As far as I am aware, everything Greger says is consistent with the mainstream science position. That is the great strength of NutritionFacts. It’s based on science not pseudoscience or wishful thinking. Look at the advice from the WHO for example

                  https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/healthy-diet

                  and the US dietary guidelines
                  ]https://health.gov/our-work/food-nutrition/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines/guidelines/executive-summary/
                  https://health.gov/our-work/food-nutrition/2015-2020-dietary-guidelines/guidelines/appendix-5/

                  If you read those things, it is clear that they too recommend a whole foods plant based diet even if they don’t use the term. There might be some disagreement about the allowable proportion of animal and highly processed foods in such a diet but that is a disagreement over details not principles.

  3. “there have been calls for the “de-industrialization of animal production”––for example, as suggested here in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, ‘replacing large industrial units with smaller units with lower stocking densities,’ potentially resulting in less stress, less disease susceptibility, less intense infectious contact, and smaller infectious loads. Maybe they’re the ones that could use a little social distancing.”

    Always trying to find a right way to do a wrong thing… They’ll be trying till the very end. It’s pathetic, it’s a lot of things.

  4. There’s a huge amount of valuable information in this video. I had to watch it 3 times to pick up some things I missed. Here are some “nuggets” that I found interesting:

    1. t=3:34
    Dr. Greger was a witness before the Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations. Take a look at some of the other witnesses he had to share the podium with.

    Williams, ED, Southern Shrimp Alliance
    Rodkin, CEO, Congra Foods
    Shoemaker, Pres. and CEO, Butterbal
    Lischewski, Pres. and CEO, Bumble Bee Foods

    Wow. Talk about David up against an army of Goliaths…

    Marler may have been the only other witness in Dr. G’s camp. (Food Safety law firm)

    ———————————————————–
    1. t=4:20
    This statement might be the summary statement for a solution to the CAFO problem:

    [Yes, you can pass public health regulations to stop the cannibalistic feeding of slaughterhouse waste to dairy cows—or, you can just provide the public better alternatives, and let the market eliminate the risk entirely, because there’s no prions in plants.]

    IOW, instead of fighting against greed, a better strategy might be to stimulate change by nudging the direction of greed.

    One day I opened a fortune cookie, and the fortune read: “Push will get you fair, but pull will get you farther.”

    ————————————————————
    3. t=7:34
    Are those little Stegosaurus, plant-based, chicken nuggets? =]

    ———————————————————–
    4. t=9:22
    Didn’t John the Baptist live off of locusts and wild honey? Hey, maybe that’s a better solution than cockroaches.

    1. dr. cobalt,

      I got to the line talk about David up against an army of Goliaths and ended up tearing up.

      And then, I just paused, because I am amazed that this man who looks deceptively like the class clown maybe or something like that, just someone who is light-hearted and humor-driven would be the one regularly going up against armies of Goliaths.

      Pretty awesome.

    2. John the Baptist locust was most likely the following.
      Locust bean, also known as carob or Saint John’s bread, has dark, evergreen, pinnate leaves. The small, red flowers have no petals. The fruit is a brown, leathery pod about 10–30 cm long and contains 10–15 seeds of about 0.2 g each. The seeds are remarkably uniform in size and weight. The pods are edible and are often used for livestock feed.

  5. Thanks for this incredible series on corona and exposing the actual cause and root of this pandemic along with others and warning the very important reality that it is not just some phenomenon that won’t happen again. I need to work harder on getting this information out there and I hope other viewers will do the same (all it takes is mentioning the cause and offering your source or sources whenever the conversation comes up) because those of us here watching and and take it upon ourselves to learn about this stuff, are a very small minority–alarmingly small. Just go hang out with people, you’re probably the only one who has any idea about this outside of your immediate circle or even outside of yourself.

    1. And don’t be silenced just because people will mostly likely argue and blow you off, and don’t get angry either… just say the truth calmly, readily offer your sources, and that’s really all it takes and all we can do and must do. I say that because I know both how daunting as well as frustrating people’s denial can be. You have to keep a cool head to both not get burnt out, as well as to be heard and not sound like a raving lunatic (even if it’s for a reason).

  6. Plant eating seems a bit simpler, but has obviously failed to hook the masses.

    The tipping point can’t be too much further away. Let us hope it’s before and effective to limit the next viral outbreak.

    1. I think everything societal is like the 100th monkey effect. The hundredth monkey effect is a hypothetical phenomenon in which a new behavior or idea is said to spread rapidly by unexplained means from one group to all related groups once a critical number of members of one group exhibit the new behavior or acknowledge the new idea.

      When enough of the population finds something useful, almost instantly it seems as if the rest of the population brings it into their own lives.

      1. In this case, though, it isn’t just truth and honest observation about what’s going on (what people discover as useful), there is deliberate confusion placed in the world because of agenda and profit and then there’s the complication of people having addictions to habits and lifestyles and beliefs that they don’t want let go of. Monkey’s are wiser… more honest with themselves and each other.

        1. In all societal matters there are forces on opposing sides and beliefs promoting such. There definitely were more people insisting the world was flat and the sun revolved around it at one time too. Most relying on what they saw daily. 100th monkey later…..

          1. No one had multibillion-dollar industries banking in on the false idea that the earth was flat, though. People didn’t have addictions to the earth being flat. The earth being flat wasn’t deep-fried and coated in sugar. It’s a simple truth, but it’s battled against hard in multiple ways.

            1. No industry had the sun coming up and appearing to go around a flat planet either. People tend to believe what they see not what they are told. People tend to being addicted to the reality they see. Yet they got over it didn’t they?

              1. Right, but my point again… people don’t see that which is there because you have many working forces to drown it out; over it up; confuse it. People are confused and there are more lies to see, hear, and read than well I don’t if ever, but it definitely seems like it.

                1. S,

                  Most of the people around me have expressed that they think COVID is a political hoax and they won’t be surprised if it is over shortly after the election. I had someone say that to me today. Yesterday, I had people say that the numbers are falsely inflated and that they are calling murders and suicides as COVID to get money.

                  It really is confusing for people and the press is driving that confusion as much as everybody else.

                  The stress is about to go up for people, I think. The electric bills in my state have doubled. When that happens, there is a raising of pricing in every area of manufacturing, starting with raw materials, followed by shipping, followed by everything else.

                  People commented that if it had only gone up $20 or $30 per month, they wouldn’t be complaining, but people had it jump $400 per month.

  7. An additional way to reduce the chance of a chicken-flu pandemic
    Have healthier chickens by feeding them Vitamin D
    A Win-Win-Win solution
    Good for the farmer – at extremely low cost
    – fewer chickens normally die while being raised
    – fewer chickens die due to bird flu
    Good for the chicken
    – Healthier
    Good for the consumer
    – meat and eggs taste better
    – far less antibiotics in the meat and eggs

    detailed studies are at https://vitamindwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page_id=3449

    1. “A Win-Win-Win solution”

      You’re completely forgetting about the masses of holocaust victims in your “winning” scenario as well as the entire planet as well as heart disease, alzheimers, diabetes, obesity, etc. etc. etc… not to mention I could get into the psychological and even spiritual human well-being. But it’s certainly a temporary win for the greedy producers who just won’t back down. What’s good for the chicken is to stop breeding, enslaving, torturing, and murdering them. It’s true, as a chicken. Incidentally, it’s good for everyone else. But I guess we’ll need a few more pandemics before that one’s figured out.

  8. I do not have any desire for meat anymore. I became vegan for health reasons but the torture of animals and pollution are the primary reasons now. Now that we are retired and though active, less so, most meals, due to the numerous plants, last up to 4 meals. The trouble with meat substitutes if added to meals would mean they are eaten most days which is not great for health. I would rather avoid them most of the time. I can see them helping wean a person off a meat diet. Extensive cancer with a poor prognosis was all the encouragement I needed.

  9. Dangerous fruits and vegetables:
    Surely we can find ways to make nutritious fruits and vegetables deadly:
    –What about weaponizing dried peas? It would really hurt to get pelted with a dried pea from a slingshot.
    –Force feeding with chili peppers.
    –Slipping on a banana peel.
    –Water boarding with watermelon juice.
    –Poisoning with apricot seeds.

    We’ve got to get more deadly in our approach to plant based nutrition if we are ever going to capture the attention of consumers who are used to getting poisoned with E-coli, pandemic animal viruses that kill millions and pathogens that keep half the population chronically ill.

    1. -Forcing people to eat more than 2 cups of spinach a day to shut down their kidneys
      -Poking them in the eye with raw asparagus
      -Having people eat high quantities of under-cooked beans to make Dr. Gundry feel superior
      -Beating them with beets until their white shirts are permanently stained.

        1. Deb,
          Funny stuff. Har! The makings of an ad for plant based health. But I think, “Cuking the b’st”ds,” is going a bit far.

          1. I think Dr. Greger’s peppering us with his version of pandemic prose, his first-letter version of linguistic carrot karate has us veritable vegetable volumizers.

            We can’t get coronaviruses from cauliflower. There is no flu in falafel production, no matter how tightly you crowd the balls together.

        1. Reminds of the time I got a free dessert in a restaurant for which I did not ask for… a plate of chickpeas.

          The waiter did not understand that I said, – check please.

            1. It’s the same waiter while taking the order I noticed he kept grabbing his butt. So I said,
              Do you have hemorrhoids?
              And the waiter said, “no, just what’s on the menu.”
              They had a nice vegetable soup on the menu, so I wiped it off.

  10. To avoid pandemic is easy – and has nothing to do with zoonose – we just have to reveal the proof that no virus exists at all! and punish every fraudish scientist saying so wothout retraceable proof! – in future and in the past. Cannot be that criminals invent viruses to achieve their criminal gials without proof to public! In Biology the root of Microorganismstudies is no place for the invention of Pasteur and Robert Koch called virus! Stefan Lanka proofed the absence of measle virus on court to pharma inc in germany 2015

    1. Stefan Lanka thinks that measles is a psychosomatic illness.

      Before the vaccine program in the USA, nearly 3 to 4 million people in the United States were infected each year, by the so-called psychosomatic illness.

      Results of the vaccine program, measles was declared eliminated (absence of continuous disease transmission for greater than 12 months) from the United States in 2000.

      People started believing the anti-vaxxers message and there were more Measles cases in the first 5-months of 2019 than in the WHOLE previous 25 years.

      https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2019/p0530-us-measles-2019.html

      So, the vaccines got rid of the psychosomatic illness so effectively that it argues on behalf of using them even if it is only 25 years of placebo effect.

      Globally, because of the stagnation of vaccinations for measles 140,000 people died from measles in 2018

      1. The most amazing part of the placebo effect of the vaccine to me is that we gave vaccines to 12-month-old children and it created such a placebo effect that we pretty much stopped having measles in this country for 25 years.

        Now, that’s an effective placebo effect.

      1. What’s worse is that having to “debate” matters of science and evidence-based medicine tends to leave us fighting each other rather than the virus. Even more disturbing, there is no vaccine for covidiocy: It promises to linger well after the virus has been contained, wreaking havoc on our society, taking up resources and frustrating progress. It’s a condition that has plagued our country for decades and it won’t be cured until and unless we make a collective effort to prevent its spread

    2. It’s both comforting and depressing to learn that the English-speaking world is not the only portion of humanity afflicted with widespread cognitive health problems.

    1. Deb,

      Thank you for that article.

      I am forwarding it as appropriate.

      You may have done some solid good, here.

      But if we are fortunate – we will never know for certain.

      Tip o’ the hat –

      Vivamus

      1. Thanks Deb. Don’t know why people think taking temps is somehow adequate screening for Covid. Many patients don’t present with fever.

  11. “Smithfield, the world’s largest pork producer,” is also a Chinese company.

    “Smithfield Foods, Inc., is a pork producer and food processing company based in Smithfield, Virginia, in the United States, and a wholly owned subsidiary of WH Group of China.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smithfield_Foods

    This company also claimed that there was a meat shortage in the US — there wasn’t — even as it was exporting meat to China, so they forced workers back to work in the plants. You know, to protect the “American food supply.” As if meat is the only food worth considering. The work is dangerous and deadly, and now, highly infectious.

    1. No one ever claimed there was a meat shortage. In fact animals have been culled and buried because there were not enough meat PROCESSORS. The US government forced workers back into plants not China. Tyson Foods led the lobbying effort to have the meat industry labeled “critical infrastructure.” Tyson Foods, Inc. is an American multinational corporation based in Springdale, Arkansas.

      1. Reality bites:

        “One of the country’s largest pork-producing plants closed indefinitely after nearly 300 of its employees tested positive for COVID-19. And the company’s CEO warned that the coronavirus pandemic is pushing the nation’s meat supply “perilously close” to the edge.

        “It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running,” Smithfield Foods CEO Kenneth Sullivan said in a statement….

        Sullivan warned that the growing shutdowns are hurting the nation’s meat supply in a way that is reaching throughout the U.S. economy.“.
        https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/13/833110486/u-s-meat-supply-is-perilously-close-to-a-shortage-ceo-warns

        “As Meat Plants Stayed Open to Feed Americans, Exports to China Surged
        While lobbying to keep operating during the pandemic, the U.S. industry sent a record amount of pork to a country vital to its growth.

        Smithfield Foods was the first company to warn in April that the coronavirus pandemic was pushing the United States “perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply.” Tyson Foods also sounded the alarm, saying that “millions of pounds of meat will disappear” from the nation’s supply chain as plants were being forced to close because of outbreaks.

        That same month, Smithfield sent China 9,170 tons of pork, one of its highest monthly export totals to that market in the past three years. Tyson exported 1,289 tons of pork to China, the most since January 2017.“
        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/business/meat-industry-china-pork.html

        1. Yes, Dr. J., I heard that, too. They got people to buy more meat, plus, China bought more meat, plus, they killed animals, and even with all of that, there is no real meat shortage.

        2. Dr. J –
          Yes, you are correct. Smithfield was an American company until bought by the Chinese a few years back.

          Also, JBS – a company almost no one has heard of – is a meat packing company which provides more meat than almost any other company. It is actually owned by Brazilian entity. From Wikepedia:
          JBS S.A. JBS USA Holdings, Inc. is an American food processing company and a wholly owned subsidiary of JBS S.A. (B3:JBSS3), a Brazilian company that is the world’s largest processor of fresh beef and pork, with more than US$50 billion in annual sales as of 2017.
          Parent: JBS S.A.
          Headquarters: Greeley, Colorado, United States
          Industry: Food processing
          Revenue: US$27.8 billion (2017)

          JBS USA – Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › JBS_USA

          JBS, after promising to test every employee at it’s Greely, CO meat packing plant for Covid after a HUGE outbreak and deaths, reneged on this promise and forced it’s employees back to work. This has been one of the largest – if not THE largest – hot spot in Colorado. Responsible for community spread in Weld County, CO.

          Smithfield Farms and JBS are not even American companies despite their locations here.

  12. An excellent video presentation by Good Dr. Greger. Bravo!

    A few thoughts:

    (1) If you were to go to YouTube and search “How to Prevent the Next Pandemic,” you will find over 200 videos – at which point I stopped counting.

    Dating from one week ago to nine years ago.

    Many earnest and excellently explained.

    And what changes?

    You are welcome to believe that things will change this time – hey, it’s a free country.

    I would not bet the farm on it.

    (2) Each of these 200+ videos states it’s own view of pandemic causes, depending on the director’s beliefs.

    Some focus on pandemics being caused by Climate Change. Others point the finger at Deforestation. Others at Wild Animals.

    Others – other things. Including Factory Farming practices.

    I.e. – whatever their particular peeve might be.

    This dilutes and complicates interpretation of the basic message.

    If many different causes latch onto pandemic prevention – the task of prevention becomes that much more overwhelming.

    And people give up.

    (3) Note that Dr. Greger’s new book, scheduled to come out August 18, 2020, is titled “How to Survive a Pandemic” not “How to Prevent a Pandemic.” Why?

    Because no one is buying Pandemic Prevention.

    It doesn’t sell.

    Sure – one can and should include prevention in a book about Pandemic Survival. It is good to be complete. No harm done. But just talking about prevention – well, that’s like shouting in the midst of a deserted forest.

    Is there even a sound if there is no one there to listen?

    Or – if there is so much background noise that one cannot hear what is being said?

    (4) Still – it is good to get the message out. The more the better – until, little by little, it reaches the public consciousness.

    (5) Going plant-based whole foods for health reasons does tend to lead to social and ethical and political changes over time, unbidden.

    Originally surprising to me, I have almost come to expect it.

    A crusty older conservative, after watching his health issues clear, surprises you with a pro-ecology statement he would have derided as “tree-hugger” the year before.

    That sort of thing.

    Once you open people’s minds past their prior ways of thinking about health matters – once they learn to change – they apply this new tool to other things, as well.

    So – that gives me hope.

    Once you reduce or stop eating animals, the part of you that refused to see their suffering or the consequent ecological damage – decreases.

    And your actual thinking on these matters increases.

    (6) But the greatest hope on these issues I have is not from Dr. Greger – and certainly not from myself.

    It is from the power of raw naked economics.

    I borrow from the example of the nuclear issue.

    I have long advocated against the nuclear industry. A topic that I have reason to know very well.

    And I have watched my society walking, day-by-day, step-by-step farther into the nuclear abyss.

    And now – now the nuclear reactors are closing down.

    Not because of me – or of others like me.

    Our efforts were dust in the wind.

    Not because of health reasons.

    It is happening because of economics.

    Renewables are now far less expensive than nuclear.

    So nuclear is closing down.

    And that is what it took.

    When palatable plant-based meat “equivalents” are less expensive that eating animals – eating animals will go in conspicuous decline.

    The factory farmed meat industry – and its supporting structures – will go the way of the nuclear industry.

    Many the factory farmer will either go out of business – or focus on other crops.

    And the world have accomplished what generations of Physicians and others have failed to do.

    Get people to eat fewer animals and more plants.

    And the Pandemic risk will go down, as well.

    And me?

    well – I’ll be shaking’ my head and grinnin’ like an idiot.

    And takin’ a look at that abandoned farmhouse in the country . . .

    All the best –

    Vivamus

    1. Vivamus,

      So you are doing an “If Dr. Greger falls in the woods, does he make a sound, even if nobody is there to listen?”

      And you are saying, “I would not bet the farm on it.”

      Laughing.

      I have watched videos of his with certain expletives coming out of his mouth.

      But, in his book, he talked about the song:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc

      He gets knocked down, but he gets back up again, and your never going to keep him down.

      1. Deb,

        Which book?

        “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H5uWRjFsGc

        He gets knocked down, but he gets back up again, and your never going to keep him down.”

        Wouldn’t think of knocking the Good Doctor down.

        Once again – Dr. Greger references materials which I would not otherwise have stumbled across.

        And my life is richer for it.

        Thank you,

        Vivamus

    2. Vivamus, I tend to agree with you that change is best accomplished through economics rather than regulations and the iron fist of government, which only results in bribery and corruption.

      But in order for economics to work, one must have freedom of choice by the consumer. I encourage all to read John Adam’s writings on the “invisible hand of the free market system” written back in 1759! Let’s hope we have at least some free choice in how we earn and spend our earned wealth well into the future. It seems to be under attack recently!

      And just in case, let me know if you find that abandoned farmhouse in the country. I may end up being your neighbor ;-)

      1. “Let’s hope we have at least some free choice in how we earn and spend our earned wealth well into the future. It seems to be under attack recently!”

        I’m not worried.

        I have found the “invisible hand of the free market system” to be greatly over-rated.

        I have had wonderful times in capitalistic countries, including the U.S. – good people.

        I have had wonderful times in communist countries – good people.

        Differences:

        People in communist countries tend to understand propaganda for what it is. They tend to have a much more sophisticated world view.

        People in the U.S tend to actually believe the propaganda they have been fed from birth – unreservedly. Hook, line and sinker. They tend to have a much more provincial world view: “We’re number one!”

        People in communist countries tend to take care of others more.

        People in the U.S tend to focus on protecting their money from others.

        Just my impression. But I know of which I speak.

        Now – if I may make a request – in the words of a wise hostess from another land and another time – “No politics!”

        She was right.

        Politics tends to divide people.

        You should see what it does to Germans . . .

        Health and food – and drink and dance – on the other hand – tend to be areas that promote healing.

        I think that these are the best places to spend our time.

        Darwin Galt.

        To your health!

        Vivamus

        ————————–

        XLIX

        Think no more, lad; laugh, be jolly:
        Why should men make haste to die?
        Empty heads and tongues a-talking
        Make the rough road easy walking,
        And the feather pate of folly
        Bears the falling sky.

        Oh, ’tis jesting, dancing, drinking
        Spins the heavy world around.
        If young hearts were not so clever,
        Oh, they would be young for ever:
        Think no more; ’tis only thinking
        Lays lads underground.

        Housman
        A Shropshire Lad
        1896

        1. Vivamus, Just a quick response to your post:

          Agree that most average people in every country in the world are good people and want to live a happy life with their families and communities. It’s just human nature. It’s the minority of “Leaders” who want to impose their will on the average.

          Agree that people in the US are easily fooled by propaganda! The Universities have become the worst at spewing out anti-American propaganda and the young minds believe every word of it. The parents are out working so don’t pay attention to what their children are being taught. So now we have one or two generations of young people who hate America. But the obvious question they never answer is: If America is so bad, why is everyone in the world trying to come to America and become a citizen, even if they have to do it illegally?

          Disagree that communist countries take care of others more. Before their was an assault on churches in America, church goes took care of people in need. They did it voluntarily. Then the welfare state creeped in. Took money from working people through taxes and created a dependent class of dependable voters.

          And there is a very big difference between communist countries and capitalist countries with individual ownership of property. When individual people own something, they tend to value it and take care of it. Every instance I’ve seen of “common” ownership of an entity, the entity has quickly deteriorated. For a common simple example, we had a coffee making station at work that everyone in the office used to brew coffee for everyone (this is before Kurig K-cups which pollute the environment!). Everyone was supposed to “pitch in” and make coffee and keep the place clean. Needless to say, it quickly turned into a filthy germ-ridden mess. I gave up coffee and switched to tea with my own tea bags and a little hot-pot to heat the water.

          And finally, I disagree that we shouldn’t talk with each other about politics. The framers of the US Constitution knew that there will always be disagreements on things between people. So they were careful to provide a peaceful method to settle differences in political opinions through discourse. And they created the 3 branches of government to cover all aspects of resolving differences by peaceful discourse. As a result, the US Constitutional government has created the most successful country in the history of the world with the best standard of living for the largest number of people! And if we use the wisdom embodied in the Constitution, it will only get better and better!

          1. Vietnam – communist country – zero dead from coronavirus.

            It really is not complicated. The results speak for themselves. The government is competent These results tell us that their government cares about the lives of their people.

            United states – capitalist country – 140,000+ dead of Coronavirus.

            It really is not complicated. The results speak for themselves. The government is incompetent. These results tell us that this government cares about manipulating people into anger and victimhood in order to get re-elected. This government panders in

            “. . . Horror and scorn and hate and fear and indignation . . . ”

            Housman

            And many swallow the propaganda – hook, line and sinker.

            All one needs to do to demonstrate U.S superiority is look at the results:

            U.S. – 5% of the earth’s population – 25% of the earth’s coronavirus dead.

            “We’re number 1!”

            We deal with our problems by lying and by nursing grievances and by blaming others – distracting with smoke and mirrors – while accusing critics of such tactics of “hating America.”

            The Vietnamese deal with their problems by solving them.

            I think it best to take the best from wherever we find it.

            And not deny our own flaws.

            And that is not hating America.

            Au contraire.

            All the best –

            Vivamus

            ————————–

            . . . My mind, because the minds that I have loved,
            The sort of beauty that I have approved,
            Prosper but little, has dried up of late,
            Yet knows that to be choked with hate
            May well be of all evil chances chief.
            If there’s no hatred in a mind
            Assault and battery of the wind
            Can never tear the linnet from the leaf . . .

            William Butler Yeats
            A Prayer for My Daughter
            1919

            1. Viv, One can get a lot of things done quickly and efficiently in a dictatorship! Sorry, not for me, I’m older and wiser now :-)

              1. Darwin Galt,

                Yup. Sure can!

                Sticks and stones . . .

                I always look at results – I have no interest in ideology or in diversions or in excuses or in polemics.

                Polemics in this case are just used to defend failed ideologies and failed policies.

                As to the famously coercive aspects of single party rule:

                The United States has ~4.4% of the world’s population – with ~22% of the world’ imprisoned population.

                Not exactly the bastion of freedom that it pretends to be.

                Were you to click “Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population” on the chart, below, once or twice, the chart will rearrange itself by country in order of incarceration rate. You will note that, in regards to the U.S., “We’re number 1!” in the entire world in imprisoning our own people:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

                United States: 655 incarcerated per 100,000 population

                Vietnam: 128 incarcerated per 100,000 population

                It’s a lot scarier to live in the United States than it is to live in a communist country.

                As you can see – the Vietnamese government is actually much less coercive toward their population than the United States government is toward theirs.

                I believe that Vietnam has a much lower crime rate, as well – though I do not have those statistics at my disposal at the moment.

                I do know – subjectively – I have always felt just fine while in communist countries.

                Even getting along well with the police. I have stories . . . they may think I am not very bright, but that’s OK – they always kinda dusted me off and let me go on my way.

                I have felt safer, in thinking back on it, in communist countries than I have in parts of U.S. cities or in parts of Paris.

                I have been in churches with priests in communist countries – with feisty priests independent of the government in at least one communist country – a friend’s wedding comes to mind – a very happy occasion for all involved. And a wonderful reception, afterward. Wow!

                The girls were pretty neat.

                ——————————————-

                I have found myself up to my elbows in medical systems in communist lands – working just fine, to my surprise.

                I am aware of cardiac valve replacement on a person whom I know. Pretty sophisticated stuff. All went well.

                Nice lady, actually.

                She was not charged.

                And they got me in quickly and treated me appropriately for a walking pneumonia once. Hey, I was in a foreign land. – only a fool treats himself.

                All it is is Medicare for All.

                Works fine. No complaints.

                Previously I had believed the U.S. propaganda about the evils of “socialized medicine.”

                I really, really believed it.

                When I experienced for myself, however, and it went as well or better than anything I had experienced in the U.S., well – I had to face reality.

                You should try it sometime.

                I think that everyone who is strongly ideological should consider facing reality occasionally. It is a little difficult at first – but then it can be very liberating.

                Good for the digestion.

                A tonic for the soul.

                ———————————

                Older and wiser should never be an excuse for rigidity.

                I know a man who changed his diet in his 70s. BIG change in orientation.

                He is now 98. Still living independently. Still driving.

                Can no longer go to the gym because of this damned coronavirus!

                He doesn’t want to die. He wants to live.

                I have had the honor of coaching him along the way.

                Often just by setting an example. Other times, answering his questions.

                Flexibility – flexibility is a good thing that we should not discard with aging.

                Tempting as that may be.

                Flexibility keeps people alive.

                ———————————

                All.

                All the best,

                Vivamus

                ——————————

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/04/30/does-the-united-states-really-have-five-percent-of-worlds-population-and-one-quarter-of-the-worlds-prisoners/

                https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-imprisoners-dilemma/

                https://www.prisonpolicy.org/reports/pie2020.html

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate

                1. Viv, it looks like you’ve been to a lot of different countries, as have I. Just curious … have you been to Cuba or Venezuela lately?

      2. That was Adam Smith not John Adams. Admittedly, he wasn’t American but let’s give credit where credit is due.

        1. Fumbles, Yes, you are right … for some reason, I had John Adams on my mind the moment I wrote that. Thanks for the correction.

  13. The 1918 pandemic did very well without the current mass technology for meat production. Of course World War I helped to develop the pandemic.

    1. Vivamus,

      Change for the better is good news.

      On the good news end for the current situation, the numbers in the USA have changed for the better over the past 2 days. Deaths for several days had been over 1000 per day but it dropped to less than 500 deaths in the USA 2 days in a row.

      The convalescent plasma is such good news.

      It is still better to not get it and the financial cost in the USA if you are hospitalized at all is so great that I am not letting up on social distancing, but the pumping the brakes on the opening and closing of society and the mask mandates and more concept of how to treat it are all working together and I am so happy that these measures are working so well.

      Hooray for masks!

      Police have had to break up parties of 700 young people and though I have had deep compassion for the Black Lives Matter movement, the police are in such an impossible situation and so many police officers are retiring. We are thousands of the most experienced police officers and every day I see more leaving it as a career. They used to stay in 25 years, but now they all want to retire at 20 and, a few years ago, I had someone who hires police officers say that after a year of trying he hadn’t found any qualified applicants and that he has to hire the retired officers back but now they are leaving. God help us all.

  14. Deb,

    Careful.

    From what I am hearing – as the mortality is decreasing, the morbidity is increasing.

    It sounds good on paper – but it is all something of a wash.

    The “recovered rate” is largely a myth. Completely misleading. I.e. – close to being a bald-faced lie.

    Check out how it is determined – you will see what I mean.

    Many ICU patients are not recovering.

    The ICU patients who would earlier have died are now, with treatment, being discharged alive to nursing homes.

    Is that really an improvement?

    Is that where you want to be?

    If you can explore morbidity – instead of just mortality statistics – I think you will get a much truer picture of the situation.

    Is there any way you can do that?

    ———————————————-

    “The convalescent plasma is such good news.”

    I know that that is what you are hearing from the newspapers – but that is not what I am hearing from the ICU.

    Maybe this will change – one way or another.

    ———————————————-

    “I have had deep compassion for the Black Lives Matter movement, the police are in such an impossible situation and so many police officers are retiring. We are thousands of the most experienced police officers and every day I see more leaving it as a career. They used to stay in 25 years, but now they all want to retire at 20 and, a few years ago, I had someone who hires police officers say that after a year of trying he hadn’t found any qualified applicants and that he has to hire the retired officers back but now they are leaving. God help us all.”

    The police are now in an impossible situation.

    I am very sympathetic to their plight.

    African Americans have been in an impossible situation for hundreds of years.

    I have never previously been sympathetic to their plight. Blaming them for their situation.

    Butcha know – over the past few years – in no particular order – the Michael Brown Jr. shooting and the subsequent DOJ investigation of the Ferguson Police Department – the death of Eric Garner – the killing of Philando Castile – the killing of Alton Sterling – the killing of Walter Scott – the death of Freddie Grey in custody – most of which led to police acquittals for any wrongdoing – yet successful million dollar lawsuit settlements against their departments – which did not seem to make any sense if there had truly been no actual wrongdoing – my eyes begin to open a little bit with each incident.

    And then the George Floyd incident. Eyes are now open wide.

    Different cities, different states, different times, diferent policemen, different victims – same stuff.

    And I began to accept that this is not just a few bad apples. It appears to be systemic.

    And I begin to think that the police may have brought this all this scrutiny and criticism upon themselves.

    And it has probably been happening all along – and I never recognized it. I never believed.

    Only now we have the videos.

    That changes everything.

    My solution?

    Nothing immediate.

    I just hope for real progress – relatively rapidly.

    No more of this slow plodding stuff.

    It looks like mandatory police body cameras at all encounters with the public and every person video recording every police incident they witness will help keep everybody on the up-and-up.

    Retraining police apparently does not work.

    In time – out with the old, in with the new.

    But you have to get new from somewhere.

    We’ll see.

    Deb.

    Interesting era we are in.

    All the best –

    Vivamus

    1. Vivamus,

      They never paid for police retraining. They never came up with how to manage crowds or what to do when people run or resist arrest.

      They never trained people to diffuse emotions, more like hostage negotiators and they aren’t hiring psychologists.

      Some states send psychologists as a first wave instead of police because psychologists generally talk people through things.

      A good public speaker talking to the crowds would be a good concept sometimes.

      They just are not creative enough in leadership and they train people to do exactly what they do and that is why the police don’t feel protected because they will get arrested for doing what they are told to do.

      They need new concepts, but that isn’t what is getting funded. The cops are getting de-funded and will be sued or arrested even if they do things the way they were trained, but the leadership has been crying out for funding to train police officers how to do things safer. That is what never happened.

      Honestly, the police are doing exactly what they were trained to do, for the most part. But the people who are supposed to figure out what to do when those methods are causing problems are the people who are missing.

      But the people they are losing are the best of the best with the most experience.

      That scares me.

      Also, I spoke too soon.

      There must have been a delay in reporting the COVID deaths. The deaths are already over 1000 again today.

      1. Bev,

        Thank you for the Police insights.

        Most interesting.

        Question – don’t these guys get some sort of training in these matters at the Police Academy?

        Isn’t conflict de-escalation and group control kinda basic to the job?

        Police Training 101?

        I woulda thought so.

        ——————————

        “But the people they are losing are the best of the best with the most experience.”

        Same situation in the ICUs right now.

        The kids are runnin’ the show.

        Scary there, too.

        —————————————–

        <>

        Thank you for the update.

        That makes more sense to me.

        That is on top of treatment reducing death rates.

        Think about it.

        Bev. It has been an interesting day.

        What – me worry?

        “Alfred E.” Vivamus

    2. Vivamus,

      Police die at a higher percentage than Black people in the USA. White people die at a higher total number than everybody.

      What to do when people resist arrest and what to do when cops are afraid and people are on drugs and everybody has guns and police cars and buildings are being set on fire and black on black deaths are higher than police officers killing blacks, but emotionally, the black community cannot trust the police officers and the police officers fear for their lives every single day. Rightfully. And vice versa.

      It is like trying to treat people for cancer and I don’t blame the black community for not wanting the police version of chemo and it just is so complicated.

      I have so many relatives who have been police officers, but in towns without a lot of violent crime, it is different. They don’t have the same type of stress, but it still was nearly impossible to get qualified people to become police officers and I live in a town with a very rich town and a very poor borough to that town. I am on the poor side of the tracks, but there was a lot of money to become an officer that year. People don’t want the job.

      1. “What to do when people resist arrest and what to do when cops are afraid and people are on drugs and everybody has guns and police cars and buildings are being set on fire and black on black deaths are higher than police officers killing blacks, but emotionally, the black community cannot trust the police officers and the police officers fear for their lives every single day. Rightfully. And vice versa.”

        Waddya do? You start by decriminalizing drugs. While simultaneously providing free drug treatment for those who need it.

        I.e. – treat drug abuse as a medical condition affecting all of society – because it is – not as a criminal activity from an individual.

        Lotsa other nations have done this. It works.

        No need to reinvent the wheel. Just do as other nations have done. All the blueprints for action are already in place.

        That alone should knock out ~40% of our prison population. And all the concomitant policing.

        Pretty simple.

        We have now begun this process with marijuana – which in some states has involved freeing people from prison who were convicted under prior anti-marijuana laws.

        Note that the sky has not fallen.

        It hasn’t even rippled.

        I don’t think anyone has even noticed.

        Have you?

        Now it is time to work on all the other drugs.

        Sure – this would be stepping on the toes of organized crime and impromptu crime – they would lose their criminal drug profits – and their coalition with the alcohol lobby and the religious fanatics – God knows why – along with the American for-profit prison system – another sad anomaly – and the courtroom personnel and probation officers and policemen unions – many of whom would find themselves out of work.

        But it would, by far, be the best thing for society.

        Next – hey, we’re not finished, yet – next rebuild the mental hospital system.

        When the major anti-psychotic tranquilizers arrived on the scene, we emptied out the mental hospitals on the basis that all these ailments could now be treated on an outpatient basis. We then did not bother to provide the necessary outpatient treatment.

        Leaving a lot of these patients out in the cold.

        But these patients cannot all be successfully treated thus. It can be very difficult for a psychotic individual to have the awareness that he is psychotic and needs to take his medication. So – these wretched souls often find their way into the criminal justice system – where they do not belong – with inadequate or no treatment while they are in jail.

        Jails are not mental hospitals. They do not have the physical plant and they do not have the staffing. Plus – and here is a relatively subtle point, but bear with me – if you are “regaining your sanity” within an insane situation, you become convinced that you are crazy – because the situation you are in is crazy. So you are going – what’s crazy, the situation or me? You are tryig to stand up straight on a balance board. You run the risk of becoming kinda discombobulated. To deal with this, you need peer group counselling. But the jail has no physical plant or staff for such luxuries – that is mental hospital work.

        Jails are serving the role of mental hospitals – deplorably. We simply need to change back – to a reduced degree – to the prior model. Which worked.

        With abuses – forced ECT and lobotomies and all the rest. I know.

        We need to do everything we can to precent those abuses from happening again.

        While markedly increasing outpatient treatment, as well.

        Next – hey, not finished , yet – do what just about every other nation on earth has done. Restrict / criminalize most gun ownership.

        Confiscate and/or buy them back and melt them down.

        This would require a constitutional amendment.

        That is what the third step would take. Nothing less.

        I’d vote for it.

        If that is not achievable – hey, steps one and two are still a good start.

        It would also help to remove the liability shield that gun manufacturers bought for themselves from Congress.

        The manufacturers would likely be sued into bankruptcy in short order.

        Not much use you might say – after all, there are said to be over 300,000,000 guns in the U.S today. Killing new manufacture would not make those guns go away.

        But at least that would reduce the influence of the gun manufacturers’ money for the gun lobby so that politicians might be able to develop a little more of a backbone on these issues.

        Now – ask a hard question . . .

        You know . . . favorite color, time of day . . . something that is an actual challenge to answer.

        Bev.

        All the best –

        Vivamus

        1. Bev.

          Time of day would be the hardest question I could imagine asking anybody.

          Before we know that there are words. Out we come, bloodied and squalling, with the knowledge that for all the points of the compass, there’s only one direction. And time is its only measure

          Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead

          Let us not waste our time in idle discourse! Let us do something, while we have the chance….at this place, at this moment of time, all mankind is us, whether we like it or not. Let us make the most of it before it is too late! Let us represent worthily for once the foul brood to which a cruel fate consigned us! What do you say?

          Waiting for Godot

          So, I have found the county that I am following for understanding children and COVID.

          Brexar County 1 out of 10 COVID cases is young children under age 14. I think they said under 14.

          Two children within that range died recently but with that many cases, I will probably learn more watching them than other places.

  15. The animated Dr. Greger needs a sparkle in his eye and a little bit of a smile when he says a line like that.

    I like it as a concept, but the animated Dr. Greger needs to show the personality of the real Dr. Greger to work.

    It worked seriously well last time, but don’t let the character go flat, but the humor in the animation matched the humor of Dr. Greger.

    Last time, the visual humor bested the humor of the writing for that scene.

    This one, I liked the open mouth, and the color tie, but, he always needs a personality.

    Don’t let the character be boring.

    Part of it is that there isn’t a background, and the lines are simple, so it almost becomes a long pause.

    I contrast that to last time you did the character and it was never boring in that one.

    Colors moved, the character blinked at the proper times. Shapes and backgrounds had so much detail and geometry.

    My feedback is that if you can’t get the personality right, then save the character for situations like last time when we are going into Dr. Greger’s house symbolically.

    If you can get the personality right, then using it for the punch-line is fine.

    You just need someone who really will give honest feedback for whether you nailed it or not.

    It is harder to analyze it when you are close to it.

    1. The character has the wrong emotion for the punch line. It needs to be more playful if you are doing it for the punch lines. We need to smile and that means the character needs to smile and I am not sure if the artist is comfortable with illustrating emotions yet.

      She is excellent at setting scenes and excellent with color and excellent with geometry.

      Play to her strengths.

  16. Aug 2, 2020

    Dear Dr. Michael Greger and the NutritionFacts Team,

    My questions are :
    Were the other pandemics of SARS, MERS, swine and bird flu also transmitted by asymptomatic people or is it just covid-19 ?
    Were the other pandemics of SARS, MERS, swine and bird flu also attacking various parts of the body giving strokes, heart attacks, MSIS, hallucinations or is it just covid-19 ?
    I am writing a book called Warning for the World, the Miracle of the Optimal Vegan Diet and Vegans Suppressed by the Bacteriological War of Covid-19 Waged by false democracies. I saw several death threats against you, Dr. Michael Greger via doubles of you that I was shown at strategic times. In case you agree to give me your answers, can I publish them and cite your name ?
    Thank you so much,
    Kind regards,
    T. Diane Nguyen

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